Why are desktop browsers so shit and slow?

Real question, modern desktop browsers are some of the most sluggish and soykaf to use software you can get these days Maybe console/phone browsers are "special" but I'd like my desktop browser to not waste 3-4 seconds loading NOTHING after I visit a url I'd like it to scroll smoothly even when the website is chugging along hard while still loading "The S3, the vita vita and even the fuarrrking 3ds have perfectly smooth scrolling meanwhile my pc with orders of magnitude more power gets 17fps scrolling on fuarrrking gbatemp" I'd like the stop loading button to actually STOP loading instead of politely telling the website to pwetty pwease stop I'd like to not have to spend 8 gorillion hours fiddling with about:config to get my GPU to accelerate the canvas If I could get the vita browser with modern SSL on Debian I'd do it in a heartbeat I dont care anymore, every time I visit a simple website like duckduckgo lite or lainchan and it really wears me down when browser spends 3-4 seconds sitting at the blank page doing nothing before deciding to load. It wastes so much of my time and is an obvious leap backwards from past/better made browsers. Every desktop browser does this

Sounds like an issue with your config, I don't have such issue. Granted I keep javascript disabled most of the time.

>>84223 This has been the case with EVERY desktop browser I've used post 2019 Whether it be gecko based, quantum based, goanna based or chromium based they all do the same thing Goanna at the very least has a functional stop button and shaves a second or two off of SSL handshaking but is hideously inefficient when browsing JS slopsites like news articles and forums No browser has real smooth scrolling but that honestly could just be my 2600 Pro not being up to the task of 1200p smoothscrolling I've tried countless mixes of configurations regarding networking to little avail, newer browsers seem to just prefer to wait for a page to be fully loaded before displaying them rather than instantly showing me wtf my browser is doing which is DUMB!

>>84222 its a dns issue. happens on my hardened firefox config but not my basic ungoogled-chromium. havent taken the time to figure it out but checked the network tab and im stuck for 6 seconds resolving dns

>>84222 part of it is certainly browser bloat (noticed speed increase when switching from Firefox to Librewolf) but part of it is website bloat. No Script and ublock are your friends here. Whitelist only those js domains that you strictly need, and every single ad should be blocked everywhere. This will (partially) fix those issues, but it will not give you back the speed of the internet 20 years ago, where I could keep 1000+ tabs open in vanilla firefox on a single-core centrino laptop with 1GB ram and 1.8GHz clockspeed.

>>84229 Alr using PM 33 with nMatrix and UBO, a newer Core 2 Duo and 6GB of DDR2 667 should load imageboards instantly but it just doesnt..

Open up dev tools, Network tab, click any slow requests and check Timings tab, see where the time is wasted, DNS resolution, connection, TLS handshake, data transfer, waiting on server You assume it's your client doing computation but that's likely not the case for simple websites like lainchan

>>84257 The browser consistently spends a second on some 301 across every website, no clue why this is, what this is or how to fix it It also spends another 2 on the actual website which is dumb since 2 seconds to grab less than 3 megabytes is abysmal

>>84275 it might be trying to see if an HTTPS redirect exists. maybe disable HTTPS Everywhere and try again?

>>84279 HTTPS Everywhere is not installed, I disabled HSTS and it didnt make a difference

cool, another tech support thread for one retard who can't into computers i love 2025 lainchan

this thread reminds me of working as a help desk tech, 'my soykafs slow fix it'. You haven't given any info about your os or computer, im assuming debian from your final comment but that isnt enough for us to solve your bitching. Smooth scrolling is related to drivers, is it a nvidia gpu, if amd or intel do you have the 'linux-firmware' package installed, are you missing anything else, etc, etc? Have you considered just moving to windows and edge if you are having driver problems, its the optimal way to use a computer without editing configs. >newer browsers seem to just prefer to wait for a page to be fully loaded before displaying them rather than instantly showing me wtf my browser is doing which is DUMB! If your browser hasn't received the data how is it supposed to display it to you, this comment itself is quite dumb. We have already established the problem lies somewhere in your networking so run a speed test and post the results. Guys there is a tech support thread btw, pls dont make a new thread every time you wanna ask a dumb question

