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people need to shut the fuarrrk up about gaming being 'easy' on linux. its not. you cant play a game without installing like 3 billion random software or scripts, spending 6 hours reading poorly written documentation and blogs to try to figure out how to configure it all, only to find out that you still cant actually run the games you want. wanna install a fitgirl repack? "get fuarrrked!", says wine! "im gonna be impossible to understand and you wont be able to configure soykaf to get it working and we will never actually tell you how to fix anything that goes wrong!" wanna play deus ex that you bought on gog? too bad! the game requires modifications to actually run properly, and you cant get it working either and good luck finding an answer to some generic error code, or even worse getting no message at all. nothing works, nothing is explained well. all the software is like kicking dead whales down the beach. im probably gonna have to give up on games entirely with the exception of minecraft, because its the only game that actually seems to work without a bunch of effort that shouldnt be necessary to get something working.

>>71135 >people need to shut the fuarrrk up about gaming being 'easy' on linux. its not. Do people say that? I don't game but I've only seen the consensus shift from "you need to dualboot or have a vm if you want to play games" to "there's a bunch of steam games that work now but it's got a ways to go."

>>71135 i just like to have a different computer/server that i use for games. if you have more than one computer its not a big deal.

>>71136 It's quite good when you let steam handle everything for you. However, this user wants to outside of steam, where nobody holds your hand. I would recommend Lutris if it is an acceptable alternative: they have installers/configurations for many GOG games.

>>71139 There is a general hostility to helping people with tech issues if it's clear they are pirating, which is unfortunate.

Don't skid it, use common sense, GoL/PoL scripts get outdated or work on some very specific configurations. Look for the software you are trying to run on the wine website and take note of their configuration. My understanding regarding repacks/cracked software is that they exploit very specific windows bugs. Old software almost always works out of the box without having to run silly scripts, not sure what your issue was with Deus Ex.

>>71136 ive seen it being promoted by soykafbags like ltt who are like "gaming is easy! its just one click in this pretty gui store to download lutris!" etc etc completly skipping over the fact that actually configuring lutris and wine and stuff. im uninstalling everything and trying a fresh slate tomorrow but its been a pain. >>71140 im trynna stay away from steam and sticking to torrents or gog whenever i can. "just use proton" doesnt exactly work for me but people dont seem to be interested in actually acknowledging that the core issue is far from being addressed

>>71142 I know that it's possible to use proton separately from Steam, but I wasn't able to figure it out personally. I think that's probably going to be your best option though.

>>71142 >acknowledging that the core issue is far from being addressed What "core issue" would that be?

Oh yeah I hate fitgirl repacks, I recently got one to work but it was still a pain in the ass. I usually go with other repacks if there is a choice. 70% of my problems on Linux is because of soykaf installers, but once soykaf is installed 90% just work for me

>when you click the file that says 'Mindustry' right after downloading and it just runs Clearly OP just failed a DHXR install and speaks more out of frustration than anything else Altho i did wake up today wanting to stimulate my mind with a mechanical thinking game and realized there was nothing that came to mind for me Guess it's time for minecraft...

>>71135 I was once trying trying to run a game called Warframe on Linux Mint 21.1 Cinnamon. The damn thing wouldn't go over 30fps and it recompiled all shaders before launch every time for 40 minutes before starting. Warframe was supposedly an "easier" title to run on Linux.

>>71135 why are you trying to game on linux?

>>71135 >its not. It is not easy for YOU, you speak out of frustration. I have been using linux to play for ages. >>71135 >nothing works, nothing is explained well. Please elaborate on your specific question, seems just like you don't know where to start, typical amateur problem. The first step is admit that you don't know, and then ask for the first steps. I can't figure out how to help you besides telling you that you need to learn more, for me and my circle of friends, linux is THE platform for gaming. On windows you can't have your CPUs flooded at 100% all the time, using every timeslice for a VM, a service or even mining something, and at the same time prioritize your game to the point that you have zero lag. Need to run suspicious looking executables in a closed environment without fuarrrking up your machine? Linux got you covered. Need your games to be packed in one big file (AppImage) that you just copy around? Linux got you covered, tho I don't like AppImage for this that much, but is convenient. But Linux is a tool, learning to use it requires the obvious, learning to use it. For me all these things are dead simple, for you apparently even the most simple tasks seem impossible. Let your ego aside and learn to ask questions that will take you out of this bad place. As much as this is an open board, this is not a therapy board to complain, debate don't have reason if it doesn't bring progress.

just install teeworlds or xonotic lmao what are you even doing >firgirl repack literally you(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Low-quality discussion))

Honestly gaming on Windows for me was more broken than gaming on Linux. On Linux things just werk.

>>71135 just werks in my machine

works on my machine.. skill issue?

>>71178 well im gonna break into your house and steal your computer then >>71161 stallman freedumb dicksucker detected: initiate nuclear strike

*sigh* Can we make sure that your config meets: > stable distro > Updated kernel > Updated mesa and graphic drivers > Installed stable but recent wine version > Check a game in the winedb site and open the comments to see if there is anything else needed to make a game run I do not have experience with many steam games, just a few that required changing the direct d2d dll to native. The key is in the config, run wine and the exe from shell to see if any errors give clues. Yes installers suck in wine and that's why scripts were created, in windows installing means a combination of extracting files and adding regkeys, if the script is outdated you might have to do some of that manually In any case, user contributions from the winedb site are your friend, that's where I learned all of this

Gaming on Linux works great if all you play is AssaultCube, and since AssaultCube is the only game anyone should ever want to play, gaming on Linux works great

>>71135 >install steam >steam games justwerk >install lutris >gog games justwerk not sure what you're problem is. I use archbtw.

>>71135 Personally, when I'm talking seriously, I don't like recommending Linux and especially gaming because I know the experience of each person varies a lot, mainly depending on the hardware or because of other reasons I ignore and I don't want to feel responsible and have to help the guy I recommended Linux to. However, to speak of my experience with Linux gaming: - steam games just work. I do check protondb before buying and I avoid problematic games but overall things have been good for me - Emulation for retro games works fine. At least when it comes to playing the actual game without getting extravagant because emulators like BizHawk and other fancy tools are a bit troublesome. - Lutris has been a great help especially for configuring my wine games. I didn't use the install scripts often though. I've only used it to install osu! and it worked great and super easily. So, for me at least, gaming on Linux was a bit of an extra hustle I know I wouldn't need on windows but it was still easy.

Gaming on Linux is pretty easy as long as you stick to Steam or Lutris, but it can still require a bit of tinkering and research. But if you're trying to configure a WINE prefix yourself then it can take a lot of trial and error, and it can also still be very inconsistent. The only games I've had serious issues running are terribly built games that run awful on Windows anyways (e.g. GTA IV), and games with anti-cheat that refuses to run under Linux/WINE.

>>71435 I could send you a drm free gog windows installer right now and you could one click install it through lutris and have it justwerk. I'm not gonna though because you're a bit of an incurious dickhead.

>>71140 Johncena171 repacks are really great for pirated linux games, and their matrix server is very helpful

>>71451 NTA, it's only one person but my piracy has increased with the amount of hard drives I can afford. Although, to be fair, most of the things I have an interest in cannot be purchased in any conventional way. So, I pirate them. Then there's all my archiving, which is about 6TB worth of video games, 212GB worth of Irish language books, 142GB worth of mostly unsorted books (Philosophy, political, textbooks, guides, etc.), 464 GB of paid podcasts, D&D/Table top soykaf, etc. 536GB worth of audio (103GB of radio, the rest is music), then about 7 TB worth of videos... then there's the private servers + game clients, which I run myself are for family/friends/etc, takes up about 153GB with all the server emulators alone. The game clients take up about 158GB, with some exception (I keep all my "PC games" in one folder.) But back when I was making a paltry income, I would buy all my games. The only things I pirated was movies and that mostly was due to an accessibility issue. Today the only thing I actually spend money on is physical books and essentials that keep me alive.

