Nootropics

Noots general Post stacks, post research, rant about what works / what doesn't work / why people who use noots are idiots

>>2 This guy has some of the best rational discussion about noots: https://www.gwern.net/Nootropics As far as scientifically tracking and testing the effects of drugs on yourself, this is the best example I can point to.

>>2 (you) Daily stacks: >~30 mins before I wake up, and ~2 hours before breakfast: >400mg l-theanine >200mg caffeine >36mg Concerta (long-release methylphenidate) >in the evening: >400mg l-theanine >200mg caffeine >5mg Ritalin >~30 mins before sleep: >200mg l-theanine >1.5mg melatonin Some support: >l-theanine & caffeine: https://doi.org/10.1080/1028415X.2016.1144845 https://doi.org/10.1007/s00213-015-3895-0 >melatonin There's a host of articles on pubmed about the effects of melatonin on sleep, with varying results. It definitely makes me fall asleep more quickly. I feel better in the morning, probably because I get better sleep. The methylphenidate is just to get me good and stimulated. I use fluoromodafinil and sunifiram to stimulate myself further, but those are research compounds with no official human testing, and I don't recommend them or use them regularly. I've also used piracetam and oxiracetam. Both are as good as the research behind them is valid, but oxiracetam gives me a noticable buzz.

>>5 >uppers galore that seems like a lovely stack for productivity, though not necessarily for what you may have intended Present Day, Present Time! AHAHAHAHAHA! >i was going to code all day but instead i created a system where my books are organized by genre, then author, while simultaneously being holistically color coded i'm curious: do you take the medications to offset AD(H)D, or purely for their nootropic qualities? my stack varies by my day's needs. generally, my stack has been great in its own right, but i'm working my way through some fairly heavy depression, and the resultant behaviors often negate the benefits: -a non-existent sleep cycle/frequent all-nighters -fairly heavy regular alcohol consumption. -generally poor diet; i eat healthy but am very good at not eating -tricyclic antidepressant that said, here's the dailies and their general doses: 700 mgs N-Acetyl Tyrosine 1000mgs Acetyl-L-Carnitine 200-500mgs Phenylpiracetam Spring Valley "Super B Complex" vitamin 2 - 6 cups of strong coffee throughout day with L-theanine Plenty of water (the most based nootropic) In addition, I take 300 - 600mgs of Adrafinal when low on sleep, really need to focus, or need to focus fast. Would highly recommend to anyone looking for a Modafinal replacement, it works extremely well for alleviating sleep deprivation, as well as providing energy and focus. I also use Phenibut in social situations, from 500 - 1500mgs+. I don't take it regularly and make sure that I don't use it more than a few days, at reasonable doses, at most. As a person who often feels social anxiety, it's a lifesaver. Occasionally, noopept and [vinpocetine[/b] are used, particularly when I'm writing, since it helps combat my tendency to ramble. both of these have been invaluable during my periods as a freelance writer.

Do these drugs really work? I did a quick Google search and "smart" drugs sound too good to be true. Is it essentially stimulants?

>>7 their branding as smart drugs is really misleading. they're definitely not going to make you any smarter, a la limitless or understand. a stack's general purpose is to support brain function, rather than increasing it. to generalize, most of them help by making it easier to focus, providing energy (as yes, some of them can be quite stimulating), increasing concentration, enhancing memory recall, etc - in other words, whatever their method of action is, they generally assist some cognitive function, wherein their benefit lies. but again, there's a whole ton of them, and they each have different effects and usecases. phenibut, for example, affects gaba receptors, which generally has anxiolytic effects, so it's very helpful for treating social anxiety (and can be like being pleasantly drunk at high doses.) l-theanine is commonly combined with caffeine because it potentiates it, and reduces effects like the jitters (and alternatively can be used to relax, funnily enough). all the -finals are wakefulness drugs that can be very stimulating if awake, or negate sleep deprivation. i'd figure out what you're looking for in terms of effects, then try for yourself. ymmv.

>>6 >though not necessarily for what you may have intended As long as I outline my goals for the day or next few hours, I usually accomplish them. Though if I'm not careful that does sometimes happen lol, one day I planned on getting a bunch of math work done and instead wrote a website or some soykaf >i'm curious: do you take the medications to offset AD(H)D, or purely for their nootropic qualities? It's a bit of both. I have ADHD, but I respond very strangely to MPH for someone with that disorder. Most people with ADHD claim that MPH paradoxically makes them tired / calm. For me, it does help with the attention problems, and helps me sit still, but other than that I get all the euphoria and energy a baseline person would. And I love that buzz, without fail I can usually get loads of soykaf done in the morning. Also, I should add I do drink fuarrrk tons of water to compensate for all the stims. Anything else is asking for an early death. >phenibut This stuff seems really useful since I too have occasional awful social anxiety. The only thing stopping me from buying some to try out was money constraints, I decided the modafinil analog was more useful. I'll probably try it out once I start going for job interviews next year >>7 >Do these drugs really work? IDK, do they? Drugs have both subjective and objective effects. The former you can determine yourself (this makes me feel high/productive/relaxed) and the latter come from research, for example the memory improvements piracetam supposedly gives. For the latter, you cannot be 100% certain that the drug is affecting you the way it affected the research groups. But for well-tested drugs, like l-theanine or melatonin, you can be close to 100% certain that it helps you in 1 or 2 ways. Like >>8 said "smart drug" is misleading, and ymmv. I say do your research, and decided for yourself how much of a risk you want to take. If you absolutely value your wellbeing stick with caffeine and the most harmless noots.

>>3 Cafeine + ltheanine got me curious Can i replace caffeine pills with lots of coffee? a quick google search tells me it's basically the same , any advice ? Also is there any recomended brand for ltheanine , it looks like i can get 30 pills for 10usd of "puritans pride premium" (i know it's a ripoff compared with the prices on amazon, caffeine pills prices are even worst)

>>27 >Can i replace caffeine pills with lots of coffee? Yes. iirc 1 cup ~= 100-200mg caffeine, so you don't need lots Just so you know there are cheap bulk theanine suppliers, i.e. Bulk Supplements sells 250g bags for about 25 USD. The powder doesn't have a strong taste; I just wash it down with some water. I also found 500 x 200mg caffeine pills for about the same price a while back, dunno if that's still around

>>31 Thanks, i guess i'll go with coffee and theanine pills for now, i found some suppliers over here selling bags like you say, but i'm short on money. i'll see how it works for now. On a totally unrelated note, the guy selling me the theanine pills was this spanish hippy guy with a pony tail and such, made my day.

>>47 this is super interesting, thanks for sharing. unfortunately, it doesn't really list many of the substances that people think of as nootropic. do you happen to have any other similar documents?

Water. Drink lots of water. That really helps.

>>124 This. In fact, I probably should have added in my stacks post that I do drink loads of water But that's mainly because I'd otherwise die of dehydration, with the amount of stims I take daily.

Look at here, there's some related information on this thread and other archived thread inside (fix the links... this fuarrrking imageboard engine don't let me post proper links): endchan. xyz/ pol/res/ 42239.html#47703

>>5 Alright, I'm actually considering to try Ritalin, can you give us your experience with it? Did you get the stuff with prescription?

>>568 I'm >>5 . I've taken Concerta since I was a child for ADHD. I started using Ritalin 5mg in college. At the doses I listed, the stim gives me a nice focus boost. Distractions are less meaningful and it cuts away at some sleep deprivation. There's a bit of euphoria as well. For me, the benefits only scale with the dose up to about 72mg Concerta and 15-20 mg Ritalin. At 108mg Concerta, I get greater euphoria but it's not better than 72mg for working. This depends on your body chemistry and weight, but I don't recommend ever exceeding 108mg Concerta or repeating doses of it to stay awake. I had some bad experiences each time I tried the latter: panic attacks, going completely numb, racing heart, and fuarrrked up motor control. As for tolerance, ime 1-2 weeks of abstinence is enough to reset it if you're using it the way I do. Tolerance takes several months to build in my system. Also, please watch your heart rate when using it, if your heart rate raises when using the stuff, and you use it frequently, it'll fuarrrk up your heart. It seems that a good number of people have died from Concerta this way.

>>568 >>569 And yes, I have prescriptions for the Ritalin and Concerta I can't give advice about getting a prescription, since I've had the necessary papers since I was 7. You have to prove to your doc that you have ADHD or narcolepsy, or otherwise convince him to sign something to you.

What noots are best for memory?

>>610 During the week daily cocktail consists of 1000mg lions mane + 100mg wakalert in the morning, 7mg noopept and 2 neurodrives. For weekend stack, tend to take a lighter load and consume near to 6-8 black covfefes, 400mg of 5-htp and sometimes a few alcars.

My current stack >Coffee (caffeine on its own is detrimental to health whereas other alkaloids in coffee mitigate those effects and help boost BDNF as well) >150mg L-theanine >200mg Alpha GPC >15mg Noopept Intranasally >1.5g Bacopa Monnieri >150mg Ginko Biloba

>>679 any sources on the coffee note? I'm asking because I find caffeine caps much more convenient than dirt water

>>684 I got mine from the pharmacy. Also I do not think that >>679 is right about caffeine being bad for your health. Seems like one of those "research is inconclusive" topics.

I'm gonna try to start getting into this stuff. I tend to have a hard time staying out of bed during the day, and focusing. Any suggestions or links to resources? I take lexapro and modafinal currently. Any interactions that I should be concerned about?

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>>688 medicine don't work the individual >>687 >I tend to have a hard time staying out of bed during the day, and focusing. It can be many things, but the main causes for this is nutrition, bad sleep and low norepinephrine. The first you can fix yourself. Bad sleep can be fixed by molatonin supplementation (only if you don't have a deeper biological problem). The norepinephrine issue fix with drugs like modafinil. >lexapro and modafinil No interaction that I'm aware. Lexapro can have some nasty side-effects, though, as with any SSRI's. My main concern with this class of drugs is on low LTP (Long Term Potentiation), a process that maintain your memories.

Currently exploring Bacopa Monierri, used it for about a month and it really seems to help with excitability and anxiety. For productivity I've enjoyed L-theanine and low doses of ashwagandha, they really seem to help with school stress. Still looking to properly try alhpa-gpc (the effects from incidental use seem nice, but I'm not sure about the long term yet)

>>707 What doses of l-theanine do you take? It's normally 400mg for me, or double whatever caffeine I'm taking. The anxiolytic effect does wonders for my productivity, caffeine would be nearly useless to me otherwise.

I've been using coluracetam over the past few days. 10mg sublingually instantly clears my head and calms me down. 20mg is stimulating, and keeps me wide awake, but seems to really fuarrrk my concentration and makes me a bit anxious (more than MPH does). Apparent effects last 3-4 hours for me, but may be extended with more coluracetam or oxiracetam. As for the supposed "HD vision" effect that's lauded on Longecity, I don't notice a marked improvement in my vision. However, visual details pop out at me more, as though someone turned up the contrast a bit on my visual feed. Today, when I combined it with oxiracetam before a lecture, a strange synesthesia-like thing occured. Small blotches of color would appear and move around in my peripheral, but only when the prof was speaking. It was very mild and not psychedelic, but it was interesting. No other noot has had that side effect for me. The only negative effect so far is headache. This is probably because I'm not getting enough choline, so I guess I'll eat more eggs. I haven't noticed any tolerance yet, but I'm expecting some as many people have reported a tolerance after several days of use. In all, I think the noot will be most useful for lectures and reviewing my notes.

