is this the end?

an amazing website like no other on the internet, it offered so much insight into the past, it hosted so much material(mostly public domain) and it doesn't have any alternatives i know of, i considered it to be one of the most important foundations of modern internet, and now it's being ddosed by whoever would benefit from it, probably you know who

>>80537 > is this the end? It will all be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end. > it doesn't have any alternatives i know of There are a few major archives and communities that do their best to pick up the slack. r/DataHoarders, the-eye.eu, archiveteam, etc. That said they were the largest archive for quite some time, and their absence is missed. > it's being ddosed by whoever would benefit from it, probably you know who Don't get mad at strawmen, get busy picking up the slack. Archive that which you consider important. If you need motivation, what would you do if the Internet Archive went down for good?

The fact that people keep their soykaf solely on this one stupid site is insane. Especially when the administrators will take down anything upon request from corporations. Also, the web archive is like kicking dead whales down the beach ass. Constantly slow and many page elements for archived snapshots like the CSS and whatnot tend to be forgotten.

>>80538 >r/DataHoarders, the-eye.eu, archiveteam >neurosuggesting that they’re doing it for a good cause and are totally not attention whores

>>80541 its better than attention whoring and also doing nothing, like you

>whoever would benefit from it, probably you know who The CDN Cartel and their associations with Western spy agencies?

>>80543 They were already using cloudflare.. But with a project that big and old, it's hard to keep your real servers ips from leaking, it's relatively easy to bypass cloudflare in most case.

>>80544 I had no idea. Surprised I never had to fill out a captcha to view an old web page.

I was spending my evening surfing medieval occult manuscripts just days ago, woke up to see it all gone. I hope the IA will be back and fuarrrk whoever did this. Its always been volunteer driven so the fact that so many people are mad about this gives me hope. I'm more worried by publishers slapping them with a huge ass fine that will force them to close. Sigh... it really does feel like the old internet is dying and big tech is slowly killing off every cherished institution we have.

>>80546 So much information is disappearing left and right that you really can't find them online anymore. Even for research or knowledge, many sites have ceased to exist now and are lost in time now. I've been looking for info regarding small music arts (So I can publish them to Discogs profiles) and you can't find much about them these days. Consider everything you see online as a temporary thing. The internet exists today to sell you something. The people who made the internet great during the golden days are either in hiding or have made their talent become a full-time job. Horrifying to think about the future of the internet when the few people out there who are still trying to make it a better place and are revolting against big tech end up disappearing one day.

>>80544 Thats a trivial firewall rule isnt it? Only accept connections from cloudflare reverse proxy ips?

Is it getting heavily DDOSed? If so, what do people get out of doing that? Unless all that traffic is coming from people that are doing some AI training on it, which is scummy.

>>80551 It got hacked and is being DDoSed

>>80551 Now im curious if anyone has tried to DDoS someone doing a DDoS attack before to stop them.

>>80548 Just curious. You wrote: "The people who made the internet great during the golden days". In your opinion what sites/services made the internet great and do you see no alternatives today?

>>80564 The early internet was driven by dreamers who fantasized about putting stuff online for free for anyone to access. It was for free exchange, sharing, playing around e.g. the Internet classics archive at MIT or MIT open courseware. The homebrew computer club was influenced a lot by post-development theorists like Ivan Illich, who championed the right to unproductive creativity, power over tools, and rejection of bureaucracy, and de-schooling. Today's internet entrepreneurs see everything as a paid service. Why should you be allowed to access books for free? No, that's a threat to our bottom line! Here is this sleek paid for service instead and nice property respecting "open source" software. Good old services are things like the internet archive, MIT open courseware. MIT and old college sites used to put up a lot of quality information up for free.

>is this the end it's fine. They are likely doing some very VERY much needed update to the site.

this upsets hackers enough to warrant that group being doxxed or atleast something in retaliation, right. burning a library wow good job guys. i called them retarded on tg but got my msg deleted but atleast they had to read that. can't really do much else

Why isn't this stored decentralized? Why is everyone content with their favorite rare data being in some glitterboy's rack server? Operated by incompetent attention seekers, used by mindless passive consumers, what could go wrong. Everyone should seed a few TB of stuff they care about, problem solved forever. No central servers, IPs, domain names to shut off.

