Why do you think you deserve a "better Internet"?

The purists hate the decadence of mainstream platforms, yet are unwilling to put in the slightest effort to change the status quo. >In the 90s and 2000-10s we had the traditional hackers who built up the majority of modern tech infrastructure in protocols most people now considered "dated". >Okay, fair. Now, tell me, "most people", huh? Where are the hackers of the 2020s working now? >Oh.. >[...] >... You mean to tell me that the majority of software development is commandeered over [mainstream websites]? >...That C autists also do this? >...That the majority of video game modders also do this? >...And that, it appears that the majority of programmers visible to the public appear to all be doing this even if it makes them look completely retarded to anyone who isn't on these centralized platforms? A 17,000-word essay on the state of the internet is not "high quality". It is not original. Simply relying on "decentralized protocols" and an "anti-mainstream" attitude will never build a vibrant community. The true path forward lies in shedding ideological obsessions and actively embracing those "mainstream" people who are willing to create and build, and using that bridge to breathe new life into the web. Look at this: https://cy-x.net/people/%28T_T%E2%98%93%29/notes%26hypothetical%26other/cyberix-defecting-from-internet-purism-july-reply-chimaera.txt >Many altchans, modern forums, and generally most alternative spaces on the Internet have a very incorrect perception about what makes a space "Good", >or, "high quality". They tend to be very rigid. They think words, words, and more words inherently equal quality 24/7. >They acknowledge, welcome, and appreciate philosophy, but completely disregard and go against creativity, whether it's intentional or not. Why do you think you deserve a "better Internet" if you aren't going to work for it? The lazy will reap what they sow.

> picrelated Holy soykaf, how do you read that font

That's a lot of words for a post condemning lots of words, but I agree anyway. I've personally mused about this problem, the main thing I see is that niche sites attract people disgruntled by mainstream social media, and so that is what the sites are defined by. This isn't a novel observation as has been mentioned, the only thing that really matters is making stuff, but people like to complain, and there's a lot to complain about these days ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I do not want a "better internet" I want a "not worsening internet experience," which I had when websites were 1. accessible to text-based browsers, 2. easily discovered and or promoted to my attention by major search engines, and 3. extant. I used to mostly blame 3. "People need to make personal or special interest sites again, subreddit proliferation killed the web. Andy Robertson would never have made the Night Land website if he was lulled into starting a reddit community instead and I would never have read WH Hodgson if that'd happened." That sort of selfish, lazy whining. Why aren't other people working for my amusement. Then I found myself moving onto 2. Oh those awful algorithms, yada yada. But now we've reached 1. And 1 is the fault of the decadence of mainstream platforms and services, which even they blame other platforms and services for. If it weren't for all those other big players running AI bots you'd still be able to access this, but now that other players are feeding our services to robots we need you to solve this minigame before we load a 120-character microblog entry.

I agree, but do you build anything yourself or are you just ranting about the state of the web? That said, publish stuff people. Hosting is nearly free, an onion or i2p domain is actually free. HTML is easy to write, but use plaintext or markdown if you don't want to bother. What is important is that the interesting things you have to say* you host on a place you control, and not on reddit/twitter/facebook/github that privatize your work for their own profit. * don't bother if you don't have anything to say, we don't need another empty personal site >>93987 The font is fine, they just disabled anti-aliasing. It's just an excerpt from the linked rant anyway.

>>93992 The websites stopped being discoverable right when the people discovered the SEO game. The AI slop just exacerbated the issue. The core issue probably has to do with the internet going from tech to augment human intelligence to a place to connect with people to a place for making money preferably with minimal effort. And there is really no good solution to that. And things only get worse when we realize that most mainstream platforms are owned by businesses that ran them in the red for years promising the investors it will eventually pay off and lost of experience worsening can be attributed to trying to finally turn in the profit. The other part of worsening could be attributed to SaaS mindset of constant new feature development. You HAVE to add an AI assistant because you HAVE to have new features.

It's humanity itself that degraded. Internet QOL is downstream from that.

I managed to read through some of this incoherent wall of text and from what I understand you are looking for "builders" and then you are angry that people want to use what you've built so you invite an AI shiтbot to your chatroom and everybody left because they cannot stand that slop and complained. And now you are angry that they do not build but rather just consume what you built. Okay, and what happens when you find the builders and start building? Who is going to use all that crap? You will "expand" the foundation, then what? Sit there in loneliness? People complain because they are being spoiled children and they want their parents to do whatever to spare them of their boredom. See, this is the problem with tech spaces, tech bros and autism-adjacent people in general. I could call myself "a builder" and I avoid spaces like these and I avoid tech communities. I write my code in loneliness, because everybody around me either does not care at all, or they think of technology as an end in itself. Internet has always been and is a medium between people, or rather their ghosts. It does not matter if you could create a chat room where one could be watching youtube and jerking off in split screen simultaneously. "Better Internet" is not possible because it's full of goo people, or glob people, or blob people. The Walmart people. You cannot outbuild goo people, you could only go as far as to... create your own little space and make it an asylum for other less capable... which is exactly what you seem to hate. That's not good, because you've lost the plot. And the space is not an ultimate solution, because it will attract actual freaks not because they have a genuine interest in your space, but because they were already derezzed and exiled from anywhere else. "Better" spaces do not attract "better" people, they attract parasitic lifeform looking for a new host. People who are awesome and feel good already have a high agency profile and have an established circle of good friends. They could switch to your chudspace, but for what, especially if you have lower agency profile? Projects like these have to be viewed from the lens of agency. The more agency you have, the more luck you attract and the more chances you get to connect with like-minded and good people. But the agency varies between projects. If you create an isolationist chudspace, there is no agency to be had. You will attract exactly the kind of people you hate, because they are terminally online, have too much free time on their hands and are so annoying they've got derezzed from everywhere else.