>>679 I highly DONT recommend noopept

>>698 >(((medicine))) FTFY. That one kid from Cereal Excrements Lane caught schizophrenia, shot up a nightclub and anhero'd himself after smoking a drugs. Nootropics are completely ineffective; they're incredibly dangerous.

alpha brain- anyone got any experience?

nzt48? qualia? does it work, or is it just a meme?

Where do I purchase them? I feel like starting a stack, but i dont know what's trustworthy.

>>963 My experience over a year ago may not have given me the full potential of Alpha Brain considering I only had three to four hours of sleep per night due to a job. In spite of not having a healthy diet and sleep deprivation, when I did take it, a lot of brain fog did lift and I had a mental clarity for several hours, until the effects faded. I don't use it anymore since I take a combinations of other supplements, like Bullet Proof Brain Octane Oil, as well as getting eight to seven hours of sleep per night and having a better diet. I think if I were to take Alpha Brain again with my current diet, I'd be overstimulated with all the other supplements I'm taking.

>>970 Newmind has been reliable for me, and supports bitcoin. If you're looking for piracetam I think Nootropics Depot is cheaper, but Newmind has a wider variety of stuff

>>986 >>963 I'm always a little skeptical of pre-made stacks like that... I can find evidence that piracetam will improve your long-term memory some, and I can find evidence that theanine + caffeine work well together. But those combo powders seem more like, "let's throw a load of soykaf in and see what works." Maybe I'm mistaken.

>>988 >"let's throw a load of soykaf in and see what works." That's kind of what I'm doing right now, and I need to start tailoring and researching more or else I'd be spending too much money on supplements and noots.

>>988 You're not mistaken. There is no one-size-fits-all stack. Everyone needs to tailor to their own chemistry.

Is Mate really as good as it's made out to be? People make it like coffee without jitters and gives clear focus instead of hyper activity

>>1049 it is definitely better than coffee imo, but not by much. I think there is a lot more l-theanine in it, similar to green tea but stronger. personally I usually just drink instant coffee and take 200mg of l-theanine. drinking mate out of a gourd with a bombia and sharing with friends in the mountains is pretty nice tho

Noots for focus and memory?

>>1186 Focus: *modafinil Memory: *racetams I use flmodafinil & coluracetam, piracetam

I don't have anything constructive to add to the conversation, but I was wondering if any lains have mixed Modafinil with Phenibut together? I've tried both of these substances individually, but wonder if they have any synergistic effect when taken together?

at my best ginko bilboa with ginseng at breakfast green tea in the afternoon /evening meals usually contain insane levels of tumeric and ginger and are simple protiens like rice and beans b-complex with milk before bed (lucid dream starter) at my worst 0.1g thc hemp plant material / day required at minimum used to smoke filterless cigarettes so that's not off the table caffeine/taurine thing or a cold brew coffee needed & also at least 6 solid hours behind a terminal eep always remember to deep breathe, lainon. from your dan'tien. and don't be afraid to qi-gong your liver if you catch yourself getting too angry.

Been there, tried that, tried a bunch. Caffeine is still best from my experience. For oxyracetam, if it works, its actually give you a lot of focus, nice that it is water soluble. Still trying noopept though, I know it works, havent figured out how well or how yet. >>1049 Its just healthier tea with a high caffeine content. I enjoy it a lot though. >>1189 When I generally stopped using racetams flmodafinil & coluracetam just came out. What is your take on them?

>>1227 Flmodafinil has much the same effect as modafinil, but is ~ twice as potent and isn't regulated. It's effective at keeping me alert and awake in a way that methylphenidate doesn't, and it gives me less anxiety than caffeine. But it doesn't help me focus as well as MPH does, and it makes my blood pressure ramp up if I use it continually. I couldn't seem to remedy this with theanine. Since it's much more potent than modafinil, I would be careful with initial doses. Coluracetam was interesting... I think that the long-term memory potentiation benefits are as valid as the research supporting them (so, I can't assume it works for that). But coluracetam had other strange side effects; I would get mild synesthesia, like seeing blips and colors pop in and out of my vision while hearing my professor speak during a lecture. Often my head would feel really clear, and it would be easier to focus, though I wasn't driven. Those effects would last about 3 hours. Coluracetam has a tolerance; use only 1-2 times a week to avoid that. Without tolerance, going above 20mg won't scale up the effects at all. After two weeks of continual use, it would take 30-40mg to attain those effects.

>>962 you make me laugh

I'm new to nootropics and experimenting with theanine and caffeine. Trying those in particular because I consume a lot of tea daily, I practically take small doses already. I'm quick to get anxious, so caffeine and other stimulants are hard for me to handle. However, the theanine does an amazing job of dulling that effect in caffeine. The issue is that I come down from the theanine a good hour before the caffeine, which spoils my focused state. Should I take a higher dose of theanine, or maybe take a bit more one hour in?

>>1250 Maybe trying taking a somewhat smaller dose, like 1.5:1 theanine to caffeine, then taking another dose of theanine two hours later? I just take a single dose of theanine to smooth the uptake with each dose of caffeine

>>1254 That seems like a good idea, I'll have to find 50mg theanine pills.

>>1255 personally i've found 200mg-300mg of l-theanine to be the perfect dose for 100mg of caffeine. a lot of people recommend 2:1 ratio or less, but for me more is definitely better. just keep redosing if it wears off early. also, buying pills gets expensive. I just bought 500g of powder on the internet and gelcaps. I dont even weigh it anymore, i just fill up a pill ~2/3 of the way because I am too lazy to use a scale

>>1256 This guy is right, just buy powder on Amazon/elsewhere and buy empty caps if you don't like the taste. For me ~250g was like 25 USD.

what's good for awful adhd? I am very new to noots

Been prescribed Atomoxetine (Generic Strattera) for some time for my ADHD-PI/ADD and have found it to be the only thing that actually works for me. The only downside is that if I don't continually take it the therapeutic effects will wear off and my tolerance to the drug will be essentially gone. Because of this, I have to take it daily. I am also interested in illicit drugs, most notably weed. Would smoking marijuana after taking Atomoxetine harm me in any way? I don't want to just risk it and possibly fuarrrk myself up somehow.

Don't see anyone mentioning supplementing creatine. Its effects on brain performance are supported by multiple studies. Though the effects are most pronounced in vegetarians and it's not clear whether supplementing will help someone who is already getting creatine in their diet from meat.

So I've added Alpha GPC to my noob stack, which is just caffeine and theanine at the moment. I'm quite liable to anxiety, and Alpha GPC seems to be quite stimulating, so I'll have to save that for when I really need it. Anybody else feel overstimulated from it?

Started with 200mg caffiene with 400mg of l-theanine 2x per day. once at 7am once at 11am. My productivity has been insane.

>>961 Why?

For the people who have been using stacks for a while, any updates? Have you all modified your stacks with any interesting new supplements?

I wish i could take modafinil without it making my insomnia worse

I'm new to nootropics I took today for the first time 30 mg of noopept and 350 mg of NALT The only reaction that I've noticed is that my stress triggers don't get me stressed when I think of them

>>1693 I'm OP. I haven't been using coluracetam or modafinil because I'm fuarrrking broke. I'm now cycling my use of piracetam on and off every two weeks to reduce anxiety. When I combine it with caffeine and use the combo indefinitelyg it seems to make my stress worse long term

Has anyone tried CBD or hemp oils? Noticed any benefits from them?

>>1747 Don't think so. They sell those at my local supplement store and that basically means they don't do soykaf. It's probably just some hipster trend that monetizes of the term (((cannabis))).

>>1748 What's with the (((parantheses)))

>>1751 Some stupid Polack meme that means thatj ews are behind it.

>>1752 Ironically enough I'm polish and a part jewish. I meant it more as an echo thing though

anyone else microdose LSD? I don't necessarily use it for nootropic effects, but I find it potentiates coffee massively and makes it really easy to focus. Effects by themselves are very subtle and possibly some placebo, but so are most nootropics anyway. Currently on 10 ug every 3 days but thinking of going up to 15 ug.

>>1766 Yes i've tried. Ive tripped so much even 10-30 mg results in patterning, as sometimes I see patterning even when not tripping. However this would actually be fun and entertaining. The main issue is it starts off very good but dies down into a frustration about what to do with myself. It's common for this to happen to me on acid, where I get in a thought loop and just have no idea what to do and end up doing much of nothing. However it's so subtle with microdosing I can't catch it. It also makes it harder to focus, which makes sense. Naturally on acid it's impossible for me to do things I don't want to do. I simply don't care and will say nah and do whatever I want. On full doses its so evident that often times I won't extend basic social courtesies like if my friends are in a rush I will make no effort to gather my stuff quickly cause I don't feel like it. However on microdosing it just means if I have work to do and would rather draw I will just draw. Or get in one of the abovementioned frustrations and keep trying to work losing interest drawing back and forth back and forth. The only thing that actually helps me work is stims. Even cocaine, which people say doesn't help them focus. I lack interest in most things that i'm supposed to do. Stims say "Wait no those things are really interesting". Acid says "Hey man if you don't like it who fuarrrking cares".

>>1769 I too sometimes see patterning completely sober, usually when I'm very tired. I think it's pretty common, no biggie as long as it's not making it hard to function. Microdosing doesn't seem to make it happen more. I agree that microdosing makes it harder to do things you don't want to do, but I think it conversely makes it easier to do things you really want to do. I consider "being productive" and "accomplishing things I really want to do" to be the same.

What is the general consensus on 5-HTP for decreased anxiety and sleep? Is it just a placebo or is there something to back it up?

>>27 Just get a pound of matcha, it has a bunch of general health benifits besides having a potent ammount of both caffine and l theanine.

Zhou's neuropeak is pretty great, I've never done noots before and my first try powered me for an entire day with uncanny concentration. It literally cured me of my ADHD for a day, I would recommend it for first timers unsure of how to stack their drugs, although the effect becomes less pronounced if you use it on a daily basis, so take it sparingly when you need the utmost concentration

So I just ordered some 300mg caps of Adranafil. What am I in for?

>>2026 If you have any anxiety problems it will worsen them a lot.

Cerebrolysin and Cortexin are the only 2 nootropics worth time, money and effort. Everything else is snake oil.

>>2026 Liver damage JK Well i've never used adrafinil but i've been on modafinil for months. For me it felt kinda like a mental push on your back that keeps you going. Don't use it more than 3/4 times a week otherwise your tolerance will grow and we all know this soykaf ain't cheap. Also keep in mind to eat your meals(it fuarrrks with your appetite). BTW if you have the possibility to get your hands on modafinil do so. Afdafinil isn't really healthy for your liver in long term use. >>2027 Well, if the anxiety is productivity related it may actually go away. It did for me

I tried 5 grams of kratom for the first time today. Didn't go very well, i threw up and felt like soykaf for 2h. Also the taste of it is so damn awful. I've no idea how this soykaf is called a mood booster LMAO

>>2033 Depending on the strain and your weight and sex that seems like sedative dosage... and for a newbie? You were doomed for failure from the start Please use online dosage calculators before doing something like this

>>2038 5 grams was the minimal dosage the instructions recommend. O_o

>>2039 5 grams of anything seems a stretch that would give me a mental alert pop-up, even with harmless stuff like weed 5 grams would fuarrrk you so hard

>>2039 >"I read instructions from people who want to harm me" Because reading multiple sources and looking up dosages on multiple sites when something like your health is in potential danger... is hard?