>>71456 >Don't you need two GPUs for acceptable performance? If so, that's a waste of money. decompression does'nt use the gpu, if it does then probly is a crypto miner. i only have integrated graphics, even one gpu is wasted money if your using it for gaming. a good game is one that is capable of running on a toaster.

>>71462 >(gzdoom did this excellently with modern lighting in DOOM) OpenGL lighting in Doom looks like dogshit and clashes horrendously with the sprite-based aesthetic.

>>71460 >Responsibility rests at the feet of greedy monopolists trying to control as much as they can for as long as they possibly can. Responsibility is a mutual relationship. There is the one who is responsible for, and the one who he is responsible to. The users bear the share of responsibility that is involved in holding to account those who are responsible for these decisions. Users are not children nor innocents nor idiots. Their eyes are open and have been since the 1990s when they first started making jokes about Microsoft's business practices in the fuarrrking Simpsons. The users consent to this arrangement by entering into it.

>>71486 >then try on Wine and tell me which one is easier https://github.com/otya128/winevdm https://github.com/leecher1337/ntvdmx64

>>71485 It kinda is, though. no loicense, guv?

Agreed , not everyone wants to go through soykaf ton of stuff just to play games they could get one click in Windows. Linux is great but it is more of a casual/producitivity OS than gaming one. I do gaming on linux , but it's just games that work on Steam Like Total War.

>>71135 Playing all my steam games without doing anything more than pressing button "Play". Skill issue I guess

>>72116 So is the same as in windows. I don't get what is the actual problem. You can still install things in Wine, and better than that, is much easier to have an isolated environment, with specific libs and back it up. >>72116 >And he considers the absolute refusal of pirates to work inside and from the Linux There are dozen of channels doing JUST THAT, are you guys living under a rock? You can literally find the whole GOG collection already packed for linux, and by packed I mean, 2 clicks and the game is running, no install, nothing, totally portable. I think that OP should be more specific about what is the problem.

>>71135 >Install Steam >install game >Game Options > Properties > Compatibility > Force the use of a specific Steam Play compatibility tool It's that easy. It works with 99% of Steam's games that people may play. it isn't perfect but it's way, way easier than it was some years ago. i even use it for pirated games.

I think the main dev of lutris is full of himself and a bit of a jerk, but it's the easiest way to run windows programs in the current year.

Gaming and hardware support is really the only thing holding Linux back. It's a flaw baked into the design of the system. But butthurt anti-Linux gamers are annoying. I've seen some claim Linux users a pedos, Stallman is a pedo all because they can't play their latest AAA game on a OS not designed for gaming.

>>72303 >Gaming and hardware support Those are symptoms, not the cause. What's holding Linux back is the absence of a sane graphical stack, and writing drivers for it being a massive pain in the ass for companies.

>>72304 Video games run fine on linux. Take your meds.

Why don't you have a dedicated gaming machine? Get a PS5, switch, or a windows PC with a good GPU. Pair it with a laptop running linux. This makes much more sense.

>>72299 >Windows. Wine doesn't work. It NEVER works. I am fully convinced the fuarrrkers who preach it are just trolling. I don't care about excuses such as "oh uhhh but just install (insert bunch of dependencies) and (insert convoluted steps to point exe to libraries). It's BULLSHIT. IT DOESN'T WORK. IT'S POINTLESSLY DIFFICULT. YOU SHOULD JUST RUN THE DAMN SOFTWARE ON ITS NATIVE PLATFORM AND CALL IT A DAY. So you did not try to run the software on its native platform nor on Wine. The WineVDM project recommended by >>71487 is in fact a Windows port of a subset of Wine, intending to grant Windows users a subset of the capabilities that Wine already offers. The fact that a reduced Wine port is recommended as "just works" on Windows suggests that wine is not the failure point between the user, OS, and application.

>>72326 Can't you use some Qt5 for your game? Or it's not designed for such things?

>>72326 >have worked fine Not every NVIDIA feature is well supported, like Optimus. It also doesn't work with XWayland. There's also smaller companies than NVIDIA, like all of the peripheral manufactures. >The misery point is the display system. You're right that this is a bigger problem.

>>72328 Qt5 is used to build UI, like GTK. Those work good enough, unless a developer somewhere really screws up their GTK syntax. Which is often. I think >>72326 is talking about display servers, which are in fact a disaster.

There are more than enough working games on Linux to consider it a gaming platform. Linux just doesn't have all the games that Windows does, but this is not a deal breaker for most Linux users. If you really want to play the latest triple-A with good performance, you either dual-boot or get a second machine that is dedicated to Windows gaming.

>>71135 Retro video games work perfectly, though.

>>72355 I don't particularly like wayland but X is a flaming pile of cat soykaf and wayland is better.

>>72354 This is a nice, insightful post.

>>72433 It gets worse. This is the paper proposing "Y" as a replacement for X. https://web.archive.org/web/20150518222841/http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/pls/portallive/docs/1/18619743.PDF It SPECIFICALLY AND EXPLICITLY makes special note of the fact that asynchronicity, and network service, are the particular and especial strengths that gave X advantage over every commercial Unix rival, and that synchronicity kills latency, and that synchronicity is the fundamental problem with Fresco. One of the most cited documents justifying the pursuit of the Wayland project contains within the first twenty pages what should have been the wayland obituary.

>>72446 >>72447 Please remember to replace all instances of "Red Hat" with "IBM" from now on. People need to be reminded whom their enemies are.

>>71135 it's incredibly easy, you're a just a whiny loser, go back to windows

>>71135 With Proton or Lutris, 9 times out of 10, it's just click install and play. Outside of those, I can see how it could get complicated.

You think it is like kicking dead whales down the beach for you OP? Huh? Look what we have to deal with ;_; https://www.freebsd.org/ports/games Verily, those who suffer do not contemplate the fate of those worse off than themselves

>installs arch >installs steam >download game and play been using linux for 3 months ands its ez my guy. I even played some games from itchio using lutris and random ass proton laye4s

Linux is an operating system for developers, no matter how hard you try to turn it into a windows alternative. It's not.

>>73082 Linux is an operating system "for fun," to help a college student figure out how an intel 80386 works and what all it is capable of doing. Developers glommed onto it for various reasons in the decades that followed achievement of that purpose. Almost all of those various developer reasons are today no longer valid. For example Apple now supplies professional quality Unix operating systems far below the price of the NeXT boxes that Carmack & co needed to build Doom. All operating systems now have adequate, native modern compilers for C style languages without the butchery of Microsoft Turbo-C. DirectX is no longer distinctly inferior to OpenGL, and even if it were OpenGL works more or less natively in a platform agnostic way after Microsoft buried the hatchet. The extent to which Linux is a good or even adequate solution for development environment is also increasingly questionable. Linux does not offer support for industry standard solutions such as Microsoft Visual Studio Pro, and this means that Linux will not in the future offer support for AI-accelerated development utilizing the CoPilot features that OpenAI and its partner Microsoft will soon integrate into the interfacial orifices of every Windows environment. And by share of adoption Linux isn't for developers either, it's for user-ignored peripherals and backend systems. In both of those systems its vulnerabilities are increasingly showing and therefore it is on those fronts that development from large corporate interests would rationally focus. Linux having purpose as a networking and infrastructure OS is also increasingly questionable. Chrome and Android have in the past been steered by Google in the direction of adopting a proprietary minix- or bsd-based kernel, though I'm not sure anything came of those motions. What I am sure of is that Microsoft Azure and Windows solutions have found rapid and rapidly-expanding adoption into network roles throughout the business world due in no small part to Microsoft's ability to both offer direct support and to certify and vouch for the credentials of independent network technicians and professionals at a level unparalleled in the Linux ecosystem, even when accounting for Red Hat. With M$ there is always someone to turn to, someone to point at, and most importantly for any executive, someone to blame. Improvements made to Linux in the near future will focus on meeting these needs rather than on building up developer experience, provided improvements are made by large interests to meet large needs. Developers are just barely above level with gamers and media pirates in terms of their significance to Linux adoption. All three are significantly below the critical importance of minimal, unprivileged browser and internet media player endusers given the monumental importance of integrating ChromeOS into education for the hopes and dreams of Alphabet Inc.

