4chan censorship

Well, it finally happened. 4chan added a form of hidden, automatic censorship and they're banning anyone who mentions it sitewide. Every thread about this is getting deleted, and when I posted it in a small corner of /lit/ I got a 3-day ban for trolling (who am I trolling exactly???) in under 2 minutes. 4chan is now out-and-out pro censorship and it's only going to get worse from here. The clearnet is over(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST, You should always elaborate on your opinions rather than just spilling the soykaf. This is also a borderline Rule 6 violation in spirit if not by letter of the rule.)

Literally who cares about 4chan in 2024? And since when was 4chan ever an anti-censorship free speech activism site? 4chan admin is notoriously lazy, corrupt, and incompetent and have been destroying the site for years allowing it to turn into a degenerate right wing hugbox full of cookie cutter memes, repetitive soykafposts, and spiritual homosexuality. Go complain about your ban elsewhere and maybe take this moment to quit 4chan and the internet entirely. P.S. If your idea of free speech is the ability to spam niggerglitterboy 3x in the mirror then you clearly have brainworms. You are not a victim of censorship. Real censorship is having a cruise missile land on your house for criticizing Obomber or loosing your job because you disagree with the suits.

>>80256 >You are not a victim of censorship. Real censorship is having a cruise missile land on your house for criticizing Obomber or loosing your job because you disagree with the suits. The question is why do you gladly accept shadowbanning and info suppression? If you're anti-censorship you should be disgusted at stuff like that. It doesn't matter -why- the line is being crossed, all that matters is they're crossing it. Of course no one is complaining because "it's just slurs". Well tomorrow it won't be slurs! It'll be any opinion or idea they deem controversial. Give them an inch and they take a mile. Are they within their full rights to do so? Sure. But 4chan is one of the only big sites that was ostensibly anti-censorship and free speech. Now all we have left is twitter. 10 years ago, this was common sense. But what I really suspect is, even on Lainchan, anti-censorship is dying. "Censorship is totally okay" they think "so long as it's used on my enemies".

>>80259 It's obviously to keep bots and spammers off. Apparently you didnt pass the low bar test of intelligence. For several years now they have been banning anyone who has an opinion they dont like same happened on 8chan too and im sure it is even worse on 8kun now but I didnt feel like beating a dead horse to confirm.

>>80259 not that anon, but I will say that they have already been censoring people on 4chan for years now. And, not just that, the userbase fuarrrking is like kicking dead whales down the beach, if you try to make a thread about an issue that actually matters, nobody pays attention. It's all just fuarrrking identity politics, and election bullshit, and "happenings" recent events media sensationalism. Worthless discussions about a milieu of events that provide a quick dopamine release to the people involved in the discussion. Their idiotic apathy is as good as censorship. I tried at one point, once I finally grew out of that sewer of a site, to inform people on /g/ about Big Tech and the U.S. Gov technologically enslaving the world, and how using spyware OSes and browsers and other software contributes to that, nobody listened, or they would argue while having nothing of substance to retort with. And you're making posts on /lit/ while saying "nigger"? What kind of post containing the word nigger will further a meaningful, deep discussion about a literary subject? Almost none, unless you're discussing slavery or something. Quit using that site it has been ridden with bots and federal agents for years waging psychological warfare against retarded right wingers in order to victimize them so they galvanize to controlled opposition leaders like Donald Trump and Elon Musk, problem reaction solution learn Hegelian Dialectics cunt, sugma.

>>80260 What bots are spamming slurs? Of what use would a bot like that be? Most bots endorse certain political/legislative opinions or advertise things AFAIK. >>80263 >And you're making posts on /lit/ while saying "nigger"? What kind of post containing the word nigger will further a meaningful, deep discussion about a literary subject? Almost none, unless you're discussing slavery or something. This is just a dumb response. I don't post those words, I'm not racist, and I never implied that I did. I'm simply anti-censorship. I thought Lainchan would be more pro-censorship since you care about privacy, but apparently you guys are just like normal people who see no issue with it so long as it's not actively being used against you. If you ever get censored for trying to spread information about privacy, just know that it will be your fault for defending this same tactic when it came to stuff you considered unimportant.

>>80264 you missed the point entirely, if they begin censoring here and other places online that aren't soykafholes i will be upset. the difference is this place isnt an overt government honeypot used for psychological warfare. why do you give a fuarrrk about what 4chan does when the place has been a lost cause for years now? also what do you want people online to do about it? here's what you should do, stop using the fuarrrking site so they stop making money and have to quit censoring people, or shut down. you can't even visit 4chan without enabling javascript in your browser and completing captchas when using tor, that is censorship too, i dont see you bitching about it though.

>>80264 > Of what use would a bot like that be? A bot trying to fit in to be more effective.

>>80254 It's been dead for ages, but now it's DEAD dead. Censorship for mere speech renders the point of 4chan null. Press S to spit.

>>80266 >if they begin censoring here and other places online that aren't soykafholes i will be upset They could easily spam this place with illegal material and shut it down once it becomes "inconvenient". Look at what happens to all the altchans out there. You don't have any idea how fragile the state of free speech online is. Maybe the site was filled with bots before, but at least normal posts weren't getting censored. They basically went mask off. Yeah the site has been trash for years, but this is a new low. I suppose you already viewed the site as fallen which is fair enough, but it's sad either way.

>>80269 I think the best course of action is to find a pro palestinian faction, point out the glowniggers, then actually subvert their honeypot into an actual rebellion. Because Jews simply won't tolerate free speech now. It's not in their economical interest to promote free speech. Hell, the MSM are literally going "time to get rid of the constitution" a literal treasonous thing to say, but for the constitution. They are, simply put, a parasite.