>>84286 >If your browser hasn't received the data how is it supposed to display it to you What he meant is browser can display partial loaded sites. Meaning if you load the html first but no images/css you can already render blank text without images and styling. In old days you also would define loading order to explicitly ensure user gets text fast first since modem connections where only 7kb/s. The modern problem is likely not the browser but everything running on 10mb+ of JS. Browser cant load html text first because its all hidden behind loading megabytes of bloated api's that then load 100kb content. I blame as always the users that tolerate this soykaf and thereby enable it. Sh1teaters create a market for producing sh1t.

>>84321 OP already confirmed it's a severe network latency issue, not the browser >>84275 Agreed on modern bloat though Fast hardware was a mistake Normal people were a mistake

Change your DNS first if you haven't. Also some ISPs throttle speeds but usually they just do this for torrents and sometimes streaming services so I dont think this is likely it unless you are using a mobile hotspot off your phone as your connection. Use Decentraleyes or LocalCDN might help in some cases but it also sometimes messes up the layout of sites on occasion. In Firefox based browser's about:config find nglayout.initialpaint.delay and set value to 0 which should force the pages to display what it renders immediately instead of waiting. If it isn't there just create a new integer. If you scroll fast through pages and have a soykaf connection rather than reading through everything with a good connection, you may want to disable lazy loading. dom.image-lazy-loading.enabled set to false or if that doesn't work use an extension like UnLazy. Prefetch is supposed to make browsing faster but it maybe slows things down on sites with a lot of possibilities of what your next page could be. Find network.prefetch-next and set it to false >>84286 > run a speed test on that note the only useful speed test is one done over a period of time to find the true average speed. https://testmy.net/

Forgot about this thread >>84286 My internet is fine, consistent 54mbps down and 12mbps up with 20ms latency when pinging google.com I already mentioned my setup in a reply>>84255 I initially didnt put this in the tech support thread because I assumed its a universal thing that doesnt have a fix, I appear to be correct since nobody has offered a solution and not a single combination of various tweaks I find online alleviate it

>>84333 Wrote my reply before seeing this, alr switched between google and cloudflare [ik both are evil but they're the fastest] and noticed 0 difference Will research what decentraleyes and localcdn are initialpaint did actually help with the placebo effect of faster loads by actually watching it load so thank you for that Prefetching is alr set to false

>>84334 Do you care about ping packets being fast, or 30-200 KB sized HTTP requests taking seconds? >>84275 Investigate why these requests are slow in the browser you use. Click on the requests in dev tools. Which step of the request is slow?

>>84366 Only issue is that the dev is more concerned with other projects and earlier this year let it hang with a critical vulnerability without any acknowledgement for 6+ weeks.

>Real question, modern desktop browsers are some of the most sluggish and soykaf to use software you can get these days You have to be using a good website, you do realize they can just allocate as much RAM and CPU they want. I only chill on fast websites with JS diabled like lainchan and lambdaplusjs35padjaiz4jw2fugdoeutse262phqr72uf634s2wdbqd.onion.

I would live entirely inside of lynx, or w3m at a stretch, if javascript were not required to access so many websites. I can barely access the Raspberry Pi forums from my Raspberry Pi 3b+ because I consider the current day browser experience horrendous, so if I'm doing any tweaking of my home video setup I need to get off of the device I'm altering and sit down on a full fledged desktop. If there were a text based browser that could solve javascript and verification issues I'd switch and would also advise others to do the same. There is not. Browsh doesn't run good, it's like it's running a firefox instance. Elinks with js just plain doesn't work. Spidermonkey might do some javascript things but as far as I can see it either doesn't work most of the time or doesn't support the features websites require to let your browser pass a javascript challenge.

>>84386 edbrowse is...surprisingly good in my experience (few years ago) but its also edbrowse

>>84384 What was the Mercury vulnerability?

>>84387 This is the single worst best option I have tried to date. Thanks, I hate it.