>>80572 >glitterboy oh the numberschizo guy is back Anyway, your solution is good in theory but will fail in real case scenario. Some people, like myself, need access to pages most likely no one ever saw before and only got archived because they use bots. So you need centralization somewhere, at least for the indexing/archiving part. + no one keeps seeding files nowadays, we will lost most of non-mainstream data pretty quickly.

>>80576 P2P could be done if the archive was broken down into small segments that were regularly replaced with updated versions containing new additions. You'd only need an index and groups responsible for creating updated segments.

>>80576 I not understand this, I am being here H-2B temporal postings visa from /g/ saar, kindly rectify numberings of schizos? >will fail in real case scenario Agreed... =( >So you need centralization somewhere, at least for the indexing/archiving part. Agreed, wouldn't work easily without a centralized steward, curator. Doesn't excuse the past getting deleted though. (Technically it can work fully decentralized too, Byzantine fault tolerance is a solved problem, similar to how cryptocurrency networks with many independent untrusted node operators can expand a single decentralized database. But yeah that ain't gonna happen.) >>80578 Like this lainon said. E.g. libgen's books: https://libgen.is/repository_torrent/, broken down into individually usable ~2GB torrents that never expire, new torrents added regularly. with database backups containing book metadata, this is small and periodically updated: https://data.library.bz/dbdumps/ Internet Archive is more complex because for best space efficiency diffs have to be taken into account. Certainly not impossible though. The hard part is to get people to give a damn, use the system, develop a solid local browser, seed. Which they won't, so P2P IA will not happen.

>>80537 >temporarily offline >Installing NSA malware Many chans had it installed too. Same modus operandi. They want more granular control of who is downloading what. Obviously it's dumb, but apparently they call it 'intelligence'. It's as intelligent as inviting a killer into our home to sleep in the kids bedroom then installing a state-of-the-art baby monitor in the room. Retarded.

>>80540 Don't try being too edgy, it's uncalled for. This website for its faults had some really good use. It would not hurt anyone standing at it did unless a bunch of major assholes wanted to scrub even that last part of internet to push us into a new age of electronic amnesia. We rightfully should hate this. >>80548 Personal local saves are important, and going back to book is too, but the publishers don't reprint all books or only to modify their content with new editions. They definitely hate independence and things existed outside of their centralized "meta" environment. >>80543 is in a large part correct but we're looking at intermediaries. Too much power in so few hands when it comes to distributing domains. >>80567 Not good, >>80609 is likely. There is zero reason why the usual scumbags would not inject their filth into large "free" repositories. They need to See, Control & Filter. >>80568 >i called them retarded on tg but got my msg deleted On 4craps right? Check out 4plebs and please give us a link to the thread and see if your post is still there. >>80571 Centralization would be much less of a problem if it had sprouts and many ghost-branches. Counting on one single source to handle all of it on its own is indeed very risky and silly, it's playing with death.

I'm not too familiar with freenet, but it seems like you could have a sort of distributed storage thing there if someone set it up. Then everything would be stored in bits and pieces on thousands of computers worldwide, completely anonymously. It would be impossible to take down. Does that sound doable? If so, it would be a really cool project to try.

>>80675 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent

>>80551 https://x.com/Sn_darkmeta/status/1845502888480579860 the group claims it's to draw attention to the injustices in Palestine As of now the ddos is over and the internet archive is doing maintenance. No data was lost. >>80576 >>glitterboy >oh the numberschizo guy is back glitterboy is part of the language enhancement here, new friend.

>>80690 >the group claims it's to draw attention to the injustices in Palestine Why should the Internet Archive care about what's happening to some random place in the Middle East? The internet getting political was a big mistake. The people who do these kind of movements are mentally ill and their actions bring no good to anyone whatsoever. Just look at the kinds of attacks they've brought in when the Ukraine war was hot topic. People were showing support for the situation in Ukraine by maliciously targeting Russian users who have nothing to do with that soykaf by embedding malware onto projects and denying service to them. GnuDB being one example. https://github.com/flacon/flacon/issues/179 It's pretty bad and it'll get worse with the next current phenomenon that's occurs.

