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Is Lunduke right for hating on Gnome? Are they really as corrupt and consumed by politics as he makes them out to be? I've read a few of his articles and don't think that they're especially corrupt compared to other companies in the same tech space. https://lunduke.locals.com/post/5691475/the-gnome-5-year-plan-diversity-equity-inclusion-nonexistent-powerpoint-slides https://lunduke.locals.com/post/5613959/gnome-publishes-annual-report-still-losing-money https://lunduke.locals.com/post/5572069/is-the-gnome-foundation-going-to-go-bankrupt-in-1-year https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4743147/gnome-foundation-hires-professional-shaman-as-new-executive-director-lundukes-big-tech-show-o(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST, You should always elaborate on your opinions rather than just spilling the soykaf.)

>>77650 Anyone has known for at least 10 years that the Gnome Foundation is filled with diversity glitterboys and other useless people. In 2014, they blew a ton of money on an "outreach program for women", without tracking where the money went: https://wiki.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/CurrentBudgetFAQ (current = 2014) I have know clue who Lunduke is, but guessing from his usage of the term "Powerpoint" together with Linux he seems to be an idiot.

>>77652 > I have know clue who Lunduke is, but guessing from his usage of the term "Powerpoint" together with Linux he seems to be an idiot. L take. Gnome is the kind of company that would use powerpoint.

>>77652 Unless you're a contributor yourself there really isn't any reason to care about the behaviors/politics of people behind gnome.

>>78357 Not that Lain but yes the political views of someone behind development doesnt matter but use of funds is a reasonable criticism if it is going somewhere other than where it would be expected to go.

>>78357 GNOME has influence. GNOME being bad makes desktop linux worse. Thankfully not everything gtk is libadwaita yet, and gtk3 will be around for a while

I wouldn't be surprised but I already hate gnome on a purely technical merit.

>>78362 Like how it has some dependencies on systemD even though there are workarounds to aboid that due to how such a setup promotes systemD and takes away user choice?

>is <literally who> right for hating on gn*me hmm i dunno, is this festering pile of bloated soykaf that does not work well on any set of hardware conceivable with terrible ideas like ctrl+q and grouping all programs into one like nu-windows bad? how could that ever be? gnome 2.0 was soykaf even, the only good thing it had going for it was more keyboard usability than wind*ws >WAAHHH DIVERSUTY YOU ARE THE CANCER ITSELF. YOU FAGGETS ONLY STARTED COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS IN 2010. SJW STARTED IN 1970. BEFORE 2010 IF YOU WERE INTO TECH YOU WERE SOME ASPIE WHO GETS MAD AND BANS ANTONE WHO SAYS GHEY FROM THEIR SERVER

>>78357 >Unless you're a contributor yourself there really isn't any reason to care about the behaviors/politics of people behind gnome. Dumb take. If the people running the project are not technically proficient and are only there to further some political cause then the quality of the software will suffer. You wouldn't be so indifferent about it if gnome was run by trump-tards who only hire maga people and use the official blog to post about qanon and gave all the money to a church to get more white chrisitan men into programming.

>>78357 I'm cautiously optimistic about Cosmic and the Iced toolkit. GTK is a blight on software as a whole.

Why hasn't there just been a desktop environment made to be both easy to use, has low ram use options among other more complicated things and highly customizable to point it can be made to look and function like all the others so all the focus can just go into making that good and have everything support it?

>talks about "open source", doesn't even use it >substack (now "locals" i guess) >soykafty site styling, banner art (half-baked pixel art fetishizing muh retro tech he didn't use until it was worth something on ebay) >spends all his time complaining about corporate policy he doesn't have to follow, e.g. https://lunduke.locals.com/post/5815715/dont-wave-the-lgbt-flag-suse-opensuse-says-you-are-rotten-flesh >where he spends his valuable time mixing up soundbites to try to tell a narrative of christian persecution by tech companies >another of a long series of articles with tirades against queer people, using already overplayed American conservative talking points Why do people care about this guy? He's wannabe techno Tucker Carlson complete with Reddit-tier humor.

>>78448 Banning people for not being sufficiently enthusiastic about their hideous rainbow logo is pretty disgusting. If they had their way, they'd put people in concentrations camps for wrong think.

