Programming Employment

This is the Programming Employment thread, which exists for all general discussion regarding the topic. All discussion of employment not superseded by any more specific thread topic which isn't concerned with employment belongs in this thread. Do not create any threads for discussing employment, or they will be locked. It would be appropriate to discuss employment concerning a single language here, or in a thread dedicated to that language, as an example. Prefer to use this thread instead of the Beginner's General for employment questions regarding beginners, inexperience, and like topics.

I wish I still had the content from the old thread. There was some good stuff on starting your own business.

>>42928 Do you mean this thread? >>30745

I'm currently unemployed with around 2 years of work experience in internship-level positions related with data science. I'd like to prepare to secure my first "real" dev job - junior to mid level, not necessarily in the field of data science, but I'm fine with that as well. I'm open to various job positions, since I consider myself a generalist, or more accurately - not specialized, really. I enjoy C/C++ a lot (mostly for games), but since my work experience is only Python, that's mostly what I'm looking for. Do you have any tips you don't mind sharing on what to look for and what to keep in mind? How would you go about preparing for interviews if you we're in my spot?

i recently started working on the freeCodeCamp full stack development course a few months ago and i don't know where/how to start looking for internships or opportunities. i have a bit of my portfolio online but i don't have a ton. and people have kind of fuarrrked me over when it comes to payment after their websites are built so i'd like a place to go and get some actual experience that i can put on my resume.

I started to need money And there'z nothing Tech society I dreamed about at school, is ruined There's only warlord and Polizeis Should I move from writing decent code (as little people do) to armfight wallet-or-life?

I can't think of a worse time than right now to try to make a living at any coding. Companies are NOT hiring for this. Not in the US or UK, maybe in China or somewhere, where employees get mere pennies for their work.

>>43372 Just like how almost all other industries were outsourced over the decades, it's now time for expensive IT workers to all get replaced by the over 1 billion strong workforce of India, who now have fairly decent internet coverage & speeds unlike a decade ago. There is zero incentive for any employer to hire an expensive IT worker unless it requires government security clearance. Especially not one who will pester the employer over switching to Rust, Ada, Haskell or Lisp.

>>43384 Me saying this will defeat the purpose of this thread, but it's the truth; you're better off going into a mid-to-high paying trade that requires work being done in person and on-site. OTR truckers is the first example to come to mind. Electricians, plumbers, doctors, that sort of thing. If the work can be done online, it can be done in India, China, or some other cheap soykafhole.

>>43384 The big picture of this is... amazing! Because what it actually does is redistributes the wealth. This is not going to last forever, those cheaper workers getting pumped with work for lower rates will eventually boost their economy, culture and eventually rates up, and equalize things on the global scale. At least, it would look like this if you could observe this in separation from other things going on right now. Surely in practice things are muddied by AI, ongoing crises, wars, current global politics, etc.

>>43387 I can't help but to feel like that's wishful thinking. I doubt wealth is ever going to redistribute in a way that it "evens out the globe". Anyway, back to the topic ITT: How does someone enter this profession without 10 years experience or 6 years of education? Literally every job posting I see on indeed requires a freakin' mountain of credentials that I know nobody has. How are you supposed to get into this from the ground up? Going to college for a degree is unrealistic for me, I would never be able to afford it here in America.

>>43388 > I doubt wealth is ever going to redistribute in a way that it "evens out the globe". Stop thinking about it in ideals/extremities, because in real world nothing is working in it's pure ideal form. It is a considerable % of that which is already nice. It's working in that direction and contributing in that direction, it will never be the only, it will never be dramatic, it will never be possible to see things like this clearly because in real world context is always extremely complex and in superposition of million of contributing factors.

This thread really derailed. There is more debate about to even go into the industry or not compared to actual help getting into the industry.

>>43415 An accredited PhD in machine learning, natural language processing, computer vision, or other related computer science specialization would help until the bubble pops.

>>43418 The bubble will inevitably pop. But good news: it wouldn't be the first AI Winter, nor would it be the last AI boom.

>>43418 PhD in machine learning is useful if you want to be machine learning researcher or university professor. It's completely utterly irrelevant in software engineering. Being 30 y/o PhD in ML with 0 years of frontend experience is worse than being 20 y/o with 3 years of frontend experience and without any university degree whatsoever if you're looking for frontend job.

