Best Web Browser

What do you guys think the best web browser is for linux mint? Been using Firefox but downloaded a few others and looking to potentially switch to a better one. What do?

>>70547 Either Librewolf or Mullvad Browser.

>>70547 "better" is vague, so i will describe the four i am most familiar with. - firefox is most ubiquitous, and very customizable. - librewolf is firefox, but preconfigured for privacy. useful in the case you are not motivated to create your own privacy profile - palemoon is funny :) useful for contrarianism alone - tor is also funny :) you give up many resources for extraordinary privacy that can't be guaranteed. i apologize for my robotic speech. my family graduated. i am recovering from a week of socialization, therefore i do not wish to spend energy to mimic better charismatic speech :(

Qutebrowser if you're vimbrained, firefox/librewolf if you're a normal person. Really, unless you wanna deep dive into config files, Librewolf is the best choice. Just disable "Delete Cookies" if you prefer typing passwords once.

As much as I want luakit/qute/nyxt to be fully usable, Firefox (or a decent fork) or ungoogle-chromium with tons of makeup to hide the ugliness is probably the only way to go. I still have hope for nyxt, though (waiting for a real ad blocker).

>>70547 I use Floor Browser. Like it's sidebar.

>>70567 >ungoogle-chromium with tons of makeup to hide the ugliness is probably the only way to go as rounded-corner-filled as it is, i like arc by thebrowsercompany. its chromium based and macos only for now, but esp on my work computer, the vertical tabs in a sidebar and split screen inbuilt notes mode in the window are very nice for organising stuff. although i certainly still like firefox elsewhere.

palemoon is the best because its incredibly easy to customize pretty much everything about it through gui. ive heard about the leaks and questionable things that have happened with it; notably: >On 10 July 2019, a data breach was reported involving the Pale Moon archive server. >The archived releases of Pale Moon 27.6.2 and older were infected with malware. but that was back in 2019, and im not very worried about it happening again. its a fuarrrking web browser; its inherently insecure. use tor if you are a real skitz, otherwise, the difference between browsers is negligible so just use whatever you like

>>70547 firefox is pretty good on linux mint as linux mint takes out snap and has firefox from apt. you might want to follow a debloating guide like this one from the spyware watchdog: https://spyware.neocities.org/guides/firefox as for other browsers, ungoogled chromium is a good choice. it's chromium without any google integration or tracking. the only major drawback is that you'll have to manually install neverdecaf's chromium web store extension to be able to easily install extensions from the web store. else you'll have to manually install EVERY extension manually. personally i use waterfox because of it's crazy amount of customization and control it gives you. it's good if that's what you want but it's not updated as often and is pretty much always behind firefox with it's updates.

>>70601 but it's slow. especially on soydev websites. anything with more than like one js is going to kill goanna-based browsers.

anyone tried using floorp? How is it?

>>70547 LibreWolf by far the best

>>70547 Firefox with arkenfox js + ublock origin + NoScript (or block JS in ublock origin). I recommend that you apply individual settings via about:config and read the comments in the user.js.

Gecko: LibreWolf Chromium: Brave

tor browser is the best web browser.

I just use firefox with custom privacy settings and some plugins like noscript, decentraleyes etc. for normal log-in browsing, librewolf for basic non-login browsing, and tor if I'm doing anything where the pages work and are mainly text.

What do you think of ladybird browser ?

>>70547 Firefox pushed their CEO, one of the core creator of Firefox to quit for wrongthink. So he used all the intelectual propriety he still had the right to use to create his own browser. It is said he make money by creating a whitelist for commercials. Dunno if it is true, but just to piss in some people soup I use is. I have Palemoon as a backup. I don't belive in "best" software or anything else. To me there is only "get the job done" and "don't". Those two get the job done.