>>2041 Well the thing is that I've actually read some studies on it.

Continuing..(I pressed post by accident) It was actually red vein Thai kratom and 5 gram of it is actually considered a normal dose. >>2040 It's not a pure substance anon It's just some powdered leafs

>>2043 How many kilos do you have and what is your sex? Go online and search up "kratom dosage calculator"

>>2044 Just assume he is a female with 57kg, so he cannot O.D. on internet advice Present Day, Present Time! AHAHAHAHAHA!

>>2045 >he is a female I actually I assumed he was 75 kg and that it was a red strain 5.6 - 6.2 is sedative dosage for those

>>2032 >Don't use it more than 3/4 times a week otherwise your tolerance will grow and we all know this soykaf ain't cheap. So far no tolerance build up has been shown in studies, the longest lasting one was 2 years of daily modafinil with zero tolerance buildup. What happens to me at least is that I pull all nighter after all nighter and because of the increasing fatigue I have to increase the dose. But after 2 nights of good sleep I am back to my standard 200mg >>1695 Its normal for most nootropics. Keep in mind those are just supplements, not medecine. Most Ruh-Rah effects are just placebo >>1693 Started Modafinil In early 2017. It removes the background fatigue that you feel when you had either a bad sleep or just a bit less sleep than what you needed. Also I feel that I can work at 100% efficiency for 90% of the day (7 am - Midnight usually) instead of only a few hours. It (sadly) does NOT replace a whole night's sleep, contrary to some articles I read about it years ago. You still need 1-2 hours to avoid literally nodding off as soon as nothing interesting happens (like in a lecture or in church) and around 4 hours (a full REM cycle) to function normally. Waking up is a chore because the pill takes 1-2 hours to kick in so I have to use my "normal" willpower to actually leave bed. Once up however and the pill kicks in, everything is fine. When fully rested I feel no difference.

I don't have an adderall prescription, I probably can't get an adderall prescription, but I can get other things. To avoid getting those other things, after extensive research I have come up with the following combination; of which mg's needed of each legal chemical will be determined when I buy them and try them out. I just want to make sure none of these interact poorly, still researching some more, but i'd like some input and how well you think it will work. Synephrine Adrafinil Phenethylamine Hordenine fuarrrking benadryl, don't ask why 50-75 mg of this stuff gives me some serious stimulation. probably caffeine. The idea of this is half getting some work done but also just half get some euphoria. I'd like to know how well you would think it would work for those. Anxiety isn't an issue.

>>2124 Even if it gives you some stimulation, I wouldn't be taking that much DPH on a daily basis because memory loss. Not sure how much of an issue it is, I'd just be wary of taking something that inhibits acetylcholine all the time

>200mg l-theanine x3 a day(morning before lunch after lunch) >250mg caffeine x3 (Same as above) >600 mg piracetam in morning >300mg cdp-choline in morning >Rough days Ill do 300 or 600 mg adrafinil It seems to be working pretty well. warning though, piracetam increases some peoples (mine) libido in the beginning. Also, Im trying to cut down on the caffiene, but I love it.

Have you guys heard of flmodafinil(modafinil analogue) and 4F-MPH(ritalin analogue)? You can get those at some RC suppliers. Best thing about them aside of being legal is that they are sold at a way lower price than the real thing. What do you guys think?

>>2393 Yeah. I use flmodafinil occasionally. 50mg keeps me properly awake, it seems to be up to 4x as potent as modafinil. It's cheap, and no love letters from customs. Sometimes, after it's effect runs out, I seem to get very anxious. I'm not sure why. Because of that I avoid using it too often. I haven't tried regular modafinil, so I can't compare it.

>>2393 >willingly taking a literally fluoridated version of an already fine drug It's poison m8, you'd be better off hurting your liver with adrafinil.

>>2414 yeah, I mean thats just as ridiculous as eating chlorinated sodium instead of pure, 100% natural sodium. Dude please, learn some chemistry at least. Your post made my brain cells melt.

>>2418 how about you do some research before you accuse me of not knowing my soykaf? it's not just a fluorine compound, you are literally getting one free fluoride ion per one molecule of modafinil when your body metabolizes it. it's poison.

>>2425 Well, yes that's actually the whole idea of it. They take a well known drug, which is in this case modafinil and make it legal for other people to use. People who create this kind of drugs are not willingly trying to kill you or fry you precious brain. That's not what they intend or are being paid for. Adding a fluorine compound can tweak a well known substance in many ways. In this case making it stronger than the original. But you can't call it fuarrrking poison for fuarrrk's sake! Yes, the process of adding fluorine can have a lot of different side effects, but it's not going to kill you that's for sure.

>>2425 a pure substance and a substance in a compound behave radically different. Our body needs fluor ffs. So even that point is moot. Think about salt which is Na+Cl, the chlorine does not suddenly start to poison us when salt is metabolized either. And Cl is in the same group as F so this example is spot-on.

>>2425 I'm not a chemist or a doctor but I did some napkin math. Please let me know if I fuarrrked something up or am generally wrong. Wikipedia says flmodafinil weighs 309.33 g/mol. I'm assuming that 1 molecule of flmodafinil gives you two fluoride ions when it's metabolized. Fluoride ions have a molar mass of 19 g/mol. I take 50mg of flmodafinil, so the amount of fluoride that I end up with is: 2 * 19 * 0.050 (g flmodafinil) / 309.33 (g/mol) = 0.006 g => 6 mg. According to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride_toxicity) the lethal dose of fluoride is 32 to 64 mg Fl/kg body weight in most adults, and nausea starts at around 0.2-0.3 mg/kg. I weigh ~70 kg so the amount of fluoride I'm consuming won't even cause that effect. Now, long-term, heavy use of this stuff might have some impact on your bone health and other aspects of your body, since fluoride ions bond with calcium and make CaF2 or something like that, removing Ca from your body. I only take it on occasion though. My point is: the amount of fluoride you get from a reasonable dose of this stuff will not kill you or noticeably harm you. If you're going to call a drug poison, then be kind enough to demonstrate why.

>>2444 >>2430 >>2426 >all these dum dums not knowing fluoride kills brain cells at any dosage Of course they will be in nootropics threads and try to get smarter... lol

>>2445 Gimme a link. Some resource that supports your statement. Otherwise you're spouting garbage.

>>2446 Just google "flouride kills brain cells", I can't be bothered educating an idiot like you. It ain't my job to make you smarter.

>>2447 >he still does not get that a pure substance is different than a compound >he is litterally stuck in pre-highschool understanding of chemistry >on an advnced *chan board >in a thread about smarter-making drugs >he digs himself deeper when called out >In the year of the Lord II 0 I VIII (2018) I sure hope you guys don't do this

>>2447 Ow soykaf nigga I've gotta tell my pharmacy they are selling drugs not medicine And if they don't listen imma gotta shoot them up. "twenty percent of all commercialized pharmaceuticals contain fluorine, examples being Lipitor and Prozac." Source:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_aspects_of_fluorine

>>2457 >he doesn't get that compounds break down in human body until every atom is either used or discarded >putting toxic soykaf in your body in form of compounds will do absolutely no harm Kek, good one

>>2461 Look up on wikipedia drug metabolizm

>>2461 you're fuarrrking stupid, free atoms are almost never present in your body.

>>2463 Yea and ions are well known to create free radicals or new compounds, who knows of what kind

>>2464 All can be calculated https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_metabolism

>>2461 Alright, assume what you say are true. Explain then why we are not all dying off chlorine poisoning whenever we eat salt? Like I said above, chlorine and fluoride are in the same group, the halogens, they react very very similarly. Clearly if I eat something that contains more than half its molar mass as chlorine I should notice at least some poisonous effects, no? (oh and "salt kills" is through the sodium, not the chlorine)

I've got a basic stack to help mitigate the more cognitive symptoms of depression as well as stress and anxiety. I find it to be much more effective than any psychiatric medications as handling low mood and other symptoms of depression is much easier when your mind is clear and active enough to deconstruct and defuse those symptoms and you have enough energy to engage in productive and healthy activities. Piracetam + Alpha-GPC + Ashwaghanda with breakfast and lunch. I also occasionally take LSD at recreational doses as I find it significantly reduces symptoms of depression and anxiety for up to 2-4 weeks after consumption. In addition, I've found that I've been more patient, relaxed and capable to adapt to life's stresses. It's quite a commitment though so I use it sparingly and only when I feel there will be therapeutic benefit (although let's be real, it's also a great time).

I'm a bit of a tea hobbyist, so I tend to consume 6-8 grams daily, which supplies plenty of caffeine and theanine. I do have have those in pill form, but I've found that tea has a much nicer effect. Almost a recreational high, depending on the grade of the leaf.

>>2491 How much tea is in, say a single bag of green tea? I drink it but don't notice a strong effect from it.

>>2494 Probably around 1.5 to 2 grams. Keep in mind that the stuff in teabags is basically the manufacturing leftovers from looseleaf tea.

Nicotine as a productivity drug/self-med - six months later A while back, I started taking nicotine (gum, lozenges and patches) out of desperation to help me read, study, get chores done, etc. The reason being that I can't get diagnosed for ADD to get adderall, and nicotine shares many of the same properties. I posted here about it after a few weeks of the experiment, and I was still in the "honeymoon" phase with the drug. Here's my report after a much longer period with nicotine: Tolerance vs ongoing benefits: Nicotine tolerance builds up pretty quick, and the phase of "wow I can really do lots of soykaf" dies down after a month or so. What you are left with is a better memory, and somewhat better focus/awareness. So the biggest difference from the honeymoon phase is that your motivation goes back to normal-ish levels, meaning procrastination can still bite you in the ass. You can try to increase your dose (I went from the 14mg to 21mg patches, later went back to 14mg for other reasons), but at the end of the day you can't escape tolerance if you are taking a steady dose like lozenges, gum, or patches. The workaround I'm trying right now is vaping (bought a refillable pod/nic salts system). Compared to patches, a vape hit gives a big spike of nicotine in your system. If you combine vaping with patches, you can use vape hits to train yourself to do the things you're putting off. Vaping is very habit-forming, and not just in the usual sense: if you vape while doing chores, work, or homework, it reinforces that activity in your brain. I take a couple good puffs and a shot of coffee in the morning now, and I literally jump out of bed for it the moment my alarm goes off. It wakes you up instantly. While I say this, I've accomplished about twice as much this semester as I normally would. I took a real course load, read about 3000 pages worth of books, did basically half the work for a group project, held a part-time job, and never felt overwhelmed. Having a real memory is honestly amazing to me, I only have to study a bit and things just come to me later. Even programming or working in terminal, I only have to use commands or functions once or twice to memorize them. I feel like I have a bunch of lost years from not being on stimulants. It's painful to think about how unproductive, slow, and miserable I've been in the past. Unexpected side benefits: I have no desire for alcohol anymore. Alcohol was definitely creeping up on me, I would get wasted in my room every weekend, and even often on some week nights. Hangovers were interfering with my classes sometimes, and I couldn't walk by the drinks aisle at the supermarket without getting something. When I'm on nicotine, I can walk right by the drinks without even considering them. I go weeks without drinking, and when I do drink, it's a conscious choice just for the purpose of enjoyment. Even if I lost all the other benefits of nicotine, I'd probably keep taking it just for this. Similarly, I basically no longer feel social pressures, tfwnogf, or anything of that nature. Caffeine used to stress me out, paired with nicotine it's perfect. Withdrawals: I'm definitely addicted now. Withdrawals are mostly just disorienting in my limited experience. If I go a day without some nicotine, I'll get foggy-headed, a bit twitchy, and irritable. Definitely operating below baseline. If I wanted to quit, these symptoms (milder than a decent hangover) wouldn't be too tough to deal with for the week or two that they last, but I have no reason to stop, and have substantial reasons to continue. Unwanted side effects: If you aren't careful with dose, you will have high blood pressure and headaches. When I switched to 21mg patches, I was initially fine, but I lost weight (another unwanted side effect), and as a result the dose became too strong. So I went back to 14mg. I guess the silver lining here is that abusing nicotine is pretty much impossible. You will not crave an ever-higher dose. In this respect (as well as others), it is definitely safer than most other stims. Nicotine patches can dry out your skin, even if you rotate where you put them. When I have an off day, I take lozenges instead so my skin can recover.

