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Accelerationism is a theory that posits the best way to confront the current moment of history is to blast through it. As much a theory of political action as a theory of worldly engagement, it positions itself as simultaneous teleology (as an attractor mode, not as an outright theory), and means of obtaining a new earthly world. While it is often maligned as a dystopic feverdream from the mind of the likes of Land, it harkens back to observations as early as Marx if not earlier. The best way is through, and not to wait for an opportune moment. With tools like ai enabling faster development of tools such as cyber weapons, as well as more powerful conventional weapons, it offers a chance to straighten the imbalance of power and re-establish a symmetry to people that seemed all but lost. Equally so, it could cement a power so totalizing as to be impossible to topple once established. Accelerationism suggests the populous can have their own, and that there's not one single destination.

The standard counterargument is that South Africa is doing terribly and people still haven't awoken about it, it seems, even in South Africa.

>>92589 How so? SA is a prior colony? Do you mean the black population isn't seizing their political destiny?

>>92590 Southafrica was at the vangaurd of the liberal worldview, giving a modern, industrial and technological country over to rule by a particular class of being. The expectation was that naturally they would continue the country as a modern technological power etc etc and maybe spearhead the modernization and civilization of the continent. In the 20th Century SA had nukes. They did the first heart transplants, they were actually very technologically advanced. Now they can hardly keep the power on, and seem to be quite a complete disaster. This isnt a deep discussion of the problems of South Africa, suffice it to say they are many and significant. You may say that you hope embracing turbo liberalism, nay, gigaturboliberalism, to blast through this age of history will cause people to realize quickly that liberalism itself is stupid and perverse, but there are still White liberals in SA. Sure you have Orania etc, and the Southafricanization of the world may not be the end of civilization entierly, but I hardly think the accelerationist view seems to be well bourne out over there.

>>92591 No. The example would be more like china over the last 20 years.

>>92589 >>92590 >>92591 monkees can't do heart surgery, monkees can't govern, monkees can't ...

>>92592 china may be at a vangaurd but its not the vangaurd of liberalism or most of the other trends going on in the west which someone would be looking at accelerating.

>>92594 uh no. not liberalism. capitalism. capitalism is the engine, and it doesn't matter what political vehicle it resides in.

the problem with accelerationism (and teleology in general) is it sort of sneaks in this implication that one has a perfect understanding of everything that is happening right now and has prescient knowledge that it this is only a temporary bad period that will eventually get better. it's basically like when compulsive gamblers hit a bad losing streak and go on tilt, something snaps in their brain and they just obstinately continue gambling and losing more and more money because they think that their situation is just a temporary phase of bad mojo that will eventually fix itself if they just keep powering through. the irony of it is, it's a delusion of having control that is based on abdicating control - the bad situation you are in is not your own doing, it has nothing to do with your actions, it's just random bad luck, so you can "control" the situation by just mindlessly powering through and doing the same thing that you are doing and not allowing yourself to be deterred by your misfortunes. but of course, this isn't control at all - this is just insanity, as famously defined by einstein as doing the same thing and expecting different results. everything we have been doing as a society has gotten us into the situation we are in right now and to think that continuing to do the same thing even harder will eventually yield good results is insanity, plain and simple.

>>92598 This is copypasta. Please write your own thoughts instead of spilling the soykaf. To address the point: accelerationism is not teleology, it is methodology. The teleology claims speak to some of the stranger ideas championed by CCRU/Land, and are not generally accepted. As such, they're irrelevant.

>>92595 I don't think capitalism is the reason gay propoganda is being blasted everywhere nor is it the reason that people who're very clearly not that economically productive are being brought into a bunch of economically productive economies and let run around doing crime and living on the government dime. If China is capitalism then maybe we should go get a little more of that.

>>92600 You assume capitalism operates in a vacuum, which is incorrect. China demonstrates this elegantly.