>>84395 again Every javascript-required horseshit site that I want to load text from (github discussions, various stackexchange style sites, raspberry pi forum etc) works correctly with edbrowse. And they load quickly. And they seem to stop loading at the point where the page can be read. This is incredibly disappointing. I feel personal embarassment and shame at the fact that this thing works. Edbrowse is not usable as a text browser, it is barely usable as a page viewer, because it is ed stapled to a webpage parser and that is what it is necessarily intended to be. I am going to need to try to do some chainsaw surgery to frankenstein edbrowse's js resolver into the part of elinks where js went to die. I am not good at computer. This will go badly. Wish me luck.

>>84222 Because they are becoming an OS for runnig web apps. HTML is dead. Long live HTML.

>>84222 i use firefox+ublock and it's very snappy for the most part. only exception is that I have one laptop that runs wangblows and any time i've put off an OS update for a week, i swear to god the browser chugs for some reason. it's happened consistently enough that i'm convinced it's not a coincidence and microsoft is intentionally fuarrrking with me to get me to install the update but any time i bring this up or search it online, i can't find anyone else who has had the same issue. its a dam conspiracy also if you have a soykaf connection and are browsing "modern" sites that have 20 components sending out 10 requests each before they'll render, then all of the hardware acceleration in the world isn't gonna help you

I think it's because they use HTML. I always thought it would be cool if instead of writing HTML CSS and JS if the browser was just a lisp visualizer. Lisp is a better designed language than JS anyway and doing it that way would mean only learning one language. It also would make the web and the browser way less bloated. If I had my way you would send lisp code over the web that would get just in time compiled to wasm and then that wasm would execute in a container.

>>84286 >>84333 >run a speedtest i've heard ISPs have some way to give you better speed when you're connecting to domain for a known speedtest site so they aren't that helpful anyway. possible conspiracy bs tho

>>85217 Doubt. My speeds sometimes are slower than old dial up speeds on some tests.

>>84222 >have 7-8 windows open because no browser has gotten workspaces correct >things start to slow down >chance to get random non-responsive bugs drastically climbs It's just so embarrassing how soykaf software is now.

>>84399 good luck if your frankenstein monsterbrowser comes out half OK please publish it I am keen to use this

>>84222 Work fine on my machines.

Because browsers have become as complex as an operating system. And in general, software bloat along with legacy baggage from 20+ years ago. I'm hoping ladybird will help us here but we'll have to wait and see.

> software bloat along with legacy baggage from 20+ years ago. This, god damn <b> tags still work, and the HTML 4 DTD is still accepted just fine; and the new garbage constantly being added on top is certainly not helping >I'm hoping ladybird will help us here but we'll have to wait and see. >"based on web standarts" dead before conception. It's like saying "I, and I alone, will be the one to make lead sweetened wine correctly, and therefore I won't suffer any side effects"; a noble idea, but a foolish one The browser must become small again, as currently it is: - a password manager - a video player - an image viewer - an audio player - an SVG renderer - a pdf viewer (and editor sometimes) - a download manager - an XML parser - a language translator - a JavaScript playground - an HTML/CSS renderer That last one is all it should be, and yet here we are: hundreds of megabytes of scripts, doing client-side "rendering" (converting JSON to HTML), all in order to display some text in a box with rounded corners I truly wonder why modern browsers have builtin codecs, instead of using the system's available ones For fuarrrk's sake, Google made an entire operating system that is nothing but a browser. This madness must end Why do we "need" JavaScript in our modern age? backwards compatibility? fuarrrk that, java applets were deprecated and now it's ECMAscript's turn. if HTML were to add "on-scroll-load=...", "update-every-x-seconds=...", and maybe a couple more attributes/interfaces, then more than 98% of websites would run just fine, if not better, and there would be no more absolute need to update browsers for mitigations against the inherent malware that is user scripts automatically running the instant they load. yes, I am calling for the death, the killing, of "web apps". Let those who want to write such abominations and those who must run them use some electron-like runtime/compiler. maybe a weaker solution would be to have scripts disabled by default and have website request to use scripts, like they request to use the camera and whatnot. current browsers should at least have a setting to choose which microphones and cameras websites can and cannot SEE. If I am using a high quality mic , maybe I don't want teams and zoom to be able to randomly switch to my garbage inbuilt system one.