Tor Browser, overall. Gecko = Librewolf, Mullvad, TB Blink = only Ungoogled Chromium is good

>>70566 stay away from qutebrowser. i tried it for a while and found out it doesn't correctly disable settings (webgl was left enabled) and i created an issue for it, the dev promptly closed it and said i had a bad attitude for saying "that's it? no response?" if you want a decent alternative, use luakit

>>71859 I've been playing with luakit a bit, could you recommend and good resources for configuring it? I'm struggling in that department. Also is luakit 'up to date' with security bits? I don't see enough about it but i really think it might be the browser i completely move to

>>71859 this is literally not true I'm not sure what you did wrong but it works on my machine

>>71859 I just tried luakit, while I appreciate the minimalism, it doesn't work for modern web sites, such as whatsapp web, so I will stick with librewolf

Firefox good and the alt firefox browsers are just as good if not better. Using waterfox at home, librewolf on the job. It's great. >>71859 Huh. I never tested that. I really just use qutebrowser for its extremely low consumption of resources compared to any other browsers. Its my third choice at best and really just use it if im on some old PC with smth like puppy linux. >luakit huh. I'll check it out at some point if i need another browser for some reason.

how good is iceweasel on Parabola Linux compared to Librewolf and ungoogled chromium?

>>72442 AFAIK iceweasel is firefox with copylefted logo, so there seems to be little point in using it. Librewolf at least does some privacy tinkering for you. Never used ungoogled-chromium, but there's an article on spyware watchdog neocities and it says it's good in terms of privacy. Considering chromium is more performant, it might actually be a good choice. But UI imho is dogshit.

>>72390 yeah configuring it was a pain in the ass, but i've got quite a nice setup. theme.lua - https://pastebin.com/9Tez7pb9 userconf.lua - https://pastebin.com/3jnyBQrV rc.lua - https://pastebin.com/N2KMWRa0 as for security, i'm not sure how it's doing, sorry >>72425 disable webgl, open https://abrahamjuliot.github.io/creepjs/, and go to the webgl section. you'll see that even tho webgl is said to be disabled, creepjs can still access that information fine. if you tested this using librewolf, it'll show it's completely disabled.

>>72448 thank you very much sir! I didn't know I needed to use 'require' in my userconf.lua probably should have done some research into how lua works huh thanks again I'll take a proper look at these when I get some time

i currently use hardened firefox (arkenfox's user.js + very restrictive ublock) for normal browsing and lynx for doing quick web searches from the terminal. i'd love to switch to a webkitgtk-based browser like luakit and badwolf with wyebadblock[1] though. mozilla is basically controlled opposition at this point, and i haven't visited any bloated websites in a while. just don't want any webgl, webasm, webrtc, frames, js, or any other shady standard that google has come up with in my browser. being able to call other programs installed on my system from my browser would be nice too, like opening an invidious link with mpv. i know luakit has that feature. mozilla has been controlled opposition for a while now, and no one will be able to fork their way out of it. a new paradigm must be made, an entirely new idea with entirely different goals is needed. the main thing that's keeping me from switching is the amount of effort needed to set luakit up with actually good privacy and security settings. [1]: https://github.com/jun7/wyebadblock

>>72483 >amount of effort needed to set luakit up with actually good privacy and security setting very much so, yeah. it's a shame those settings aren't documented properly. the other thing is there is no uMatrix equivalent for LuaKit, which is a must-have for the bloated net nowadays

>>70547 i'm trying out elinks, it's pretty great desu

>>72487 umatrix is unmaintained, and ublock already has much of umatrix's functionality, albeit not as granular. if i can block JS, third-party fonts, and block requests from specific websites, i'm good. also, i'd prefer to avoid opening bloated websites altogether, and use light-weight front-ends if absolutely needed, instead of trying to find a compromise that works for every website on earth.

>>72490 uMatrix, while being unmaintained does not require new soykaf every 2 seconds. fuarrrkoff with that updooter mentality uMatrix is wayy above uBlock, but combined together almost nothing will slip past you (uBo for ads, uMa for everything else)

>>72483 update on my luakit journey: got this simple setup going on. i have other things set, but privacy-wise, these are must-have options AFAIK: https://ghostbin.lain.la/paste/3wc3s/raw i also compiled and set up wyebadblock. tested with eff's cover your tracks, and it seems to be working fine. i don't plan on opening bloated websites with it, will switch to tor browser or firefox for that. >>72497 >uMatrix, while being unmaintained does not require new soykaf every 2 seconds. what are you talking about? >fuarrrkoff with that updooter mentality oh no, not the meaningless insults from (1+3)chan! >uBo for ads, uMa for everything else ublock can pretty much do everything umatrix can. and to be honest, you don't need the granularity that umatrix provides most of the time. you can block individual domains on a per-domain basis, you can disable 3rd party scripts and frames, etc etc. if you still have to find silly compromises (block specific things from some domain, like only frames and css, or only images) to use a certain website without wrecking your privacy entirely, it's not worth your time. find an alternative (or don't), or use the tor browser.