>>73227 This post is pretty much gibberish, it would be really sad if it weren't pasta. >Linux does not offer support for industry standard solutions such as Microsoft Visual Studio Pro Why do you expect your operating system to port software for you? I ask not because I want to know the answer from a pea-brained troglodyte like whoever wrote this post, but because I want to understand why "linux doesn't support <software that doesn't support linux>" is such a common complaint.

>>73228 It's a fair point because from the user perspective it doesn't matter why you can't do what you want. But is there even a reason to use Visual Studio and not vscode anyway? I hear about people using vscode way more often and that works fine on linux.

>>73230 The only reason to use VS instead of VScode is if youre doing Windows development, where it is much easier than any other IDE.

I'm replying to you from an iMac G5 running MacOS 10.4.11 and my main system is a modern PC running Linux Mint. I'm sick and tired of all these concern trolling threads spammed on the internet as if the Halloween documents weren't leaked...

>>73230 >from the user perspective it doesn't matter why you can't do what you want. I mean, sure, if by "the user perspective" you mean someone who doesn't think critically.

>>73228 >Why do you expect your operating system to port software for you? Why don't you expect WINE to offer a functional and adequate Windows equivalent environment for running core Windows applications such as the office suite and development environment? Why is the bar for declaring a Wine victory the point at which it can support 16-bit games from Windows 3.11 rather than the Windows application suites that professionals use all day, every day?

>>73235 It's not! WINE is like kicking dead whales down the beach and always has, but it's a compatibility layer being developed without any help from Microsoft, it's always going to have problems. Do you expect every allocation built for Linux to work flawlessly with WSL, which has a much easier job to do?

>>73235 all those professional suites can't work without windows framework and a proper graphical acceleration device, so a GPU, dumbass. You can launch Adobe products on wine just fine, the problem is that it will behave like my penis when I'm drunk, e.g you won't see where selection goes or it will simply disappear every two seconds. It's not trivial to translate Windows syscalls, hacks and workarounds, while it is relatively simple to translate Vulkan/DX calls that work directly with your hardware.

>>73234 Obviously that is not what I mean. If there is software you want to use, then an OS on which that software doesn't run is worse for it and it is fair to rank it lower for that reason. It doesn't matter whose fault that is, or whether it can be attributed to any bad decisions or design, the only criteria that rightly matters is how useful it is to you. People don't use software to validate the efforts or feelings of developers, and that's not because they can't think critically.

The answer to Life is not so simple as "Linux." Don't get me wrong -- Linux is my choice for web & database backend servers. But, don't confuse a backend for a frontend -- unless the only thing you care about are backends. The funny thing is, as soon as you tell me (and quite proudly, I might add) that you primarily run Linux, I already know a ton about you. I know that you have no artistic ability -- that you're not into full-stack or front-end dev (no photoshop), you're not a photographer (no lightroom), and you're not into video editing (no premiere). I know you're not a software entrepreneur, as you would have needed full-stack development for that. I know you're not into remote collaboration with Google Drive (and Dropbox support is being ended soon). I know you're not an iOS developer (no XCode), or mobile developer at all (which generally requires Photoshop). I know you haven't honed your UX/product sense. Even if you dual-boot, I know you're in pain and will probably lose a bunch of data one day and have no idea what happened. You see that? In your search for "freedom," you have boxed yourself in like a caged rat. if you carry apple products it's more likely you don't have to compromise on groceries you want to buy or clothes you want to wear and your apartment isn't 'fixed up' using scraps found somewhere near landfill and filled with second hand hoarded junk and packaging materials. and it's also more likely that you have time and resources to pursue higher education and attain property and 'go out' instead of 'cleverly' saving pennies. it signals baseline wealth and, to extent, intellect.

>>73254 >I know that you have no artistic ability -- that you're not into full-stack or front-end dev (no photoshop), you're not a photographer (no lightroom), and you're not into video editing (no premiere). I'm not the original post, but I am a writer and also a calligrapher. The former doesn't need any particular software, the latter I don't even do on a computer. You don't know me!!

>>73254 This post is bait but the sad truth is that there really are mouthbreathers out there that think like this, and if you work in the tech industry chances are they'll be your boss one day.

>>73254 holy LARP, this dingus talks about frontend and he doesn't even know frontenders use figma instead of photoshop. In fact, the primary reason for web developers to use Linux was because Windows used to run node like CRAP to the point Microsoft had to come up with WSL as a solution. This silly billy thinks we live in 2010 where you cut a picture into pieces in Photoshop and then glue CSS on top of it. Yeah, this is THE guy who will tell you he knows "a ton" about you.

>>73254 that pasta is literally over a decade old >>72455 >pulseaudio & gnome3 wasted everyone's time and energy, diminished the reputation and viability of desktop linux, and locked collosal bloat and mess into linux fuarrrking this. I'm not going to pretend that the Linux desktop interface experience didn't peak during the GNOME 2 days. Way back then, you had a desktop was easy to bring total noobs up to speed with, it was very customizable, GTK2 was a widely used and reasonably okay UI toolkit that made sense (even if it was a bit bloated), and even Qt stuff would integrate into the GTK theme pretty well. UI controls behaved in a normal way that users of other systems would understand. I am genuinely convinced that the push for GTK3 has been a deliberate attempt to kill any idea of unity in the Linux desktop space. GNOME 3 has been such an actively terrible, completely bonkers abomination that I don't know what to say. It's like someone took everything about normal desktop interface design and said "why the fuarrrk would we do that?" God, PulseAudio at least works now... like ten fuarrrking years after it got shoved down everyone's throat after every distro scrambled to adopt it despite it clearly not fuarrrking being ready for prime-time. Particularly annoying was how much soykaf required pulse to be running, but a bunch of other soykaf broke with it (some of this wasn't pulse's fault), and then it'd just like fuarrrk up audio playback on its own in other cases, and I was constantly killing and restarting pulse. I have no idea how a non-technical user would deal with that. >>72432 Christ. Cursor latency is probably the most immediate sign to even the least technical user that the system is garbage. Only when things was completely fuarrrked up would the cursor not move immediately (and often, it'd be due to the system being utterly locked up).

>>73294 >God, PulseAudio at least works now it actually doesn't, there is a high chance you actually run pipewire with pulse layer support.

>>73264 I just think windows is a terrible OS for any development work in general. Especially now where I'm not even sure what type of customer they're trying to aim for besides the ones who enjoy having ads in their start menu. It becomes polluted faster than anything else due to just installing everything to the same programs folder and registry. However Linux is a mess where distros often adapt unpolished systems because they're new and hope it will reach maturity quicker in a live environment. The devs I see using it are usually running something like nix os with a tiled window manager, avoiding most of the current nonsense. While pretty much every other dev I see is using a mac to the point it's expected you get one handed first day on your job since I suppose it has enough of the advantages of a unix based os while not breaking all the time and supporting the mainstream softwares, especially adobe products that designers use heavily alongside layouting tools like figma, XD or any other like that. Just a shame it's ran by Apple and we can't have polished foss like that.

