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I'm not that knowledgeable in the subject, so I have trouble understanding what this is, but I'm still interested. Is this an alternative to TCP/IP, made with cryptography to ensure that peer-to-peer connections are 100% secure and that only those who get the message and know the password can read it?

>I think it's time we made the wired a reality. I'm all for calling it the lainet though. It would be cool if we made our own image board protocol and moved lainchan to that instead of HTTP/HTML.

>>4664 cjdns creates udp tunnels to each one of the list of peers defined in the config file. Any traffic can flow through these tunnels. The tunnel is secured through NaCl encryption. Each node is assigned an ipv6 address (also specified in the config file) so that they can reach eachothers services. In addition to this, each node functions as a router for the network. That way you can access services beyond your immediate peers. (ie. you can access services hosted on peers of peers and so forth).

>>4662 >random password generation >completely deterministic function u wot m8. Just get the first 32 (say) ASCII bytes from /dev/random.

>>4669 You guys act like either of us those are any good.

What do when quantum computers become the standard and digital gets thrown away?

I would be willing to throw a node up on my VPS.

>>4662 >>4669 I'd think you'd want to make sure you're using the Fortuna algorithm?

>>4686 Er, wait, it's a family of things, not one algorithm.

Hell yes it's about time. I need to get a firewall set up first though

>>4666 That would be hella awesome, but the only problem is that we need approval of the mods and that would be too much trouble

>>4672 Your botnet is integrated as supercomputer to, at least, stay on par with the intelligence agencies

>>4697 Why not just mirror the site instead? Or decentralize a la overchan, with nodes on "the wired" and clearnet.

>>4701 Is this site viewable over nntp? If so that would be cool to use the nntp-chan frontend to run some mirrors.

Tox ID: CB30AE1ED10C0937CFA49CADCBCC6824DC77BB385F4695716E60A50979230561584770E27F02

>>4697 Nah, we can just use a proxy that supports the protocol and retrieves the data from here.

>>4670 /dev/random and /dev/urandom is fine, using the date is definitely not. >>4686 urandom on Linux uses SHA which is fine because both urandom and random are filtered to make sure they're nondeterministic, which is what you want. A date is deterministic.

>>4707 You can use whatever you want. It just has to make a long string that cannot be guessed or memorized at a glance. The quality of the encryption is not based on the password. Here's a method using /dev/urandom that generates a 30 character string: cat /dev/urandom| tr -dc 'a-zA-Z0-9' | fold -w 30| head -n 1 Also I forgot to mention that its a good idea to chmod 600 your config file so it cant be read without some privileges.

I'm ready.

So, what are you using this for? Also, how is this better than i2p?

>>4927 Its like i2p but it has a friend to friend element. The people you decide to peer directly to know your real ip but anyone connecting to you who isn't peered with you (ie a peer of a peer) only knows the ipv6 address of your cjdrouter and not your real ip. It offers the same universal encryption throughout the network as i2p, is faster due to the trusted peer system, and is more lightweight on your system. It wasn't developed to be an anonymity layer however it hides your identity to anyone who isn't a trusted peer so it still your identity some protection. >What are you using this for? Right now I'm tryiing to get some basic services up and running so anyone who decides to join can start to host stuff if they want. I'm trying to get a bttracker running inside the net and I'll be working on getting a DNS and a site directory/announcement page running when I'm finished with exams. That's the plan for now.

>>4929 Any progress on getting services set up? I'd be happy to contribute but would like to wait until I have a secondary computer so my primary can remain stationary and constantly on.

Will this be connected to the Hyperboria network? It would be cooler if it wasn't.

>>4976 It's not connected yet, at least I can't connect to it. I wouldn't mind a link to Hyperboria somewhere, but would like the Lainet to have its own identity.

>>4977 Wanna connect to me? I'll setup a box for testing.

