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A Permanent Collection.

Crazy Jake · 2023-12-29 04:01
The issue with shadow libraries and other grey collections is that they require a human caretaker to remain online. Wouldn't it be nice if one could make a website that only needed people to donate to its crypto wallet to continue functioning in perpetuity? I feel like this should be possible. Have a static website, make it content-addressed, and then host it on a decentralized storage network. This is what I thought IPFS+Filecoin was about, but reading up on Filecoin shows that it apparently doesn't support hosting (yet?). Crust network does, but it uses per-file assurance pools which would require a DAO to maintain if it's even possible at all to do automatically. Arweave sidesteps the issue by having a one-time fee, but the price is very steep at ~$8.5 per GB. There is also the moronic Universal Data License to worry about going forward. Is there a way to do this, Lain? Not in principle, but today. Present time. There needs to be a "permanent" collection.
Neuromancer · 2023-12-29 10:18
nothing survives if nobody cares about it and if nobody cares, what use is there in keeping it? one moderately obsessed computerfucker can keep information online for decades, which will probably outlast any of the projects you mentioned
Lord Nikon · 2023-12-30 16:09
>Decentralized storage network Torrents for obscure but not-too-obscure things end up doing this in practice. Can't see completely removing the human element unless you set up a botnet - someone (multiple someones) have to to voluntarily decide to host the content. Tying the decentralization to a crypto project isn't any different on a pragmatic level than having a couple of "human caretakers" hosting in different countries. You'd be better off investing in weatherproofing, land, and solar panels if actual longevity is your goal.
Miho Iwakura · 2023-12-30 16:13
>>75033 Exactly, and 'people donating crypto' implies that someone cares about it, in which case they could just host their own mirror of said collection instead, after the original dies..
James from the internet · 2023-12-30 19:13
People have seed boxes set on auto grab. Thats about the best you can hope for for now. fuarrrk blockchain tech, its stupid and wasteful.
Unknown · 2023-12-31 08:14
sounds like IPFS is the next best thing?
Hououin Kyouma · 2023-12-31 08:48
at the end of the day you have to have storage somewhere, network accessible storage, and that ultimately means that you have to have a number of people paying for or otherwise providing that storage. If you dont have enough storage, or the storage is unreliable, then you loose stuff. all fancy crypto shenanigans can do is furnish a system to pay for that storage. That's probably better than pure voluntarism as in freenet, but its not great.
Stratocypher · 2024-01-02 08:16
>>75063 Makes sense. In the end, you'd end up in the initial problem. What you really need is multiple people hosting or storing the library. For the latter I have a radically different idea. Building a physical object that contains an HDD which stores every book ever written. The HDD is not the interesting part, but the artifact that contains it. Picture a state of the art piece, resembling something like a crystal or golden book. Something people would value because of its aesthetic value, which would incentivate them to buy and keep over time. People may forget an HDD laying on a corner collecting dust, but give a pleasant and fancy aura, like a piece of an art collection, and even a normal person would mantain it for years. Over time you'd have a Descentralized storage with an incentive to be kept.
Dr. X · 2024-01-03 19:40
>>75023 >removing all human interaction from an archive Foolish, irresponsible, and not remotely possible. The autonomy of any given network is always relative. All computer networks are abstractions of sneakernet at the end of the day, like it or not.
fsociety · 2024-01-03 20:16
>>75064 Caring is not a boolean thing. I might care enough to donate some money but not enough to host a mirror and support it for a lifetime.
Haruyoshi · 2024-01-04 07:06
>nothing survives if nobody cares about it this. /thread your question is retarded i care more about having any way to share files period which we do not have because retards are content with clearnet p2p or some bullshit and even form autistic religions around it
Delilah · 2024-01-04 10:48
>nothing survives if nobody cares about it well, the alternative is to put it in a place where its safe and does not need to be cared for. No one was caring for those pompeiian frescos for two millennia yet they're doing alright. You have really three options: the caretaker method, the spam method, and the hideyhole method. Most people here are talking about caretaker, >>75082 slightly hits at spam where you jsut have a lot of them (plus if people like em thats good) but the assumption is they last because they're everywhere, and pompeii is the hideyhole.