>>73318 Apple, just like Microsoft, is deteriorating fast. Brown unwashed hands did this to the software industry. Maybe to the better, at least the competitors have a valid reason to take advantage over it. >distros often adapt unpolished systems because they're new I firmly believe this is a subversion tactic, because there is zero reason to push into masses something that is incredibly half-baked. It works every single time because it instantly builds a cult of internet opinion havers who try to fill new, empty space with their presence.

>>73319 Yes, I too have the suspicion that companies like Microsoft with their embrace, extend, extinguish strategies are entering step 3 now and why I see this irrationally relentless push for Wayland for instance, which comes at a time when Linus is beginning to hit it off with a broader userbase and wider interest of adoption in the face of the recent product decisions for Windows. Usually I postpone updates as much as I can on Mac os but still I see why it's being preferred despite all the outsorcing and ideology and nepotism driven hiring practices. There's the problem of logistics for open source projects. Things like often not being able to pay your bills with it, making it subject to sponsored soft sabotage by tech giants but also it depending on people's labor that's done in their free time. And when it does pay somewhat you get something like Red Hat emerging and trying their own capturing schemes while the odd end-user such as I is just scrambling to find something that is not cyberhumped to the brim and just lets me do the work I want to do without having to fix some basic functionality all the time that worked well in the prior version. It's all so tiresome.

>>71135 Werks on my machine. Idk what you're doing wrong. Fit girl repacks mostly work all the time for me. The average person shouldn't use Linux, due to the fact forums get filled up with useless junk about people not knowing how to do basic things.

>>71376 now try to install a wabbajack modlist for a bethesda game. or try to install any mods from nexusmods.com

It is easy. You're probably just stupid.

>>73893 That all works. It literally all works. No really. Even Vortex/MO2 work. All mod tools for all Bethesda games work.

i think its amazing how you can now run pretty much every native windows game on linux with little to no effort these days. if you are new to linux you wont get it and therefore wont be able to appreciate how much it has improved. anyway stop being such a baby, figure it out or buy a playstation, or even better stop playing video games altogether. those are bad for you.

It's important to normal people that a computer isn't a videoconsole, and they still can use Windows as well *nix distros for whatever other usage, commodity, or simply want it. Computers, with a big emphasis in those which runs UNIX-like OSes, are mostly a tool for working and creating things.

>install flatpak >install steam (games), lutris (non-steam/pirated games) and mesa-git/nvidia (latest GPU drivers) >play your games you're fuarrrking stupid if you manage to screw this up

>>73900 >>install flatpak this makes me want to quit life as i no longer can have nice things in my computer only windowzzz and this

>>73901 >flatpak is... le bad no, it's great actually i love being able to run devuan/debian stable and always having the option to install the latest release of X application without going frankendebian or compiling soykaf from source i love installing proprietary applications like steam through it since it sandboxes everything it literally gives you the latest mesa-git binaries/nvidia drivers with one command without breaking the rest of your system, wtf more do you want >inb4 but muh disk space stop being poor

>>73903 I need a normal operational system designed by normal people. Not gnome pushed dbus piece of terrible crap.

>>73904 >i need a normal operational system designed by normal people sounds like devuan/debian should be right up your alley >not gnome pushed dbus piece of terrible crap not sure what lain meant by this, you can install any DE on debian and the devuan netinstaller selects xfce as the default

>>73905 I recently started using Debian on a home server. I don't use Linux as my daily driver and I have no frame of reference. That being said, I kinda like systemd. It's nice to have a service manager. Something that will start programs at boot, allow me to stop and restart them, and give me logs. Plus lots of things have per-written service files. Before this, I was using WSL, which does not have systemd. I'd start things at boot by manually executing a bash script. Looking at logs by going to their directory. Restarting things directly. Systemd has made things a lot more convenient for me.

>>73905 >>73909 fuarrrking trolls. i'm tired of linux not having a clear cut rigid model/design and userspace being monkeyed by some retards. why can't anybody create a well documented, well structured and standardized kernel plus userspace? just a fuarrrking bunch of standards for kernel and a bunch for userspace. instead they push random retarded soykaf like xdg portals and wayland holy fuarrrk no security model, no model of overall interaction between different part, nothing posix must be fuarrrking torn down and replaced by a set of standards describing the whole operational system down to windowing and sound system to eliminate this fuarrrking swarm of retarder corops and monkeys holy fuarrrk i hate you. go jump off a cliff for great good

>>71140 I pirate so many games it's more like kleptomania than to actually play them. I don't have any problem because I am on W10. Not helping people to pirate on Linux won"t reduce the number of pirate, not even by one. It will only make less people interested in Linux.

>>73909 You know that all of the functionality that you described was already invented by other projects before SystemD was a thing? In 2023, you could also use sysklogd and OpenRC or Runit and you would have everything you wanted. If you really want SystemD, then you can keep on using it but don't claim that it's the only option that provides ease of use and the functionality that you described.

>>73924 It's not so much that I want to use SystemD, as it is not having good enough reason to remove and avoid it.

How much does all of this translate to other Unix like operating systems? I've heard you can get Windows software running through wine on OpenIndiana and BSDs but I'm not a heavy gamer and don't know soykaf about gaming anyway.

>>73928 >a good reason Deliberate implementation of advanced non standard functionality to break compatibility with other init/login/whatever-the-fuarrrk-else-it-implements-as-PID-1 software so that using alternative solutions becomes less and less of an option until it claims it's ultimate dominion and ushers us into the new era of open source, but not a tiny fuarrrking bit free or libre software, where you the dick they tell you to suck with the only advantage that you know it probably doesn't contain as much STDs and closed source. Holy fuarrrk.

Sounds a lot like dxhr related foo, in my experience gaming on Linux worked in like 95% of all cases first try.

Linux distro for Gaming (2023.11.03)? https://poll-maker.com/poll4992155xC6C3408c-153

>>73983 I want to specify that my vote was Fedora, but only the immutable ones like Silverblue

>>73983 I can't vote because Gentoo isn't on the list.

>>73969 As a new user, why would I care about compatibility with older init systems?

>>73983 Only one choice allowed? You're biasing the results of your poll by forcing people to choose only one.

Johncena141 does all the stuff you need, please lurk more before saying bs

>>73990 Added Silverblue >>73991 Added Gentoo >>73993 Its sufficient for my purpose. And, within limits of the service, I'm not about to power-use a poll service, yet. Several choices, pick one, if its impossible for you, thats a you problem, get over it. Let me do your calculation for you, smol person: With more voters, regardless of being unable to pick a 2nd and with no write-ins: the numbers will be undebatable and within working precision of any other featureful poll. This is a 2023.11+ crowd-sourced data set that reveals overall performance/satisfaction that no one website review can conjure, and View Results is available, for me and for you. How is the above paragraph not obvious to you in a nanosecond? You can make your own next year.

You're not wrong except in overstating your case. Most newer (offline) games actually work pretty well with proton (yes, even pirated games). I've mostly had issues with older games that require modding/fuarrrking around on windows as well to work. And then you have to figure out to do what you would do on windows but instead on wine which is an experience that is literally not worth it for any game.

It is easy for me. I think it becomes easy when you have experience and know what you are doing.

>>73992 That's the whole point. You migrating Windows click whores do not give a fuarrrk about anything as long as you are allowed to click buttons and be happy. You are extremely easy to manipulate and you are a huge fuarrrking swarm able to override any community. You are the collective normal user and the source of all woes. They take AWAY my FREEDOM. There are tons of X11 window managers. Every single one of them implements the same standards, so they work pretty much the same, but every one of the has some bit of its own feel and that makes difference. That makes FREEDOM. Freedom to enjoy these little liberties to write your thing and do so it a little bit different manner. You fuarrrking spineless brainless glitterboys are the worst thing that has ever happened, and I am so fuarrrking bitter that you have happened to Linux as well. You have destroyed it. You deserved to fuarrrking reposted right in your motherfucking faces. You take away OUR FREEDOM thus depriving me of MY FREEDOM. And then you make a smug face and say me "go liberate yourself" knowing perfectly well that no force can override you cattle. I fuarrrking wish you die.