>>43415 Aaaaaaaand now we're talking about half million dollar PhD degrees... for programmers. It should not take a PhD or post doc to get an entry level coding job. That's just a waste of time.

Should I learn how to make web fr*ntend slop as a C++ programmer so I can start making things that actual real people can use (and maybe give me money for :)). I write C++ 40+ hours a week fixing bugs in fuarrrked up industrial-y software and would rather like to be able to establish my own business at some point in the future. What should I do lainons >>43302 Pythonslop devs replacement by chatgpt scheduled for yesterday.

I got my Bachelors in CS with a 3.9 GPA but after applying to over 600 jobs I have nothing to show for it. I know people say it's a "numbers game" but I am getting a positive response less than 1% of the time. If I was successfully getting interviews I wouldn't be so pessimistic. All of this is to say, I will soon be forced to pivot into being a construction worker unless divine intervention gives me a software job.

>>43479 which category was your bachelors thesis even in? machine learning?

Got laid off 2 months ago. Fullstack engineer with 4ish years experience. I've been getting interviews, but no bites. I imagine the market is overly saturated with really good candidates. My mediocre dev self is struggling lol. I'm giving it until the end of the year; if no job still, I'll go back to school for some healthcare related thing. Maybe pathology assistant.

>>43481 Undergraduate programs in the US generally don't include a thesis. I did do supervised research relating to graph neural networks though.

>>43479 You might want to get others to take a look at your resume, I notice that otherwise very strong candidates get filtered out simply because they don't connect their resume to what software jobs are looking for.

>>43489 > they don't connect their resume to what software jobs are looking for. I have trouble with this because most jobs want webdev experience and I don't really have any. I know how to write vanilla HTML and CSS and I am good with python and C++, but that's pretty much it. There's really not that many jobs that want young C++ devs, they always want experience in some JS framework or 4+ years of C++ experience. I am working on expanding my webdev portfolio but I don't know if a couple of personal projects will make a difference.

unpopular career path: PLC stuff to set up intricate machines for factories. See, I failed awfully with "computer science/information technology" uni courses. And now, I earn decent money by knowing a thing or two about Scheider Electric programming, rather than struggling with "programming in general" Thing is, mastering PLC stuff, detectors, wires, installation of hardware etc. for factories requires special courses offered by Schneider Electric or SIEMENS (in case of the SIMATIC series) or MITSUBISHI ELECTRIC or such... ...but! The education requirements sre low! Last time I checked, they only needed "graduated from high school" education

>>42742 How about we talk about the kind of programming that requires setting small yet ridiculously optimised pieces of code? Regards, >>43504 mind you, however, you won't get to enjoy syntax sugar soy. I used to ace formal logic classes in school, so maybe I had a knack for setting up PLCs and their simplistic "if ... then" commands all along, all while that's a job not for every coder.

apply to evil companies like IBM, Cisco, Oracle and play their game

>>43526 Just say that you know Java and JavaScript is enough. No matter how smart you are, these companies aren't hiring the smartest people.

>>43504 >they only needed "graduated from high school" education So, you just applied and got handed training and a job?

Jobs[.]Now claims to catch jobs that are deliberately hidden, e.g. on separate sites. The theory is that these jobs are for H1b visas only, and they hide them from the public to meet immigration criteria. They have 1000 jobs on their site right now, nearly all in software engineering. I checked it out and it seemed plausible. But one I looked at was on the main site, just not classified as "Data Science" even though the title was "Data Scientist" So apply to these jobs- even if you don't make the cut, you'll cut into corporate profits.

>>43504 >Thing is, mastering PLC stuff, detectors, wires, installation of hardware etc. for factories requires special courses offered by Schneider Electric or SIEMENS (in case of the SIMATIC series) or MITSUBISHI ELECTRIC or such... What is the course/certification called? I'm having a hard time finding anything for entry-level or "apprenticeship" programs.