>>93995 If we believe written sources, humanity is in decline ever since we incented writing. >>93986 The forum post the screenshot is from is just retarded. Like yeah, you created a forum and surpise nobody except for terminally online chuds want to use it. He complains that the user of his forum do absolutely nothing but complain, so he complains that he needs different users and does absolutely nothing to attract them. Like, I genuinely don't understand why should anyone who uses discord or reddit to interact with a programming community hop on some obscure forum with 3 users?

>>93997 I'm going to have to give you the "DIDN'T READ SHIT" award, because if you did actually read it, you would've found that there's actually a solution hidden inside of that text file. You likely skimmed over it the moment it started talking about soykaf you didn't like or agree with.

>>94017 He did write about "building bridges" but it still doesn't answer the question of how chudforums with a discord server is going to attract normal person builders.

>>94018 I'll just say and quote the solution he found : >I need builders. Alternative spaces around the Internet in general suffer from the same problems I suffer. None of them recognize the core issue I am recognizing. I restructured Cyberix's layout myself. >There is now a Webchat, and it is now the front page. I am adapting to the circumstances. The chats are more active than the forums. People are scared of forums. It requires more effort and thinking. >Enjoy the chat. It is easy to use. The chat activity has now increased even more. I've onboarded more people to XMPP and Mumble through the Webchat more than I ever did forcing them to download a client. I've introduced people to Cyberix more easily through it than I did when it was a empty forum full of the same arbitrary discussion and the chats needed special clients to work. My recent endeavours have shown slight success. [...] The purists still haven't built, despite the growth in numbers. TL;DR He reworked the chatroom of cyberix to make it more accessible and made it the frontpage of the site, instead of the forums. Making it more accessible = less of a hassle to deal with to use your services. meaning more chances of people, including some builders, to stick around. it is as shrimple as that. now he just needs to moderate the place so it isn't a fest of doomerism and hostility so it isn't a gauntlet for new users. make it a place that makes you want to share stuff on. reassure me that i won't get doxxed because i shared the most fuarrrking horrid omelet on earth for example. (hyperbolism used for comedic reason)

>>93986 There's no "deserve", you work toward it and you'll maybe get it.

>The purists hate the decadence of mainstream platforms, yet are unwilling to put in the slightest effort to change the status quo. Saying it in general terms, not specifically about the OP case. I'm doing my part making my own stuff. The problem is that many of those purists are not actually purists since they expect visibility and movement for their own things or the content they deem valuable. Like stupid Linux users attwhoring around to convert NPCs. As if the Linux desktop community would have anything to win by being popular. No, it gets dragged into IRL compliance and invaded by platforms, the law, corpbots, trolls and unreliable users/contributors. Everything is like that. The old internet was good because it was limited, because it was expensive, hard to set up, slow as fuarrrk, because glowniggers and corporations knew the vast majority of NPCs were not interested in that and so forth, not despite all that. Movements don't die because there isn't enough people involved, they dying when it becomes popular. i know that's kind of a hipster stance and all, but it's true. There's an extremely thin microscopic balance line between visibility and purity nowadays, specially regarding the internet. In times like this, purity is directly linked with the very survival of any culture. So, what is purity, in this sense? Being free from cancer or being inaccessible to people who are not already interested enough to really go after it. If you invite massive traffic to your webring (by making youtube videos about it, advertising it in social media, telling your friends, et cetera.) you can be certain that it will become cancer. Like what's coming of lainchan, unfortunately. This was my favorite imageboard for quite some time. So, to observe on your logic, if those people are like that, they shouldn't be welcomed to your insider trade. That's the guarantee it will last for a century. And I am not being ironic. >Why do you think you deserve a "better Internet"? Nobody deserves anything. Either you do something nice for yourself and others or simply be grateful because something nice appeared in your life. You know what makes things good? People willing to do them simply because they want to. Everything in the internet is and should be a mean to something, not an end. So, you have a webring or a community? Do you have a common, defined goal or just expecting everyone to start sperging to each other? Just an additional illustration: >Linus is okay with LLMs >roughly a year later complains about too much AI slop in the patches No soykaf, Sherlock. I don't know why are people permissive like that. Oh, I think I know. Mostly GREED, sonny boy. I just theorize that almost everyone who does something for the public, even some basic website like my own, deep down there they are, at the very least, expecting to become the next legend or icon of their niche.

>>94025 >The old internet was good because it was limited, because it was expensive, hard to set up, slow as fuarrrk I think this reason is like kicking dead whales down the beach. if it was such a burden to use, why did the FAANG companies decide to go online in the first place? No. The fact that it was gatekeeped by a wealth check and a (relatively low) knowledge/tech check, to access the internet, isn't the reason the internet was good. it just made the internet get invaded by glowniggers FIRST before the normal people. you know. the niggers with the most money to soykaf the place up BEFORE the normal people come in, slip and fall on the mud and take for granted that this is how it has always been. For that reason, I believe Linux whoring isn't bad. at worst, we loose and gain nothing. Windows won the market and that helped linux build a very strong community foundation to stand on for years. It will be difficult for a company to enshittify the community. The people with literally no money and a passion for simple things are upkeeping the project, and built a framework to block money from corrupting it. It's all about who gets their grubby hands all over a project first, and the people got on linux first.

>>93986 urbit fixes this it's time

>>94122 you just won't give up, huh

>The true path forward lies in shedding ideological obsessions and actively embracing those "mainstream" people who are willing to create and build, and using that bridge to breathe new life into the web. no it doesn't. if you don't gatekeep normal people you're gonna get a normal person space. it's that simple.

>>93986 >a vibrant community. Wrong shop.