>>80264 Exactly, it's to promote bots that are wired to not say these things and stop actual anons with critical thought and no programmed speech protective measures from posting. >>80267 Bullshit. Corporations have literal policies to prevent the usage of such bots. All this is doing is promoting those bots.

>>80256 >P.S. If your idea of free speech is the ability to spam niggerglitterboy 3x in the mirror then you clearly have brainworms. Ah hello, where do you think you are?

>>80256 Ahem.. Niggerglitterboy, niggerglitterboy, niggerglitterboy! Don't mind me, just checking if free speech is still on.

>>80259 >Of course no one is complaining because "it's just slurs". Well tomorrow it won't be slurs! Lain, they are already censoring ideas they don't like and have been doing it for decades. Its why Chris Hedges was fired, why McCarthyism was a thing, ever heard of the Hayes Code? Look at what they did to Assange and Snowden, and the dozens of journalists they've killed. Jungle variety rightoids and Zionists have a tantrum over free speech, but unsurprisingly they only care about it when somebody takes away their right to spam childish insults. Your right that free speech is fragile but it died a long time ago, before the internet was a thing. And who cares what the hell 4chan does? It doesn't concern lainchan. A big site censors people? I mean, what did you expect? If you truly believed that site was a free speech utopia you were duped already. >>80259 >>80268 >4chan is one of the only big sites that was ostensibly anti-censorship and free speech. Now all we have left is twitter. How many times do people have to keep saying this. 4chan was NEVER about free speech. Moot was a tyrant banning anyone who crossed him. It was never a anti-censorship social activism site. It was just a silly imageboard for FYAD rejects and waps. People need to stop idolizing 4chan. It's not some great downfall of the last bastion of free speech. Its just a soykafhole site run by a soykafhole team full of retarded monkeys that's probably just broken because they don't give a fuarrrk anymore and are just milking it for ad revenue. 4chan went to soykaf a decade ago. There's nothing of value there now. So what if they censor people for using nigger x3 in the mirror. Its not like that place can get any worse.

>>80271 > Exactly, it's to promote bots that are wired to not say these things and stop actual anons with critical thought and no programmed speech protective measures from posting. No one believes this but 4chaniggers there you go there is your token. > Bullshit. Corporations have literal policies to prevent the usage of such bots. All this is doing is promoting those bots. You don't know what you're talking about if you think there wouldn't be different models being used by private interest groups and government agents.

>>80274 It was a fuarrrktonne better until 2013 that's for sure. Now it's just a specifically narrow marketing regime that murders people outright for criticizing marketing products. Or what else did you think covid was? A real natural flu and not something made in a lab to terrifying the goys into gassing themselves? No, I've already had enough damage from that last injection. That's all the info I needed. I'm still sick btw. It's taken my 20s from me. So this system should expect vigilance now. Actual vigilance. You've tried to kill me and you've been killing many members of my family to pay off your financial protection racket. All the heavily indebted, redundant, unemployed, old ones or "problematic ones". Even though many had the liquidity to look after themselves, theoretically. Btw, this extermination racket has been doing this since 2013 and that's specifically when members of my family increasingly began to be ill. I think it's the medications, vaccinations and the altered approach of doctors in the field (per their duties "ethically" and their duties "financially") to push soykaf onto people that is causing this. But that doesn't explain the targeting. I suspect foul play. Things like hacking of medical facilities and sabotage.

>>80274 I don't see how you get the idea I'm upset because slurs are being censored. I'm upset because (1) they're implementing stealth censorship and (2) trying to prevent anyone from knowing about it. Obviously 4chan was never 'about' free speech, but it more or less operated that way for 20 years. You could talk about any subject if you ignored the trolls. Now that they're willing to censor & hide posts and lie to their users, the biggest free speech site on the internet is gone. Even if you view it as just a silly imageboard, people learned a lot there. Yeah, this is probably no worse than GG. But it's definitely just as bad as GG, and no one is talking about it. This level of censorship is disgusting. I really don't want to look at that site again. It almost makes me wanna vomit

>>80277 >(1) they're implementing stealth censorship and (2) trying to prevent anyone from knowing about it. No they know damn well anons will seethe over it. That's clearly the goal. And it's THAT that I hate. The gamification. The cartel controlling this planet want's their reset so they can purge masses of people without regard for them while stamping positive agenda for their side of the war in the process. They are a protection racket financially and that also means media wise. They're just pitchforking anons through these indirect means nowadays. Clearly gookmoot is desperate for dough and has to cater to demands. Hence the stealth filters instead of warnings. He's been told to agitate and piss anons off. He's pathetic. Because in my opinion that renders the forum redundant now. It's just low quality hobby board with no real criticism of soykaf now because real critics are most likely to say "nigger" nowadays. It's board culture too, so they're trying to isolate younger audiences from older audiences too in the process. >glownigger >newglitterboy >sameglitterboy Old 4chan culture is being isolated and purged slowly until the kids that most likely have the leisure time to browse the internet are most likely to be isolated from old users. I suspect ESG soykaf is the device firms are using to pressure people into clamping down on this soykaf. Probably a safety online initiative. I'll bet Hiro earned kickbacks for clamping down on "hate speech" and old users opinions. Merely warning is not enough. You have to gaslight them so hard they won't likely return and in a way that new users won't leave. So they chose this method. Hiro needs to die. Honestly. He's truly a piece of soykaf the likes we should have expected since 2ch's warnings to us. He just does the bidding of his masters. Also, this is likely due to the financial risk involved in promoting public protest. Capitalist society clearly no longer tolerates speech and likely censors it more than any regime before it, including nazi Germany and the USSR. Financial elites simply won't tolerate masses criticizing their leverage (their products) nor their system in general. It might get them killed.