>>4978 Yeah, add my tox id >>4707

>>4975 yah I'm working on it. I've been testing different trackers and web servers to see how they play with the network. It turns out that most trackers that implement ipv6 do so with some sort of workaround so they tend to have problems with interacting with cjdns. Some of the guys in hyperboria seem to have gotten trackers working so ill ask them. As far as getting the announcement page up, I've gotten a vps set up wih all of the necessary software and it all seems to work. If anyone here knows where I can get some decent css templates and such please do tell, i don't have time right now to build a website from scratch due to midterms. Also if any of you have any ideas for services to have on the network just say so on the thread. If the legality of your idea is questionable, just message me over tox or send me encrypted mail.

>>4977 >>4976 I did some more research on Hyperboria. I think that as this network (hopefully) grows, it should remain completely separate from Hyperboria, and maybe later on have a single VPS which has peers both on Hyperboria and the Lainet. I plan on setting up a separate box for this stuff anyway, but that's at least a year or so off. I also have to figure out how I'm going to run cjdns when I go back to college. Maybe I can convince the IT there to forward my port?

I would like to help with this in the future, but I have nothing to host a node with as of now

>>5002 is there anything I can do?

>>5002 Get a cheap VPS?

>>5003 >>5002 This. >>5004 Really, it's as simple as buying a shit old computer with a working ethernet port and putting something like OpenVZ on it. It's what I plan to do once I have a bit more money For that to effective of course it requires a good internet connection.

>>5007 Check out lowendbox, they list cheap VPS deals. The specs are usually good compared to the price, but usually something is broken and you need to do some tinkering. I have always had trouble with venet openvz internet connections in cheap VPS boxen.

>For random password generation: date +%s | sha256sum | base64 | head -c 32 ; echo HOW ABOUT NO, I have no clue what this thread is about but don't EVER derive your passwords from the time, that's what /dev/urandom is for -.-

>>5017 cat /dev/urandom| tr -dc 'a-zA-Z0-9' | fold -w 30| head -n 1 If you have any other questions feel free to ask.

>>5011 When you think about it, $15/mo. for a very good VPS isn't a lot. You probably spend more on snacks and beer. Its one 12-pack.

>>5011 I'd like to have my own VPS as opposed to renting one. But if running a cjdns node in my university's network isn't an option then I'll probably use this. It won't be an issue until a year from now, though, and I'll probably set up a RasPi as a shit-tier VPS. I'm going to buy one for hardware automation anyway

>>5067 Full retard. The only way you "own" a VPS is to own the underlying server as well.

>>5096 I'm saying that I want to own the underlying server. If that's not an option in the future then I'll use something like lowend box

>>4976 We probably wont be officially linking to hyperboria. I say officially because it is hard to know exactly who your peers have peered with other than you so we may inadvertently get linked with hyperboria nodes on accident. Just kind of the way it goes. Anyways a brief update, I set up a webserver this weekend to host a wiki or whatever you guys think would be a good first site for us to have on this thing. I have opentracker installed on my pi and it is tracking peers over the network it just isn't relaying the ips of said peers to eachother for some reason so they can connect to complete the file transfer.

>>5011 If you were having problems with nmap over the venet interface, try using a newer version. Latest should work, as does the version in wheezy-backports.

has anyone managed to get this working on a Pi?

The tracker is up and running. The only client I could get to use the network without any bs was transmission. rtorrent and deluge didn't like to talk to other peers on the network for some reason. Announce address: http://[fc61:b3e9:e119:28cb:f902:6257:4dd3:630d]:6969/announce Make sure to open the port 51413 for transmission on whatever software firewall you are using because I'm not sure if uPnP plays nice. I'm going to try to set up a wiki along with a .torrent file directory this weekend. >>5165 yah this tracker is running on one.

Wiki is up. http://[fcbf:efba:86f8:5d20:da3d:7d16:9cc6:f7cb] Any suggestions for the first few pages? Also, it is open so anyone connected can add pages if they want. Just add the link to the main page so we can find it.

>>5228 How about a FAQ, or some sort of quickstart page for setting up services?