>>80690 Either this is the stupidest Palestine solidarity group around or this is a front group for something else. Well, that or someone taking credit for someone else's work. Great way to draw sympathy for your cause, by attacking the good guys.

>>80692 >>80690 Actually, wait... Reading the rest of their statement now, these lines are very revealing: >On June 1st, 2020, four major publishing houses— Hachette Book Group, Penguin Random House, HarperCollins, and John Wiley— filed a lawsuit against the Internet Archive in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, claiming that the Internet Archive’s regulated digital lending practices constitute copyright infringement. On March 25th, 2023, the court ruled in favor of the publishers. The negotiated ruling issued on August 11, 2023, prohibited the Internet Archive from lending books for which electronic copies are sold digitally. >On August 11th, 2023, the major music companies Universal Music Group, Sony Music, and Concord (along with their subsidiaries Capitol Records, Arista Records, and CMGI Recorded Music Assets) also filed a lawsuit against the Internet Archive in the same federal court in New York regarding the archive's Great 78 project, demanding $621 million in damages for alleged copyright infringement. >The archive was supposed to be a reference for information, but the site has started to resemble piracy sites. Frankly, we are astonished, as the picture has become clear: The archive is officially responsible for this circus they created to escape from lawsuits and financial crimes. Do you want a job with us, Brewster Kahle? In other words this group wants us to be mad at Internet Archive for violating copyright law. They want us to think they actually deserved to have a bunch of scumbag publishers go after them. So I was right then: this is a front group. No hacktivist group would suck off copyright law.

I assure yall if IA ever goes fully down (which is not happening for the forseeable future) some eccentric on the team will become a martyr and just release everything on some decentralized service, regardless of legal implications. Yall gotta remember many of them are the old guard - they come from an era where hacktivism actually meant something and sharing of data was integral to the whole ideology, unlike most of you skids you see today who aint even know who cDc is.

>>80698 Like you? So how does it feel?

>>80540 Sounds like you have some good ideas for an alternative. Get to work

>vax >pol America, China, Russia and all those who feel friendly towards any of them should be sent over to Mars to fuarrrk with each other there and leave the normal people alone.

>>80694 This case has been dragging on forever relative to when the site was attacked. It's no one's fault but your own that you've only just heard of it, after a false flag would actually matter, and both the result and this hack have only increased sympathy for IA. Take your medd.

>>80691 It's either bullcrap or they are the lowest IQ hackers to ever put their hands on a keyboard. This only hurts their retarded cause so my guess is malice not retardation

>>80707 It's odd that you interpreted that post to mean it only just learned about it. Maybe you should get some more sleep or look for your own meds somewhere? Anyone who uses IA has been well aware of publishers attacking them the past year. The point is a dubious hacktivist group wants us to actually side with the publishers by citing the lawsuits among a list of IA's wrongdoings.

>>80691 > Why should the Internet Archive care about what's happening to some random place in the Middle East? The IA has always been a left leaning community activism group. It’s always been political. Maybe not retarded political like people are here, presumably because IA staff are functional adults with lives. Pretty clear this whole Palestine thing is a front and Hachette is behind this.

>Why should I download and store the stuff I like on the internet when it's always going to be there when I want it? Didn't we all think this at some point? Well, now we know why.

Really funny how normal users think that sending everything of importance onto this one centralized site is a good idea. They really think that this slow unresponsive site, that gets into several legal issues, is ideal for preserving content for generations to come. They're dumb as soykaf.

>>80733 With nobody else willing to step up and make an accessible distributed data sharing system, where else can people go? Sure, there's IPFS but it hasn't exactly taken off, plus it more or less got tainted when it's developers wasted time integrating blockchain crap into it. Usenet is about as relevant with the younger generations as disco, not helping matters that it's somewhat closed off and riddled with spam. You sure as hell can't trust any for-profit to be preservationist either.

>>80734 BitTorrent would be ideal

>>80735 Potentially, if only the mere use of BitTorrent wasn't an instant red alarm for so many ISPs (especially western and far east ones), regardless of the legitimacy of it's use. Even putting that aside, any distributed system requires... well, distribution. What would it take to get a ton of people around the world to seed, even if only partially, such a system?