>>80277 Lain, we knew both of those things already. Why act so surprised over it? The team that took over after Moot left are involved in a bunch of shadowy soykaf. Go read up on what Hiroyuki did at 2channel, it explains a lot about why current 4chan is so fuarrrked up. See: https://anonymous-japan.org/fake2ch/ Understand that this isn't new. You are acting shocked but you really shouldn't be. They've been lying and censoring their users for nearly a decade now. And I apologize, because there are a fuarrrk ton of retarded 4channer politically incorrect scum who have a deep paranoid persecution complex and see Jews and feds in the clouds and won't shut up about free speech because nobody wants to hear their retarded rambling for 245th time. The best solution (if you value your privacy and your sanity) is to not use 4chan.

>>80280 Honestly, I was well aware of Hiroyuki's shady business practices, but it was my understanding that he delegates control of the site entirely to RA and his mod team. So far it's been difficult to pin anything malicious on the 4chan staff, all they do is run soykafty ads and give the government whatever they request. This new thing is a MASSIVE step in the wrong direction. We had reasons before to suspect something shady going on with 4chan, but this is just confirmation of the direction they want to move in. Until now we had room for reasonable doubt. Now our fears are confirmed. You wanna know what's happening? This is a trial run. They knew everyone would respond to this like >>80256 and >>80263 did. "Oh who cares? Those were the worst posts on the site anyway! It's not a loss!". So they start gradually censoring more people. Hiding more posts. Today it's slurs... tomorrow it's controversial opinions. >The best solution (if you value your privacy and your sanity) is to not use 4chan. Yeah. At this point I want to walk away and never look back. Like I'd have zero self-respect or dignity if I didn't ditch the place for good. I guess you guys ITT hit this point years ago due to privacy concerns, but for me it was censorship. Either way I am really sad with how that site turned out. God bless lainchan and other tiny boards for not being evil. Let's hope they stay this way.

>4chan is now out-and-out pro censorship Where have you been the last ten years anon? Eating excrement with your head in the sand the entire time?

>>80281 >I guess you guys ITT hit this point years ago due to privacy concerns, but for me it was censorship. It was, in fact, censorship. Long before that datamining worm Hiroyuki landed in moot's seat, the site was a notoriously abusive, corrupt, censorious cesspit. Maybe you always had the correct House Opinion on whatever boards you frequented and never noticed what was happening until now, but mods with god complexes there have been banning people for disagreeing with them for ages.

>>80282 >>80283 Can you give examples? On the boards I used I honestly didn't notice any censorship.

>>80281 By "who cares?" is meant "who seriously uses 4chan thinking its a free and open place?" not "so what" to censorship. I wouldn't want censorship on sites I like. Its like complaining about censorship on Twitter. Like duh of course its censored, what did you expect? What am I supposed to do about it? Fix Twitter? It was never good to begin with. The only amount of censorship that should ever be allowed on a site is cultural gatekeeping to keep the nu4channers, jak spammers, and stormnigger polacks out and banning CP pedos and other bad actors.

>>80285 If a site doesn't afford you basic respect as a user, you can just not use it. These websites are so awful they should be happy they even have users at all, but instead they're acting cocky because they know they can totally crap down all their users' throats and the users will just accept it. Your post is proof of that. I'm just not gonna let a website walk all over me and what I stand for. As soon as they cross my lines, it's over

>>80286 Fair enough I see your point.

I don't like the idea shadowbans but serious utility do these slurs have in expressing ideas? I guess it can be funny, but it looks like they're clamping down on humor so they get more unironic extremists or something.

>>80282 Right wingers don't care until they're the ones who get censored. Ironic considering that they love to take down people who don't think like them or support their ideas.

Any chan without some form of moderation, either human or automatic, quickly goes the way of krautchan and 8chan. Maybe 4chan received a national security letter and complied. Maybe they just did it because they felt like it. Who knows? Who cares? They can run their site any way they want. Absolute freedom of speech advocates are always hypocritical mental 12-year-olds like Elon Musk. "You can say anything you want, anything... unless I don't like it..."

>>80297 I mean, you can tell someone to shut the fuarrrk up while also maintaining their right to free speech.. its not exactly mutually exclusive

>>80297 >Absolute freedom of speech advocates Otherwise known as "freedom of speech advocates". You either support freedom of speech or you don't. Mealy-mouthed excuses won't cut it. Carving out exceptions is not free speech. It's kind of scary to come outright and say you're for censorship though, isn't it? Perhaps because you know deep down the frailty of your position?

>>80299 Weak-willed people will often fool themselves into siding with their enemies if it means feeling like they're on the winning side of something. I believe that when these people make light of censorship, more often than just demonstrating bias what they're doing is expressing this unconscious urge to adopt "might makes right" and join teams with whichever party is in the position to censor. >Oh, they did something bad? I don't care, that doesn't effect me personally. It's not a big deal, anyway. And they can do that technically. Actually, you're the bitch here when you think about it. You deserve it, even. You're lucky they didn't just boil you alive, it would've been justified. I'm actually glad this happened. You've probably seen this happen live, in a single conversation before.

>>80299 >>80301 Right, if you don't support prominent display of things like toddler rape and torture films and it's sales you don't support free expression at all and would be pro censorship. Freedom of speech is an extension of freedom of expression. It's all or nothing.