>>43384 Idk about the rest of you but the offshore devs I interact with leave much to be desired. I don't think it matters to managers, PMs, etc but it makes me wonder about the future and outcomes

>>43482 same lain as above. update: still no job, but i've gotten small contracts and they are helping me stay afloat financially. now considering physicians assistant. but i don't really want to go back to school. going to reach out to some dev ops buddies and see how that's going - maybe i'll try and get into that or sec or something.

>>43479 I've been helping with interviews at my workplace and we get absolutely horrible candidates in the pipeline because HR cannot filter resumes well. I've noticed the people getting interviews are using the AI to modify their resumes to fit the job posting exactly. This gets them the interview, but then they either can't perform or obviously cheat by using AI. I bring this up to say, use AI to modify your resume and get past HR, but you must be able to perform!

Im about to finish up my job training for software development in this one company who wont be granting me full employment after due to sinking profit margins, general downsizing and the state of the tech market here in europe. Ive applied for like 70+ jobs now but its rough competing with many people with compsci bachelors and stuff. Got an Interview for a Sysadmin positon tho and another for a c# position coming up in january. I dont know any c# tho.

>>43387 A) that isn't happening if they're being paid the going rate of where they're from and no the going rate here. B) This negatively hurts us domestically as it vauses brain drain and obviously isn't solving the employment gap

>>43482 Well, how did it go?

>>43751 They're just fabricating excuses to exploit people domestically and internationally. "You will own nothing and be happy" for the whole world, foreign and domestic.

>>43756 still unemployed lol. I have an final super set interview this week tho. 4 interviews back to back - kill me. but hopefully i do well and i can escape unemployment hell

>>43362 find a quick errand first to fill your pocket then try your chances in programming. Learning can not be done for free.

>>43785 update: rejected. what an utter fuarrrking waste of my time. i'm so tired of these interviews. who thought 4 hr interviews were a good idea??? but i just scheduled another initial recruiter call for next week with another company. fingers crossed!

I was recently in Tokyo for a job assignment and want to mention two things in case anyone here might be interested in working in Japan. I talked to a hiring manager at Denso (big electronics manufacturer) who said they are greatly expanding their software development department for automotive. And I met some foreigners working in DevOps for Rakuten (they make basically everything but here it was the telecom division) who mentioned they are a very international team and also hiring a lot. >>43812 So how did it go this time?

>>43728 update: I got the sysadmin job without any sysadmin experience. Hope it will be chill and not much work. A bit bummed I wont get more on the job programming experience

>>43862 >>So how did it go this time? Hi Lain, thanks for asking. I just wrapped up the 3rd interview - it went great!! I would be surprised if they didn't move me forward. Sadly, I still have 1 more day of interviews after this (2 45 minuters back to back). I really like the team members I've interviewed with so far and I hope I get the position. But I've been burned late stage enough times now to not have high hopes... Thanks for the tips on Tokyo jobs. It would be a dream for me to work/live in Japan. My Japanese language skills aren't quite there yet, though. And their visa requirement for having a CS degree bars me until I reach 10years experience.

Hi Lainons, 6 years ago I asked a career advice from you since I skipped college and I live in 3rd world country. You said that I should just read SICP. Thank you guys, God used you guys for me to have a better path for my life. Because 6 years ago, I was really nothing and my parents doesn't even view me as very important. But after following your advice, it was a far-fetched idea, but I can't believe it worked. It was also a perfect timing that AI agents didnt exist back then. I struggled learning programming, my father owned our old computer back then so I couldn't really use it for long hours... what I did is do programming at a yellow pad paper and solve the problems from SICP and The Little Schemer before I sleep at night. The effort compounded until I became better and better. I can't thank you enough guys, may the Lord Jesus Christ bless your life lainons.

>>43482 I dunno, "imposter syndrome" is common among skilled workforce. Besides, the market is not too full given all those "we need new guys to run Ayyy Aiiii moo-dels"

>>43385 >it can be done in India, China, or some other cheap soykafhole Slavonic countries were full of online workforce in 00s and 10s. Code reviewers, testers, coders, programmers, let alone artists.

>>43887 May He bless you too anon

Greetings, I'm facing an issue I wonder if you fellow lainons are facing or have faced. We all know the job market has been terrible for about a year, with no wake in sight. I've worked for 3 years as a SWE and always been well above my peers technically and socially, went to an A- school but I can't for the life of me get an interview. The reason I think is the fact that there are too few jobs and too many juniors, with jobs requiring 5+yoe for anything close to programming. I'd like to find a way to communicate the fact that I've done extremely well in every job I've held, but haven't found any way to express this when applying. What's your strat ?