>>80690 >the group claims it's to draw attention to the injustices in Palestine I call bullshit. If they'd actually care they'd try to sabotage corporations by e.g. ruining factories and components for the F-35, not the IA. I expect this to become more common too, where anything inconvenient for the (((TPTB))) is attacked under the guise of "Palestine support". In any case, I believe we need better tools to archive and index websites/other internet things locally so we can reduce dependency on single, big targets. Or if such tools already exists they should be promoted more.

internet archive is the best site to ever exsist.

>>80739 >internet archive is the best site to ever exsist. citation needed

>>80537 >probably you know who no, i don't know. and i don't want to know who you think it is either, that could not possibly offer me any insight into anything i don't already know. >>80740 wikipedia is not a website and you're a simp if you use it through the website

>is this the end? >Temporarily Offline >Temporary OP is retarded /thread >>80540 >>80571 >>80572 >>80540 >>80540 This >>80542 >>80703 A solution would be to mirror pages you want archived in our own sites, or use other archive sites like archive.is (Just an example, there are many others) more often. If this was a common practice, we wouldn't be as dependant on archive.org and, best case scenario, archive.org being down wouldn't be a big deal at all and this thread wouldn't exist

Get a high capacity hard drive or two. Encrypt it. Store everything you want on it. Use the other one for a backup. The space aliens come and shut down the entire internet. Tough soykafe, martians, you already have all the stuff you want.

>>80757 Why encrypting. Encrypt this encrypt that it's only overhead of typing easily brute forceable password

>>80746 >OP is retarded OP likely means is this the beginning of the end, due to a setup orchestrated from within.

>>80690 >the group claims it's to draw attention to the injustices in Palestine You'd have to be living under a rock stuck in the bottom of the deepest oceanic chiasm not to be aware of what is going on in Palestine right now. These retards had no right to do what they did and they're not collecting good points doing so, quite the contrary.

>>80694 They may be unrelated but the timely happening does raise some flags. On the other hand it wouldn't be a good move to act as a piracy site or give off all the signs of being one by venturing on infringing currently published content, that's not the purpose of the IA. Either these people have become stupid or someone inside is deliberately putting them on wrong tracks to sabotage them.

>>80697 >>80695 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_the_Dead_Cow

>>80738 Pretty much this. Seeking to destroy an invaluable community resource in the crossfire doesn't fall in line with the sentiment the majority of Palestinian empathizes have, in my experience at least. I find it more likely it's a glow op than it is tech savvy yet ideologically inept people.

I feel the archive has always had some issues. One being content you dont want being saved getting saved then you have no power over erasing something you wrote, it makes everything more permanent. Also there is far too many duplicates of the same pages where nothing changed often multiple per day taking up precious space and making it take longer to navigate through changes.

wwwait . . . archive org is dead, google cache is dead, nico nico douga is refusing service to overseas, gov discussing shut down/split of google world gov seems like messing with the web >80757 20 years ago we had city wide scale LAN free to use. Then Big tech money came & shutted it down.

>>80798 >nico nico douga is refusing service to overseas is it? I can still watch videos from there. Are there others services I am not aware of? I know 2ch blocks everything that doesn't have an IP from japan.

>>80798 > archive org is dead, google cache is dead Google was actually going to move it's cache over to the archive I recall hearing. > 20 years ago we had city wide scale LAN free to use. Then Big tech money came & shutted it down. How did they shut it down? First I heard of this too. Im only aware some areas have large meshnets set up with resirvers on the rooftops even. > gov discussing shut down/split of google And that's a good thing. Though no guarantee Google would stop being evil if it's ad company is separated. >>80808 Some Japanese sites do this when they run into issues with foreigners uploading uncensored content that is illegal in Japan or they have issues of harassment including death threats or simply not able to afford server space.

>>80808 Yeah, niconico only shut down the english version of the site a year or two ago. It still works fine, but you need to read moonrunes now.

>>80817 Wish they'd ban people for spamming the word tr*nny and for engaging in culture war glitterboyry.