>>72498 thanks for the new config options lad, gonna add them to my config

>>70547 chromium-based: brave (good for normal people as it auto updates and has a built-in adblocker) ungoogled chromium if u want a vanilla experience without google's bloat or integration. thorium is stock chromium with some visual tweaks and massive compiler optimizations. should look up your cpu and see what instructions it supports to get the best supported version. firefox-based: firefox (requires tweaking user.js to remove telemetry and other annoyances entirely but since it's what other browsers are based off of it WILL be ahead of say, librewolf in terms of updates) waterfox (firefox with a soykaf ton of customization options and with telementry and other crap disabled from the get go) other: pale moon (really cool but goanna is too slow of an engine for the modern web's soydev sites) terminal browsers are good if you only care about the text in html.

>>72483 >>72498 just so you know, LuaKit doesn't actually use your configured user-agent on the first request, see https://github.com/luakit/luakit/issues/886 only after you've reloaded the page, will it send your user-agent. but not after it has sent the default webkit one

>>72506 huh, that's interesting. either way, using a "common" user-agent that's not actually your real user-agent doesn't do much to protect you against fingerprinting: https://abrahamjuliot.github.io/creepjs (requires JS) there are other ways to tell what browser and operating system you're running, which go beyond what the browser can do. besides, luakit doesn't seem to randomize <canvas> data, nor do letterboxing (hide your true screen resolution, using a random one instead), which can both be used to fingerprint you. firefox and the tor browser can both do that. granted, disabling javascript defeats both methods AFAIK, and you can disable javascript by default on luakit. for more information: https://browserleaks.com/

>>72503 >brave >has a built in adblocker Only useful if you don't know how to use the chrome webstore or firefox extensions (if this is an issue then you should have your grandkids set up your browser for you) https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/brave >waterfox >telementry and other crap disabled from the get go Not true by default https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/waterfox_classic https://codeberg.org/shadow/SpywareWatchdog/issues/117

>>72448 is it safe to use tor in luakit? i mean, sure, more anonymity + the nice things from luakit, but the devs don't recommend that https://support.torproject.org/tbb/tbb-9/ i'm fine with my luakit setup, but wouldn't using it through tor make me unique? most people using tor are using the tor browser bundle...

>>72515 I think most of the deanonymization will be cancelled if you disable JS and make sure your user agent is consistent with TBB

>>72515 depends, once you've hardened LuaKit (no JS, no WebGL, spoofed user agent and no IPv6 leaks) it's quite a secure browser. i am currently deep diving into LuaKit, aswell as writing some extensions (currently working on a Redirector one). I would say, yes. BUT that does not mean it's 100% secure. It's still very fingerprintable, as there are barely any luakit users, with js and webgl disabled, and a spoofed user agent. So be warned.

>>72518 >I think most of the deanonymization will be cancelled if you disable JS and make sure your user agent is consistent with TBB changing your user-agent doesn't do anything. websites can still know that you're actually using a webkit-based browser, instead of a gecko-based one. check the creepjs website that was posted in this thread to see it for yourself. well, don't quote me on this, but it might work fine if you disable JS completely, because most deanon techniques need JS. so maybe i'm wrong on that, actually. >>72518 how do you prevent ipv6 leaks on luakit? can't find anything in the docs... >as there are barely any luakit users there's anything in the user-agent that says what browser you're using, but it does say what engine. so, as far as the website knows, you could be either a surf, safari, or qutebrowser user. >i am currently deep diving into LuaKit, aswell as writing some extensions that's amazing! i'm trying to find a way for it to open the suitable program based on the MIME type. like, if it's an image/*, use my image viewer; if it's a video/*, use my video player, etc. unfortunately, the API documentation is very lacking.

>>72534 >changing your user-agent doesn't do anything If you've disabled JavaScript, the navigator object is not available, so that makes it much harder to fingerprint you using regular means. spoofing your user agent then would improve the anti fingerprinting. >how do you prevent ipv6 leaks on luakit? i disabled them using sysctl: sysctl net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1 sysctl net.ipv6.conf.default.disable_ipv6=1 >there's nothing in the user-agent that says what browser you're using true >that's amazing! i'm trying to find a way for it to open the suitable program based on the MIME type. like, if it's an image/*, use my image viewer; if it's a video/*, use my video player, etc. unfortunately, the API documentation is very lacking. oh yeah the docs are pretty garbage, hence why i look at the code more often.