Why does everything have to be a culture wars issue now? I swear to fuarrrking god one day you won't be able to say "motherboard" without it causing a fight and even if your just in some quiet corner of the wired and posting in an innocuous thread on motherboards some fuarrrking guy will show up to bitch and moan and turn it into a fuarrrking political debate. >>78448 Because the people are retarded. Guys like Lunduke are paid agents. You see politicians are savvy now. They realize you have many niche demographics online. So you pay a guy to infiltrate those places and start complaining about things (some legit some not so legit) and then they bring up politics and push narratives that just so happen to align with those politicians, activists, and pundits. Pay a guy to head into some Warhammer community or whatever. Pump money into his YouTube channel. He starts making video essays and reviews, gains some following. Now he starts making videos on how "woke ideology" or "right wing extremism" are ruining the Warhammer community, finds every little thing to nitpick maybe poke at a legit grievance or two. Boom. Now you have a mouthpiece in the Warhammer scene selling the ideology and throwing out subliminal messaging.

>>78450 >hideous rainbow logo You shouldnt really care either way, it is such an insignificant thing. >>78452 I think it just is the nature result of algorithms on social media warping how people think. This didnt even happen ten years ago.

>>78453 >you shouldn't really care either way they shouldn't really care, either way. >>78448 I just looked at his face and figured it was stupid and promptly forgot about it till this thread came up again. Gnome is not great either I used it when I first switched to linux and man was I happy to quit. >half baked pixel art muh retro tech he doesn't look that young I think he lived through some of le retro tech that he's fetishizing. >>78437 why make something that configurable when you can just use a different desktop lol. There's something to specialization especially when the cost of switching is so low. Also I'm pretty sure that with enough modding you can make even light DEs super resource intensive. You're just lacking creativity.

>>78456 >they shouldn't really care, either way. Yes but making a big deal out of it just makes a hypocrite of someone all the same. Playing blame games doesnt really get anywhere. >He doesn't look that young I think he lived through some of le retro tech that he's fetishizing. Yeah and it's just an aesthetic anyway which is a personal preference. That Lain shouldn't care. >Why make something that configurable when you can just use a different desktop lol. It wouldn't be an issue if it weren't for compatibility issues and inconsistencies that can occur. That is just one solution to that.

>>78453 >>78458 How hard is it to not ban people for saying "I don't like this flag"? According to that article, any level of disapproval, big or small, resulted in a ban. >The Lunduke Journal received numerous emails from long-time openSUSE members who were derezzed -- in many cases without warning -- after making a statement that was not sufficiently, enthusiastically positive regarding the "Pride Flag". They're commisars. It's disgusting.

>>78460 Not saying that wasn't going too far into stupidity.

>>78452 >Guys like Lunduke are paid agents... And I suppose next you'll be saying they also paid Red Hat to violate the CRA so Lunduke could report on the story? Take your SDAs, scizo.

>>78433 To be honest I would still be indifferent, that hypothetical just sounds funny more than anything. >If the people running the project are not technically proficient and are only there to further some political cause then the quality of the software will suffer. given how nothing has changed I'd wager that the people in charge are technically proficient. Nothing ever happens, lainon.

>>78605 You do realize most infliuencers and pundits are on somebody's payroll right? Its not schizo to suspect a guy pushing narratives is getting funding from someone. Follow the money trail anons.

>>78627 ehh, there's a lot of people who enjoy complaining. Of course, if you love what you do for money, you never need work again, ahaha.

>>78627 Oh, you have a money trail, now? Mind sharing with the class? Or is this just an excuse to refuse to accept information you find inconvenient?

>>78638 If someone is getting paid a lot of money to say or do something, then they are likely doing so with the blessing of both the tech company permitting them to use the platform, and the people who continue to allow that person to exist with any sort of online presence and reputation. bad people get canceled, people who speak out against their sponsors become poor, other people have their reputations ruined.

>>78670 So you want more cancel culture huh

>>78627 >You do realize most infliuencers and pundits are on somebody's payroll right? Its not schizo to suspect a guy pushing narratives is getting funding from someone. Follow the money trail anons. I think the sentiment is roughly correct but too simplified. Another motive people can have for endorsing someone else's narrative is there own personal power/influence or grift. By buying into someone elses claims, you gain credibility with their audience, and by extending them you can gain influence. This is easiest seen in moral panics or conspiracy theories. Take UFO/Alien stuff. Why do some of these guys endorse each others claims? Because their is money involved? Because someone is behind this movement? Or because I can grift your audience too and bring attention to the ecosystem if I "Yes AND ...". I wonder how much of this is simply exploring larger doubts and fears in new ways. Maybe influencers innovate by applying existing fears and narratives to new spaces.