>>74013 >You migrating Windows click whores do not give a fuarrrk about anything as long as you are allowed to click buttons and be happy. I haven't "migrated" to linux. I manage a linux server through ssh. Anyway, you're obviously a basket case. Just install FreeBSD, it's a haven for aging spergs like you.

Linux itself is a game, designed by the world government to be one big rat race to see who can hide in the deepest hole long enough.

>>71189 I'm a fuarrrking fool noob and i was trying to download zsnes but i had to install 50 billion other things and compile it all

>>74160 If you figure out how to compile ZSNES on Linux, I'd love to know your secrets.

>>74013 You are an elitist moron. Linux currently lacks proper documentation and ease-of-use, and there's too many 400-pound down-syndrome basement dwellers pretending that knowing how to compile obscure programs with CMake and 1000+ other dependencies is common knowledge. Nobody wants to be forced to use the terminal to fix soykaf like Redshift not working, or restart their computer because the desktop is running at 20fps due to the system having an nvidia gpu. You despicable cunts can't get together under one single standard and actively fragment all software and tooling that exists. I'm not about to read through 300 pages of arbitrary details within a manual just to find the slight bit of actual relevant info to my COMMON issue, nor download dependency #24324334566568490. fuarrrk you. I genuinely hope you die a slow and painful death.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST,Always argue in good faith and avoid using personal attacks.)

>>74164 I know normal people that use linux. They get along fine. I help some of them because they're my friends and I'm good with linux. Some of them had about as much trouble earlier on Windows and asked me for help about as often, but now I'm able to help them because I know the system. Maybe normal people just arent good at fixing certain types of things.

>>74164 No fuarrrk you. I wish GNU/Linux was properly designed and standardizes, but I also wish that it would be made as hard to use for cunts like you as possible. I don't give a fuarrrk about things not working for you. You might kill yourself for all I care. Making things hard and not straightforward is the only way to gatekeep the likes of you. You are fuarrrking cancer. Even on lainchan. fuarrrk off. You've killed everything there was of any value.

can anyone tell me if nobara os is good? it's made by a guy who makes proton GE.

I haven't ever any issues with gaming. Then again I'm only running emulators and in the rare exception I'm playing something else I have another machine with WINE and VMs running Win95/98 for PC and Japanese games as I prefer that to DOSBOX (perhaps I'm a soykafter with configs with it I don't know). I also haven't ever been interested in doing anything online outside of a few cases of netplay when the occasion happens or fightcade.

>>74590 good to be a sperg. no need for new games. i've been playing the same set of games since 6 years old and i am happy.

>>74591 I never said I didn't play new games. I can run yuzu and play stuff coming out on the Switch just fine. Matter of fact, that reminds me that I need to play Super Mario RPG as I still have yet to try out the remake. Could I play only games that came out 'forever ago' and be just fine? Absolutely, I could! Either way, I just wanted to set that straight since you tried to sarcastically assume I'm a sperg that only plays 25+ year old games.

>>74598 lain there was no sarcasm in my post honestly, nor any assumptions about you. i also have been hooked by a few modern games along the way, it's just that i do not tend to seek new ones often

>>74600 Oh, well let me apologize to you then. It was wrong for me to assume that, I guess my thoughts performed a cross pattern from other communities I was browsing last night taking a wrongful assumption in the way I read your post. I don't blame you for not seeking out modern games though. Most aren't worth the time, effort, and money. I took a different path of interests in where my money went when the Wii/PS3/360 first came out and if I wouldn't have I would have still been annoyed once that DLC started to get it's claws into people's wallets. DLC in my opinion was the beginning of the end for modern gaming in not having a complete game whenever you would buy one. Now if it was just cutesy stuff like "muh waifus sexy costumes" and such, I wouldn't really get too worked up over it. That's not an essential part of the game or story. But now you have entire story arcs as DLC packages that you have to buy to finish a game. Which turns me off and makes me regret even bothering with something in the first place. So, I have no problems with just downloading DLCs patching them or running a crack into a game and doing everything for free. Even if I have to wait months or even years before playing a game. Now that physical copies are a thing of the past the only way I'd actually pay for a game is if I got some type of physical collectible that I would even care about enough in the first place along with my paid purchase. I also don't understand why anyone even bothers with Steam on Linux either. Makes no sense to download that literal oozing pus pimple of garbage software. I never even used it when I had a machine with Windows 7 laying around.

>>74621 thank you lain. i was not mad at you lain. good thing when you have a spare machine to just run windows instead of trying to rape a linux hole that has never been supposed to even exist probably.

I notice a lot of shell scripts for installing games hash the files to begin with which is a really good idea but this makes the scripts break when the files are from a different version so often I end up skipping this step.

>>74665 What's the point anyway? If the game has malicious code, it has the malicious code.

>>74670 Verifying data integrity is good for lots of reasons: it helps ensure that the file you downloaded is the file you were trying to download, not some corrupted file or some other file with the same name

do I HAVE to use steam to play PC games? can't I just pirate them, click on the .exe and run them through wine? and what the fuarrrk is this proton soykaf?

>>74796 proton is the steam addition to wine for steamos. i am unsure if you can use it without steam.

>>74805 You can use proton without steam. I used to have one set up for lutris. By the way Lutris was pretty good for managing different wine versions and fixes for games. I haven't tried it for quite a while though.

My recommendation for easy gaming on Linux: -Install the latest stable branch of your GPU drivers. Don't mess with development git builds, or other bleeding edge stuff. It's not worth the potential trouble. -Install Steam from Flatpak, make sure you enable the option that includes ProtonGE -Install Protontricks from Flatpak -Install the mangohud and gamescope Flatpaks -Install gamemoderun These last three are your gaming tools to play pretty much any game you can think of. Proton is excellent, ProtonGE supposedly has some codec support that Valve couldn't legally include in Proton. Use mangohud to verify your implementation of Vulkan is working, or any other analytical data you might want to see. Gamescope is extremely helpful if you're having trouble making a game go fullscreen, or if you're having trouble changing resolutions down from native. It can upscale games, set framerate (mangohud can do this too), set dimensions, pretty much anything related to that. Read the documentation. Gamemoderun temporarily changes your OS / CPU settings to better enhance performance of your games. It's worth trying if you're not getting good performance. Codecs One of the things that can potentially ruin your experience in Wine gaming is missing codec support. It mainly happens in older games, and it doesn't happen that much. But if it does, you can use Protontricks to fix it in most cases. For example, Fallout 3's radio doesn't work on Proton/ProtonGE because it's missing ogg support or something like that. I actually fixed this by opening Protontricks, selecting fallout 3, then adding lavfilters from the dll list. Problem solved You can also download K Lite codec pack then install it through your Wine prefix. I recommend this for VNs, which brings me to my next suggestion Wine Bottles What if you don't want to go through Steam's bloated OS for some games? I've been using Bottles lately and it's pretty plug n play for a lot of old titles -Install Bottles from Flatpak -Install Flatseal -Install WineHQ stable branch from their website I would recommend allowing the Bottles Flatpak to access your home directory. I've had problems running installations in their gaming setup for some reason. I've found it easier to just install games through my system's default Wine prefix then pointing Bottles to the exe. For most games I just create a "gaming bottle" (Bottles' brand of Wine prefix - like proton) then set the Windows version as close to the release year of the game I'm trying to play as possible - 1 game per prefix. I rarely have to do more than that For anime VNs I always go through the K Lite codec pack install from the start, just to be safe. And that's pretty much it. You can create a desktop file entry for Bottles programs too that eliminates the use of the GUI altogether - it's just like having the game installed natively. With Proton and Bottles gaming has been pretty seamless for me so far on Linux. I think we're getting to the point where it's feasible for most people. Not easy, but feasible