>>92601 Hammers also do not operate in a vacuum, but their are not ideologies and the generally do not inform and direct everyone's general worldview. Capitalism is to a large degree like a tool, its more of a mental tool than a hammer, but I'd argue it generally lacks some of the basic requirements for an independent ideology. A capigtalist is likely also a liberal or a nationalist or some other thing, and will attempt to use the means of capital to advance this other ideology. Some people may be non ideological but most ime have some value judgements and even people in business are not just 100% in it for the money.

>>92602 Capitalism isn't akin to a hammer either. Are you daft or something? You prattle on about liberalism, when that is definitively not the core of the issue (see: Saudi Arabia (a monarchy), China (state capitalist with public socialist offerings), etc). The constant is capital. It is it's own ideological force, it integrates & subverts whatever it needs, and it corrupts all systems. Could you kindly remove your head from your large intestine?

>>92602 >>92600 >>92598 >>92594 kek yer dum bro. capital isn't "money", it IS power. the ones with it can step outside the systems thst bind us pions entirely. >>92603 the one globo constant is capital. hail capital.

>>92603 Hammers are also constant, and many people would say, their own ideological force; for when all you have is a hammer, then everything is a nail. They're ubiquitous, found everywhere from China to Saudi Arabia, from Sweden to Nigeria. They were even among the first tools sent to space, and doubtless many were carried on such ships as the Nina, Pinta, and Santa Maria. Their usefulness is obvious, and if they hadn't already been invented a million times I rather think I would have needed to invent them myself. It would be nonsense to accelerate hammers, because they have an obvious niche and don't need to expand beyond that niche. They represent a solved problem, and do not, generally, seek to expand beyond their scope. Everyone uses hammers because it would be stupid not to, because they're tools, great and useful tools. And thus also with capitalism. Its merely because the niche of capitalism, that is the market, is quite large and pervasive that capitalism is so large and pervasive. But for the most part I do not see capitalism invading home and family life, maybe thats just me and where I live, I do not see it expanding beyond its scope, and to be fair its a large scope, if everyone spends 1/3 of their time, generally engaged in market pursuits then capitalism is naturally as large as hammers would be if everyone spent 1/3 of their time hammering nails. Ideology pervades into every sphere because it has something to say about everything, or at any rate it can. A hammer, and capital likewise, generally cannot.

>>92605 this an llm reply. opinion discarded.

>>92603 China has been better at purifying capitalism than the united stales. authoritarian systems have a good edge mobilizing their resources. meanwhile amerika haz to please the people. i hope trump cripples the systen so absolutely they become more chinese

>>92605 thus confirms the retard cannot even think past a hammer. what a moron.

>>92608 better to be a retard who can't give up the hammer than someone so sophisticated he can't grasp one. >>92606 genius reply. Opinion embraced.

>>92588 the fact capitalism melts all that is solid into air is terrifying, which is why people resist it so much. the sense that anything within physical limits is achievable always brings out people who are afraid of losing "their humanity". why should we care? humanity actually is like kicking dead whales down the beach. >>92603 >shut it down just ignore the idiots. clearly has zero concept of what he's on about. if he seems to think capitalism is a hammer he'll forever be distracted with smashing nails, like a dumb chimp. how do people feel about the "climax" of capitalism that land suggests? i like the "nothing human makes it out alive" bit, but i suspect there'll be holdouts.

>>92609 >>92609 oh you're a real little treasure. i guess school is out and you want to play "little professor"?

>>92604 >the one globo constant is capital. hail capital. there's hardly just one global constant. The global constant might as well be the western business suit, the language english. Even more basic, the global constant is the house, the road or trail. Written or spoken language is also a global constant. You say capitalism is power, power is something obviously non ideological because it can be wielded by people of any ideology. You can make an ideology around it where you say 'all that matters is capital' just as you can say 'all that matters is the hammer', both of which are equally absurd ideologies which do not reflect the average user, either of capital or of the hammer.

>>92609 are you just replying to yourself now? jfc bruh

>>92607 underrated insight. my work takes me to china occasionally, and they really have soykaf figured out. i only hope it isn't too late for the rest of us.

>>92612 no. you are once again incorrect could you take a minute and read literally anything? anything by anybody on the subject. you will only learn and grow from your current stiltified state.