>>43887 Nice, happy for you. Here, enjoy this hymn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHk42kDwesM (And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. I pray that this post be long enough now to enter the kingdom of Lain)

>>43927 >>43927 let's try this: * clean up your social media. ** Post something new instead! Say... say, "super positive vibes", "chill out pictures" and such in case a namesake of yours appears to be a very edgy person. * Everyone either uses AI to make CVs/"resumeé" stuff... or to READ AI-made stuff. And this problem makes news! So, abandon hand-crafting your own CV resumeé * As an AI: "how do I make a decent expression of an aspiring programmer that can be trusted business-y responsibilities above basic tasks?" OVERALL IDEA: if you don't g

>>43927 >>43935 Got a 6% raise + an interview for another company meaning another big raise wagmi I'm a bit surprised my competene is being recognized, it may be just a matter of time

no python programmer will live . the LLMs take the weak.

>>43962 LLMs do just as fine with other programming languages. If anything Python actually stands some chance where normal sentences might corrupt the programming language data pool which same can not be said for some thing like C.

>>43963 if you are not making your own LLM you are done, i said python because python is the bloat language of the mental disable.

>>43479 I'm no longer destined to be a construction worker, divine intervention pulled through and got me a software job. They're paying me extremely well and I get to write C++. I wish I could say I changed something about my approach, but it was actually just crazy luck and connections that saved me. The only advice I can give is to use all of your available connections, if you are lucky enough to have any, to get a software job. Follow up with them every once in a while to see if there's any new openings.

>>43964 >bloat language of the mental disable I think the only retard here is you The only people I know who are language zealots like you are the dumbest people I've ever met. Unsurprisingly, based on your other takes, you fit into that category quite nicely I'm not even a python programmer and I still think you're retarded so let me be very succinct for your smooth and feeble AI poisoned third world redditor brain: No technical substance in your post. Reply if you want. You're a mongoloid.

A power company wants to hire me, with around double the pay of my current company. I've around 4 years of professional experience, although I've been autistically programming for over 15 years. Anyway, my problem is that it's just more of the same thing. I will not refuse this offer, there's no reason to say no. But I have a very hard time envisioning a future where I'm not completely miserable if I keep following this career path. I like programming, I've been building random stuff since very young. I've been hacking games ever since I found my first exploits in private ragnarok servers over 10 years ago. Yet, I can't consider whatever I do at my current career as programming, or even problem solving. It's always the same soykaf, same corporate culture, same everything. I feel very lost career-wise, and don't have a good idea of how to "branch off" what I currently do to something that'd better fit my autistic mind. Because I've programmed and studied computers since very young, I never got to go to an university. Even if I wanted, I don't think I can start an academic career at the age of 29, despite studying and researching beings things I've done my whole life by myself, it just doesn't feel feasible to achieve tenure starting so old academically speaking. What should I even do? Am I destined to abandon computers as a career eventually and be content with doing it purely as a hobby?

>>43992 Hey man, honestly I would say go for the PhD. Not in academia, and younger than you, but from what I see the combo of hardworking + extremely intelligent is not mandatory... a lot of the people there are hardworking + intelligent (ez 4 u just be confident). You seem to love computers, so pursuing research CS oriented sounds like what you would be happier doing... and you can always end up being one of those guys that builds a company out of his PhD thesis if you feel academia is not for you. Find a program that has funding, or that is doing research on stuff you like. If you go for an average program (not much funding, research is bandwagoning) then you might be in a same situation. You now find yourself forced to do research on something you don't like at all (what the lab has funding to do). No matter how smart you are, you can only squeeze lemon juice out of lemons. Choose wisely where you would want to do research, or with whom. And do it...

>>44002 Thanks for the words! What concerns me the most is the fact I didn't pursue any academic degree so far. To be fair, I've started a bachelors two years ago because I was already feeling like this could prove useful in the future as I was hating programming for corporate. Either way, I'd need at the very least three more years to start a phd, which by then I'd be around 32-33. In all fairness I will keep up with the bachelors and pursue a master degree eventually because this is still my fallback. But I really do not feel I can achieve tenure, especially from articles of professors I've read online.