>>3231 very insightful post actually, you peaked my interest.

>>3231 hey for history in terminal use fish, i love it: https://github.com/fish-shell/fish-shell good post lainon.

Morning: >Huperzine A 200mcg >Lion's Mane 8:1 Extract 1000mg >Polygala Tenuifolia 20:1 Extract 200mg Evening: >Bacognize Bacopa Monnieri Extract 300mg >Polygala Tenuifolia 20:1 Extract 100mg >Sensoril Ashwagandha 125mg

Creatine helps me focus but it's a subtle effect but enough an effect I noticed it prior to knowing it can do this. For the record I am a meat eater so it doesn't only work on vegetarians, it probably just is more noticable.

I've been using phenibut for anxiety management. My thoughts: * Its categorization as a noot is questionable, but the fact that it reduces anxiety without being too mentally impairing allows it that distinction, imo. * Withdrawals suck. Like really fuarrrking suck. Similar to those with booze but the duration of use needed to get them is much much shorter. Even if you're just testing the stuff out, I would buy enough to taper down over 1-2 weeks. Tolerance shows up after 3 days, after 7 days you're just taking it to prevent withdrawals unless you increase your dose which I don't recommend. For me withdrawal effects appear after 2 days of cutting the dose. * It has a massive half life. For me it seems to be something like 12 hours, judging from how long the effects last. Because of this, if you take it repeatedly it will build up in your system, tolerance will build up even more quickly. Also if I've taken more than 2g in one day, when I wake up the next day my head will really heavy, as though I were drunk. * It takes 3-4 hours to reach its peak, so you may want to time it if using it to reduce presentation anxiety. * A 2g dose is enough to cut out anxiety and calm you without being mentally impairing. This is the main advantage I can see over things like alcohol. I can take it with things like stims and not suffer as much of the side effects. * Sedation will vary per person. For me, 2g is okay, especially if I'm taking caffeine. 3g has me nodding. It goes without saying not to take it with other sedating drugs. * Only slight euphoria at 2g. At 3-4g, I'm giddy. Music sounds amazing at >= 2g. Overall, I recommend it for occasional anxiety reduction without making you stupid. It's an okay recreational drug too. If you're at all susceptible to redosing or want a daily driver I would stay the fuarrrk away from it

Hello, I'm generally a quite high functioning individual. My factual memory is exceptional along with my reasoning abilities, and I have fairly average working memory; however, I've noticed myself extremely lacking in three, perhaps related areas. First, I've noticed that my imagination is limited to lines, I can't for example imagine sounds, textures, shades, or colors, it's also as if I'm viewing things with my eyes, extremely limited as far as focus goes. Second, I've noticed that my episodic memory is extremely poor, the details of two days ago are extremely fuzzy, and yesterday even isn't all that clear. Lastly, I tend to have some difficulty dealing with symbols, for example when working through a math problem I might do everything correctly except I invert a sign somewhere along the way or I might right a beautiful sentence but have it ruined by using the word access instead of assess. Are any of you aware of anything which can benefit this sort of thing? Preferably with benefits that extend beyond when you stop taking them. Thanks lain.

>>3885 1) psychedelic drugs seem to be best for boosting imagination, I have no experience there though. 2) *racetams helped me some with short term memory, especially when I was recovering from chronic DXM abuse. Honestly the biggest impactor on my memory is sleep; good sleep gives me better memory about the last few days. Some stimulants like caffeine and MPH may also help but I don't remember the source for that 3) this is really common honestly. It would be nice if there was a program that checks equivalence of mathematical expressions as you write them so you don't keep fuarrrking up

>>3839 I've bought some pheni pills recently, 900mg a pill. I'm also kinda scared to any. How should I start? I'm aiming at productivity increase & silencing my anxiety/fears occasionally.

>>3886 >psychedelic drugs seem to be best for boosting imagination, I have no experience there though. I've been considering taking pychedelics. This might sound a bit odd but my only worry is that they might remove some nuance from my thinking, I'd like to hear what others have to say on that. >*racetams helped me some with short term memory, especially when I was recovering from chronic DXM abuse. The odd thing with me is that it's not my short term memory or even my memory generally but only my autobiographical/episodic memory, that's why I was thinking it might be related to my imagination. So I'm sure racetams would help with my memory generally but it doesn't seem like it would give me the longterm benefit in this one type of memory, maybe I'm wrong though. >Honestly the biggest impactor on my memory is sleep; good sleep gives me better memory about the last few days. Some stimulants like caffeine and MPH may also help but I don't remember the source for that I get plenty of sleep, pretty regularly 9 hours going to bed around 10, and I used to drink coffee, I don't anymore. I think I've always had poor brain functioning in these three areas and I don't remember coffee helping. >This is really common honestly. It would be nice if there was a program that checks equivalence of mathematical expressions as you write them so you don't keep fuarrrking up yah, that'd be cool.

>>3889 >This might sound a bit odd but my only worry is that they might remove some nuance from my thinking, I'd like to hear what others have to say on that. I cannot provide any evidence that what I say is true, but I would say from personal experience this is not something that should worry you. One of the long-lasting effects psychedelics had on me (I do not take them anymore because I am at high risk for schizophrenia and bipolar disorder) is a general improvement in the clarity of my thought and ability to follow different and often contradictory lines of reasoning. However, I did have treatment-resistant depression that cleared up because of psychedelics, so the benefits that I saw could very well have been from that.

>>3900 >One of the long-lasting effects psychedelics had on me is a general improvement in the clarity of my thought and ability to follow different and often contradictory lines of reasoning. However, I did have treatment-resistant depression that cleared up because of psychedelics, so the benefits that I saw could very well have been from that. Well that's great to hear regardless of potential other causes. Even more so I'm very happy to hear that it cleared up your depression, it seems to me it is one of the most unjustly neglected treatments for a variety of mental issues like this. >I do not take them anymore because I am at high risk for schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. My family has a history of moderate schizophrenia with both my little sister and father being known to hear voices on occasion, perhaps this is another thing I should worry about.

>>3900 >>3906 >Well that's great to hear regardless of potential other causes. Even more so I'm very happy to hear that it cleared up your depression, it seems to me it is one of the most unjustly neglected treatments for a variety of mental issues like this. From looking through many of the popular psychedelics documentaries, you can see fairly fast that there was huge interest in making use of psychedelics for various treatment therapies. In fact, before the DEA got hold of the whole MDMA situation (I realize MDMA is not a psychedelic) there was when MDMA was growing to be the hot new thing, therapists liked to administer MDMA in controlled environments. The idea was to treat clients that have had some sort of PTSD inducing trauma in a one time session with MDMA, in order to open them up to think rationally about a series of events and give them a way to think towards the future unhindered again. I'm specifically referring to rape victims mentioned in the doc "ecstasy rising", many of which reported their therapies to have tremendous effect. LSD was sort of similar, except that it got too difficult to get official approval for clinical trials, and development too slow with the restrictions the government places on clinical trials. This is sort of off-topic, but it makes me reminiscent of terrence mckenna who always advocated we actually make use these powerful substances with supreme potential compared to their risks (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/517818-psychedelics-are-illegal-not-because-a-loving-government-is-concerned). Instead pharma bestowed us a revolution of an unemotional, overdiagnosed society full of mental illnesses that need to be treated with quite more dangerous antidepressants. This is much more opinion than fact. I don't have much to back my words, just watch some LSD or molly documentaries and you will find these reoccuring themes, I just though it interesting to raise a point and possibly explain why we don't hear a lot about psychedelics for treatment.

>>3889 long time space cadet here. >This might sound a bit odd but my only worry is that they might remove some nuance from my thinking, I'd like to hear what others have to say on that. it removes some of the structuredness from your thinking, but I wouldn't say any nuance is lost. Sometimes it is harder to express what I mean. I have also found that I can visualize things *very well*. Daydreaming sometimes becomes fully immersive and lifelike. Erotic daydreams in particular.

>>3910 >it removes some of the structuredness from your thinking, but I wouldn't say any nuance is lost. Sometimes it is harder to express what I mean. By this do you mean that your thinking is less rigidly justified? >I have also found that I can visualize things *very well*. Daydreaming sometimes becomes fully immersive and lifelike. Erotic daydreams in particular. That's pretty awesome, and exactly what I'm after (or at least one of the things I'm after).

>>3906 >My family has a history of moderate schizophrenia with both my little sister and father being known to hear voices on occasion, perhaps this is another thing I should worry about. This should be your largest concern, frankly. Having a parent and sibling who exhibit symptoms of schizophrenia puts you at a hugely increased risk yourself. I'd stay away if I were you, or if you insist on giving them a shot stick to low doses.

>>3914 >This should be your largest concern, frankly. Having a parent and sibling who exhibit symptoms of schizophrenia puts you at a hugely increased risk yourself. I'd stay away if I were you, or if you insist on giving them a shot stick to low doses. Okay, I was on the fence about it anyway, I guess I'll just be cool with the way I am for now.

>>3887 Take 1, see how it affects you. 2g is a normal dose. After my experiment I wouldn't use them more than once a week. The final withdrawals were horrible.

>>3912 >By this do you mean that your thinking is less rigidly justified? more like, I can't put my thoughts into words as well

>>3917 >more like, I can't put my thoughts into words as well Ah, my bad. Anyway I'm off, it seems like based off the feed back I've been giving here and research elsewhere that other lions mane which I'm already taking, and psychedelics which I can't take due to my family history, nothing seems to meet my requirements. I wish you all the best.

I want to start using noopept, any tips before buying it?

>>3916 I realize the withdrawal effects vary from a person to a person, but what should I expect in worst case? I still have to be able to get things done daily.

