The privacy VPN

Hi lains. There's http://5essxguxi5enurgtuquvrjuvikss4gc5lbhmtz57cq4cedqx5tqvaxqd.onion/ which is a good thing. It covers good topics. It's useful. Now, I'm using xeovoVPN (xeovo.com). It is a very small provider, but anything bigger is simply blocked. Their site uses cloudflare unfortunately and when you pay with card you use stripe (mullvad uses something else which seems to be more trustworthy, but I'm clueless). Is there any sites like the mentioned in the first paragraph, which would do VPN reviews? I'm quite capable of reading TOS ans Privacy Policy, but I'm not into more sophisticated ways to deceive a user. Would be very nice to read a bunch of good reviews to exercise. There was that one privacy guy but he perished iirc. Also, do you know niche small VPN providers, which could be more or less trusted? Would you share?

>Is there any sites And I can't delete the thread because of wrong password. Guess I just die of sheer shame.

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>>71150 Yes. The question still remains though, because there seems to be so little discussion about VPNs. I could resort to Reddit, but I don't see a reason to do so. People there are usually just as clueless as I am.

I wouldn't even consider trusting a provider that I cannot pay with monero

>>71173 You can pay xeovo with monero. By the way does no one really cares about VPNs? How do you survive in the clownworld? Do you just pay mullvad? Maybe small private providers just don't exist? I've seen a bunch of Windows only "privacy" VPNs which didn't even work without bloating your system with their own client. But I've seen them recommended by some gullible people on reddit, which is already enough to not bother checking it. Are there no places to search for VPN providers? How do the providers make themselves known then?

>>71213 because I selfhost my own VPN. Getting a cheap VPS (or multiple if you do global networking like me), you can make your own personal (global) VPN network. It's not very hard to do, very rewarding, very good trust (it's your own infrastructure, made by you). More expensive, maybe, but with a VPS you can do so much more!

>>71213 Mullvad and ivpn are the only good ones that I know of, first time hearing about xeovo. Most things that I do on the internet can be done via Tor so I don't care much about VPNs anymore. >>71214 That's stupid if you're doing it for privacy, because you can be tracked across websites due to your static IP address. A VPS is also not 'your infra', it's a rental server.. you don't own it. It's got no upsides compared to commercial VPNs and a few downsides.

>>71215 >That's stupid if you're doing it for privacy, because you can be tracked across websites due to your static IP address It's not stupid, it's simply not part of my threat model. And besides, websites have more effective ways to track than IP addresses. We don't live in 1998 anymore where sites knew our existence from purely web server logs, HTML canvas tracking, JS, cookies and metadata ig are the preferred methods these days. >A VPS is also not 'your infra', it's a rental server. Where you get to chose what VPN stack you want to use, either ovpn, wireguard, ipsec, or any os such as openbsd, any distro of your chosing, plan 9 even :)). Now good luck doing that with VPN as a service. Aside from sniffing encrypted packets their side, having a VNC session, or extreme case making a RAM dump of my VM, they don't know much of what I do. >It's got no upsides compared to commercial VPNs and a few downsides. I'd say it's got some upsides to the good hands. For most people you're better off with pre-made VPN infra, and some VPS providers do offer that at a significantly lower fare, but I prefer the VPS option solely because it's in my control.

>>71217 Your VPN provider can't do much either, provided you use https. They can sniff unencrypted traffic, however. But so is your VPS provider. And good VPS providers (see posts above) allow you to pay with crypto and stay relatively anonymous. Finding a crypto VPS is TOO expensive. And as long as it's tied to your card I don't see much point because it's not anonymous.

There are still people falling to this meme VPN=privacy ? Why would you trust more a VPN provider than your ISP ? Depending on where you live using your ISP is just more secure than using a VPN with shaddy TOS and located in some locations with shaddy laws about your data. >B... But they told in the advertising they don't log users If you blindtrust them you have simplu=y no idea on how things really work. If you want privacy, just use Tor. External VPN providers were never and never will be designed for privacy. At best it can help you to break geolrestriction and avoid some laws on piracy. I never used a VPN expect thje one to connect to my network when I'm travelling and don't want to use some insecure free wifi. The laws of my country take care of the internet users and for things that I feel I really need privacy I just use darknets. So maybe some niche VPN providers that use specific protocols may be more privacy oriented (don't recall the name but the one based on some cryptocoin or mixing technology ala zeronet ?) but surely not the "big names" you see in the clickbait top XX best VPN for current year.