Hi. Is there a place where I can get feedback (from a real person) about my c++ code? I would post it here, but don't know if it's the right place. c++ thread is already at reply limit and didn't wanna to make a whole new thread just for this. thank you.

Just make a new thread. Someone else will use it eventually, and it isn't like pushing threads out is a real concern on such a slow board.

Heyoo, just a rant from my side over my current work. Been working as one of the leads (or just close to a senior dev) and the amount of incompetency some developers show just makes me sick to the stomach. For context, I have always had a set standard maintained for programming instead of just having "if it works then let it be", that approach got plagued with vibe cummers coming and polluting the entire codebase and making it unmaintainable. Apparently strongly presenting your arguments make you the one they don't like. Trusting your juniors with their way to work and operate makes it my fault??? what? I am trusting you that you are a developer to write code and test PRs, you have more experience than me, maybe use that instead of just acting that! One of the developers is putting jsons into DBs? what? the other is arguing that an API service should be in Language X instead of language Y cause the service was made in language X?!?! what??? LMAO huh? If you present opinion, they stop asking for it and say "He thinks he knows everything" like if I didn't then you would have countered me in the first place eh? anyways not power tripping or anything, I just don't like to stay around garbage code and having to act nice for HR, I am nice, just not when it comes to work and I see no reason to accept substandard results. Wanted to know the views that lainchan has about it. On a different sidenote: Are there any repos which are also hiring? looking for opensource related work. can do rust or python, Doesn't matter if its AI or cryptography? Just looking to be with people smarter than me and learning with them.

>>44096 Incompetence is a widespread plague, especially in today's age of "programming". I guess the best thing I can tell you is that if you actually hear phrases like "he thinks he knows everything" and whatnot, from your team, I'd take a step back and analyze how you're expressing your ideas and defending your technical arguments. Growing up in the 2000s and being part of small programming communities back then made me very "elitist", both in the way I program today, and in the way I think/approach technology. In the end though, a lot of this is toxic behavior and most people, especially in a corporate environment, won't be able to take it. Yes they are retards. Yes they do not know anything. But if you want to keep your job, then yes, you in fact need to act nice for HR. I'm also in a similar situation, and I can't wait to be able to stop working for corporate. Cutting corners, bad practices, retarded coworkers -- there's quite literally not a single semblance of actual computer programming in this environment. I've learned to understand corporations don't care about the *art* of programming, they just want any soykafty solution to sell their products/services at. I'm using this in my favor: I play the role the HR/other retards expect me to play, I do the bare minimum work to make everyone happy (and even my bare minimum is somehow great soykaf to these plebs), while I study and do my own autisms on the side, a lot of times in work hours. At some point I'm sure I will find a place I can call "home" work-wise. Meanwhile, play the role they expect you to play, but do not give up to their game. That's how I see it at least.

>>44141 Yeah I believe that elitism definitely ruined the headspace and didn't make me ready for corporate spaces. >Incompetence is a widespread plague, especially in today's age of "programming". >I guess the best thing I can tell you is that if you actually hear phrases like "he thinks he knows everything" and whatnot, from your team, I'd take a step back and analyze how you're expressing your ideas and defending your technical arguments. Definitely, I gotta be nicer when it comes to that. I try to be nice outside of work, appreciating them and everything but when it comes to work per say, I tell them what I think at face value, directly. If a method is bad, I call it out. Ask them to refactor or I tell them to prove me wrong which I take it to the chin whenever I am. I hope we both find a place we can call home work wise :D cheers to non soykafty solutions Thanks for the response!

I've been looking for work lately. Geographically pinned down to a non-ideal location because gf has a really good internship and we'd rather not go long distance. So it's either remote work or applying for a very small pool of local jobs, mostly at banks. My question: should I be only looking for work near my areas of expertise, or should I try for any and all software jobs? I'm confident in my ability to learn enough skills to do practically any entry-level work, the question is more whether I can get an interview. So far I have only been applying for work that I am specialized in with no luck. There are very few options.