>>3924 In my free time, I couldn't do anything. Anything I tried to do was too stimulating and made me feel like I was going crazy. The best I could do was binge-read manga or watch random mindless garbage on youtube. Sometimes even that would be too much, so I would sit there and stare at the ceiling and try not to think too hard. I would get hungry, but couldn't make myself eat. Then I'd get tired, but wouldn't sleep for more than an hour at a time, eventually giving up after several of these short periods of sleep. This just worsened the dysphoria I was experiencing. When I had actual obligations (work) I felt a little better because I was distracted from whatever my brain was doing. However it was difficult to think and I constantly felt like quitting and going home, though not to the extent that I'd override my good judgement. This was after two weeks of frequent (but not daily) 2-3g use. The nastiest of these symptoms lasted 3 full days, after which they started to dissipate. It took about a week to go back to normal. There are people who suffered from far worse withdrawals than I did, and people's brain and body chemistries vary enough that it's hard to say. Some people could use the stuff for as long as I did (about two weeks) and just feel soykaf for a couple days. Just read the reports of phenibut withdrawals, they're all over the place. Also, if you have experienced alcohol or benzo withdrawal before, the slingshot effect will apply here. I think that actually worsened my withdrawals.

>>3924 >>3933 I should add that worst case withdrawals are like those with any other depressant, and are far worse than what I had -- things like DT's, hypertension, severe dysphoria and depression, confusion, delirium, etc. That soykaf only happens when you've been thoroughly addicted to the stuff for a long time and stop it cold turkey.

Is there a (serious) drug which induce curiosity, i.e. desire for learning? Not stimulants, I am already quite irritable. My question seems dull so posting here.

>>3924 I took 1g of phenibut daily for three days and had painful withdrawals on day four when I didn't take it. The acute withdrawals were bad enough that I was unable to even socialize, let alone work or perform creative tasks for a period of at least 24 hours. I don't have specific memories on the past-acute withdrawals. The withdrawals set on so rapidly and with such a disproportionate intensity to the dosage and amount of time that I took it that I haven't taken it again and advise others to avoid it as well.

>>3935 mushrooms

>>3935 This may sound trite but learning is the best way to increase the desire for learning. Its like watching the first few episodes of a new series: Makes you want to know more. Even it at first you do not want to, just get started. If you feel that you can't do more, go for another 5 minutes then stop. Try to beat your time the next day. Long time ago when I first started seriously learning and reading books above my age (university textbooks when I was in the 11th grade) I would feel the overwhelming urge to sleed after just 15 minutes of reading. I stuck to it however and after forcing myself every day into the local library for about 1-2 weeks, I noticed that I could stick with a book for 2-3 hours at a time easily. Turns out the brain can also learn to learn, and learn to like learning. Aside from that, even the more powerful stuff like Modafinil, the x-racetams and noopept does not introduce the desire to learn.

>>3933 >>3934 Thanks. I'm fairly resistant to addictions and never had any withdrawal syndroms. I haven't felt too much of an urge to drink, even when I landed in deep soykaf. >>3938 Thanks too. Wish I bought nootropics instead of pheni...

>>3941 This, capacity to learn and desire to learn aren't the same thing. I don't know of a drug that can give you a specific desire. Apart from maybe Viagra lul.

>>3945 If you aren't prone to addiction you'll be fine, don't listen to the idiots who take heavy daily doses of a potent drug (seriously, 2g as a normal dose? The hell are some of you smoking?) like it's candy and bitch about withdrawals. People like that are the reason why we're in an opioid epidemic. Do your research, start low (since you have 900mg pills I'd say take one once or twice a week, never the day after you dose) and you might get some use out of it as a decent anxiolytic. Withdrawals can be easily avoided with mindful consumption.

>>3804 How's it working for you?

anyone have experience with fish oil?

>>4049 assuming you eat healthy: Absolutely minimal noticeable effect. Granted, the effect might have been there and be obvious if I had been tested regularly as in a scientific study. From my personal perception however there was no change.

Is there anything that I can get without prescription that might help me overcome anhedonia/emotional numbness? I've heard that Ginkgo Bilboa combined with some other things might have an effect, but I have no idea how to take or prepare it because I'm completely illiterate when it comes to this sort of stuff.

>>4369 Maybe try increasing dopamine receptors. This can be done with uridine, cold showers and nicotine. Nicotine may be counter productive if you become addicted though. I haven't had opportunity to try myself.

>>4369 Actually I should ask some questions to have a better idea what is going on. Do you have any strange visions like you could be hallucinating? Have you ever been addicted to any drugs and what kind? Excessively wank while watching hardcore fetish porn? Do you have any chronic pain? Had experienced a traumatic event? Been depressed for more than five years?

>>4382 no to every question unless fapping to vanilla anime stuff once a week counts

>>4369 I've been trying to get over this too on and off over the years. I have a few tricks that sometimes help, but no silver bullet yet. Would love to know, so if you or anyone else figures something out let me know. The thing that works best for me (but is still pretty contrived, mind you) is to simply force a passion in something. I don't really have passion or even desire most of the time. The Buddhists must be jealous as hell, I hear that's what they try to achieve over multiple lifetimes or whatever. But it's pretty terrible. I mean I'm totally joking, I know this is illness and not the end of Samsara. Anyway I just take something I see other people are really in to or really want and try that for a while, start going through motions and making preparations and learning things. It's hard at first because I don't really care or want to do it, but eventually some kind of momentum builds up. I wouldn't say I learn to enjoy it, but I start to get some kind of itch like I need to finish what I started or something. It keeps me busy for a while. It turns down the volume a bit on the awareness of my numbness. But eventually it runs its course and I gotta find something else. I guess that's life. I wonder if I'm just normal and this is what everybody is doing, but I really feel almost nothing, want almost nothing, and I know that if I don't keep doing it I'll probably self-euthanize not out of sadness or distress but out of simply being tired of waiting.

>>4385 > img > "Retarded Depression" > slow thinking lain, I don't know how to tell you this, but SEL has tons of occulted info including a nootropic solution right here: https://patents.google.com/patent/US5036858A/en The kid is wearing the linked patented brain wave frequency controller...

>>4387 That's just what's called a "brain machine". It's nothing but pulsing lights and sound. Wouldn't solve anything just a crutch.

Have any of you taken omega 3, especially DHA? I'm thinking of getting some, for my ADHD.

>>4506 for adhd try collagen and gaba supplements. Don’t exceed 1000mg of omega 3 per day or it might cause some low level of inflammation in the body. If you are already eating a good amount of pasture raised eggs and wild caught fish, u probably wouldn’t need omega 3 supps. Also try alpha-GPC and ginko biloba together for increased acetyl-choline in the brain which = focus.

>>4507 omega 3 supplements can be good, just make sure u don’t overdo it. Higher EPA ratios have been shown to be more effective against fighting depression in omega 3 supplements.

>>4507 >>4508 Thanks anon, i have some research to do.

>>4507 >>4509 If you have DHA/EPA and Alpha GPC might as well ad uridine. Few foods have uridine but it along with omega 3s and acetylcholine sources are what the brains neurons are produced from. Folate also is crutial to the brain but folic acid can cause a deficiency in folate even though it's a type of folate. Basically it doesn't have very good bioavailability. B6 and B12 work well with folate but you likely get enough if you have a good diet.

250mg Citicoline, Basic B12/D3/Omega3 supplements 400mg Berberine t.i.d. I'm basically trying to "repair" my brain, however possible that even is, after a lot of stupid bullshit with drugs and such over the past few years. Seems effective so far, and I've been on it a few months now. I was also using Huperzine-A, black seed oil, and pregnenolone for a while. Mini-review on those: Huperzine-A: Could just be placebo, but I think this soykaf worked. Seemed to give me more focus and clarity of thinking, all that. Not sure it actually helped my memory, though. I forgot what it was called and had to look it up. Black seed oil: Don't think I got anything out of it, really. At least, I didn't notice anything from it. Pregnenolone: Added this in because it's supposed to help restore dopamine levels, at least in schizos. I'm not sure if it worked as hoped long-term, but it definitely made me a little more active and motivated while I was on it.

>>4526 Do you have schizophrenia?

How does that taste. I thank they taste like weed.

>>4527 No, fortunately. I just hoped it would have a similar effect on anyone with a broken dopamine system.

>>4553 Why think it's broken? If you had low dopamine you would have symptoms like Parkinson's disease.

>>4556 Okay, there's a lot to cover here, so buckle up. First, Parkinson's symptoms only show up if the dopamine loss is in certain parts of the brain. Parkinson's is fundamentally a disease which causes you to lose control over your muscles, because dopamine signalling in specific parts of the brain is very important for telling your muscles what to do. If you have any sort of problems with dopamine which aren't in these parts of the brain, the symptoms won't look like Parkinson's much, if at all. Second, you can actually see signs of damage slowly building up in older scans of Parkinson's brains, from before they had any obvious symptoms. There's unfortunately not a lot of data on this, but it's also been seen with other dementias. If you look at brain scans of the people who go on to have these brain problems in their later life, there are signs of shrinkage or damage in their brains going back into their 30s, or sometimes even 20s. It's only after decades of their brain cells eroding that they can no longer cope and start to show the outward symptoms we're familiar with. Third, I've actually had some mild Parkinsonian-type symptoms in the past, so I have pretty good reason to think something nasty might have happened to my dopamine neurons. It was a side effect from something I took, and it did eventually mostly go away on its own, but I'd rather do what I can to make sure the problem is addressed than just sit around hoping it's magically all good and will never show up again later in my life.

>>4558 I was half asleep when I wrote that. Odd I thought you said you thought it was low then rereading you never said that now you confirmed it true you have some Parkinson's symptoms anyway. This happens to me sometimes. L-dopa and NALT produce dopamine. Uridine increases dopamine receptors and so does nicotine while something like cocaine reduces dopamine receptors. I've read various claims iboga/ibogaine restores the dopamine system but I haven't found studies to confirm this. There also are other rereceptors involved in dopamine release such as glutamate receptors if I recall right and endocannabinoid receptors but I haven't done enough research into your type of symptoms. I mainly read about schizophrenia.