>>71135 >program is made to run on operating system A >operating system X has different design, code, ideas, goals, etc. >program doesn't run on operating system X because of the above >"operating system X is like kicking dead whales down the beach because you can't run programs made for a completely different operating system A on it" like, c'mon, you really expected it to be easy? i'm not against running windows programs on other OSes, but if you REALLY care about running windows programs, then dual boot windows and stop bitching about it. or just play different games that run better on your current (non-windows) OS. or just accept that other OSes have their limitations (some of them not being their fault, like the one you presented), and you should acknowledge and work around those when using them. >you cant play a game without installing like 3 billion random software or scripts >[deus ex] requires modifications to actually run properly yeah, because, guess what? that game wasn't made to be run on linux, and "3 billion random software or scripts" (whatever that means) is the best you'll get for now. again, at that point you'll be better off just dual-booting or using qemu. i should say though, things are indeed getting better, as people have stated here already, but don't expect it to be perfect. you're, after all, dealing with a proprietary operating system that was made by completely different people, in a different time and place, with different goals. expect hacks, bugs, crashes, error messages, etc, because those people don't want you running programs made for their OS. it's similar to the nvidia issue on linux.

how do i turn this soykaf off. how is this even a thing. and its been like this for at least 2 years now. every fuarrrking glitterboyfox fork

(continued) the problem if its not obvious is that nigger.com/glitterboy is bookmarked. but i have to type nig and then press down arrow to get to it, because it pointlessly suggests the bare TLD first and its inconsistent meaning i cant just type nig<enter> without pausing and looking at the screen first or nig<downarrow><enter> because i dont know which menu will appear

(contineud) for example lainchan will not suggest the bare tld before my lain bookmark because the bare TLD is what is bookmarked so in that case if i type lain<downarrow><enter> it will not go to lainchan but instead do a duckduckgo for lainchan

>>74835 >>74838 What? is your problem just that it shows history entries? in that case just disable history under Search > Search Shortcuts : uncheck History ???

>>74835 about:config browser.urlbar.autofill = false

>>74841 and i add browser.urlbar.maxRichResults = 0 to remove the popup entirely.

>>74840 i have it set to only search bookmarks FireFurryFerralFeggetPoS has this dumbass feature where it shows the TLD as option even if you never bookmarked it even if you have history enabled and you never visited it >>74841 >>74842 thanks for the try but none of these worked what i really want is for some autistic firefox dev to so happen to be browsing this page and get scolded perhaps they will then remove the feature forever like it should be

>>74846 or you switch browsers like you should.

android is based on linux isn't it? and have a bunch of games in playstore

>>74841 >>74840 >>74842 You're never going to satisfy them, they're not here to have a technical issue fixed, they're here to complain.

Hey man, it's only difficult if you just cluelessly over-engineer it. All you need to do is: 1. Get a stable distro with correct proprietary drivers and X11-based DE like Linux Mint 2. Install Wine, the 32-bit libs and Steam in that order 3. Install your games somewhere in ~/ using base Wine (NOT Steam Proton) and then import the .exe into your Steam library with the "add a non-steam game to my library" menu option and set the correct Steam Play compatibility option in settings. Above everything you need to make sure the game actually runs on Linux, always check ProtonDB before downloading a title. This guide covers everything simply: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/5747000

>>75603 Do I need a Steam account to use the Steam application?

>>75612 yes, if you dont want to bother making a burner account i would recommend Bottles, but it's going to be a little complicated learning about Flatpak fuarrrkery for the first time. i would also recommend running the installers with stock wine, and then adding the .exe to Bottles, which you'll also have to allow to see your filesystem with Flatseal. you can also add Proton to Bottles. obviously you're not going to be able to play online Steam games without logging into Steam, Linux or not, but I think you already knew that. also you can add the Blizzard Battle.net launcher to Bottles (although admittedly it didn't work for me last time, updates can break things)

>>71159 >Need to run suspicious looking executables in a closed environment without fuarrrking up your machine? Linux got you covered. I'd like to know how Linux provides a closed environment for suspicious executables? Wine does have its prefix but the Z:/ drive in it is still able to view your root (and also that's how I am able to access my games without installing it in a prefix but instead in different drives). Virtual machines look like the only go to option but the problem with those is that I don't get GPU acceleration on QEMU and having a dual GPU laptop does not make things easier. Maybe I could use virtualbox or VMware (I don't think Void Linux allows you to install VMware)

I guess Qubes provides the ultimate in isolated environments, then going down the list, a VM, Firejail package, some sort of container?

Gaming actually is kind of soykaf on Linux, and it's not a skill issue. I've pretty much given up on it because it's too annoying getting things to work with my 4K monitor and sub par RX 5500 graphics card. I have this weird fuarrrking problem where if I play a game at anything lower than native resolution, the gamma will be turned up super bright. Don't know if it's a Wine thing, but it's happened to Arma 3 and Black Mesa for me so far. So I'm stuck playing at 4K which means I have to turn the graphics down if I don't want lag. I also had full screen problems with this game Sleeping Dogs. I HAD to play in 4K. Nothing lower would work,it would just be a mostly black screen with a little box in the upper left corner where the 1080p was supposed to be, cropping most of the game view. I spent forever trying to fix that, but couldn't. That is fuarrrking horse soykaf, I like having a 4K monitor when I'm working on soykaf, the extra screen space is nice. I shouldn't have to suffer for having a nice monitor That, along with none of the most popular online games being available for Linux, along with Steam's soykafty, bloated GUI, along with restrictive DRM measures on every game, makes gaming on Linux kind of annoying.

It is braindead levels of easy if game was made by a company that cares about multi-platform support. When game just works on Linux, there's very high correlation with the game itself being good, and the opposite is also true. There's very few games that are Windows-only and actually worth playing.

I just pirate old games,not modern multiplayer anticheat soykaf, I just use Heroic Games Launcher. I don't know if it glows or not, but its been pretty simple till now. It just sideloads stuff using wine afaik. It might be easier to just use wine directly but I'm fine with it for now.

Usually one very particular thing goes wrong that the user doesn't know how to diagnose, and even if they find out what the issue is, they think it's so trivial that it shouldn't have happened. (Problems with software tend to be one trivial little thing though, its just how it is) Example: People probably often try to launch a game in steam from a secondary disk or partition that is NTFS which usually doesn't work in my experience, this isn't made obvious to the user (Steam's bad at making problems obvious), all you have to do is solve it. If you think about it, having read/write on Microsoft's proprietary filesystem is impressive and maybe not destined to work perfectly. If you have a problem, all you have to do is solve it and there's a very limited amount of problems, they're always very trivial small things. The experience is incredibly streamlined these days. Stop being so weird and babyish about trivial problems. Problems will waste a chunk of your time but if you learn to be patient the problems happen less and just go away, especially if you don't have to touch anything. I think people don't realise that about modern software -- if you get to a point where everything you want is set-up and you don't have to touch anything for some time, then everything will keep on working and you're fine once you get over a hurdle or two. Why can't ppl just learn patience.

>>76699 Agreed. People need to learn to be able to do their own research instead of posting soykaf that are just unhelpful questions. I've seen too much of people asking "<x> isn't working, plz help" without providing any system details, steps to reproduce, or error logs. It'll only get worse as kids that were handheld their entire lives by apple and microsoft try to use linux and realize they actually need to read error messages and logically debug a system.