>>44148 I should mention that I do have about 3 years of professional experience in my specialty, and I've got an advanced degree to back it up as well.

>>44148 I don't know I'm really retarded. BUT, I can say that it has been my experience as a software engineer that the critical component to success in this role is fast learning. from my perspective, i don't really get paid to "write code". i get paid to learn how to use this framework that library etc etc. the faster i learn that and the better i learn to do it, the more success i see. the people around me who could "program" but couldn't continue to learn more, they failed, past tense! My answer to your question is I don't know because I'm retarded. But I would offer the guess that you should look for any and all software jobs. if you can learn to do one you can learn to do any, and the capacity to do that degree of learning reliably is itself is half of if not the whole key.

>>44175 You say you're retarded, but you're the one with the wisdom.

what would you guys recommend for degrees (if any) i might do something science or engineering or just find a job

>>44229 Nursing. It's the only career that's shown any job growth.

>>42742 What I can do: - writing programs in Python and Haskell (such as.: text analyzers, graph plotters, animations) - making websites (including: basic animations, basic chat functionalities) using HTML, CSS, JavaScript and PHP What I know (but rarely use): - ssh - pgp What I know in theory (but never used in practice): - git - SQL What job experience I have: - absolutely nothing What relevant degrees/titles/certifications I have: - absolutely nothing What is the quickest path to get a job (or any stable source of income) with these premises?

>programming >employment Choose one.

>What I know (but rarely use): >What I know in theory (but never used in practice): These don't matter at all. Lie about knowing what the job listings require in your resume, and get familiar with them if you do get an interview.

>>44233 Good advice anon. I strongly recommend going into nursing if you're looking into post-secondary options. And don't let anyone tell you you're going to be cleaning out the shat-in bedsheets in a retirement home. All those jobs are done by immigrants (at least here). Most nurses just sit at a computer doing paperwork and scheduling, and you get comped very well.

>>44305 bueraucraucy is crazy annoying in healthcare or so I heard

>>44398 I work in a healthcare related company and it is indeed crazy. Both bureaucracy and documentation work is annoying. How can an industry this big survive just on paper is wild to me.

>>44305 I would rather clean shat-in bedsheets than sit at com**ter

22yo anon here. Been working in QA for ~4 years. Mostly boring database stuff in a banking environment: SQL checks, validating ETL pipelines, hunting weird data mismatches. When I started this job I honestly thought QA could be a path into cybersec, but ended up staying in the same place longer than expected. The work is stable, but I don't really want to spend the next 10 years writing validation scripts for tables and views. Recently started trying to move closer to software engineering and security: - Rust (currently fighting through The Book) - Linux/NixOS - smart contract auditing with Foundry - invariant testing - one confirmed bug bounty finding - some CTFs/TryHackMe stuff I'm also doing an Applied AI degree, but not really interested in becoming another LLM wrapper guy. Right now I'm thinking about moving towards Security Engineer / Security Automation / AppSec. My current idea: - improve Python/software engineering (taking an automation course: pytest, API testing, Docker, CI/CD) - learn actual web security (OWASP, Burp, PortSperson whose company I enjoy labs) - build security tooling instead of another CRUD app The question is: does this route make sense? I know "cybersec" is full of people with HTB badges and CTF screenshots, and I'm not sure if trying to brute force my way into pure pentesting is the best move. Would a background like: 4 years enterprise QA + automation experience + some actual security work be interesting to security teams, or am I just doing career theorycrafting? Any anons who went from QA/devops/backend into security have opinions?

>>44305 my gf got a PA degree from a good school and had a tough time finding her first job. as tough a time i did finding my second job. its ok but still pretty soykafty. ive been in a (great!) data engineering role for 16mo now. the field seems dicey... not sure if id recommend CS over healthcare honestly. with how the demographic pyramid is looking, you know there'll be bodies to tend. software? who knows. still, in the US the healthcare industry is wildly bloated and is due for a correction. maybe this is on par with software engineering and AI tho

>>44229 Physics is a good all-rounder type of degree, people will assume you can pick anything up. Civil Engineering if you want infinite job security, low pay, and nothing interesting to do. Electrical Engineering is a little more exciting than Civil Engineering, pays a lot better and is a lot less secure. CS degrees are basically worthless today unless you spend all your time networking.