Started using nicotine gum attempting to memorize more at least within a time window but i haven't felt anything or noticed a improvement. Did .5mg then same dose next time then 1mg then after next 2mg and at this point I question if it even works for me. I don't want to mess up my circulatory system so I am trying this sparinglly. I felt some chest pain and mild headache first two or three times.

i remember a friend of mine was ordering all kinds of weird bullshit off the internet for a time. wanting someone to compare results with, he would give me samples of various things literally the only thing i noticed that did anything was modafinil. it had a way of keeping me up for around 18hrs at a time with little to no fatigue. no speedy feeling like amphs either. interesting stuff, and i can see why it was originally used for fighter pilots on long flights

Sup Lains! I'm currently looking into nootropics to combat ADHD. I can't afford prescription right now and used to be on 27mg of Concerta until about 2 years ago. So far in my research on how exactly Concerta helped me is that its a Dopamine Re-uptake Inhibitor (DRI) which basically kept more dopamine in my head instead of getting processed out. Also that having more dopamine in your brain besides providing good feelings and focus, helps cut noise from other neurons. For my stack I was going to focus on noots that improve dopamine production, while taking some legal OTC DRIs; I'm finding OTC DRIs to be very few for obvious reasons. For the Dopamine/Norepinephrine I'm thinking L-Tyrosine, and possibly CDP Choline. I currently drink strong coffee in the morning from my moka pot and will either have espresso in the afternoon or if I'm chilling at home tea (mostly been drinking Oolongs). Therefor I don't see the point in caffeine pills, but am iffy on whether I should take Theanine as a supplement as well, since I don't drink tea daily. For DRI the only thing I have really come across that is readily available is Adrafinil. The main drawback besides having to take it early to be turned into Modafinil and staying in your body a while is that it can fuarrrk with your liver. Some sources act like it's fairly toxic while others act like its only really bad if you take high doses for extend periods of time. Other things I found that Wikipedia has mentioned is Chaenomeles(Flowering Quince) and Oroxylin A (found in Oroxylum Indicum and Scutellaria Baicalensis AKA Skullcap), but I didn't find any places that sells pills made from them online. Only other Nootropics I thought I might try are Aniracetam, Noopept, Oxiracetam, Piracetam. Oxiracetam in particular I have seen mentioned for ADHD. Any advice is appreciated. I know none of these are going to be as good as Concerta for ADHD, but anything that helps me in the mean time until I get healthcare is good.

>>4782 Most common for ADHD is taking NALT.

>>4784 I thought about NALT, but some of the resources I have read act like while it can give your body a boost quicker since it's more soluble, it doesn't provide long term stronger effects unless you increase the dosage compared to just taking L-Tyrosine. Only other herb I'm looking into is Polygala Tenufolia that was mentioned to act as a mild DRI, though I have yet to find any docs referring to it as such.

>>4787 Why not just change your prescription to generic methylphenidate ER? Buying a bunch of noots and supplements isn't necessarily cheaper.

>>4788 The thing is, even if I went generic they still are pricey per month compared to noots; which can last for 2-3 months. Also unlike with noots I have to pay out of pocket for insurance. Also since its a controlled substance insurance has to cover at least 2 visits a year just to maintain prescription. There will probably be co-pays because why not. Some people have also suggested the doc may want to retest me or since I'm a new patient see me a couple times in the beginning. So non Noots: Monthly health insurance, 2 doctors co-pays, monthly RX cost. Noots: 3-4 Noots every 2-3 months. Its far cheaper for right now until I get a real job.

>>4789 Magnesium L-threonate has some studies on it for ADHD. Zinc as well which is cheap. Omega-3s also. Phosphatidylserine is another thing being used with studies on it. In theory L-Phenethylamine can be used as a substitute for amphetamine based drugs but it's increadibly short lived and would thus require a selective MAO-B inhibitor to extend that but even with I can't say it would last long. Memantine also has studies on it for ADHD seems it works best combined with amphetamine like stimulants. As for anything dangerous to your renal system like Adrafinil if you take the risk you can reduce the risk with things like NAC, Silymarin (from milk thistle), and artichoke extract (which also is a nootropic via PDE4 inhibition).

>>4790 I'll look into Magnesium L-threonate and Phosphatidylserine thanks. I was planning to look into things to counter act Adrafinils toxicity so you saved me some research. Just how toxic is Adrafinil though? I know there isn't a lot of new research on it, but I have read conflicting sources that amounts to it only being toxic if taken daily in high doses. What would a high dose be? I was hoping I will only need to resort to it if none of the racetams work.

>>4791 Well those are just things for liver protection in general. NAC is actually used by doctors for paracetamol overdose. NAC also is one thing said to help ADHD so that is another two for one. Adrafinil's liver toxicity I assume isn't from the drug itself it's from the metabolites of it and abnormal liver enzyme levels it leads to. It's the type of drug that normally would have a doctor telling you to monitor your liver enzymes through tests periodically. While modafinil has been tested for ADHD I would personally look elsewhere first if you can since there is a risk of a few irreversible side effects from modafinil and adrafinil even setting aside the deadly rare side effect there is still the risk of a movement disorder. In theory PQQ may be of use for some forms of ADHD but I haven't had much luck finding a study on it for that purpose. There was a recent Iranian study on saffron but take it with a grain of salt since it's a big business for some mid east countries and it's a small study. If you figure out the active constituent in it there may be cheaper sources https://www.psychcongress.com/article/saffron-shows-promise-adhd-treatment

I normally take 200mg caf and 400mg lt as my standard dose, it works ok to wake me up a lot faster or stay slightly more focused but it really isn't strong enough for anything greater

>>4715 Up to 3mg nicotine and still don't see an improvement in forming new memories or focus like I wanted but I seem to have easier recall of old memories. Became nauseous though.

Does anyone here have experience with ma huang? My gf wanted me to go off adderall but now i just feel like soykaf all the time. I'd like to get as close to how i was before without any prescriptions or breaking any laws.

Are there any noots that effectively protect the brain from everyday wear and tear associated with aging, etc.? It freaks me out to think that my brain is pretty much defenseless against this sort of degradation. I think the utility of such a drug is obvious, but my initial search turns up little, perhaps because this effect isn't as glamorous/immediately gratifying as those of modafinil, caffeine, etc., not to mention that many expect to die before old age or else don't look that far ahead. Still, I would remind you that it doesn't take too long for issues to manifest (pic related). Also, what do we know about using noots to prevent Alzheimer's disease? Does it work?

>>4987 There aren't really many studies on prevention. Here is a meta analysis of turmeric (mainly the curcumin) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2781139/

Is the reddit sub for nootropics a good resource?

https://phys.org/news/2020-01-biological-scientists-pathways-lifespan.html I was wondering is anything like on the market anywhere? I believe the case is that one needs prescriptions for drugs like these. Although I wonder if there's any other option. I'm posting this here because I don't want to waste a thread.

>>5040 i haven't read the news report but the referenced article talks about knocking out genes to slow down mRNA translation which is clearly something a drug can't do

>>5040 Look up senotherapy. It's an approach to life extension and many are easy enough to get ahold of due to being natural substances. Not sure on the manufactured drugs though but some of the drugs are FDA approved just not for this use so you have an idea how common their existence is. None tested in humans for purpose of life extension though just rodents and dogs.

Does anyone have information on how to properly dose yourself? I finally got my hands on some nootropics to help with ADHD, but I realized I don't know how to properly dose myself. I read one article about dosing by your body weight for L-Tyrosine but it would be a fuarrrk load and it's not really a scientific article. I got nootropics to increase dopamine, one to help with serotonin, a few more to help with related receptors. I also got a sample pack of racetams including noopept, and adrafinil as a DRI replacement for ritalin. I'm hesitant of adrafinil cause some sources act like it can cause liver damage and face twitches. Anyone know of reptuple sites that tell you how to dose yourself? I was going to try taking the dopamine enhancing ones then keep adding on to see if it helps, but now I'm not sure. Here are the ones I got: >Dopamine increase: L-Tyrosine PS Phosphatide N-Acetyl L-Cysteine(NALT) >Serotonin influencer: Rhodiola Rosea 3%rosalind 1%Salidroside >Synapse influence: Ashwagandha Bacopa Monnieri >racetams Aniracetam Noopept Oxiracetam Piracetam >DRI Adrafinil 300 mg

What’s stopping me from literally buying everything, mixing it together, and eating it?

>>5233 bad interactions, not even because of the danger (depends on how much of everything you mix) but just because due to the interactions these substances might not serve the purpose of noots anymore (depends on what you decide to mix) people make noot cocktails all the time, but you'd be wiser exploring the effects for you personally and organizing a schedule for your noots probably

>>5234 brb, transcending humanity

>people take the exact same "stack" and quantity every day. Your body adjusts to anything you give it, it especially likes it when you give it the exact same thing every day. Tolerance, it's how your body responds to repeated stimulation. Coffee drinkers and smokers receive no benefit from caffeine and nicotine respectively for this reason. What should your "stack" be? A CNS stimulant is the only real "nootropic"; nicotine, caffeine, cocaine, etc, etc. Pick 7 and cycle them every day. The only thing to think about is if your body builds tolerance to CNS stimulants in general through use. I have never found a study that looks into multiple CNS stimulants being cycled so you have to decide that on your own. As for my own "stack", caffeine on Saturdays and nicotine on Sundays. Weekends are my biggest study days since I have no work then. Thus I use two CNS stimulants during that period, and allow a reset of 5 days during the week.

pharmaceutical user here to grace u with a few good chems ive discovered over the years >Bromocriptine D2 agonist to decrease latent inhibition + enhance learning and creativity >Valproic Acid GABAergic for calming nerves and HDAC inhibitor for anti-senescence + neural health >Metformin AMPK activator for all around cellular efficiency and anti-senescence >Selegiline Irreversible MAO-B inhibitor to prevent neural degeneration and enhance dopaminergic systems + notable *alleged* systemic anti-aging effects >Naltrexone Opioid antagonist for anti-addiction, anti-autism effects >Ibudilast PDE4 inhibitor and TLR4 antagonist for systemic anti-inflammatory effect and reduced neuro-inflammation >Niacin Broad mechanism of action, promotes BDNF, anti-inflammatory... this soykaf is crazee

>>5299 If I recall right the studies on selegiline only applied to people with an unhealthy brain not a normal brain. Also the life extention studies aren't strongly supported because poorly conducted preclinical studies. Correct me if I am wrong.

Anybody listening to >>5299 is an idiot. There's significant risks to these sorts of medications and many potentially dangerous interactions.

>>5301 are you implying i was giving medical advice? obviously im not indicating someone to take all these chemicals and, even more obviously, every individual has the capacity to use their own common sense and do their own research before taking anything... obviously you have done some of this research yourself and concluded "">drug interactions exist, therefore hurr durr everything bad"" which is fine do what you want, im merely reporting on things which may be of interest. >>5300 humans lacking MAO-B display no recognized abnormalities except elevated phenethylamine levels in urine, MAO-B has no known function other than dopamine metabolism, which increases oxidative stress leading to dopaminergic neuron death/dysfunction. based on this, the risk/reward ratio of disabling MAO-B is highly favorable, off-target effects are the only concern here, in which case rasagiline may act similarly without the amphetamine metabolites.

>>5302 ah yes you're obviously so medically trained that you know which interact. and you're so obviously informed as to speak to others' background and understanding. and it's so obvious you're just some pharmaphile out to try and derail other people's lives with irresponsible "non"-advice.

>>5302 I was mainly talking about the reported effects of selegiline on enhancing some forms of memory which seems to only occur in the elderly for example here https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0278584696000140 There probably are better ways to protect dopamine receptors.

>>5302 Actually before I forget. Anything that increases BDNF protects dopamine receptors. So selegiline isn't necessary and as I said it probably isn't useful for memory until you're old in age so unless better evidence comes of it's longevity promotion or if you aren't using it for depression treatment no point in taking it. https://www.nature.com/articles/35075193 Also what's up with the valproic acid? >>5299 Unless you have manic episodes or seizures or depression or schizophrenia I don't see any potential benefit. The fact it may be anti cancer is useless considering it likely causes damage to the renal system. You would be trading off one illness for another.