4chan has been mass IP banning whole IP ranges as well. I couldn't post there since a long time since the whole IP range was derezzed.

>>80302 Who says? Why? Freedom of speech is an enlightenment liberal concept. Its premise is that the unrestricted flow of knowledge is necessary for the advancement of humanity. Democracy is useless if authorities can just hide anything that contradicts their claims. Scientific progress is greatly slowed by limiting information. The whole reason we have freedom of speech in the first place is for education and learning. Can you learn from torture flicks and snuff films? Maybe if you're a criminologist or psychologist, but for most people it will only hurt them psychologically, while the free spread of pure information can only benefit mankind.

>>80299 If you want everyone to have freedom them you have want everyone to have the freedom to murder. Otherwise you're not pro-freedom at all!

>>80307 Damn right. Survival of the fittest. Never sleep so you can always see them coming at you shoot them with your grenade launcher.

>>80302 >Oh yeah, well, if I put these words in your mouth you'd sound pretty dumb, wouldn't you? Really makes you think. I'm not sure what the point of that reply was, but I imagine you already know you're really stretching. I'm not even necessarily opposed to the idea of limiting the amount of times you can spam any one word in a post, but this has context.

well, I think that is legit you bitching to moderators when you derezzed for criticized the moderation. they could have simply dismissed your criticism instead of banning. btw it's shame when anybody seeking different forums that has "little different moderation" but only get places like 8chan. I would not have empathy with that people but this situation is undesirable.

>>80311 But your post was implicitly in support of this. What do you think "absolute freedom of speech" means?

>>80317 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/speech#Noun >speech (countable and uncountable, plural speeches) >(uncountable) The ability to speak; the faculty of uttering words or articulate sounds and vocalizations to communicate. Huh. Where's all the stuff about torture films?

>>80318 So you think censorship fine as long as the medium isn't spoken words? OP has no leg to stand on because 4chan is an internet forum and not an actual forum? Come now, that's a ridiculously narrow definition of "free speech". While the exact boundaries are fuzzy, clearly forms of expression such as written words, recorded sound, images, and video count as "speech" in this context.

>>80297 The ones without any moderation are the easiest to manipulate and an obvious target for feds, right wingers, JIDF, pedo spammers. Absolute freedom of speech is a bad idea. Chans are like clubs. You don't let anyone walk in through the door. If they don't like it they should go to some other chan that better suits them. But at the same time, too much moderation leads to tyranny and suppression of opinion. You have to find the Goldilocks zone in the middle. Aristotle had it right, the best option is the middle between two extremes. Absolute libertarian free speech is retarded and Nazi police states are stifling.

you guys are on a tech board organize yourselves and make a search & replace userscript: nigger -> jogger when you post jogger -> nigger when you read rotate words when "jogger" is derezzed if you cannot do this much, then you have no right calling out africa's lack of development migrate to uncensored tor boards, use bitchan, there are plenty of censorship resistant technologies, who remains on 4chan willingly when it's been overflowing with baseless shallow posts for years, many of which seem like planned propaganda and ads >>80266 >you can't even visit 4chan without enabling javascript in your browser this alone should be enough for anyone with a modicum of self respect to leave. really, you need to get cloudflare fingerprinted just to view some static text and images? for most people this implies your 4chan activity quite possibly logged under your real life identity

>>80299 "Absolute" freedom of speech as typically laid out isn't even a coherent concept. A message board on which everything is listed chronologically and nothing will ever be removed isn't really free of censorship, because what will be seen will be determined by who can spam the most effectively, which is just as much an exercise of power as moderator actions and can easily be a form of censorship. We are not omniscient; there is always a filter determining what reaches our attention and what does not. The only question is what should that filter be, and what ideals should it be designed to support? Free expression is the ideal that if you think or feel something, and people would be interested to know what you think, that exchange should have a way to go through. Filters designed to support that ideal, I would argue are not censorship; censorship is when an authority takes their own ideas of what people should think and imposes that on them by force.

lol how new are you? I cannot imagine any actual long-time 4chan user is surprised or upset by this. lol at the people acting like hiroshimoot started the ``censorship'' as if moot didnt proudly (and correctly) declare 4chan a mootacracy all the time. Either the screenshot in the op is a troll that will get people to spam those words, in which case I applaud the troll, or it's legitimate in which case I applaud the 4chan administration. 4chan was better when the roodypoo and candyassgot filters were in place and the "no racism outside of /b/" rule was occasionally enforced (t. got derezzed for calling someone a windows n-word on /g/ like 15 years ago) inb4 free speech advocates seething that I used "n-word"

>>80259 Leave. Time to let go. You probably learned a lot there, picked up a few useful things, but it cannot give you more good things, only bad. Its like going to a garbage dump and picking the few useful stuff you find, at some point only trash will remain. Site is full of intelligence agencies and organized groups running psyops 24/7, constant automated soykafpost to cause forum sliding and large language models pushing their programmed ideas or just filling the void. >Now all we have left is twitter. Try saying nigger on twitter... Nothing changed with Musk, everything remains the same. All Musk did was unban some accounts that quickly got derezzed again.

>>80347 Making fun of people who say n-word has nothing to do with free speech but conditioned self censorship you arent aware enough to break where it isnt needed. Isn't the fact that you cannot naturally use a word even in your thoughts scary? It is to me, and I'm constantly wondering what other subliminal mindfuckery Im falling for that could be more detrimental than not being able to slur.