i dont have that issue and i just used vanilla ungoogled chromium with ublock

>>84222 My washer doesn't allow me to control the water level. It just has an autosense feature. I know what the water level should be but it won't let me adjust it. I got it for free but still. Modern software is built with the same sh!t-for-brains mentality. My disposition towards machines and software is do what I fncking told you, now. And a lot of modern software simply doesn't. It's made by psychosically raped urbanites who only understand some weird, soy'd... like, dominance and submission soykaf. Or quasi-maternal / parentified / emotional incest'd "I know best". It's definitely an early childhood development related defect that's carried over into the design of software. And I hate it.

>>85633 Web browsers are operating systems at this point, and the actual OS is just a bootloader for the browser.

>>84222 WASM will save us (make it worse)

>>85658 >>85659 Look, all I'm asking for is a HTML+CSS renderer that can load more HTML on scroll and update a div every X seconds, using standardized methods that can be disabled and manually triggered, so that no random requests can be sent without user consent, nor random programs run on load. I suppose some captcha API too should be included, probably some automated proof-of-work thing like brave and anubis do. Is that too much to ask for? if yes, good; be ambitious.

>>84222 I use Brave browser with settings optimized to as much privacy as possible. It helps bypass Youtube ads and ads on Tubitv. I also use Brave browser on my phone.

>>85680 >all I'm asking for is a HTML+CSS renderer that can load more HTML on scroll and update a div every X seconds, using standardized methods that can be disabled and manually triggered, so that no random requests can be sent without user consent, nor random programs run on load. Web dev here. The paradigm for how pages load, how/when images are fetched, and how/when JS runs are the way they are for your sake, not ours. That being said, chumps who insist on everything being done with npm and React are to blame here not the user agent. If we went back to 2003 when every image loading rerendered the entire page layout, fonts weren't cached, and anything resembling media required a plugin, it would be worse. A lot of things have been enshittified but most of them are developers who wanted to make their jobs look cooler by using package managers, typescript, tree shaking, etc. not the actual underlying browser tech.

>>85719 >Web dev here. I too share this burden to some extent. (I design and normalize SQL databases, mostly for websites) >The paradigm for how pages load, how/when images are fetched, and how/when JS runs are the way they are for your sake, not ours. I'm afraid I ought disagree. Ease of development >>>> literally everything else, including resource consumption, server security, and client security; at least according to industry it seems >chumps who insist on everything being done with npm and React are to blame here absolute irrefutable truth >not the user agent unsure what you meant by that >If we went back to 2003 when [...], it would be worse true, but that's not what I meant, I'm advocating for the standardization of some HTMX-like thing into HTML (attributes that make the page dynamic in a predictable way, for both the end-user, and the developer), and the deprecation of JS, the same way Java applets were thrown out

Tor Browser and Mullvad Browser are becoming soykafe First Mullvad Browser removed the security slider from the toolbar lol and now Tor Browser is considering the same lol I guess thats what happens when donations are spent on pink hair dye rather then fixing and improving the browser lol https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/mullvad-browser/-/issues/329 https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/tor-browser/-/issues/42572 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooNmubCA680