>>78674 It's even simpler though. People put money into things they personally or their company use. No one is getting good PR brownie points unless something at face value is an outreach charity group because any average person will see what it is but no one is going to know or care what some nerd says but nerdier nerds. Sometimes funds are pulled back in fear of something being made more known to the general public and misrepresented what some group or project is about. It is just basic human and business stuff.

>>78670 >My evidence is that I wish it were true gg ez lol

>>77650 Since he paywalls 99% of the stuff he makes i stopped following him, i suppose i'm not the only one there, so i think it's best to care about let's say, more relevant figures that make their stuff public instead of wanting to leech money out of convos revolving around FOSS stuff

>>79036 Lunduke hails from the 8th day hexagram tribe.

>>78452 >one day you won't be able to say "motherboard" without it causing a fight That day has already come and because you didn't use the word "mainboard" or "parent board" I stopped reading right there. You are obviously a stochastic terrorist and whatever the rest of your opinion was is not worth any consideration.

>>79041 It's because they're NPCs who don't want you to realize Mother Earth is a motherboard.

>>77650 I was thinking the same thing as Lunduke and the reason they are driven by politics is because they belong to IBM/Red Hat

>>78359 gtk3 can be around forever if people rebel against gnome and don't make them the standard.

>>77650 Lunduke is an idiot who keeps making stuff up and crying about things that do not happen. Watch any of his old stuff, like in 2021's Windows Sucks he seethes about Fuchsia soon replacing linux for about 40 minutes and now in 2024 Fuchsia is near dead. The guy has zero credibility in making predictions.

>>79067 Lunduke is both a journalist and "a proud Jewish conservative". It goes without saying his predictions will be deranged.

Some People are saying Bryan Lunduke is a qanon believer, is this true or not?

>>79213 no; he is qanon. always has been, always will be wwg1wga

>>79218 is there website video or blog evidence?

>>79079 >a proud Jewish conservative Wait, for real?

>>77650 >Is Lunduke right for hating on Gnome? Yes, but he's a bit of an annoying cunt. See his recent coverage of the Internet Archive situation. Dude needs to chill the fuarrrk out.

>>78460 That flag is their literal religious symbol. That's why they're so obsessed with it and spam it everywhere. It is actual religious iconography whether they realize it or not and that’s why it’s followed with the same obsessive zeal you see in religions. Same reason places like nexus remove mods that choose remove their homo-religious symbolism from games for hate speech. The noahide flag must be worshipped, to not do so is going against their church and as such is heresy

>>78638 Doesn't Lunduke do this full time? Given how he has set himself up as as "the right-wing free software guy", he either needs to be as inflammatory as possible to keep & grow his audience, or someone's paying him for it, or both. I'm more inclined to believe the latter over the former. Don't need a paper trail when we can deduce using logic what's going on. >>78674 basically right on the money. >>81341 > The noahide flag lmao I didn't know that. Very good! I don't have a problem with religious iconography either, and I would negatively judge someone who got pissy about a crucifix.

>>78448 >https://lunduke.locals.com/post/5815715/dont-wave-the-lgbt-flag-suse-opensuse-says-you-are-rotten-flesh Very informative article.

>>81341 >That flag is their literal religious symbol. Correct. God is dead but the machinery inside human brains that causes people to get violently self righteous about nonsensical delusions is alive and kicking. >Same reason places like nexus remove mods that choose remove their homo-religious symbolism from games for hate speech Things are different when companies are involved because there is something called Environmental Social Governance which affects their stock price. >>81343 >I would negatively judge someone who got pissy about a crucifix. Nah man if every fuarrrking movie and TV show and video game was filled with crucifixes and christian characters who do nothing but lecture you on how to be a good christian and every villain was a black gay atheist you would be getting tired of this soykaf too.

>>81369 I would actually prefer if more movies would have religious themes or more religious characters. It's a huge part of the human condition that has been mostly swept under the rug in the movie business (probably because most of the writers are atheist). I also find preachy social justice messaging to be at least as annoying as preachy christian messaging. However, including a gay character doesn't automatically make a movie preachy and turning your logo rainbow colored for a month doesn't automatically make you an "ally". Quite a lot of gay people see right through the pandering, but they also see through the "concern" that some people have about it, since all too often behind closed doors that "concern" turns out to be outright hatred. Being accepting of homosexuality or whatever is only a political stance if you let it be. I doubt you would have a problem if the logo was changed for mothers' day, or christmas, or whatever.