>>80259 >Now all we have is twitter But have you tried to use it? I did, and the feed clearly pushes political content to you, no matter what you will follow or search for. Also, freedom is a relative concept. Freedom of people who flood every comment section with their onlyfans promotions violates my freedom of not seeing it. And it's perfectly fine, but I just won't use it.

>>80351 What you speak should never put you in jail, but there are people that just do not want to see inappropriate content. There are also people that don't mind it. They both have the freedom of their cravings to be respected. And there are places for both.

1/2 of this thread is people arguing over whether this is censorship or whether this is against free speech, but it really doesn't matter because it's still a clearly horrible moderation policy. It's really bad because it's part of a broad trend for moderation online to be more and more deceptive. Instead of just telling people they can't say nigger and banning them if they do, they pretend to let you say nigger but not actually have your posts go through. To make it worse they're banning people who point it out. Deceptive moderation like this is a really bad path to go down because it stops people from knowing what the rules actually are or how they're being enforced. If you can't tell why people not knowing how or when the rules are being enforced is a serious issue, you might just be retarded.

>>80354 actually I take some this back. it's kind of a bad moderation practice but really not that bad. I just tried saying nigger nigger nigger on 4chan and it's very easy to tell that you're post doesn't go through. I don't know if they're really trying to trick people. The reason people are getting derezzed for pointing it out is probably just because of rule 8, though I don't know why OP got derezzed for rule 3 when pointing it out. /b/ doesn't have rule 8 and probably a few other boards don't have it too, so if you want you can still complain that you can't say "nigger nigger nigger" on 4chan.

What service (proxy provider) or dVPN do people use to post on 4c*ck? I know using macdons with mac address spoofing on is good but thats obvious.

>>80359 Why do you want to? Serious question. It's barely worth posting on lainchan any more, why would you post on 4chins?

>>80362 Agreed both 4chan and lainchan are full of nazi's thesedayz

>>80364 There are still some good boards on 4chan that don't have any of that Nazi talk. Boards like - Retro Gaming (If you ignore some of the annoying console war users and brand wars) - Cute boards (People mostly post images and get along) - Wallpaper generals (Wallpapers, Barely any discussion) - Travel (Little to no politics) Every other board has their own issues besides Nazi soykafheads and their culture war bullshit. Issues like unfunny meme spammers, soyjak raids, twitter screenshots, people posting their faces to garner sympathy.

>>80364 The race baiters are at most Nazi-adjacent

>>80355 >and it's very easy to tell that you're post doesn't go through You have to draw the line somewhere. Personally, when you are literally lying to your users' face about how posting works, that's completely unacceptable. The relation established between user and staff goes out the window. And now they know they can have automatic censorship and people will say it's not that bad, they're going to crank up censorship even more, because the 4chan team totally adores censorship. I suggest everyone ITT to give that site up if you haven't already, and only patronize sites that respect you as a user. And just wait until the next scandal comes out and Hiroyuki is caught selling data again or whatever.

>>80254 Even Lainchan has slowly started defacto banning VPN- and Torposting on mobile and desktop over the course of the past few years. A couple years ago I started getting more messages like "spam detected, post discarded" whenever I've tried to post, and now it's impossible to phonepost, it's quite worrisome to see this happen to a site I like engaging with. We'll see if even this post goes through, I guess. I don't know if this is because there's been an influx of 4chan users since gookmoot's mod team started banning VPNs or if it's completely unrelated. Either way, don't like it.

>>80364 Lainchan has seen better days but its not 4chan level bad yet. The obnoxious Nazi-adjacent reactionary culture warrior archetype has infested most of the internet anyway. They are just more obnoxious and loudmouthed on chans because they get to say nigger here. There are some sites that ban them immediately, but any site that has that rule has already failed. >>80373 >I suggest everyone ITT to give that site up if you haven't already, and only patronize sites that respect you as a user. 4chan is the only site that has active boards for niche topics like retro gaming, DIY, outdoors, niche sports etc. there aren't good alternatives for people who like those boards.

>>80366 >Wallpaper generals (Wallpapers, Barely any discussion) Ah, yes. These were so /comfy/ at least in 2017-ish. I can't recall anything concrete about it, but I do still remember how all the anons life stories and world-buildings accompanied by the wallpapers made me feel (I think I might even still have some of those stored away on my other hard drive somewhere). I also liked /lit/, but I suppose I only liked the idea of liking it, because, honestly, I can't recall anything productive coming out of it. Same was for /r9k/. Really liked the secret santa threads and the creative stuff, but it slowly started turning into something vile once everyone became so needy, blackpilled and angsty over everything (and the eternal flammewars and political baits being waged on it probably didn't help either). Also the overboard, or /meta/, I guess it was, used to be a fun place, but it got soykafty very fast not too long after I stumbled upon it for some reason (in the span of a year or so, I think, the speed of which really amazed me). After throwing 4chan into the garbage bin, I really haven't been around any of them. Sure, I go watch p*rn and whenever a school-shooting or presidential candidate assassination attempt occurs, I go and try looking which of the fuarrrkers on /p*l/ did it. Other than that, overall I think it's just a bad place to visit these days.

I'm not a spammer. Let Me post in this thread.

>>80383 R-nine-kay was never really a good board (even during its "tfw-no-gf" phase). I haven't been there in years but the last time I went there, it became infested with these smartphone kids posting their faces trying to get attention and they even have their own aliases. Every other thread there are anons talking about these attention whores like as if we're supposed to know who they are. It's just a discord circle-jerk board at this point and all the normal users on the internet know about that board too. (Spam filter preventing me from posting. Will follow up with another post.)