I'm interested, heres my tox ID 7092ACFA59C4D0E734D9E7249AC5D27FF486795C647F0118D6807B2D43D1823EB19A6F3F9456

Is there still interest in this? I don't have a lot of time these day but if there is still people interested I can try making a Dockerfile that would make it easy to install and run a node.

>>5904 I'm still interested, and somalian is still contributing. I'm still waiting on >>5598 to possibly set up a node. If you could create a Dockerfile that would be great. It seems like the biggest barrier to entry has been the complexity of setting up a stable node.

>>5910 I started making the Dockerfile to get a CJDNS node running easily, I'll try to put it on github soon. Also, I am >>5598 I just got very busy with university and didn't have any time to do it yet.

Ok here it is https://github.com/Lacsap-/docker-lainet It build successfully and generate a config file on first run. I didn't do anymore testing but if you configure the config file it should work. Feel free to fix some things and create issues if there are any problem. (there will be)

>>5927 How much memory does it need? Just wondering if I can run it on my cheap as soykaf vps.

>>5930 One of my nodes (on an ass-tier netbook) is currently using about 20k of my RAM, and rarely uses more than %3 of my CPU time. It's very lightweight. >>5927 Thanks for this, I might look into Docker. It really looks neat.

>>5930 CJDNS looks lightweight enough by itself, I'm not sure about how much ressource the docker installation itself would take thought. (I did almost no test on it yet) >>5932 I'm happy to help.

>>5927 Thanks for making this. I've been pretty busy as of late, but I'll have time later this week to test it out. I'll also make one, maybe two new nodes during this week as well. I'm thinking of making this one into a mail server or an xmpp server or both.

>>6076 No problem, I didn't even have time to test it myself so feel free to give me some feedback on it.

>>4662 I made an IRC server which is only accessible from the lainet. It is reachable at fc38:3cc4:faf:a7e5:9fb6:60d:7d3c:f64c on port 6667 I really need more people to connect with my node thought because my only link to the Lainet right now is trough Zannix. If his node ever go down the whole IRC will go down. If you are interested in linking with me add me on tox ( 7092ACFA59C4D0E734D9E7249AC5D27FF486795C647F0118D6807B2D43D1823EB19A6F3F9456 ) or message me at lacsap@cock.li

Just finished setting up the stuff for cjdns on my piece o crap computer. Couple questions. To host content, servers will either need to be outside of a NAT or have port forwarding, right? But to consume content, people just use a normal connection? I've never done cjdns before, looks pretty cool. here's my tox id too: 644E90D6430FCE855F4E7BDEF4BA3C3DF0B92B05F0723B2507CFD6E923EEDB74F377B613E936

>>6625 I'm not sure if I got your post right, but… Once your computer is connected to the lainnet, it doesn't matter if it's behind nat or whatever. Once the ipv6 tunnel is set, everything works. If youre behind nat, find a peer who isn't and connect to him

I just made a git repo with some instructions for how to connect to the network. Should be pretty easy. Add whatever you think is missing. https://github.com/chudeki8/LainNet

>>6668 Do we really want the lainnet to be so publicly accessible? I thought it was more closed to foreigners

>>6686 as someone not contributing to the project yet, I think it would be a lot cooler if it were accessible to foreigners

>>6688 I considered making an open gateway earlier, but I realized that people connected through a gateway can't host anything or contribute to the network bandwidth, and just serve to make the network more centralized. If enough people want one though I'll host it for a while just to increase traffic and hopefully get some more people to adopt. >>6625 you just need to forward whatever udp port that was generated in your config file on your router. That's it. You don't need to open any other ports to the outside if you are just planning on passively contributing and browsing. For services you want to host on cjdns, just open the appropriate port with iptables on the actual machine you're hosting it on. Again your home router doesn't require any additional ports to be opened to the outside other than the udp port.

>>4976 >the Hyperboria network You know, I hadn't been using Hyperboria, but only since I figured it was more of hardware project and presumed that I would need local peers to connect to. They don't need to connect, but I should try it out already. >>6686 The idea is for it to be like the wired, which is all electronic communication mediums connected as a single network somehow. I doubt that would lend itself to exclusivity.