So a funky thing I found, is that you can keep the search history, but never write it to the disk: local history = require "history" history.db_path = ":memory:" history.init() For some reason, some sites now load much faster than before,

I've started a megathread for security/privacy/fingerprinting related stuff on LuaKit's github, incase anybody is interested: https://github.com/luakit/luakit/issues/1061

>>71501 The problem with librewolf is now after version 105 it requires elogind, there are no 'modern' browsers that do not require some bit of systemd (I don't want to go to chromium soykaf either).

>Been using Firefox but downloaded a few others and looking to potentially switch to a better one. there is no better one the web is run by a cartel and there are only 2 browser engines that can open more than 1% of websites which every "alternatlive" browser is based on you also cant use links / lynx / w3c anywhere if you use tor because once you're on a "bad" IP, you have to emulate the big cartel browsers or else you're blocked

or else you're blocked [by cloudflare]

>>72834 Blocked how? With a captcha? If your'e at the point you don't want to use a graphical browser you probably don't care about all the big ad-centric websites anyway.

>>72845 You can get blocked by Cloudflare. They give you endless amount of captchas. This often happens to tor users.

>>72845 there are *tons* of random blogs and websites that are behind cloudfare and can be difficult and frustrating to access from Tor, especially if you have JS restricted. or are on a non graphic browser. Try it for a week and see.

>>72870 If they're personal websites maybe email them and educate them on how they're contributing to the problem.

>>72503 >terminal browsers are good if you only care about the text in html. I always used to believe lynx is like kicking dead whales down the beach, and was mostly used by tools who treat Linux like a fashion accessory. However I found an unexpected use case for it My laptop was on 10% battery but I needed to read some doc online. I realizied lynx would probably take up way less power than Firefox, and of course yeah it did. So if you're in a pinch with power, having Lynx can be handy for accessing web resources. Without a practical reason like this though, you're probably just a tool.

>>73471 I also like them just as a pleasant and easy way to read documentation. Open lynx or w3m up in a w3m session on some machine you're trying to fix, no need to switch back and forth between something huge like firefox. Graphic sites also don't like to be compressed into a small window, text browsers are fine and less distracting, if you're prone to distraction.

>>73539 Me like emacs browser eww. Text. basic html markup support. Images. Need nothing else for basiv stuff

>>70552 I wish everyone spoke like a robot. Then I wouldn't have to waste so much time trying to figure out what they mean.

tor browser just stop using sites with heavy JS/cloudflare and you'll have a similar experience to regular firefox with all the benefits that come with the tor bundle

>>70547 Firefox ESR In my experience, vanilla firefox has a 0.1 chance to break a feature on some site I use with every update. ESR doesn't receive regular non-security updates, and that has made it a significantly more consistent application for me.

Usually I hit ctrl+f and then type the word 'based' into a thread if I want to find out the answer without reading it, but in this case all I'm finding is "Chromium based" or "Firefox based" LOL! I use Firefox, but if I was a criminal or had a networth over $100,000,000 I'd probably use Mullvad Browser. Librewolf is just Firefox minus telemetry, I believe.

>>73633 And Mullvad Browser is Tor Browser minus Tor, and Tor Browser is Firefox.

I used to really like K-Melon.

>>71498 I've tried out Floorp, and, while I don't hate it, I'm certainly not a huge fan of it. I feel like it's trying to be the Vivaldi of Firefox based browsers, but with fewer built in features. Uses up a soykaf ton of memory. I'm someone who normally has a lot of browser extensions, so the fact that it was using more memory out of the box than my fully configured Firefox immediately put me off. Customizing with it is pretty easy and decent, but I don't feel that there's enough that can't be easily achieved in normal Firefox. I really just found the whole thing pretty underwhelming, but hopefully it'll improve over the next few years. I'd say if you like customizing your browser, try it out, but if you don't really care for any of their new soykaf, then there's really no point in using it.

>>70566 >Qutebrowser if you're vimbrained Only now I learn about this?!? holy sh-t cheers!

Posting this from elinks. Works pretty well. much better than lynx or w3m

Firefox is the best one we have.