Dedicated Windows rig (or a console) is unironically best for both ease of use and privacy. Dual booting can also work in a pinch, desu ne. Like >>72312 and >>72334 said. Everything just werks while not messing up your precious Hannah Montana Linux with spyware crap like Steam and the game executables ("ahh I can't stop phoooning home") Pirate everything that's not DRM free. Fauark always online DRM and overreaching data harvesting. Pirate everything that's not Linux native. Ask for native versions. This is why Linux gaming is like kicking dead whales down the beach, it's ultimately consumers' fault because they're degenerates who keep buying Windows games without demanding solid Linux native executables. Gamers enable publishers to ignore Linux, same as we enable global warming (big if true) and mass surveillance. On Windows install a firewall like simplewall and set it to block everything by default to prevent your single player games from spying, or turn off Internet altogether. >>78759 >google is le bad because stallperson said so I'm sure at the point where you're about to load up gigabytes of proprietary abusive software, even Stallman-sama wouldn't object to opening a site in your FOSS web browser and doing a search. Not like he can stop you either. Yes, you're right, those torturing themselves by frankensteining Windows software onto Linux should be allowed to ask questions, but ideally there'd be a StackOverflow style forum or wiki where all the quirks get documented for each game (https://www.protondb.com/). In a better world, people would actually use all that archived experience as well. For full retards who need an app store one click install, absolutely have some corp make it for them, nothing too bad about that.

>>71135 occasional gaming on indie titles works without a hitch; at least on my system. Lutris helped a lot, but of course you already know that. If I was still a hardcore gamer I'd be fuarrrked. You truly need a vm or dual boot for that.

>>71142 Factorio works OOTB from GOG for me with zero configuration. That's most recent non-free game I've bought.

Just dropping in to say that Elden Ring stopped working for me and I'm pissed. We had a big power outage here the other day, so naturally I plugged in my computer and my fridge to our generator so I could play games while the power was out. I started a new game on Elden Ring, my legal legit copy, but I used the Goldberg Emulator to play it without Steam. My experience playing a second time was SO much better, I was actually pretty stuck with my main profile. I played for like 6 hours straight and basically caught up with my profile that was at 60 hours. Then, once the power came back on, I decided to update my Elden Ring install through Steam because I wanted to get a mod to work (Seamless Co-op). Well, that turned out to be the biggest mistake of my gaming life. First I lost my save, and I had to use a save manager to make the "new" Elden Ring pick up my old save. I think the Goldberg emulator considered post-Erdtree ER to be an entirely new game, so it made a new fake Steam profile for me when I first launched it. But then, the game started crashing constantly, to the point where it bricked my display manager a couple of times. I thought it was the tweaked save file, but no, even on Steam, the game consistently crashes and most times my display manager resets so I get returned to the gdm login screen. I was getting so into the game for the first time too. I don't know what the fuarrrk happened, but I get these messages in my kernel related to gfxhub and page faults coming from amdgpu. This is like kicking dead whales down the beach, I hate when things go wrong on Linux. I don't think they let you roll back updates, so either I can try to torrent my exact build, or I'm just fuarrrked until they release another patch.

It's really not but hey, everytime it's the people with the least knowledge being the loudest and being whataboutists

>>71135 Steam games? Either they work or they don't. Triple A games? They are the game genre least likely to work due to the anticheats and all kinds of bloat. Fortunately, modern triple A games are so bad that fewer people care about them. Now, as for non-steam games that are also not triple A, it's a shot in the dark. Maybe all you have to do is run them with vanilla wine, or maybe you need a third party wine build or Lutris/Bottles for higher performance or to fix some issue. Or maybe it's lacking some DLLs or other less obvious configuration, or maybe it just doesnt' work. Either way, most of my games work just fine, the most I had to troubleshoot was with Touhou because I need specifically wine-staging, lutris-wine or wine-ge for good audio resampling that isn't muffled (noticeable with the SFX audio because of their sample rate) and a wine build that comes with fshack so I don't have to suffer with stretched fullscreen on external displays.

If you dont mind sailing the seas johncena141's linux repacks on 1337x are pretty much all you need for 1-click installs on linux, all the dependencies are included and the packages are tested on really minimal distros. He even has/had a steam like client (along with rss feed for advanced users) so you can scroll through the available games in his catalog.

Almost never had any issue with any game on Steam through proton. For the odd game that need patches and mods, bottles might be more your speed.

All I want to do is play old VNs and Tohou. Why is that so hard linux glitterboys?

>>83617 These just work, retard

I haev a separate laptop running winXP to play games

>>83375 Best option for non-steam games is "add non-steam game to steam", then run with proton from there. Works >90% of the time.

>>83628 what's the point of using linux if you're still gonna let valve know everything you're doing though?

>>83628 >>83630 wine piratedGame[FiTGiRL].exe it's that simple

>>83630 At that point, there is not point. You'd just be wasting your time tinkering with a toy OS for half-measures of privacy and stability. At the end of the day, the best thing to do is to just dual-boot with two separate drives. One with your distro of choosing, the other some LTSC version of Windows 10/11/whatever. Or better yet, not playing unsupported games at all, and just enjoying the native ones that exist.

>>71135 >people need to shut the fuarrrk up about gaming being 'easy' on linux. its not.

>>83770 iirc starcraft doesn't launch in new windowses while wine just goes brrrrr. file a bug report dummy.

>>71135 He's spitting though, you guys dont know the nightmare of getting proper gpu accel on pre 2011 gpus. No pre 2011 gpu supports vulkan so proton is completely broken and the AMD drivers suck soykaf, maybe they've fixed them recently but still expect inferior performance compared to Nimez drivers on windows

>>83780 and no, gallium3d under wine is not a real solution. It has massive ram overhead and frequently runs out of vram causing even simple games like tf2 to crash/corrupt textures. Expect somewhere around 40% less performance compared to windows when using a terascale card on Linux, if the game even runs under wine or native at all since theres no proton.

>>71135 >install arch >install steam >enable proton >download game >launch game Simple as

>>83780 Buy a newer video card. Intel integrated GPUs even on soykaf CPUs like i3 can run most of the 1995-2010 games and some of the latter and if even that isn't satisfactory, you have bigger problems than buying a GPU.

s/latter/later holy fuarrrk I'm retard myself

>>71135 Proton still doesn't work properly with my niche weeb game, audio is missing, cutscenes and video files are upside down, performance wise it runs well.

>>83813 Vulkan wasnt available on intel until Ivy Bridge [2012], NO 2011 and older gpu, even ones otherwise perfectly capable of playing AAA games up to 2019 with DirectX cannot run with proton on Linux. HD 6870 and GTX 580 are heavily crippled on linux thanks to OpenGL sucking pretty damn hard and being straight up not supported on a lot of games even though these cards are still very damn capable. Its not that its totally unreasonable to need a 2012 or newer card to game, its just that I can install Windows 7 on my 17 year old iMac and get better game compatibility and even performance on games that use ToGL than a 2011 HP Elitebook running Ubuntu 24.04 Everyone on windows is used to their ancient hardware playing nice with games, I got my GMA 3150 netbook to get 15-20 fps in GMOD flatgrass so it makes linux look like soykaf when my HD 2600 pro cant get more than 21 FPS in the TF2 void

Windows games under proton can often run better (or at all) than under native windows. Especially older games will often refuse to run under win10/11, even when bought from steam and with compatibility enabled. And new AAA-games are just console-ported slop anyway so even a midrange PC can run them emulated. Only problems are badly implemented anti-cheat (even EAC works under proton, but some forked versions or older versions do not) and once in a blue moon a weird library that a game needs. Had the latter with IIRC blackmagic, a drawing program on steam. All I had to do was get a windows dll and place it in the programs root folder and it ran flawless under linux

Occasional player here, I don't use steam nor do I plan to ever give money for drm-ridden software. What does proton offer over wine?