>>80384 Regarding wallpaper general, I don't really find anyone talking there outside of those "tell-me-how-you-feel" threads which aren't really that bad. Though I find it that you cannot post threads about certain kinds of cultures like anarchism or communism because they attract these unhinged rightoids who sound so angry and end up derailing those threads. It's like the whole website is tailored to them and think that everyone else doesn't belong there. I guess that is true nowadays. Who would want to be in a site that is now recognized as a hotbed for right wing extremists. Honestly, I want to quit 4ch but there isn't any good alternative that isn't dead. I don't like forums for a few reasons. One of them being that people sound so whiny, insincere, and pretend to be so friendly all the time. Another reason is that I don't like the cultures of people who use the internet today, like fur users or people who openly tell everyone that they're LGBT (not trying to be hateful), as they they insist on being part of every community and beg for validation.

I assume there will be an uptick in traffic here because of this. Case in point: I have been a chan user since circa 2005. 2ch/5ch, 2channel, tinychan, 4chan, here... but, I admit, my goto was 4chan because of the traffic. The site has been largely overrun since 2015, especially with regard to political discussions, even with myriad client filters set up. Anyway, I had 2 of my max 2000-character effortposts deleted recently (occasionally I am bored and wish to effortpost, sue me). Apparently, it is because even though I was acting in good faith and providing solid, well-reasoned/articulated advice, I use some nono words in my normal diction. to be honest that's the final straw for me, whatever. They won't miss me, I will miss them a bit, though. 4chan was 99% garbage, but the 1% of gems on that site were things extremely difficult to find anywhere else. This place has been solid, there is just so much less traffic. Anyway, 4chan added that new post deletion and ban policy (I received another rangeblock) without stating it. No "reformat your post" or "can't use these words anymore"... word-filters were already annoying server-side, but completely eating posts with no warning followed by IP blocks and/or rangebans is the most hostile thing I've ever witnessed 4chan do in nearly two decades. In the early days, ofc moot and other admins did a bunch of trolling and whatnot, but I don't know what the hell the new admins are trying to do except drive the site into the ground. Just offering a perspective. Best.

>>80259 >question is why do you gladly accept shadowbanning and info suppression? Exactly. If we put up with this, cruise missiles will be down line.

>>80388 As an addendum, any organic threads that aren't the same tired racebait or porn-spam threads on boards like pol, g, etc. end up getting moved immediately to bant or outright deleted. There was an amazing sociopolitical theory debate thread a few weeks back, and it got moved to bant because it was full of actual humans having a civil discussion. 4chan is fuarrrking dead.

>>80259 Great post. Though there has always been some sort of moderation, large and sudden changes like what happened on 4chan with no warning to users is ridiculous. As you say, today it's people using particular words in their posts as well as certain topics, tomorrow it will be a different set of particular words and other topics... it never ends. People don't want to participate on a site where the rules are constantly shifting underneath their feet.

>>80385 >R-nine-kay was never really a good board (even during its "tfw-no-gf" phase). Sure! Never claimed otherwise. But during the time I was lurking there the quality of it all got noticeably worse. Can't really say whether it was the same old tired "tfw-no-gf" stuff, all the degenerate sissy-nazi-insider trading stuff or the creative threads becoming less frequent which made me finally quit. Either way, real glad I won't be staying there forever anymore Present Day, Present Time! AHAHAHAHAHA!

>>80383 I wish I hadn't stayed on 4chan as long as I did, because I got to witness every unique board culture that once existed get annihilated. By 2014 it was clear old /v/, old /a/, and old /jp/ were disappearing, but you could still see traces of the dying culture. Now those are gone. /mu/, /tv/, /trv/, and other boards had unique cultures in the early 2010's that have since vanished. I miss /jp/ the most though. Being apart of 4chan in its glory days is a terrible feeling because no other community out there can live up to it. It's not nostalgia, it was really just that good.

>>80321 But do people use these? Last I check a year ago, i2p boards and bitchan boards were ghost towns. Same with hypernet and tor-based IRC nodes. Am I just too dumb to find the right places? I don't know anyone IRL who is remotely into technology, so I don't know where to ask.

>>80351 Faceberg did research on this. By even subconsciously forcing people to self-censor, you affect their actual thought patterns. This is precisely why one should not engage with (or greatly limit such engagements with) platforms that engage in such practices. >>80354 I cannot understand why some others here cannot spot this. The hidden changing policies are so much worse than explicit rules.

>>80395 I miss old jp and a. Then right around that 2014 mark, there couldn't even be a single thread about actual Japanese culture, history, art, things to do. Nope, entire catalog had to be weeb spam. I lived in Japan for a few years in the 00s, and learned a lot about language learning as well as jumping off points for things to do in Japan and ways of living from there that were far better in quality than anything on japan-forum or jref. I know, unpopular opinion but 4chins was a wealth of information underneath all the soykaf. I miss it. And now that forums are largely dead, there's hardly anywhere left to have actual discussions or learning. All that exist are groupthink generic slop hugboxes. And Lain.

holy soykaf 4shalommers are desperate and know no where to head to, it has been like that for years now, at least three, but complaining about this soykaf on lamechan is just silly fuarrrking desperate

>>80388 Wait, you got a rangeban for having your post eaten? I hope that's a coincidence... that goes beyond my worst possible expectations for that site's moderation On a sidenote, maybe this is just a clumsy attempt from the mods to try and improve site quality, since in their eyes any post with 4 or more slurs is garbage. The OP image hasn't been hash filtered, so they're probably not hiding it. I'd put the odds at 80% that this is just them saying "Any post with these words in it will be crap, so let's get rid of it". Still, this is basically a shadowban. It doesn't matter if they have good intentions. Shadowbans are a horrible form of censorship and you shouldn't patronize any site that uses them.

also it is funny how 4shalommers somehow manage to stand out even in this soykafeating contest of apples territory

>>80402 Yea, the /24 from which I posted had posts be eaten (no errors, nothing). After I tried to make further posts, I was then hit with a 10 day with the reason of "derezzed words" and those words were not defined, listed, nothing. As I said, I was not spamming or anything, I was just using terms that I use in my diction, and they were in long, cogent effortposts. I'm not even going to bother appealing that. I can just post from any of many other ranges, but I'm just done. This is the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I agree about shadowbans. If the policy were explicit, or some meme word-substitution, whatever. But shadowbans are the most pernicious form of censorship there is, at least to me. I'm fuarrrking done.