>>71705 >Depending on where you live using your ISP is just more secure than using a VPN with shaddy TOS and located in some locations with shaddy laws about your data. ISP absolutely, 100% sells practically all info about you data, including where you live, your name, etc. Whether VPN company even collects all that info, much less sells it, is not so straightforward. Plus, a shared VPN helps to avoid having an easily trackable IP address. >If you want privacy, just use Tor. Yeah, fair

>>71706 Yeah, I disagree with the vehement sentiment of "VPNs are absolutely useless for privacy" that appears in some corners of the internet. Yes, If you presume that your VPN sells you out at the drop of a hat, sure, but it relies *entirely* on that assumption. Hell, I value privacy from my ISP more than most forms of privacy. How are you going to track me when I'm on an IP shared by thousands in a sandboxed browser without any personal logins or search patterns? Bah. No guarantee, but unless I'm breaking serious laws, not particularly concerned.

>>71706 >ISP absolutely, 100% sells practically all info about you data Not here as the laws forbid them. And I have a better trust in the local jurisdiction about that topic than a VPN society based in Panama or simply in a country in wich the jurisdiction is less strict towards user data usage by the corps. Also it' easier for me to ask a local compabny to comply to the local laws if I want to. >So maybe some niche VPN providers... Remember the names now : Mysterium and Cryptostorm but I have absolutely no idea if they're good. I just seen the namùe some times ago while lurking some dark corners of the internet.

>>71705 >If you blindtrust them you have simplu=y no idea on how things really work. Why do people say this when there are so many instances of VPN providers being subpoenaed and shrugging their shoulders because they literally can't provide logs that don't exist?

>>71824 Yes, maybe some. But as they all pretend this and there are no facts until some IRL verification (like a subpoena) you have at first to blindly trust them. And there are exemples of VPN providers promising not to keep the logs, but in the end, when the courts ask them to, they know how to give them up. So the basic approach here is to start from the premise they'll do it ever if they claim the opposite.

>>71147 How the hell do I even access .onion websites?

>>72236 Tor? >>71705 >Why would you trust more a VPN provider than your ISP? Because I live in fuarrrking 3rd world? > more secure So is it more private or more secure? Your whole point is pointless, because you yourself do not understand what you are talking about. Instead you just jump between unrelated things unable even to keep you flow of thoughts even. >>71706 >ISP absolutely, 100% sells Can you elaborate this point? >>71708 Not really. Reason why VPN is not a good choice when you want privacy is because its provider is bound by law. Police can legally request your VPN provider to decrypt traffic to find out who exactly is breaking it. Of course, this requires an order and it can only be given in certain situations, but nonetheless. With tor, however, there is no way to find your real identity, except by compromising huge amount of nodes or hacking you Tails OS video player, LOL.

>>72243 >Because I live in fuarrrking 3rd world? That's why I said depending on where you living >more secure yes, in some cases. More privacy ? again, depending where you living, your ISP and VPN provider you use. There are not only one truth. Just adapt your use on the fly. In my case using a VPN service is pointless as for security and privacy because here ISP are regulated by laws that protect the user. I the worst case scenario I have more confidence in my ISP than in a VPN service provider that is not under the laws of my country. If my ISP does bad things I have the juridic power to defend myself. At best if I had to use an external VPN service provider it would be to warez purpose. If I really want privacy, again, I just use Tor. >you yourself do not understand what you are talking about You yourself don't understood what I have wrote. >>71706 What guarantee you VPN service provider don't sell your datas ? Because they told it on their TOS ? So my ISP told it to so who can I trust more ?

>>71215 sauce on IVPN being gud?

>>72249 Trust me ™. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IVPN https://www.ivpn.net/trust https://www.ivpn.net/transparency-report/ https://www.ivpn.net/legal-process-guidelines Such information is provided by them, so may have a reason to not trust it. I have no clue how to check that the information is correct. If anyone can elaborate, it would be awesome.

>>72243 Yeah don't know how to use Tor