>>5304 >better ways to protect dopamine receptors maybe, nothing that ive come across though. the research on its pharmacology really is promising, no need to have an aversion to it just because its used as a pharmaceutical rather than a supplement, especially since these chemicals have gone through multiple clinical trials/studies and have very comprehensive documentation. >>5319 that study showed increases in D3 receptors but not D2 or D1, heightened/agonized D3 is associated with compulsive behavior and addiction. D2 is upregulated by physical exercise, which also heightens BDNF, and is associated with more positive things like reduced latent inhibition, improvements in parkinsons, and improved impulse control. if selegiline 'isnt necessary', neither is huge doses of NALT or other dopamine precursors, which actually increase oxidative stress in the same way L-DOPA does, both have functionally similar outcomes ie increased dopamine availability. also, valproic acid is more strongly linked to liver damage, endocrine disturbances, and metabolic dysfunction (only with chronic use). it does have the benefit of upregulating BDNF and other nerve growth factors though, and while slightly weaker as a gabaergic, it doesnt seem to induce tolerance to the same degree as benzodiazepines/phenibut. its arguably the least compelling thing on the list, and has restricted usage scenarios as a nootropic, but HDAC inhibitors in general are an interesting class of drugs, the ketogenic diet is also interesting for this reason. also, BDNF isnt the silver bullet of healthy brain function since excessive amounts for extended periods can cause premature depletion of neuronal stem cells. >>5303 thanks king

>>5326 D3 is involved in cognition too though.

>>5329 typically D1 is considered the most important receptor in cognition, the D2-like family (inc. D2, D3, D4) are inhibitory, and more involved in reward, particularly D3 which is upregulated by many different addictive things and contributes to a sensitized reward response. BDNF is an anabolic signalling molecule, and hence part of the bodies anabolic system which is designed to be activated when there is a lack of stressors, plentiful food etc, so it makes sense that it would downregulate functions which are most useful in times of stress, like heightened environmental awareness and low latent inhibition, and instead upregulate functions which contribute to, lets say, a heightened hedonic response to indulgence. if you are going to upregulate dopamine receptors you are better off upregulating D1-like for cognitive enhancing effects or specifically D2 for faster learning/creativity. how that can be done reliably+safely is not something i know of, but cycling of D2 agonists (as in eg bromocriptine) may provide similar benefits. (there are no selective D1 agonists commercially available)

>>5373 Well point being made was D3r increase sounds good under right conditions not that it's a solve all. Wouldn't an uptake in D2 receptors cause an effect and side effect like first gen antipsychotics though? I may be confusing how receptor density effects things though. You may find thymoquinone (from nigella sativa) interesting. It's an HDAC inhibitor, ACHe inhibitor, may increase BDNF (though mixed results in studies), protector of glutamate toxicity at NMDAR and is renalprotective.

>>611 >wakalert is this some sort of legal modafinil?

Asked my doctor to prescribe me Modafinil over Adderall, anybody want to give me a rundown on what to look out for? I wanted to switch because I wanted to lessen my dependency on stimulants.

I'm considering starting a stack for "repair" - I've suffered several untreated concussions over the course of my life, and been exposed to harmful amounts of heavy metals. At this point I have a worsening stutter, visual snow/tinnitus, and a variety of cognitive symptoms. I know "detox" in particular is a magnet for scammers. Does anyone have any recommendations/warnings for these specific problems?

>>5845 I do not have ADHD so this is my perspective of someone using it purely for increased brain performance and less sleep: In using it for around 3 years essentially daily I had zero dependency. Actual dependency I mean. I stuck to strictly 1 pill a day (200mg) unless I pulled an all nighter then it was occasionally 2 pills. It pleasantly boring in its effect: First week, I felt a bit robot like with muted emotions (and that made me very very happy, lol), then it was just a feeling of not tired. No shaking or excitement like caffeine. Cons: I tended to push more and more when it came to no sleep, settled around 4-5 hours of sleep a day which was definitely not good since the idea was to use it to become smarter, not to stay awake longer. Learning effect was mild but pleasant: I had less motivational troughs throughout the day, still it was easy to have motivation for the wrong stuff like wasting time in front of the PC. Moda will not turn you into a better man, it will make it easier for yourself to turn into a better man.

>>5849 I'd also love to learn more about repair, hope someone gets back to you.

>>5849 Exactly what metals though? Just go to a doctor and have chelation therapy. I assume that can be dangerous to try yourself since if you do it wrong you can flush out things you need like calcium and zinc. To repair your brain you should be focusing on essential amino acids and something anti-inflammatory. After brain injury the brain may have a tendency to be inflamed for some time after.

I go for a run every day, and optimize my bedroom for sleep. Tea (not chamomile) and low doses of magnesium can help with producing an altered mental state

For my anxiety I tried > megadosing vitamin C > megadosing inositol > Sam-e >b-vitamin complex > creatine Can't say I've noticed any benefits...

>>5801 Wakalert is branded Armodafinil, depending on where you are it may be more or less legal than moda itself.

Doc gave me Welbutrin XL, it's been helping my focus and motivation, any concerns like SSRI's? I tend to get SAD Dec-Jan. I was likely misdiagnosed as ADD (Inattentive) since honestly I just didn't give a soykaf about school and had soykaf parents. Grades went up when I got off. Pretty sure taking Amphetamines/Methyl from 1st to 10th grade fuarrrked my head.

>>5924 have you tried ashwagandha and rhodiola rosea anon?

What happens when someone takes classic psychedelics with nootropics? I know LSD and psilocybin mushrooms make the brain more flexible and more like a child's brain in that fluid inteligence is raised. Would that just fry someone's brain where they get rewired to hallucinate or would the psychedelics increase the effectiveness of some nootropics? Does anyone know about this?

>>6290 LSD microdosing potentiates most stimulants(as well as being a strong, long-lasting stimulant itself), and most noots would qualify as stimulants. Don't know about psilocybin. Considering that both LSD microdosing and nootropics have really variable and subjective effects that are hard to measure, there's no real hard answers.

>>5845 less creative thoughts, more focus, less interest in your projects and stuff in general. Mixing with weed won't help. I think noots basically dont work. Do cardio eat healthy and cold turkey caffiene, I think this is the best way, but most boring

My stack : >1600mg phenibut faa >2mg clonazepam >500mg caffeine >20ml 10mg of nic salt >1200mg gabapentin ...

>>6835 I'm about two months late but 500mg caff sounds like a lot. I normally take no more than 300mg. Is that due to tolerance build up or just how you respond to it naturally?

>>6290 Combining stimulants with standard doses of psychs can end badly. Stimulants can already cause things like anxiety which isn't a good combination with Psychedelics. I can't imagine using ones like mushrooms which are borderline sedating while also being stimulated would be too pleasant either.

>>7315 Not every noot is a stimulant though. For example ones that either raise BDNF or mimic it. I would think there may be bad results in case of BDNF as it may cause HPPD in theory.

>>5 get some new stims bro, that's way too much caffeine to take daily

I've been taking Noopept, Coluracetam, and 4’-DMA-7,8-DHF, because to my understanding they are supposed improve neuro and synaptic genisis, I cycle one week on one week off taking a pill of each before bed, I've been noticing more and more of an effect over time and my creativity and intelligence has improved (imo). I worked several very stressful and monotonous jobs for many years that took a while toll on me mentally, where I felt MUCH dumber than I had in the past, I feel like I'm getting back the mental agility though I'm still not back to where I was at my peak in the past, if I continue to see improvements I imagine I may get there. I highly recommend them. anyone have a suggestion to add to my stack?

>>8340 I'm bro 400mg daily really isn't that much, but these days I'm taking less. More like 200mg every day. I also take 2g of oxiracetam daily, split into two doses. Apart from that my daily stack is the same. If I want to be a bit more awake I throw in 100mg bromantane. Likewise if I'm feeling stressed I throw in 200mg of fl-phenibut.

>>8461 Bromantane is supposed to be anxiolytic. Have you not noticed that effect?

>>8462 Yes but it's pretty mild. For me it's about as anxiolytic as a similar amount of theanine.

Has anyone tried using cytosine as a nootropic? It has similar effects as nicotine but slightly different nicotinic receptor activity.

>>8469 No, I've considered it, but then I found gwern's writings: https://www.gwern.net/Nootropics#cytisine Although his writings on nicotine are kind of strange, so he likely does not have an authoritative opinion on it. Still, probably better to just go for nicotine.

>>8473 Been trying nicotine for a while and all I acomplished was nausea. Maybe I jumped doses too much though. Went from 3mg to 6mg iirc.

>>8474 Yeah you have to watch the dose. Either that or build up tolerance, which happens pretty fast with nicotine. Personally I would say nicotine undeniably has stimulating effects and it's helped me in the past, but often times it makes me too shaky or is too euphoric. I use these snus like (but tobacco free) pouches, even the fairly weak ones are too strong, but you can just keep it in for a much shorter amount of time, mabe even reuse the pouches if it doesn't disgust you. It's the same story with nicotine gum, although with the 2mg ones I don't have such issues. I'm not sold on whether people should actually try to use it as a nootropic, it has too high an addiction potential. Although I've managed to use the habit forming tendencies as a strength in the past. I hope at least some of this is interesting.

>>8477 I plan on only using it spaced out enough my tolerance isn't raised so I don't become addicted. I just want something to help me remember things I am reading. Though I heard nicotine by itself isn't so addictive as smoking because different chemicals contribute to that. I was using nicotine gum because I felt too awkward going into the local vape shop to get nicotine pouches or lozenges because I expected imminent social interaction.

Last time I tried racetams I accidentally mixed them with caffeine and had a panic attack. I also found that my sleep schedule got rather messed up when I had them too late into the day. I have a panic disorder so I've stayed away from racetams since then; are there any that help you perform without causing anxiety? I really enjoyed the performance enhancement during tests/studying from racetams.

>>9459 Have you tried aniracetam? It's calming and has a noticeable anxiolytic effect for a lot of people

>>9464 It obviously won't be as powerful as pheylpiracetam, but would I notice any memory improvements with ani?

Has anyone tried polygala tenuifolia? I did 200 mg sublingual (under my tongue for 3 minutes) and felt a very apparent mood lift and slight stimulation within 20 minutes. It has some phytochemicals that act as a serotonin–norepinephrine–dopamine reuptake inhibitor and a NMDA antagnoist. Not sure what aspects I'm feeling.

>>9464 Hi I've tried aniracetam with and without alpha gpc + fladrafinil and I've found aniracetam by alone to literally make me a flaming dickhead which is a shame because I thought it would have some useful anxiolytic properties.. Other people have reported it makes them angrier too while oxiracetam doesn't.. I just bought 50g of this shiz though.

>>9507 How is fladrafinil compared to adrafinil/modafinil?

>>9504 It's a weird one with bio-availability issues. Sometimes sublingual feels like a very low dose of cocaine (fake confidence, desire to socialize, motivation) sometimes it's just feels like a weak dissociative. Sometimes it doesn't work at all. Oral dosing almost never has an effect.