>>80829 Speak English. Most all sites these days still allow email registration as far as Im aware. Google, Apple, Twitter, Facebook logins are all just meant as "conveniences " for the people that dont want to use password managers or remember multiple passwords but have no awareness of risk of losing it all at once. I've really only seen email providers and academic sites ask for phone numbers and other personal information required.

>>80847 Clearly not part of the government, academia or big business. My heart always goes out to good Jews. I hope your people change their ways.

>>80694 What are the odds real hackers will go after this group?

>>80770 it is probably just skids fuarrrking around as they have since the invention of the wire.

>>80738 >>80770 >Translation: Nah, my side wouldn't do this. How unsurprisingly intellectually dishonest. Look, I don't have a dog in this race, but both of these sides have been a bit of a nuisance in their own ways in attempting to "bring awareness." I wouldn't be surprised if some crazed loon cut someone's head off on livestream or kidnapped some muslim and drown it on a livestream, just to bring awareness. I'm just glad IA is back online.

It's the idiotic pro-palestine people.

Is this the end? Probably, yes. The remaining networks are too obscure and disorganized to pose a meaningful preservation/resistance effort.

Whatever this group is they're bizarre. Israeli but pro-palestine and staunchly anti-piracy hacker group no one has ever heard of before targeting a mostly apolitical non-commercial resource. There really are all kinds of people in this world. Or maybe it's just the feds, who knows.

People need to start archiving stuff themselves. Me and some friends have a small nass box that we've been uploading stuff to for years now. At least they have some of the website open again.

>>80891 >>80914 Maybe it's Mossad trying to do a false flag. That or gay furries.

They should use this opportunity to just host website archives, wares, and media on seperate sites entirely. I never liked the eggs in one basket feeling IA had. >>80540 >Especially when the administrators will take down anything upon request from corporations. Speaking of IA admins taking things down I always hated that I basically had to dox myself to get archives of my site/accounts elsewhere down but they'll block their friends Twitters from being archived. I don't know if that was still being practiced in 2024. I don't really feel sorry for them either way.

They got it back online! Looks like everything is still there?

>>80926 Did you add this to your robots.txt? Supposedly it does not work very well but it's something. User-agent: ia_archiver Disallow: /

lmao at the rebels ITT complaining about IA having a monopoly in the market. you realize if it was "decentralized" like you wanted then there would be no archive in existence for you bottom-feeders to even lobby against. everything would be in a different place and none of it would be reliable. it's like asking people to run their programs on a kernel that isn't linux, or host their servers on a 2-bit piece of crap platform that isn't AWS or Azure.

>>80563 the thing about ddos is that it's, you know, distributed >>80930 from the beginning they said no data was lost.

IA only got funds to store the data (which incl. keeping, at least what was uploaded, safe) do note that there are complete backups all across the globe. i want this to be very very clear. tell a friend. tell your family. actually, not only that, just tell people to start their own local archive. also... check out ghostarchive while y'all are at it.................... whenever saving a page online, use all the services. please...... >>80740 it's true!!!

yet another portion of lies/ ddos? They sell ddos prevention brickset to noobs wa got helluva amout of compromising materials and impressive amout of moldware lol ppl who run wa shout it down caouse they accidently ate their soykaf

>>80946 Thought some of the data was gone. That's good it wasn't

They got too big for their own good. There is lots of wares and copyrighted material there, but also much material that is on the public domanin now. Its a shame they dont seperate the two properly, the public domain stuff is pretty darn useful. I hope they get a hang of the situation, but it seems it was doomed to become a clusterfuck from the very getgo.

>>80931 I did after the fact, but that doesn't stop them from hosting older archives, unless something changed on their end. >>80987 There wouldn't be as much of a reason to beg for donations due to legal fees then if they had the public domain stuff seperate/ Nobody would care about them if they didn't put copyrighted material alongside public domain material, but because they did, now everyone has to give a soykaf. It's like being held hostage.