>>81341 >Gnome after trying to use gnome for a few weeks i'm fully convinced gtk4 was designed to hobble the linux desktop. it's controlled by uppity middle manager types and are only now freaking out at the prospect of losing relevance because of valve and cosmic. >Lunduke wasn't this the guy who tried to oust Stallman?

>>78359 GNOME is now pushing Alpine Linux, one of the last good distributions, to follow the Fedora usr-merge non-standard filesystem layout, and the reason couldn't be better: to support systemd. https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/tsc/-/issues/73

>>81402 goodness gracious why are people like this? and more importantly why are these people tolerated? I found the ticket and this episode was followed by serious discussion by the devs on how to support gnome and their soykaf api. If it was my project I would've told him to fuarrrk off.

>>81402 The gnome retards are the same reason why wayland is still unusable, they keep blocking useful protocol proposals or filibuster them to death. See their stubborness in refusing to support server side decorations, instead asking everyone to use their soykaf libadwaita library, so you get their titleblars that occupy half of the screen space

>>81404 >the reason couldn't be better: to support systemd. Maybe... >Future of init systems (pid-1, service manager) >Do we want to allow changing pid-1 / service manager? (aports!59848) >Do we want to support multiple pid-1 / service managers? (dinit, runit, s6-linux-init, s6-rc are already packaged) >Do we want to change the default pid-1 / service manager? https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/tsc/-/issues/78 Someone mentioned that optional SystemD support would be a good thing but the consensus seems to be that it wouldn't be practical?

>>81413 Gentoo supports both, though. Anyway, the /usr merge (done on Gentoo too) is a good thing, since /usr is historical nonsense (cf https://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busybox/2010-December/074114.html).

>>81379 >I would actually prefer if more movies would have religious themes or more religious characters. I bet you wouldn't appreciate it if it was one religion with one narrative being repeated ad nauseam. That's the point you seem to be trying so hard to wriggle out of. I'm sure you enjoy exploring new ideas as much as anyone else but we're talking about the exact opposite of that, we're talking about one extremely narrow, authoritarian, intolerant worldview being crammed down everybody's throats. Just because they use minority groups as human shields doesn't mean we have to put up with it. >>81413 >Someone mentioned that optional SystemD support would be a good thing but the consensus seems to be that it wouldn't be practical? The whole point of Alpine is to be small and light. But setting that aside even Gentoo doesn't seem to support systemd+musl so there might be some technical reason why that combination doesn't work. https://www.gentoo.org/downloads/

>>81418 >Anyway, the /usr merge (done on Gentoo too) is a good thing, since /usr is historical nonsense ok poettering

>>81420 >I bet you wouldn't appreciate it if it was one religion with one narrative being repeated ad nauseam. Christianity is pretty ubiquitous where I am anyway. I would appreciate if there was more interesting nuance and effort put in to it. Most of the "Christian movies" you can find today are real garbage produced by people who have a surface-level, ideological understanding. >That's the point you seem to be trying so hard to wriggle out of. Is your point that homosexuality is now a bigger and more established religion than other religions? You must have pretty big blinders on if you think that. >I'm sure you enjoy exploring new ideas as much as anyone else I was raised Christian and I've read the whole bible multiple times, it's not new to me. >but we're talking about the exact opposite of that, we're talking about one extremely narrow, authoritarian, intolerant worldview being crammed down everybody's throats. Are we? Like I said, video games or movies having gay characters doesn't make them gay propaganda, any more than having a Christian character makes a movie Christian propaganda. The fact that people will go completely apeshit over extremely minor things (remember when people said star field was "woke" for having a pronoun selector?) seems to indicate to me that this ideology is very much NOT dominant, and furthermore based on what I've seen, the intolerance is almost entirely on the other side. >Just because they use minority groups as human shields doesn't mean we have to put up with it. Quite right. However, I think you're conflating the interests of those minority groups with the interests of the corporqtes in an attempt to justify by you don't like the minority groups.

>>81410 they're tolerated because gtk is (sadly) a massive centerpiece of the linux desktop experience. even if you use a qt based desktop you're still going to need gtk3/4 installed, if you use a gtk based DE you won't ever need a qt dependency. even meme soykaf like guile is integrated well with gtk, can't say the same for qt. >>81412 wayland is the prime example of sunk cost fallacy: "wayland is almost done, 2 more years", next thing you know it's been 15 years and people are scratching their heads on why x11 wasn't patched up instead. then valve comes along and suddenly the entire GNOME team is soykafting their pants at the prospect of losing their control. > See their stubborness in refusing to support server side decorations, instead asking everyone to use their soykaf libadwaita library iirc their intent is to have people make their own libraries but again no one has the time for that.