>>9515 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25638027/ >In vitro, Yuanzhi-1 had a high affinity for SERTs, NETs, and DATs prepared from rat brain tissue (Ki=3.95, 4.52 and 0.87nM, respectively) >Moreover, Yuanzhi-1 potently inhibited the uptake of serotonin (5-hydroxytryptamine; 5-HT), norepinephrine (NE) and dopamine (DA) into rat brain synaptosomes (Ki=2.12, 4.85 and 1.08nM, respectively) Someone should extract that from Polygala, those Ki values are great. it would probably be recreational.

>>9515 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25638027/ >In vitro, Yuanzhi-1 had a high affinity for SERTs, NETs, and DATs prepared from rat brain tissue (Ki=3.95, 4.52 and 0.87nM, respectively) >Moreover, Yuanzhi-1 potently inhibited the uptake of serotonin (5-hydroxytryptamine; 5-HT), norepinephrine (NE) and dopamine (DA) into rat brain synaptosomes (Ki=2.12, 4.85 and 1.08nM, respectively) Someone should extract that from Polygala, those Ki values and ratios are great. it would probably be recreational.

>>2 Hey guys, what (cheap) noots would you recommend for paying attention / absorbing information at school?

>>9679 Exercise, dropping sugar and corn syrup from your diet, and stretching + meditation / practicing mindfulness.

>>1747 They are very relaxing, if taken for pain expect similar results to alcohol. That is to say they work, but not as well as painkillers. I don't work as well when I take them, so I save them for the afternoon.

I am pretty new to /drug/, I've done alcohol and weed, but want to start with nootropics. Should I just buy some L-Theanine and caffene to start out with? I do drink quite a bit of coffee during the day already, and want to add some L-theanine to this.

>>9911 That's how I started around a year ago. I've recently added Noopept to my stack, it's pretty good so far.

>>9911 > L-Theanine and caffeine yes, literally the most effective nootropics with little to no ill effects. Can't go wrong with it. Just a word of advice, though: don't be fuarrrking around when you take the L-Theanine. Personally, I get really focused when I take it, but if I take it while I'm doing something dumb (e.g., browsing an imageboard), all my attention will be shifted to the dumb thing instead of my work. By the way, rate my stack lainons: caffeine - a cup of aeropressed coffee l-theanine - 200 mg bacopa monnieri - 320 mg ginkgo biloba - 120 mg (note: I will probably stop taking this when I run out as the science seems iffy on it) vitamin d3 (not a nootropic but lord knows I don't get enough sunlight)

This l-theanine stuff sounds interesting, do you just take it in the morning or do you have to tale it along with the caffeine at the time?

Where the fuarrrk do I find phenibut in the UK

What do you guys think of drinking tea (Gyokuro, Matcha) as a source of L-Theanine? Cringe or based?

>>9923 The l-theanine content in matcha is too variable and even then isn't the best caffeine to l-theanine ratio. Just take it as a supplement.

>>2 BCAA all the way... Pros >BCAAs promotes muscle synthesis (39) >BCAAs improved endurance and boosts stamina (40) >BCAAs reduce the Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness (DOMS) (41). >BCAAs prevent exercise-induced muscle damage (42) >BCAAs can provide energy for exercise and workout if needed (43) >BCAAs are a great source of new glucose production when needed (44) >BCAAs are beneficial in insulin sensitivity (45) >BCAAs can boost weight loss and yet maintain muscle mass (46) >In certain cases of liver cancer, BCAAs can help reduce water retention and decreasing the risk of premature death by nearly 7 % (47) >BCAAs are an excellent low-calorie energy booster cons >Not suitable for pregnant and lactating mothers >BCAAs may negatively affect blood sugar metabolism >BCAAs can reduce serotonin production and cause mood disorders >Low serotonin level can also hamper with your sleep cycle Isn't sleep avoidance a pro? >May dysregulate other protein metabolism >May cause vitamin B complex deficiency >BCAAs are pretty expensive in comparison to most of the other protein supplements

>>9931 A genuine reduction in need for sleep would be holy Grail level given how badly most people are sleep deprived nowadays. That's not what disruption in sleep cycle is though, it just messes with your sleeping schedule which will make you get less sleep overall.

What kind of coffee do you guys drink? I don't really have the facilities for anything other than instant at work, is there such a thing as good instant coffee?

>>9941 the only decent instant coffee I've found is Kenco, which is a British brand I think.

>>9921 I just take it with any dose of caffeine, ratio 1:2 caff:thea

>>9923 Part of the appeal of tea is the ritualized nature of it. Green tea takes some know-how to prepare and drink properly, even if you're using the cheap bagged stuff. It's like how smokers find part of their relief in simply lighting up, or passing the bong. The psychological impact, for me, complements the very slight physiological impact of the caffeine and l-theanine. I also like the taste of matcha.

>>9942 I have a lot of south American import brands where I live, I prefer drinking instant espresso instead of instant coffee, because it's more versatile and you get more bang in a smaller cup. >>9952 >a man of culture

I'm on Concerta (18 mg), can I smoke weed in the evening or is it a bad idea

>>9954 >mixed use of only two drugs baby numbers.

asking here because not wasting a thread what is a cheap and safe drug i can buy online, been smoking weed for the past few years and want to try something new

>>9954 Back in college I got really high while on my daily dose of concerta, I think it was 36mg at that time. You'll be fine lainon.

I've been taking a variety of vitamins on and off, but few that could be considered "Nootropic". I have recently taken to Gingko Bilobo (60mg). Do not believe the skeptics, this soykaf works. I take this twice a day with 3 Fish Oil (1200mg) capsules (containing 300 mg Omega-3) a day. I have previously tried Brain Force Ultra, but have purchased regular Brain Force that has yet to come in the mail. Some people say that Vitamin D3 is a nootropic, and I was on 10,000 IU a day until I ran out two or three weeks ago. I plan to buy some more. Other supplements I've taken on and off include Nascient Iodine (various effects), Vitamin B12 (mood, energy, vitality), Zinc, Vitamin C (large amounts for Wuhan Flu), Magnesium (because zinc depletes it) and many more. I had a drink mix made from beet powder, and another made from wheat grass and various mushrooms but those are depleted. I was taking Kratom on and off since 2017 until I discovered that continued use of Kratom causes side-effects which essentially turn you into a hyper-talkative babbling near-suicidal retard. I have not delt with pharmacuticals in a long while and have an aversion to them, but I have considered Lithium as it is a natural supplement. Of course, my /real/ nootropic effect comes from subliminal tapes, hypnosis, binural entrainment, and NLP practices. Once those things kick in (usually takes a few months) you go far in a short amount of time, such as myself at >>>/lambda/29649

>>10065 Holy soykaf someone that actually purchased brain force. Do you think s o y is bad for men? Why are Paul's lips so moist?

>>10069 Yes, I had the Brain Force Ultra, which was a reworked tincture. Now I have purchased the original formulation which is in a capsule. I believe that Soy is one of many Phytoestrogenic compounds in the modern diet, but I believe microplastics are larger contributors to xenoestrogenation of men. I don't know why Paul's lips are moist. Must be a Britbong thing.

>>10065 Gingko made me super irritable but it did seem to have a nootropic effect. >subliminal tapes, hypnosis, binural entrainment, and NLP practices Can you provide some pointers here?

>>10070 So why does brainforce have soy in it if its so bad for men? Do you consume dairy products? The Soy thing is fuarrrking dumb

>>10071 Well, the entire thing is truly a science so study is nessesary but to explain simply there are 4 known brainwave frequencies in the human brain, all organized by their hertz range. The are Beta, Alpha, Theta, and Delta. The brain can be put into these states through an effect known as BInaural Entrainment where two seperate audio tones are played through headphones, and the brain renders this as a third audio tone halved of the two. Your brain fluxes into these states naturally but by artificially inducing them, it allows for a more digital kind of vibration. This kind of stuff was used in Project MKULTRA and Project Stargate. While the brain is in these states, it is also more reeptive to subliminal information. A literal programming state is in the lower frequencies. Some (but not all) utilyze this to allow subliminal (or liminal) messages to play and enter the subconcious. Of course, subliminals do have affect without entrainment. The Youtube channel 30 Minute Mindset is a wonderful catalogued example of subliminal tapes for health and wellbeing. Hypnosis is its own field. Being here, I hope that no one is stupid enough to respond "I don't believe hypnosis is real." Entering a light trance is another natural state. You trance all the time. Long car ride, looking out the window? That's a trance. It's just that those that dedicate themselves trance deeper. In your hypnosis trance you can enter programs. One program I still have running is that when a bad memory comes back up I stop myself, I force myself to look at the memory, and I fast forward and rewind until it turns black and white like an old movie, which it is. One example of a program. NLP is another science coming from psychology which uses certain linguistic techniques to influence the thinking of another. It is an entire field of study. These are only basic examples. It took me quite a few years to be able to actually make it work. I have been doing meditation and hypnosis tapes most of my life though. Lucid Dreaming, different states, Quantum Jumping, total psychonautia. That's the higher-end. The Law of Attraction is real, study the Seven Hermetic Principles.

>>10086 >>10086 A word of warning though, some subliminals are crap and some subliminals are scam. It's youtube. You got fetish soykaf too being used maliciously. Make sure you know what you're doing.

>>10083 Brain Force doesn't has soy but not as a primary ingredient, liar. Don't spread FUD. The new Brain Force doesn't have any soy. And yes, I consume dairy quite often. I am aware of the concerns but am unable to get raw milk where I currently am.

>>10092 You think plant oestrogen is bad but you have no problem consuming mammalian oestrogen in dairy? >Doesn't has >It does have it but its not a main ingredient so it doesn't >Raw milk Retard

>>10093 This thread is about nootropics, not the larger debate of the affects of Phytoestrogens on men. It was you that brought up soy at >>10069. I am not sh*lling Brain Force nor am I being paid to promote Brain Force. I only was listing supplements I presently take and have taken in the past. I think that Brain Force is a fine supplement, though there are things better and worse. I think your anger isn't at the supplement, nor at me, but rather at Mr. Jones who manufactures and sells the supplement. I will not enter a commentary or defense about him in this thread but I will say you have most likely been incredibly misled as to what he actually says and believes, and you are putting your anger out on me because I am a purchaser of his products.

I bought some kava. Gonna try it this weekend. I know it's more of a mind-altering drug than a nootropic, but I read that it can have sensory-enhancing effects and improve memory. This makes it effective as a story-telling social drug in Pacific island cultures. I'm interested to see if it's effective at making me more creative and sorting my thoughts while still letting me be functional.

>>10120 Update, it worked as described. It made me more talkative but over time the sedation kind of took over. Notably it wasn't particularly impairing, I just felt relaxed. Not much to say about memory enhancement. Not much to say about sensory enhancement either. I did feel more sensitive towards noise but more in the sense that I wanted things to be quiet so I could enjoy the silence. The biggest practical benefit is that I got excellent sleep with it. So not really good as a noot for working hours -- but it could be a really good sleep quality enhancer if you use it in moderation.

Any opinions on the superior choline source? >choline bitartrate >CDP choline >Alpha-GPC >DMAE Which one do you use and what are your subjective experiences?

>>10144 >Alpha-GPC Works well in a noopept stack, will make you extremely horny every so often though. I tend to find it gives me a pretty bad headache after it wears off, but the energy spike is undeniable

>>5257 Thanks for the idea >>5299 >Naltrexone What has been your experience with this compound?