>>6686 >>6716 The point of cjdns is to make the network decentralized, not closed. We don't want a publicly accessible node that anyone on the Internet can access, since that centralizes the network to one or two nodes. Rather each node should have at least several peers, ideally physically close to each other. However, making a node easy to set up (>>6668 >>5927) is exactly what we need right now. We need peers more than anything.

>>6692 well, I'll probably do that when I can, so it's not that important. Just need to find a free VPS host, or get a stable income to pay for a cheap one.

>>6718 If you have a raspberry pi or any old computer you can run one at home.

>>6718 If you are looking for something cheap I would recommend a VPS from Digital Ocean. My node is running there for 5$/month.

If anyone wants to connect through my node, tox me D41921DFF91ED45DD242A8412B4FE98B051B154CBD6950020BCEEA65DB3A6159A103233B448E

Bump. We have about 10 peers already, with several servers. 67D122A594943E2FA80EE7BC0F40D5B5E3B827939991FBFCB0744B6DE4363F24CF2D78C44B2C

This looks awesome. I'd seen cjdns a while back but didn't really see much to connect to. I'll set up a node when I get the chance, might be several days though, the only machine I'd be willing to run 24-7 has a dying drive. More out of curiosity than anything, what content is up there now? I have pretty awful bandwidth but I'm sure I can find something fun to load up to the wired. Might even be a fun hacking session to make something for the lainnet… Extinctathon, maybe?

>>6997 Atm we have an irc server, wiki, torrents, and couple of ftp servers. Planning to set up image upload service, pastebin service, git server, and something like a forum.

>>6998 Also we are making an irc bot in python for lainirc.

Sounds like it's going well, will have to set up tox and get on this. >>6999 Why not Haskell?

>>7003 The bot was already started by a member of the network, so it was just decided to go along with that.

>>6998 this is fuarrrking awesome, i'm cloning it now

>>7006 alright. i think for now i'd prefer to stay on the consumer side, can someone dump his // Nodes to connect to. "connectTo": { // Add connection credentials here to join the network // Ask somebody who is already connected. } config or something?

>>6998 Actually a forum or messageboard was something I was thinking about. I was thinking that a cool/fun way to do it would be to require signing a message with a namecoin id, so you could have a zero-login but still non-anonymous board. There would have to be some spam defense, but it might actually work pretty well.

>>7009 PLEASE DO NOT DUMP YOUR CONFIGS. I'd ask that you do some more research on cjdns before making posts like these. That aside, because we are a small network right now and the nature of cjdns is to decentralize the network to each user, I think each user joining needs to contribute something. If you want to discuss this further, here is my tox ID: 8BEE9A4A6F96DCFC2890F08736DFD7C4D195F0A9D1FA81ACDCDA55192B216C7779959BBFC617

Bump. We have a simple messageboard and a pastebin up and running now, along with a couple of FTP servers.

>>7012 That's pretty cool. You guys say you'd like anyone joining to contribute something. I can certainly do something, although I am on pretty limited bandwidth. Any suggestions as to what you would like / need?

>>7013 Well, some ideas include an image upload service, an imageboard, and a git repo. Simply contributing hardware is helpful, as the more peers there are the faster the network becomes. Of course, if you want to contribute a service, make sure that it can run 24/7 without issues.

>>7014 I don't have the bandwidth for an imageboard… A git repo is possible, though I guess it depends on what people are writing. Perhaps I'll do something less useful and more fun. But at the least I've got hardware.

>>4701 You're talking about this overchan, right? http://anonet2.biz/Overchan.html

>>7048 Yup. It looks like it'd be much more of a hassle to leave lainchan's Tinyboard + vichan implementation for something like that, though. A shared /wired/ board could be fun though.

I've added every TOX ID's but nobody is online. Is lainnet still up? Can you add me? 7DABF05531AA75BDF5143FADCE77187075CA4FDCEABF59DF73CE2570FF072D3CCD05AFD4BA75

I just got my raspberry pi setup, it was pretty painless

>>7049 what if we just hosted a gateway to the wired on lainchan?