>>81424 >people are scratching their heads on why x11 wasn't patched up instead Are people really scratching their heads? X11 didn't need patches, it needed a complete rewrite. This his always been obvious to everyone. Anyway, I've been using a wayland-based desktop for years (sway) and I have no complaints. It could definitely be better but, based on extensive experience with both, I think it is leagues better than x11.

>>81418 One thing you're forgetting about, Mr Poettering, is that on Gentoo GNU+Linux it is completely _optional_ to have the usr-merge done on your system. And no, it's not for historical "nonsense" (and history in itself has value, though I understand some want it to be forgotten), having an independent, small and flexible system on / that can be used for rescue is one technical merit of following the standard.

>>81425 fair. personally i've never had the best experience with wayland (redshift for instance doesn't work on it) but i'll probably give it another shot sometime.

>>81422 >Is your point that homosexuality is now a bigger and more established religion than other religions? In the Western world yes. >You must have pretty big blinders on if you think that. If you desecrate a rainbow flag you literally go to jail. If you put a bible in a toilet it becomes "art" in a museum. >I think you're conflating the interests of those minority groups with the interests of the corporqtes in an attempt to justify by you don't like the minority groups. Where is this personal attack coming from? I haven't given you any information about my identity you are jumping to conclusions like a trained monkey. I see the exact same rainbow flag pattern with arrows on the side flying over corporate buildings, government buildings, police cars and military vehicles. Whoever owns our corporations also owns our governments. I don't understand why that doesn't scare the soykaf out of you. > even meme soykaf like guile is integrated well with gtk, can't say the same for qt. GTK used to be part of the GNU umbrella so of course it supports GNU Guile. Next you're going to find out that Microsoft Excel supports Microsoft Visual Basic.

>>81465 >GTK used to be part of the GNU umbrella so of course it supports GNU Guile i'm quite aware of that, my point was to drive home how much GTK is ingrained in the linux desktop space.

>>81465 >If you desecrate a rainbow flag you literally go to jail. Where? US free speech laws are pretty unambiguous about that. You have to be doing something explicitly threatening (e.g. burning a church's cross at night) to be arrested for hate crimes. You could burn a homo flag publicly and people probably wouldn't like it, but you definitely wouldn't go to jail. >Where is this personal attack coming from? I'm sorry you interpreted my observations of what I believe your attitude towards homosexuality to be as a personal attack. >I see the exact same rainbow flag pattern with arrows on the side flying over corporate buildings, government buildings, police cars and military vehicles. I see the exact same cross pattern on like fifty national flags, and I see a church on every other corner. Every single president and a majority of congress is a professed Christian, and many of them go to church. That doesn't scare me either.

>>81493 https://eu.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/crime/2024/02/12/lgbtq-street-mural-defaced-again-in-florida-19-year-old-facing-charges/72574803007/ this is the sort of thing I assume he's reffering to, iirc its happened multiple times.

>>81494 So they were arrested for defacing a mural. In other words, vandalism. And honestly doing a "burnout" should be illegal no matter what's on the road. The only other one I could find was where a guy stole a flag and burned it after harassing some people at a bar.

>>81465 >If you desecrate a rainbow flag you literally go to jail. It isn't illegal in itself. https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check/burning-bible-or-pride-flag-is-protected-in-us-absent-other-crimes-idUSL1N37N1L5/ The US could roll back under Trump to throwing people in prison for burning a US flag and who knows maybe Israel's flag too. That must have you pretty upset, right? https://www.newsweek.com/trump-backs-jail-burning-american-flags-1944742 > I see the exact same rainbow flag pattern with arrows on the side flying over corporate buildings, government buildings, police cars and military vehicles. It's a marketing strategy for corporations. They all are trying to sell to different demographics sometimes opposing ones but it doesn't tell you what their real views are other than wanting money. Military in the US has been having dwindling numbers in people signing up so they are trying to branch out in a comically futile attempt, though some cases it isnt from higher ups but troops. Police are just doing PR trying to make liberals like them more. > Whoever owns our corporations also owns our governments. It seems most citizens want lobbying illegal though. Ever seen someone that wasn't a millionaire or a politician approving of lobbying?

>>81033 if you're not aware, he's not even the most prominent jewish conservative. ben shapiro and dennis prager are bigger examples polite sage for tangent