>>92599 >This is copypasta i wrote this right off the top of my head. it just seems like a copypasta to you because you and other morons keep creating the same thread over and over about accelerationism and people keep responding with the same explanation of why your ideas are retarded.

>>92616 no, just you, son. either engage in good faith or fuarrrk off.

>>92615 if all it takes is a minute, then by all means oh sage and savvy hacker, post it here that all may read and comment on it lol.

>>92616 you're just unhappy because you don't understand. im sorry bud, maybe this isn't your thread.

>>92618 >>92618 >>92618 do it yourself soykafwit

>>92618 average lazy retard. do your own worm

I'll repost what I said earlier because I guess that thread was a duplicate. Accelerationism is a beast with two heads: on the one hand you have the billionaire class, who seem to genuinely believe that they are bringing about some kind of singularity where they will be as gods. Then you have the version that is peddled to the masses, which is an equally delusional belief that if you help them destroy society, it will come back just how you like it. Both of them amount to a self-fulfilling doomsday cult that will take everyone down with them. Accelerationists deserve to be sent to reeducation camps.

>>92622 stop posting your astroturf d0omertard

>>92617 i engaged in very good faith, i explained exactly why accelerationism is illogical. the rebuttal was in bad faith, baselessly accusing me of plagiarizing my argument without a shred of evidence and not actually addressing the argument at all. this behavior is only strengthening my argument, that the people who believe in this kind of nonsense are playing on tilt and just mindlessly do the same thing over and over again expecting different results instead of admitting defeat. this is accelerationism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwdYUIQzu-o

>>92624 that's not good faith. please fuarrrk off.

>>92622 >both amount to a self fulfiling domesday cult why, what makes you say that ? Are there any worldly examples we can look at ? >>92620 >I can't stop to explain my arguments to you I've just got to go fast got to go fast accelerate aaaaaaa

>>92628 you need to actually engage with the work and understand it. otherwise you're talking out of your asshole.

>>92624 another trash reply. absolute cinema

>>92624 >>92624 10iq fool needs to cite satire. wow the bar is beyond low.

cyberpunk board full of larpers who can't discuss a literal, real, in-play ideological current that embraces cyberpunk. what a place.

>>92623 It's relevant, it remains my position, and I want to join the discussion here. I'm even explicitly saying I am the same person posting both, which makes it not astroturf by definition. >>92628 >why, what makes you say that ? How could it be interpreted as anything different? If you're explicitly trying to make society collapse, that's a self-fulfillig doomsday cult.

>>92633 i want it to all collapse. the question is when and how :)

>>92631 i think it's a good illustration of idiotic accelerationist thought, and of privileged narcissistic angry white male brain in general. never admit that you made a mistake and chose the wrong path, stay on your current path and just keep doubling down and powering through no matter what happens, pay no attention to all the destruction it causes and how much it makes the situation worse and how stupid it makes you look.

>>92635 it doesn't matter how he looks. the point remains and it works.

>>92635 >angry white male brain ooh i see. THAT is your ideological bent. ok.

>>92633 how is it a doomsday cult exactly?

>>92629 >If you're tryin to make society collapse, then you're trying to bring about a doomsday wow, what an interesting point. I wonder if the accelerationists around here have anything to say. I guess they do: "I want it to all collapse. The question is when and how :)" [1]. Sounds like he agrees, maybe there's less than a whole book to read to comprehend this ideology. Still I would be interested in worldly examples but this is a reasonable logical assertion. Obviously you can make the arguemnt that society has collapsed half a dozen times before and its never been the end of society (though the anthropic principal would argue that thats obvious if we're remarking on it). I think often its hard to actually get a total collapse, people will generally survive and everyone carries in him enough trappings of society to start over if he gets some friends. For what its worth I've met some self identified accelerationists who make the case that society is collapsing, and that in the long run its better to have a fast collapse, as this will enable quicker rebuilding. Hence the point of S.A., which has had a fairly quick collapse and has not really stopped collapsing or turned around at all yet, afaict. [1] >>92634

>>92636 it's like dad getting lost on the family road trip and he refuses to admit it and gets pissed off when mom tells him to stop and ask for directions and he drives the station wagon all the way to winnipeg and then back around to disneyworld in florida and if anyone criticizes his methodology he says "well we got here didn't we?!"