>>7363 woohoo, i'm part of lainnet now! need to peer myself with more nodes

>>7368 Do you mean the other way around? A gateway to lainchan only, hosted on the lainet.

>>7430 no, I was thinking more like if there was lainchan.org/wired and when you went there it was a client for browsing on the wired. But now that I think about that it's kind of silly.

I'm up for this. Can someone add me? A6721BC308B37D14B5C9A6399C4E3CA88CB75106F35DA7415CF7D6352ED8312B8854D7B7387F

>>6738 this is me. That tox is no longer valid reach me at 69A5640247B3411016A306EA5991AAEC5327F4BA38F6F232BAACFC4E663CCF1172A510010802 or kahiru@openmailbox.org if you want to peer up

You think you could stick a JanusVR room in this thing? Because if you could…

>>7629 It looks like it could be possible, only thing is I'm not sure if it supports ipv6.

Is there a decent FOSS alternative to JanusVR we could use in teh lainet?

>>7629 This would be great.

Have you guys considered setting up a OpenSim server? It's FOSS Second Life.

>>7752 I may do it sometime in the future, but if someone wants to step up and host one it would be a welcome addition to the Lainet.

this looks cool so I will put up a node on my VPS as soon as I have tun/tap support enabled tox: 587905104D2B46F8AADC1BAA2806A800B381D9BCB9306E395BEF30EC31D5BC661605D01CFA57

>>8015 got everything ready and waiting but no ones on tox

>>8016 I added you but you didn't show up. Did you approve any requests? My tox: 9C3AAF1B0109001FA3A64851308F5B634CA6E0FBAA8D5437A81BAF8ED962BC42270A5427F153

>>8026 I believe that we are experiencing timezone difficulties. If anyone would like to come on tox right now we can sort this out

Anyone had any luck getting this to work with venet devices?

>>8033 I haven't tried it myself but I've read about the limitations of venet interfaces on the openvz wiki and there doesn't seem to be any specific limitation that would prevent cjdns from running over a virtual interface.

>>8256 There is a limitation. venet devices dont' provide mac addresses. i just switched over to veth

going to be adding a node after work, would be nice if I could have a few nodes in my inbox by the time i get back! Open to ideas on services to be run! TOX: 264F220429B59B3A1683DFE13ECD252E7B1327D479E5D5FD1A15CCEA265B18780B1B87D0F08D

>>8413 Finished adding my node, message sheep on the irc if you want to pair up. how would everyone feel about a mail server? thinking of setting up something with postfix / dovecot / roundcube

I nuked my laptop by accident. Here's my new tox ID: CA98A41B9019B20959846A5DE3106E5304D82F3F0451856F90555C082298D632E3A3F73374B7

>>8429 I advise against microwaving your laptop, the rate of positive aftereffects is not high

we now have a mailserver up and running! awaiting the commit to lainet-dns for the domain name, pm me on irc for an account! http://[fc26:54c2:9066:3fb5:c20f:e092:cec1:9c2b]

>>7011 I'd like to join, but what can I contribute? Tox ID by the way is 34F3548519339916D5BA93389BC4F4A62F0981591EA24C2D630CB4D36F0AF46C5667D865F7D7

>>4662 If any of you are having problems running the master branch of cjdns try downgrading to the most recent stable branch or the abandoned-v14 branch to fix the issues until they release a functioning master branch. I say this because I've been having issues for the past few days and it seems some other lainet sites are as well.

there will be an overchan at http://[fcc5:3cf4:d2db:8258:d9d1:f073:52fa:4b3]/ when the time is right

>>8913 Do you mean there will be an overchan front end syncing with the existing tor sites or a whole new nntpchan for lainet?

>>9135 I just visited his link, and it looks like it's connecting to the nntpchan on tor. If not, it's connecting to an nntpchan on hyperboria.

>>8913 Just out of general interest, are you connected to hyperboria? Whenever you connect, the number of nodes I find on the network mapper skyrockets.