>>85633 >Why do we "need" JavaScript in our modern age? We don't. The ad tech and governmental surveillance machine needs it so they can steal everyone's data with modern browsers and track everyone across the Internet with browser fingerprinting. They control the architecture of the web, everyone else including web developers is too busy and dumb, they're along for the cursed clown ride that never ends. Google and their ilk want to insert themselves as middlemen, so they keep web standards complicated as possible so nobody else can make a functional browser. They will never ever implement the simple sensible ideas in this thread because it would hurt their bottom line. They love the idea of websites being megabytes of compiled code that only run on their special browsers. If somebody makes an independent browser, websites will break in a standards compliant browser that handles undefined behavior differently, at this point many websites depend on the unholy trinity of Chromium, WebKit, Firefox. Introduce even more APIs all the time. These APIs make every browser's fingerprint unique, creating a tracking supercookie which should be illegal or impossible. https://browserleaks.com >>85680 The infinite scroll was invented to keep users on the site, to keep them watching ads for longer. Pagination, long pages with lazy loading already solves it without JS, but if the user had to press the next page button they'd think "maybe I've had enough for now". That choice is taken away, the next page button is pressed for them. >>85719 >how/when JS runs are the way they are for your sake Certainly not for the user's sake. It's because of incompetence and to increase corporate profits. People would likely prefer old style sites with minimal JS and modern CSS. It's possible with modern frameworks, but it's almost never done. >back to 2003 when every image loading rerendered the entire page layout You realize websites like that, like Lainchan, tend to be faster in practice than modern soyware, right? They also work in small indie browsers. Which websites are heating up phones and spinning up laptop fans, the JS abominations or the 2003 sites that "waste" CPU cycles by rerendering? >fonts weren't cached, and anything resembling media required a plugin No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Caching and media are fine. Were you aware that YouTube or Pornhub <video> playback would work perfectly without JS today, including incremental buffering? This also implies they'd work without a browser. These companies wouldn't like that at all. They artificially make you run their jank so they know who you are and at which second in what video you scratched your left nut. But what about their server costs? Nobody's forced to host for free, they could use WebTorrent, charge dollars per terabyte, apply for government funding or close the website. They want to be the exclusive host, they want to host for free, because ads and spying are a more lucrative business model than any of the above. I'm rambling, all I'm saying is some time ago cool technology and the user's best interest took a back seat, now it's all about exploitative business practices and building moats. They only want us thinking about the brand and the "experience", not the awful software underpinning it, like how Apple does it. What they really don't want us thinking about is how easily replaceable their social media, cloud, mail, chat, video, browser, hosting businesses are, they do a good job at hiding that. >>86640 Right click Customize Toolbar Drag it back It is worrying though as this is how Tor Browser killed the unified user agent for no good reason, step by step.

>>84222 sounds like you have a problem with firefox and misconfiguration of DNS. for example there is a bug on firefox where it tries to look up your computer's local hostname so let us say my pc is lain@gentoo during boot if you were to use any packet analysis dump/tool you will see that there is a request for localhost which is itself "gentoo" this is the DHCP name, I used to make my hostname google.com and this caused unnecessary google.com queries upon boot and this is the primary reason why there are times that firefox is too slow to start up. the BAD fix is to simply enable dns over https "max protection" and it is BAD since it doesn't fix the underlying issue that is hostname leaks that firefox do which also lags the browser usually 13-40 seconds upon opening, but I misread your post and it was actually a gpu issue, to answer the question you should just switch to chrome which has better implementations, firefox has memory leak for isolated web processes regardless of OS or platform! the webasm, JS, and html5 elements are also faster on chrome, although scrolling with keyboard is like kicking dead whales down the beach a lot on chrome there are workarounds on it and enabling middle click scroll is a mess (I hope chrome devs read and allow us to use middle click scroll instead of leaking our clipboard on linux middleclick paste for the 999th time! on chrome). gpu and vaapi/vdpau and other implementation on firefox is somewhat glitchy even with a ubuntu prebuilt device so it's not recomended for anything graphic intensive or has videos. but also there is a thing with hardware perf issues I think it must have something to do with your setup, some things like swapping the ram slots can fix, or removing one faulty ram causing a significant noise, or reducing other noise sources, enabling/disabling spread spectrum modes on Bios if you have one. also one reason as to why most of those listed game console browsers being better it is since the developers are more disciplined and it is more optimized and yes I miss using opera mini on my S40 device while browsing the last of Y! geocities and G appspot (aka g-spot) that was blazing fast too! xhtml gz webpages served in no cipher (non-https) would make pages load and appear as you click and this was back when internet was Edge. >>84224 that thing in 2019 shift is true. smooth scroll is fine for lite websites like this but when there's a video playing and scrolling the only browser to remain smooth is chromium this is to say that I have set up my gpu drivers properly (on arch) but for firefox I need to disable screen composting for picture-in-picture video or html5 games. another thing is most modern displays are not as smooth as the good old TFT with 0-3ms b-w versus modern VA/IPS/OLED with significant temporal dithers and 35ms black-to-white delay which is essential for text scrolling whereas the listed gaming consoles of OP may have better response times.