>>92639 >wow, what an interesting point. llm text detected. you can do better lain

>>92640 considering disneyland is for mental midgets, im with dad on this one.

anybody notice how fast it went from a good quality op to >SHUT IT DOWN ŘEEEEEEEEEEEEE ? methinks vested interests are at play

>>92643 third rail issue. makes people scared. and yes, vested interests. they always show up sooner or later.

>>92642 alright i give up. i can't think of any simpler analogy, even trying to explain it to you like you're a five year old goes over your head. i might as well be talking to an ant.

>>92644 oh yes. i know of theses "vested" interests.

>>92642 i audibly laughed. good job. i just think we need to see the thing through. right now society is in shambles, we need a proper collapse to rebuild from. people miss the point: soykaf is already really fuarrrking bad. we need guillotine time already.

>>92646 >>92644 >>92643 what are they? the epstein class?

>>92641 genius writing detected. You can't do better lain, you've reached the peak. Some might say you've exceeded it. Seriously though apparently I just write like you think LLMs write, for what its worth you've been 0 for 2 and counting. >>92643 >vested interests look man you're talking about literally destroying civiliation. Everyone has some interest in that. >>92645 you could have taken the easy path and just said that he winds up driving off a cliff and they all die because they don't set off in the right direction and they wind up not ending up where they wanted to go. Being slow isn't great but if you get where you're going then it works out in the end.

>>92649 picrel picrel picrel picrel picrel picrel picrel picrel picrel picrel

>>92651 SHUT IT DOWN >>92651 SHUT IT DOWN >>92651 SHUT IT DOWN >>92651 SHUT IT DOWN >>92651 SHUT IT DOWN >>92651 SHUT IT DOWN >>92651 SHUT IT DOWN

>>92632 people don't actually want to close this world, we're all too vested in our mistakes because we're all dad getting lost on the family road trip. we are deadly afraid of the reuptake of signifiers so we inhibit the transporters, increasing extracellular concentrations thereof to their ultimate contention. in this manner discussions of accelerationism become self defeating. the spectacle is totalizing and nothing is exempt, not even accelerationism.

>>92659 big words from a little boy. sit down kid.

>>92659 If you go fast enough, it doesn't matter if you swing by winnipeg on the way to disneyland. It doesn't even matter if you stop in London, hey why not BOTH Londons Ontario and England, and maybe take a swing through Europe too, while you're so close anyway. The key is speed, and the means by which we get it, is acceleration.