Internet Archive claim they are Open Source ... but when I have tried to visit https://web.archive.org/web/https://zona.media/ (a Russian opposition media, blocked by RKN and declared to be an enemy of the state* in its mild form, I get >Sorry. This URL has been excluded from the Wayback Machine in your region. when I access it from Russian IP address. Because they cooperate with RosComSupervision (the piecewise literal translation of the shortened name, РосКомНадзор, RosKomNadzor in translit, abbreviated as РКН, RKN, the full name is Federal Service for Supervision of Communications, Information Technology and Mass Media), the organization of Putin's regime that enforces censorship through legal actions and own middleboxes every ISP must install (or face felony charges). In other word, it's exactly what is called >giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere in >Code of Laws of the United States of America - Title 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE PART I - CRIMES CHAPTER 115 - TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES Sec. 2381 where "them" means "enemies of the U. S.". But don't worry, Internet Archive employees will not > suffer death, or be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and be incapable of holding any office under the United States , because Putin's regime is not an enemy of the United States, but its core ally. While European companies have left due to "sanctions" ... the market has been taken by ... American ones. They claim Wayback Machine to be an Open Source software. I have inspected the source code of Wayback Machine published on GitHub. I dumped https://github.com/orgs/iipc/repositories and https://github.com/orgs/internetarchive/repositories (extracted the list of all repos via API and then cloned them with a bash script) and I have not found the code or l10n data files that shows this message. Likely they have covertly implemented this antifeature. Covertly - because it directly contradicts to what is written at the top of the very the same page I got the message about the censorship: >We're continuing to fight for universal access to quality information—and you can help as we continue to make improvements. Will you chip in? They obviously have accidentally mistyped "for", it's easy to do it if one types from a phone and uses a soykafty keyboard app. * a "foreign agent", the word "agent" has a negative connotation - one of its meanings is a "spy", other more severe forms of being declared an enemy of the state are "undesired (by Putin's regime) organizations" (Medusa Project SIA, the most reputable Russian media), and "extremist organizations" (like Meta inc. (in other words, Facebook), "LGBTQ movement", and Taliban, lumped into the same list).

What do people even use this site for? Do you just browse old websites all day? I can't remember even once needing to use it.

>>82441 it's like museum basically

>>82441 It's in the name: it's an archive. One use it to conduct research or to get information about something, that used to be popular. Also all the stuff removed from the net.

>>82441 sometimes sites go down and you want to see what was on them. I run into dead links from time to time, and its great to resolve those.

>>82441 Check the webring. Check past webring threads. Check to which pages the websites on the webring link to ("friend owned websites"). I assure you you'll find at least a couple dead links in there. It's also there to check for modification to websites or new sites, sometimes new sites say a bit too much and are pushed or paid to spread misinfo by editing or deleting part of their articles, you can check back on those things. Most recent example i can think of for myself is that time i was following oooold links related to xanadu news, some of them were inaccessible (either behind a paywall or they were so old they just got deleted) It also helps as proof x or y person tweeted something or uploaded certain youtube video that's now deleted

>>82524 news website* Sorry, my engrish is broken today

>>82441 if I ever get a broken link, I will immediately go to the Wayback Machine to see what it was supposed to be but also, archive.org has an extremely extensive file catalog, so I downloaded a bunch of PDFs and programs from it pretty often

>>82528 >broken link How often do you get this? The only case I can remember is for alt-chans or other dead sites, you might want to check out what it was like when they were up but that's it, you can't use them anyway because they're gone. How is this a big deal for people I don't understand, I wouldn't miss out on anything important without this. >PDFs and programs I've never had problems finding PDFs or programs without archive.org, there are plenty of places for this.

>>82556 broken links are a natural occurrence in web browsing - not a daily occurrence, but not an uncommon one especially links to smaller sites where the guy hosting realizes he doesn't feel like paying for a domain+vps anymore, so it vanishes like, I guess it wouldn't come up if all I did was go on huge mainstream sites where you almost never have a chance to see links that haven't been checked in more than a month anyway since all you see is recent content also, yes, there are also other places to find software and documents, but archive.org has been incredibly convenient for the task

>>82441 It's a glorified piracy site

>>82441 archive legit saved my ass because it provided evidence that i was employed in a job (listed on the company site employee list) when i suddenly had to proof it a decade later. Im eternally thankful for it.