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Is there any good solutions for creating P2P group chats? There is cabal, which allows creation of cabals with separate channels, very similar to irc. But it is in Javascript, which is meh, and not very popular. I've created cabal for Anons to test BTW. cabal://b7443b5a17aceaae6b3a71ed6915590873483d64394f6f5203956dca45f49cfe

https://tox.chat/ I use the toxic client and it's pretty configurable and nice. Been using it for years and haven't had any issues. With that said, you can't be logged in to your account on more than one device or else things get buggy--stick to one active client at a time and you're golden. Have fun!

>>89553 I remember having used Tox some years ago, but I thought it had stopped being updated? I guess I was wrong, as checking the c-toxcore repo it was updated 3 days ago. Didn't know it was still around, neat. I hope the client situation with Tox is better than it is with protocols like XMPP and Matrix, where pretty much all the clients suck hairy ass.

>>89553 Isn't it's way of creating group chat is to run server with bot which relays messages to others? Not very peer to peer.

https://jami.net/ GNU Jami is still not completely reliable but is improving.

What if instead of writing a new decentralized chat app everyone contributed to top 3 most used clients instead?

>>89557 no, it has group chats, but they are not really persistent; every time you join you need an invite from a user in the chat (and if everyone leaves, the group dies). You add a bot as a friend and the bot invites you whenever you ask it too. You could also get your other tox contacts to invite you.

>>89561 Yeah, it's funny how I haven't heard about anything mentioned in the thread and people keep posting more.

>>89561 And which would these 3 clients be?

>>89569 Simplex, Onionshare and any IRC client.

>>89575 Those are federated, not P2P.

>>89586 Onionshare is P2P but pure P2P in onion networks isn't desirable. Your anonymous ID goes offline if you disconnect from the network. If it happens enough times, anon ID is correlated with bare IP with high confidence. A central server oblivious to user identities is better for anonymity.

Then again, if you can maintain a very high network uptime and periodically take your anon ID offline in random intervals while still connected to network; you could theoretically mitigate that issue to some extent.

>>89551 Retroshare. Not only chats, but also file sharing and forums. It works well over i2p and tor.

https://github.com/TryQuiet/quiet Found this. Replacement for Discord/Slack which is also routed through Tor. Early stages of development though.

>>89560 Whoa I forgot this existed. Glad to see it still going. I wonder if I can convince my normal person friends to use Jami.

>>89560 >>89784 Nice thing about Jami is it has enough features it might not be too difficult to get anyone to use it even if not that privacy focused or neurotic. I havent used it before so cant say how useable it is. >>89591 Maybe there should be something that just uses i2p as the standard instead of tor or lokinet. Nothing like this exists yet from what I am aware of.

>>89785 you could set up your irc server over i2p but I get the impression it's held together by duct tape

>>89560 Jami doesn't have noise cancellation like discord and such so there's the potential for an echo in voice chats. I tried to like Jami but hearing myself speak a second after saying something really killed it for me. Maybe for text chats it's fine.