>>84253 Nothing! All the "magic" comes from glowie drm allowing your linux box to play the game since standalone executables for games on linux are nigh impossible to find and run on wine, its plain old Vulkan and maybe some kind of closed source translation layer for flat out windows only games [like wine]

>>84253 it's more a plug-and-play thing, I don't recall ever having to fuarrrk around with Wine/Winetricks/Protontricks unless I had to fix Fallout 3. It also includes some more patches which makes games run better (or run at all). There's also Proton-GE, which includes more patches and releases updates more often. However, when I tried setting up wine, I got filtered very hard. So it's just for comfort, I guess.

>>71135 >run fitgirl installer with wine >add game exe as a non-steam game within steam >force proton ez clap

>>84465 do you not have issues with the fitgirl installer window not showing up? it took a bunch of goes to install it. i think it's because of weird schizo code on their end but still annoying

>>84523 That might be some weird Steam Launcher bug or the window opening and then immediately closing. You can probably use something like Proton Tricks to manually run the exe again, etc.

> VFIO, GPU Passthrough It's relatively simple.

Agreed. It is easier now than it was 5 years ago but it is certainly NOT easy. AAA gaming is one of the two markets keeping Windows alive.

>>85372 Only thing stopping people from using VFIO is having the hardware and finding a guide that works well for them. With Proxmox its as simple as passing the PCIE device through. I did not have to do any crazy magic.

>>85355 install wine wine game.exe "this game requires .Net, install?" >yes game works

>>85355 this is quite literally the exact experience i had with mint, i just gave up on it actually while typing this you just motivated me to boot back into it and just... use emulators, wine, or play games that i can get working on linux instead of getting frustrated and giving up.

It has become easier to play games on linux especially on Steam but it still takes some effort to pirate games. If you don't know what you're doing or where to even start tinkering you're not going to get anywhere near playing games. It really isn't brain dead user friendly, but it is RTFM tier so if you're from that generation that really, really RTFM, you'll find it tedious but easy enough to get started i.e. with the kernels having baked-in open-source GPU drivers for AMD you never have to bother installing drivers.

>>71135 >>85411 If you can't do >>72185 and/or >>83628, then you sound like a retarded normalglitterboy that lacks the ability to not only diagnose very simple problems, but to properly describe them so people can help. Most Windows games (like 99% barring multiplayer soykafe that requires an anti-cheat that works on the kernel level) work via Steam's Proton and you don't even need that version of Proton to play Windows games. I say this as someone that has used Linux for the past decade: Linux gaming is fuarrrking amazing now. Sure, the average person won't switch to it just because of that, but who cares what the average person thinks? Linux can play most Windows games via Proton on parity with their native Windows versions and do it easily. I would've never though we would've been at this point in 2015. The fact that it is possible is a miracle.

>>85444 If he was trying to play Kingdom Hearts prior to the series being sold on Steam, I can see where the moaning comes from. That fuarrrking game series had a serious Japanese problem with videos not playing because of the weird format, you needed to convert them beforehand. Salute to all the gamers who played games on gnu/linux before the Nier:Automata era, you're all braver men than I.

>>85446 >If he was trying to play Kingdom Hearts prior to the series being sold on Steam, I can see where the moaning comes from. Kingdom Hearts was on the PC before the Steam collection? Other than that, yeah there might be hiccups with Proton like that but that's fixable and generally minor. I could never imagine playing games on Linux before that one dude used his lust for 2B to make a viable pipeline to translate DirectX syscalls into equivalent Vulkan instructions. I still remember the treads on /g/ about passing the GPU through the hypervisor to game on a Windows virtual machine. It's not super difficult, but that just seems needlessly tedious for a video game. Only emulators and older Dos/Windows games were spared from this technical convolution. Now one man's lust for robobutt made it a lot easier to play games and not use the soykafheap that is Windows 11 or MacOS (the latter of which doesn't even have games). Glory to Mankind.

>>85449 Epic had Kingdom Hearts for the longest time, you could pirate and play if you knew how to get videos working. But for the average layman nobody could jump that hoop. And by average layman I mean the usual run of normal users who couldn't get a ZSNES emulator working on a Pentium II computer running win95, much less get one running on their mobile phone, so that means most people are like OP, they just can't wrap their heads around how to do things. Hell, if I showed somebody I was running windows XP or vista/win7 on modern hardware and connected to the internet they would be freaking out because they think it's not possible + it's stupid, forgetting that routers, firewalls, and your ISP exist. Also GPU passthroughs were very neat for their time, especially if you were one of those crazy anons with dual 290/390 or nvidia SLI + Intel 6-core and above CPUs, having two OS to switch back and forth from running on bare metal instead of a dinky virtual machine was just pure bliss.

>>83630 You can just use umu launcher now. It's basically the steam stack packaged for use outside of steam https://github.com/Open-Wine-Components/umu-launcher

>>85443 >takes some effort to pirate games No it doesn't? Grab the game off of IRC/Torrent/Newsgroup and then mount the ISO + Install with Lutris. Do you need some dedicated help? Its the same as it is on Windows. >with the kernels having baked-in open-source GPU drivers for AMD you never have to bother installing drivers. Just use a "gamer distribution" if you're so challenged that you can't install whatever the proprietary slop Nvidia GPU of the month is for your 15 year old mobile GPU. >It's not super difficult It's in fact clicking 3 buttons in a hyperivsor. Stop using meme software like qemu or virt-manager and use an actual hypervisor platform like ESXi or Proxmox. >>85453 More soykaf. If people seriously need help playing games on Linux and/or doing VFIO, please provide your setups. I will help you. For free. In a non-toxic way. If you're here to just complain, I can't help you because you need to be able to help yourself.

>>71135 What the fuarrrk is soykaf?

>>85481 It's a substitute for coffee from the Shadowrun series. The extinction of coffee and replacement of same by a synthetic but distinctly inferior version that is hated by everyone who remembers the taste of real coffee being one of the ways Shadowrun wordbuilds a vision of a future of technological marvels designed to sustain a lower median quality of life and a lower baseline minimal quality of life for the world's inhabitants. Also a language enhancer.

>>85462 >No it doesn't My mistake, I wasn't referring to the act of piracy but getting them running, some games won't run out of the box from a vanilla install or a CD RIP, like Heavy Gear 2 or Captain Claw. Anyway anyone trying to run these games won't mind poking around the internals of their system to get them to run if they're already on linux.

>>84523 I've never had that issue personally, sounds annoying. Last time I installed a fitgirl game, I first tried running the installer through lutris, which didn't work, but then just tried right clicking the installer and opening with wine, which worked without issues. After the install was complete, I added the game exe to steam and set it to use proton and it worked.

>>71135 > yay steam > 1 > (password12345) > Log in > Download and play vidya Oh no how complicated...

>>85619 2023 post, before steam deck

>>85750 >It's not a very conscious thing to become inflexible about OS use. Can't be helped, that's human nature. People will subconsciously try to gather around the same kind, the same interests, and eventually try to keep strangers out as a safety mechanism. Personally I think it would be best to consider the hardware aspect first and run whatever OS was suitable for its time period.

>>85750 >Understood this as soon as I tried to play S.T.A.L.K.E.R. games on any distro, for that matter. Ironically enough, it was the absolute ease of running the STALKER games in lutris that convinced me linux gaming is way better than it used to be. Literally just plug-n-play for the base games. Modding is the same as on windows, just drag and drop soykaf. I even had anomaly and other big fancy mods running, although those took a little more effort IIRC.

I just install johncena141's torrents. They work very well to me.