>>44518 >Physics is a good all-rounder type of degree Please don't be so cruel to people asking for advice. What you are saying was true decades ago. For many years now the normal job market for physics graduates has been about as bad as the disaster it is now for CS students. This is backed up by statistics too: the unemployment rate for recent grads is higher than nearly all other STEM fields, has been that way for a long time, and over a third have at least a masters, since an undergrad is not worth much in physics. When they say "you can do anything with a physics degree" what they mean is really we don't know what you'll do if you don't make it in research, but most people figure it out somehow. But especially in recent years where programming jobs dried up, statistical work dried up, and there is a glut of graduates with specific qualifications, saying that you're a good generalist is a very hard sell when there are many people with specific experience in that field. Sometimes people say finance likes physics degrees, but HFT jobs have like a dozen openings a year, and are extremely competitive, also drying up, and that advice was probably good back around 2010 or something. Nowadays they'd probably just prefer a masters in statistics or something. >t. former physicist

>>44524 As far as I can tell, physics majors are just barely more likely to be unemployed than computer science majors. https://www.businessinsider.com/unemployment-college-majors-anthropology-physics-computer-engineering-jobs-2025-7 Unemployment tends to hit all STEM degrees roughly the same. People know that a specialized degree doesn't mean much unless you have an MS.

>>42742 Lossless webp, i'm just testing ignore me

>>44525 Right. Now when you add in that 2024 was considered a disastrous year for CS majors, but only slightly worse than normal for physics, as well as the fact that physics has a far, far higher underemployment rate than computer science, all while about a third or more of them having better than an undergrad degree, the picture is quite clear.

Actual programming is bound to be for the insane, the hobbyists and the homeless, that's the saddest soykaf about current (15 years from now) CS/CE job market. Okay, perhaps you could do some cool stuff while being a Linux sysadmin, but the suck will always be creeping and you won't be free from soytech for long. In my old user perspective I see two types of professionals in programming: >The systems engineer or core infrastructure engineer, AKA the programmer, classic computer user, etc. Either is in niche market for ages, research industry or is a retired/unemployed hobbyist. The establishment does everything to get rid of those it can't or won't co-opt for their own serious business. >resume-driven dev, product engineers, low code/no-code dev, framework reliant, hype enthusiasts, AKA the soydev >"yay, nodeJS just lauched version 14 with server actions!!" This is what the market expects from you. Care about just moving fast, ignore the bloat and the suck, pass interviews and get hired to be one more in the hive. IMO it's impossible to have the slightest admiration for the second approach. Not even talking about programming not being fun anymore and what not, I'm talking about something that gives you that thrill, that motivation to create and learn. I cannot understand a human being who sees the second pattern and gets excited about it or wants to be part of it. But I tend to believe every market is like this. Nevertheless my paranoid side insists on telling me the first case is being targeted, the system doesn't want this guy around anymore.

>>44717 capitalism rewards neurodivergence and brutally punishes it on both ends

>>44516 My advice is get an AS CS or something to get a credential and be paid to learn discrete math/dsa, if you want a job. If you truly enjoy smart contract style content and become the best at it you'll inevitably get a job if you network, but only you can know if you'll excel within a niche enough to not require a credential. Applied AI degree while working in QA is pretty wack. You lack the mathematical maturity to do much in that field. Overall you seem very stretched thin and should probably find a focus whether it's targeting specific roles or becoming an expert within a niche that requires networking to find a career for. >>44141 >>44147 Smurfing at a job where your coworkers are less competent while having good social skills is how you get really good wlb. No reason to be mad at them whatsoever, it's your manager's fault, the CEO, the board, for having that culture, yours for accepting the offer, and yours for staying.