Terrible news, lains. Cloudflare has decided to implement modernized anti-AI and anti-bot features to their default protections. This means that even more of the internet will choose to rely on cloudflare instead of on protection measures and anti-DDoS providers that are friendlier to lightweight browsers or text-based browsers. Prepare for an internet inaccessible to lynx, or at least inaccessible to torsocks+lynx.

>>87515 Here it comes, mandatory fingerprints for everyone. When we're used to that, next thing we'll need proprietary device attestation for websites, similar to mobile apps. You're running rooted BSD? That's too bad. Stop using Cloudflare websites. Stop using websites demanding JavaScript for no reason. Your attention and posting effort is valuable, don't give it to the Devil. When Lainchan starts fingerprinting, and that day will come because the surveillance people can't stand anonymous spaces on the web, don't visit Lainchan anymore. Let it die, let the owners think about it. Don't let yourself get pressured into running spyware.

>>87516 Don't you think it's a bit unfair to attack lainchan admins in your post when this website is still better than 99.9% of the modern interwebs?

>>87518 I think his point is that even the 0.1% isn't safe from greedy eyes

>>87515 >Prepare for an internet inaccessible to lynx, or at least inaccessible to torsocks+lynx. At this point I don't give a soykaf, because it slowly but steadily gets inaccessible to FIREFOX. I unironically get more challenges when using mullvad browser than when using ungoogled chromium. Even youtube blocks mullvad browser, but leaves ungoogled chromium alone, despite me using the SAME IP address.

>>87521 Running youtube through a browser is a chore. My poor raspberry pi can't load one of these high def ads. I've started to rely on an increasingly complicated dotfile that defines shell functions invoking yt-dlp through torsocks for search functions (mostly just variants of ytsearch: but a couple of really hairy ones for json retrieval and parsing), thumbnail viewing, video description+comments, and feeding to mpv. I'm happier now but some of that's probably just the personal investment effect.

>>87518 I don't think that was an attack. I respect Lainchan admins, but we can't expect them to become martyrs when intelligence thugs put on the never ending heat. Take a look at Cock.li. It's a legitimate service, it breaks no laws, it's user-friendly and free. Admins get harassed off the face of the Earth by intelligence agencies for not submitting to their illegal surveillance. Authorities don't do anything because the government and FAGMAN united into a good old boys club and they don't give a soykaf about human rights. >2025-04-04 >Cock.li links donated e-mail domain 'hitler.rocks' to two intelligence agencies, permanently removes it from registration >The story of `hitler.rocks` did not get funnier when we uncovered its origins. After a thorough investigation which has taken place over the last several years, we've concluded it is extremely likely that `hitler.rocks` was originally offered to cock.li as a poison fruit intended to destabilize the service. And we are certain that the same agencies who were in a position to execute such an operation took every advantage of its association to cock.li, including threatening to associate the domain with unrelated parties in order to convince them to antagonize our service in various acts of cowardice. >In addition to threats, these same agencies are connected to actual attacks against the service. One individual associated with `hitler.rocks` and later connected to the identified agencies admitted to signing cock.li's abuse mailbox up for thousands of mailing lists, resulting in millions of spam e-mails and a measurable and permanent decrease in our efficiency in processing abuse reports. >>81584 >We recently had to fly someone to another country and hire a private investigator to track down a disappeared host who refused to allow us any access to our disks while he had them plugged into his computers to try to crack into them.

>>84286 I feel your pain lainon, I'm working as a support on an ISP.