>>92660 go take your pills grandpa, they accelerate dementia

Comparisons between the modern day and the accelerationism of 19th century socialist autonomists and 20th century cyberneticism seem misaimed. The Marxists were witnessing the disruptive processes of capital permanently ending the peasantry. The peasantry was uninterested in the permanent termination of the social system of peasantry, and Marx dropped the black pill that there is nothing, absolutely nothing that can arrest the total and permanent end of peasantry and total revocation of traditional peasant rights and privileges. Since he lived in a dying semifeudal state complete with limited peasantry as a social institution, in a society generally well acquainted with the social institutions of Old Russia, he did not even need to name those privileges. But I will name a few right now: severe restrictions on military levy, an absolute legal protection against eviction (which legality was considered the hard line between peasantry and slavery), and the legal protection of the tools and means by which the peasant performs labor--similar to the modern legal protection of one's car in the state of bankruptcy, a limiting legal surety that a peasant would first need to be stripped of his status as peasant and be formally declared an outlaw before he could be removed from economic life. And we all know what happened over the course of the Inclosures in Britain. All of these were utterly incompatible with the industrial state. The peasantry's protection against levy was the first right abolished by the French Republic, before they abolished any of the privileges of the aristocracy or clergy. A crowned king was more compatible with the social revolution of the Republican State than a peasant of limited levy. Napoleon proved as much. We are not in an age where formal written rights and privileges of the masses stand in the way of the advancement of technology. I know some of you will say "right to privacy" but there is no such right in the American legal system. The sole and exclusive court case in which such a right was interpreted into existence, "Roe V. Wade," was overturned on the spurious nature of that interpretation. Nor does there exist a "right to repair." It is in fact the manufacturers and IP owners who have the applicable rights. Nor is there anywhere a "right to read." The only entities to ever formally win a right to read have been corporations feeding copyrighted work to machines, which right they have won in court explicitly on the basis of the fact that said machine learning activities cannot be likened to reading. Aaron Swartz hanged himself because he intended to include human readership. You do not have a right to do any and every arbitrary transformation of mathematics. We have a system of IP law and patent guarantees specifically to prevent you from doing that, and fortunately for the process of systemic compounding, said IP laws and patents are in practice at most minimally frictional to the accumulation of power. The destructive liberation of industrial development therefore has little parallel in the modern environment. The peasantry was dissolved into the citizenry by the interests of the bourgeoisie. The citizenry of the 20th century has already been dissolved into the netizenry of the 21st. What remains is, it seems, simply for the netizenry to be harvested, and then rendered socially and economically abject. I believe I read once that DeviantArt derezzed a particularly skilled vore fetish artist named Karbo only and immediately after they finished feeding their infernal generative devices all of his vore fetish art, almost as though that had been a plan decades in the making. That story is almost certainly false, but the fact that it is a story at all captures a fairly normal perspective for the netizen. Just as the citizen knows he forsook the shackles of peasantry for the responsibility of civil duty including military service, the netizen knows himself to have centuries ago forsaken the rights and protections of peasantry, as Esau traded his birthright for thick red porridge.

my favorite part of the "acceleration" is when, after the collapse of the ai bubble and the economic catastrophe that ensues, all the big tech ceos grab all the money they can carry and flee into the global south like nazi fugitives and then they try to build their own little neofeudal kingdoms there and they eventually get dragged out of their compounds by hordes of enraged natives and they are hacked to death with rusty machetes while uselessly pleading for mercy in a language no one understands.

>>92682 >right to privacy is only involved in Roe V wade which was overturned because of its incoherence It wasnt only roe v wade, this right to privacy also protects sodomy and a few other things. Just not any privacy in any area for any reason. Its funny how ridiculous the court has been.

>>92689 Sodomy isn't worth protection. Privacy is for the epstein class, pions doing drab filth isn't it.

>>92683 they've all built remote bunkers. what now?

>>92698 >they've all built remote bunkers. what now? They all get killed by the ex-special forces operators they hired to guard their stupid bunkers because post-happening, the money they pay them with is completely worthless and they, who have no use whatsoever, are trying to order around people with guns who don't need them. All of their wealth and resources are numbers in a computer system. Modern technocrat billionaires fail to understand that the modern world is what enables their cushy decadent lifestyle and that they need us a fuarrrkload more than we need them. If soykaf cooks off to the point where the current social order that sustains them collapses, they're not gonna be techo-barons, they're gonna be filling in mass graves or decorating some neo-barbarian warlord's yurt. This is what happens when you watch too much TV growing up and get a bad case of main character syndrome.

>>92699 are you so sure? when power structures re-emerge, those spec forces become lords. why fuarrrk up a good thing? you assume a lot.

>>92699 They'll be fine. Those body guards and whatever will take the deal they've been given, most of them aren't power-hugry lunatics like their bosses. But, the techbro overlords assume they will still be on top of the world when the dust settles, which is silly. They will just be one bloc among many, and without their stranglehold on the world through the financial system, they won't have nearly as many levers to pull.

what will cause collapse? how will we know? musk became a T$, maybe we're getting the soykafty cyberpunk ending. i suspect things are about to get ugly.

>>92894 >what will cause collapse? how will we know? When the adrenachrone market collapses to the point that they actually have to implement UBI to ensure livestock supplies remain stable.

>>92919 i audibly laughed. thanks

>>92920 >>92920 >>92920 Niggers dont care about others