>>80402 One more thing, regarding >"Any post with these words in it will be crap, so let's get rid of it"< even if one were to make an argument along that line, it doesn't hold water in the slightest considering what *is* allowed. catalog is filled with all kinds of p*rn, typical racebait and other perennial threads full of bots and spam. The shadowbans have nothing whatsoever to do with cleaning up the site. They are just trying to drive away the few remaining organic posters there. Well, I think they might have finally succeeded.

>>80406 no just actual critical thinkers

>>80407 >critical thinkers Are there even many left in the world to begin with? Seems everyone just mindlessly follows their in group.

>>80417 Critical thinking doesn't exist. Critical thinking requires competence, which is deliberately undermined by every educational establishment out there. The closest you can get to critical thinking without actual competence is rejecting all they say.

>>80254 >herro, I am new user and I like to spe‮gr Tell me you're new without saying you're new. It's been a fedchan for YEARS. It's full of NPCs bathing in the glory of what we did in years gone by. Unironically, red‮tid in 2014 was more controversial than 4chan is in 2024. Late Moot era was fairly comfy. Even late 8chan was fedchan with feds changing what each user saw in realtime, and that's on top of us writing scripts to out glowposting. Shouldn't (you) be offline hand loading for "Jan 6 Return to Rooftop Korean era 2025" like everyone else?

>>80419 Critical thinking can be learned. You just have to teach it to yourself. I guess it helps if you've never taken school very seriously.

>>80426 You can't teach yourself competence. It's nearly impossible.

>>80427 Not him, but isn't competence just a function of learning stuff? So, by definition, the more you understand stuff (either by trial and error in real life situations or just by understanding stuff that you learn about), the more you become competent on something. But I'll admit that teaching yourself to read, for instance, as opposed to being taught by someone else, is a wholly different experience.

Imageboards are full of subhumans. The whole internet is full of subhumans. The world's worst soykafs. The internet reduces people to sadists.

>>80428 >So, by definition, the more you understand stuff (either by trial and error in real life situations or just by understanding stuff that you learn about), the more you become competent on something You physically don't have enough time.

>>80429 Ive seen more the contrary on effects of the internet. What you see today is the effect of corporatization and politicization of the internet.

You think this is bad? >be me >post normally as usual >come back next day >see this These are some turbojannies, man

>>80442 you are the person these restrictions are attempting to block. Your "posting normally" to anyone else looks like (and objectively is) mindless spam. I really hope you didn't post this looking for sympathy.

>>80442 >Average rightoid retard who complains about muh censorship

>>80259 >Now all we have left is twitter. Without valuable discourse like pic related, how can we go on? But seriously, there's nothing good about Twitter. That place's a conspiratorial hellhole where grifters compete at who can think of the most outrageous lie. I really don't know what value does it provide, especially considering that its owner is not impartial. If content isn't directly censored, then it is censored via the algorithm, which props up accounts with certain viewpoints and silences others. 4chan is ruined by the extremely politicized pol-types who cannot contain their rot on said board. This move targets these types, and as such I have nothing against it. There's a big irony between your poem and who's the target of this move. Ask the average person who feels the need to use these words more than three times per post what they think about the Holocaust. Chances are they don't believe in it.

>>80259 >This pic Today, it's the islamists who come to kill people.

>>80455 Twitter wasn't any good even before Muskrat took over the platform. Regardless of people's dogshit political leanings, it's a place where people have a voice to be hateful.

>>80459 Its the format. Microblogging encourages unfiltered and half baked thought, where difference of opinion just becomes namecalling and strawmans since neither side fully grasps thier own or the others position.

>>80455 That's a lot of words just to say "I love censorship. Please censor everything I don't like daddy"

>>80466 It's the "butthole puckered" circumcised mindset.

>>80466 >"I love censorship. Please censor everything I don't like daddy" You just described modern-day "free speech" warriors.

>>80468 ...How? All the pro-censorship people ITT seem to be fighting against a schizophrenic strawman in their heads, saying "right wingers mean this but they're lying". As if it's impossible to just hold some value for its own sake and not for some ulterior deceitful motive. It sounds like projection to me. Like you feel that way about free speech yourself, so you imagine I must view it the same way.

>>80470 Right wingers don't believe in the concept of free speech. They brag about it for sympathy and they love to censor anyone who goes against their beliefs and viewpoints.