>>84326 browser bloat has nothing to do with normal people or hardware businesses had a choice: make a web app using open standards vs make a windows app they chose the obvious option

>>84286 coz its not a tech support thread its a M$ agit prop thread

>>84321 Part of it is JS, part of it is everyone expecting you to have at least 2 MB/s down at all times, and part of it, I would argue the biggest part, is all the soykaf people have shoehorned into the internet because "ooh shiny!". Browsers have a fuarrrkton of problems all on their own. But as far as slowness goes it's almost entirely a modern web issue. Thank Google by the way.

>>85633 To iterate on this other anon's thoughts, I've often thought modern web browsers are really just taking the place of other applications. Their only truly unique features from my POV are: 1. layout 2. composability I like to think that something that provided these two features could fill the gap that is a web browser using already existing software. Youtube for example is primarily a video player, so you could glue MPV in a layout to your editor displaying comments and allowing for replies. An image gallery viewer application would then be composed in layout for related videos. Clay seems a good fit for layout (a 2D layout C library). You'd need a good expandable but degradable protocol for the composed UI and inter-application data transfer. I could see something like this working as a nested desktop environment. Sort of like running emacs under a video player, with both emacs and the video player being connected.

The lynx situation is terrible. Currently, literotica is still accessible under lynx even with tor. But there are countless thousands of written erotica sites which are inaccessible, and the numbers are only increasing, due to the widespread online reliance on cloudflare. For a while it seemed like AI and related scraping was going to give us some reprieve, that writers and writing sites would move to non-cloudflare solutions incl. the Anubis meme software. But that was a false dawn. Presently there is no way to access AO3 mpreg omegaverse erotica under lynx and that's terrible. What is even the point of an internet without gay pregnancy?

Tor browser 15.0 no longer respects system font settings, instead using some tiny barely visible font. Downgrade is not possible, because the 14.x branch was removed. Perhaps will have to compile myself, but building tor browser takes a lot of time, because autistic, I mean reproducible, builds require you to build everything from scratch, IIRC down to the compiler itself.

How is this thread still alive? Anyways, I've since moved on to Palemoon since flash is useful and it looks far better than any FF fork Too bad it's still fuarrrking slow, the browser stalls while typing every 5 or so seconds, full on 1-2 second long freezes! Also happens while scrolling every 10 or so seconds. There is no documented fix other than get an i9 or some soykaf, as if an E450 w 8gb of 1333mhz is "too slow" to type and scroll on lainchan without hitching every few seconds, all these soydevs NEED the rope Compiling it might fix the stutters, its plenty fast except for the stutters but I don't have the time to set up a build environment, especially since it probably wont build under Windows 7

>>89495 https://digdeeper.neocities.org/articles/browsers.xhtml#palemoon

>>89496 The curse of having independent projects run by nerds and not a big company means its going to be run by socially inept retards who cant exist in an environment that requires coexisting with others or going mad over the smallest amount of noteriety Theres ALWAYS some bullshit when it comes to these things, their job is to make the browser work more good and thats it. Always shooting themselves in the foot for literally no fuarrrking reason

>>89496 derp derper didnt read, didnt even read your post, didnt even read the surrounding posts. you posted an "i am retarded" 96chars96chars96chars96chars96chars96chars96chars96chars96chars96chars96chars96chars

>>84222 Newbie-friendly way to speed up sluggish browsers is to install some tracker blockers.

>>89643 and that's why I lament over not having 10000 BTC bought with gift money in Spring 2010/Summer 2010 could have supported some good projects since corporate projects also end up in "some soykaf for no reason" here, then they fix t but add even more songbirdf there and so on.

>>89495 Why would you use Flash instead of Ruffle? >>89490 You can be identified by font you use.

>>90024 >You can be identified by font you use. Holy fuarrrk give me a break. I don't want to ruin my ass by looking at your tiny ass font. Make it larger holy fuarrrking soykaf.

because they're full of bloat and un-optimized lol

>>84222 It's because they're aimless standards upon standards of garbage piled up so high that they managed to turn a networked document viewer into an entire operating system. Of course it runs like soykaf.

Because a monopoly (Google) is maintaining its monopoly by pushing bloat that only they have the resources to maintain. It's really that simple.