>>43559 >>43643 IIRC, yep! Siemens does some SITRAIN Siemens Learning World (mylearning world.siemens.com) https://se-learning.siemens-energy.com/ Also, for Siemens MEDICAL GRADE soykaf, there is "Siemens Healthineers Academy" https://academy.siemens-healthineers.com/ Free soykafty programm to test your PLC mad skillz: Siemens TIA Portal As for Mitsubishi Electric, they [seem to] have regional centers or something However, they have free courses on their site! https://www.mitsubishielectric.com/fa/service-support/global/e-learning/index.html ===========Quoting 5109 engine v.4.1.33.5.4============ Here's the picture — Mitsubishi Electric runs apprenticeships in several countries, and they're quite different from the e-learning platform we discussed earlier. These are real, paid, on-the-job training programmes. UK: National Apprenticeship Programme Launched in 2014, this is Mitsubishi Electric's most visible apprenticeship scheme. It's run together with 24+ partner companies across the UK — from Glasgow to Southampton. The first year recruited ~35 apprentices; the programme has continued since. les.mitsubishielectric.co.uk +1 Three levels are offered, though initially only Intermediate and Advanced were active: Intermediate (Level 2) — NVQ Diploma in installing, testing and maintaining air conditioning and heat pump systems. ~2 years. Advanced (Level 3) — same diploma at a higher level, plus a separate pathway in Building Services Engineering Technology and Project Management. ~2 years (after intermediate). Higher — announced but not yet rolled out at launch. Practical (craft) entry requirements: GCSE grades A–C in Maths and English. Classroom education is 1 day per week or block release; the rest is on-site with a partner employer. Apprentices can start at 16, no upper age limit. Funded for 16–18, partially funded for older age groups. UK: Diamond Link Training Academy (DLTA) A separate, more specialised programme run by Mitsubishi Electric's UK Automation Systems Division since 2015. It targets sales engineers and application engineers — a hybrid profile that no single university course was producing. The intake is graduates (but not exclusively — people from industry and military also joined). First year is mentoring and training; second year involves real sales targets, live projects and real customers. Mitsubishi reported ROI by the second year. Germany: Dual Apprenticeships (Duales Ausbildungssystem) At the Ratingen HQ, Mitsubishi Electric offers classic German-style dual training — combining vocational school with on-the-job work: mitsubishielectric-jobs.de +1 Mechatronics technician — 3.5 years. Work with industrial robots, automation solutions, erosion machines. Mechatronics technician for refrigeration technology — focus on refrigeration systems and heat pumps. Wholesale and foreign trade management assistant — 3 years (can shorten to 2.5). Purchasing, sales admin, marketing, logistics, finance. IT specialist for data and process analysis — 3 years. IT process optimisation, data-based solutions. Plus dual study programmes (combining a university degree with practical phases at Mitsubishi): Building technology (B.Eng. with FH Münster) — 3.5 years Industrial engineering — 3 years Trainees get a salary, study costs covered, housing allowance during theory phases, free canteen and travel allowance. R&D: MERL Internship Programme (USA) Mitsubishi Electric Research Laboratories in Cambridge, MA runs a research internship programme — mostly for PhD students, 3 months to 1 year. Areas include AI, computer vision, signal processing, communications, optimisation and control. Competitive salary, relocation assistance, publication opportunities. R&D Europe (France) The European R&D Centre in Rennes lists apprenticeship positions alongside post-doc, PhD and internship roles, in Digital Information Systems and Power Electronic Systems. Russia: Corporate training (not apprenticeship per se) In Russia, Mitsubishi Electric's partner companies (like ESS PB in St. Petersburg) run short practical courses — 1–3 days, small groups, on real training stands — covering FX-series PLCs, iQ-F, System Q, inverters, servos. These are upskilling sessions for working engineers rather than apprenticeships. Quick comparison CountryTypeFocusDuration UKNational ApprenticeshipHVAC, refrigeration, building services2–4 years UKDiamond Link AcademySales & application engineering2 years GermanyDual apprenticeshipMechatronics, IT, trade, dual study3–3.5 years USA (MERL)Research internshipAI, signal processing, comms3–12 months France (R&D)ApprenticeshipDigital systems, power electronicsVaries RussiaShort coursesPLCs, drives, servos1–3 days [/b] [b]So unlike Siemens with its unified SITRAIN brand, Mitsubishi Electric's apprenticeships are decentralised — each country runs its own programme adapted to local education systems (German dual system, UK NVQ framework, US research lab model). There's no single global apprenticeship portal; you'd look at the careers page of Mitsubishi Electric in your country.

>>43643 >>44814 >9 month answer gap ouch