>>80254 good, let's hope the 4roaches crawl to twitter instead of here in response

>>80471 I'm reporting you goddamn commie

>>80470 that rightoids are against free speech is evident by observing their actions and observing history. books are being derezzed in all the libraries in america right now. there are christian theocrats everywhere that want to make it the only religion. there are nazis everywhere that want to shoot undesirables (you can't speak if you're dead). musk has been all "freeze peach" and then derezzed a whole litany of soykaf like the jd vance leaks or saying the word "cis" ("nigger" still allowed though)

>>80351 I can say nigger in my internal monologue though? I can use any slur I want in my mind, or whisper it to myself, no problem. I just don't say it to other people out of respect. And most of the internal monologue is just thinking what you would say to another person, so if you wouldnt say something to another person then you probably won't say it to yourself, and anyway vocalized thought is strictly worse for most things. Vocalized thoughts are more rigid, more socially minded, tending to be concerned with things like syntactical and semantic correctness. Good for some things but certainly not for emotions (unless you want to express those emotions to others). >>80458 Or school shooters. >>80373 Damn straight. Shadowbans and unwritten rules are cowardly. Either be an outright dictator or hands-off, but none of this behind the scenes bullshit.

>>80481 >there are christian theocrats everywhere that want to make it the only religion. Amazing there are still people in 2024 who believe christians are the ones oppressing them, lol.

>>80484 Amazing there are still people in 2024 who believe Jesus is real and cares about what you do with your personal life lol

>>80483 If you treat it internally as anything other than just a word, then yes you are self censoring. The rest seems like monologuelet cope.

>>80481 >books are being derezzed in all the libraries in america right now. That's a misleading statement. Some states have derezzed books with sexually explicit content from school libraries because parents are uncomfortable with their children being exposed to sexuality at a young age. Nobody is stopping you from reading those books to your own children in your own house if you think they are so great. >there are christian theocrats everywhere that want to make it the only religion. There actually is a religion with over a billion followers and their holy book commands them to dominate the world through violence and murder infidels, it's not called christianity though. >there are nazis everywhere that want to shoot undesirables Name one thing that "nazis" have done since charlottesville (seven years ago). A person can't even hold a nazi flag in public without getting fired from their job and kicked out by their landlord and getting their entire life ruined. They want you to be obsessed with "nazis" because it's a non-existent threat. If you had a brain you'd ask yourself, which genocidal ultra-authoritarian socialist ideology should we be worried about, the one that lost WW2 or the one that won WW2. >musk has been all "freeze peach" and then derezzed a whole litany of soykaf like the jd vance leaks or saying the word "cis" Musk has definitely compromised on certain issues such as israel. You don't get to be that rich without figuring out who you can and can't piss off. >>80254 Large english speaking platforms are in lockdown because of the US election. They will probably go back to normal in December.

>>80254 This sounds fun. N|gg3r-f@gg0t-traǹńɏ challenge accepted.

>>80489 Christians are the only people who will try to help you when the government is trying to kill you because Jesus told them to love their neighbors. They are part of the body of Christ. This makes wicked people very angry, especially the various factions of secular "progressives" because it points out that their twisted, Godless version of utopia is false.

>>80499 >In other words, I'm in a cult

>>80491 >If you treat it internally as anything other than just a word, then yes you are self censoring. ok? It is just a word but it's not like I have much reason to think it all the time, for reasons outlined in my post. >The rest seems like monologuelet cope. If your internal monologue exists for any purpose besides coming up with something you'd say to another person, you're the monologuelet. >>80495 >Name one thing that "nazis" have done since charlottesville (seven years ago) seven years isn't very long. Here's a more recent one anyway, which I found by typing "nazi mass shooting" in my search bar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_El_Paso_shooting The fact that people *regularly* just murder a bunch of random people for ideologically motivated reasons, to the point where it's just an accepted part of public life, is a bit concerning, no? I couldn't give much of a soykaf whether they're muslim or christian, it's all fascism in my book. >>80499 they're also the people that will

>>80499 Majority who support the death penalty in the US say they are Christians and majority for police militarization are also Christians and most for cutting off healthcare are Christians. The bible has so many contradictions no one actually gets anything out of it but what they want to believe.

>>80508 >ah yes the nazis >famous for hating.. Hispanics

>>80510 You do realize that when people say "nazi" they don't mean a card-carrying member of the NSDAP, right? You do realize that a word can be shorthand for a general group of ideologies, often HEAVILY informed by the actual NSDAP ideology, which are today associated with the radical right-wing/third position.

>>80511 It must be really nice being able to group countless different motivations, beliefs, and actions you disagree with into a single convenient label.

>>80484 >Amazing there are still people in 2024 who believe christians are the ones oppressing them, lol. i'm not even going to bother to post something related to roe because you definitely believe that abortion isn't a legitimate right

>>80495 >There actually is a religion with over a billion followers and their holy book commands them to dominate the world through violence and murder infidels there are three of them actually, and one of them is christianity >Name one thing that "nazis" have done since charlottesville literally every school shooting since then with the exception of that one that was done by a pooner >A person can't even hold a nazi flag in public without getting fired from their job and kicked out by their landlord and getting their entire life ruined. Elon Musk is retweeting white genocide tweets on a daily basis, and there have been two BLACK governors who have come out as open nazis, and a BLACK supreme court justice was caught taking money from a guy who collects nazi memorabilia >which genocidal ultra-authoritarian """socialist""" ideology should we be worried about the one which is against my class interest because it is astroturfed by billionaires, and not the one that lost the cold war and has existed only among internet larpers since then >>80510 you're delusional if maintaining racial purity and a white ethnostate isn't core to nazi belief

>>80516 >nazis invented racism

>>80517 complete non sequitur, you're a bot

>>80518 You just implied that someone who wants to maintain an ethnostate must also be a nazi. As if this idea is somehow unique to nazis, as if they invented it.

>>80519 >All A are B therefore all B are A

>>80520 Oh, I see Sorry for wasting both of our time