Let's Create a Webring! pt11

This is part 11 of the webring thread, still going! Last thread was lost after the soyjack raid so here's part 9: >>63471 How do I join? Post: * a link to your website * a 240x60 banner of your website (Optional): * Post a link to your RSS feed on your site. Communicate with other Lains by responding to articles on their RSS feeds with responses on your RSS feed. If you're both subscribed to each others feeds, you'll see each others responses and can long-form communicate back and forth in a decentralized way.

>>70360 Lainchan boards got restored from backups after a flood of spam, and some threads weren't in the backups. You can read about it at the top of the page.

Archive of part 10 just before the disaster: https://web.archive.org/web/20230608152941/https://lainchan.org/%CE%A9/res/68824.html

https://eigenvoid.neocities.org My personal website. It ain't much but it's honest work.

>>70375 >eigenvoid duude i already knew your page from surfing around neocities and i gotta tell, it's one of my favorite personal pages. it's not just the design, but i have a similar mentality/morals/fears to the ones reflected on your blog. I was actually considering sending you a mail telling you this, but i'm glad to stumble upon the author of eigenvoid over here :D

>>70376 I'm glad you like it!

>>70375 Added to my copy of the webring. https://sizeof.cat/post/lainring/

https://jahanrashidi.com/ my site. I still have a bit unfinished on it, but eh

>>70358 bass2nick.com Personal site with a booru, imageboard, filehost, XMPP server, and articles on the main site. Is it expected to make a webring page by scouring other lists, downloading all the banners to your site, and updating banners/sites by watching these threads? I'm unsure of how it's properly done and this system seems like it would result in lists that are mostly outdated. >>70413 An online dream journal is an interesting idea. I tend to have trouble remembering mine, and when I do it can be difficult to describe them without being extremely verbose. It seems to be much easier to recall old dreams while dreaming.

I would like to thank the webmasters who have added bass2nick.com to their webring pages. Bonus thanks to Artic from The Arcade and sizeof(cat) for maintaining good webring pages. I used your pages as a starting point and put together https://bass2nick.com/webring.html which is perhaps one of the more complete lists right now. Still need to populate tor and i2p; maybe I'll see about serving onion and eepsites.

>>70413 the homepage has a tasteful amount of schizophrenia

>>70358 I want to join the ring but I am struggling to come up with banner ideas. I am not a graphic designer and my website has nothing that resembles branding. >How do I make a banner? Also what is the best way to keep the index and link to the current webring thread up to date?

>>70495 I think >>70392 is the most updated version?

made a daily unique visitor counter, if anyone wants to implement one in their site but doesn't know how to, https://github.com/ArticExploit/unique-visitor-counter >>70450 Happy to be of service!

>>70450 A delayed YW since I just got around to adding it...

>>70443 i got the idea from https://halogenstars.neocities.org/dreamjournal >>70488 thank you

>>70358 The "How do I make a banner" question creeps up a lot and maybe it should be its own thread. Each person a part of this webring has a different way of doing it from a technical POV. To speak personally. My logo was done in the free software known as "GIMP". pick a font, type some stuff, add another layer for the background, and smash as many combination filters in the 'render' category of GIMP until you get something cool. With the age of GPT low-res background art is probably easier now. I did animate my logo using OpenShot and FFmpeg (very multi-platform). But at 3MB I felt it was way too heavy to use on a webring. From a creative POV. You put your artist hat on and try to determine in 240x60 pixels what the 'feel' of your website is going to be. If you are not a creative person then just fonts and primary website colors are more than enough! If you are going for a particular aesthetic, there are a ton of tutorials on how to use paint software to make things like CRT scan lines, static, distortion, etc. Best to you on finding your style. - S

>>70495 Here are some ideas: >plain 2 color banner where the only text is the name of your site. then just replace it later if you make a nicer one I noticed multiple versions of some banners when I was making my webring page and I tried to select what looked like the "newest" one to me. >pixel art that you like, can be self made (pixel art can be easy) or ripped from something. examples: a character from metal slug, something on nightt's retro art, an image you like with a pixel art filter slapped on it >imitation of a certain button or font from a piece of software you like >part of a photograph with your logo slapped on top if you want, you can use a photo I've taken and I'll edit a banner for you if you don't know how to do so. Just preferably not posts 61 or 68 on my imagehost since I use those all over my own branding. My own logo was made by taking pictures of a fossil I have and a moving a light strip around it. I did bulk edits in darktable and all the final work and animation in krita. I wish I could have a smoother look with 3x the frames, but I didn't think the resulting filesize would be respectful. As for keeping up to date, I've seen a couple attempts such as >>70497 pointed out, and https://github.com/gattsuchan/lainchan-webring/blob/main/webring.html which is more outdated but with some recent pull requests. Ultimately I decided to write up the page myself in a spreadsheet and find-and-replace my way to victory. I also wrote a fancy script to tell if the sites were dead/under constr- lolno I visited every site manually and updated the page by hand. >>70577 Hey S-Config, I actually stumbled across your site on tor before I knew it was in the lainring. Do you have any suggestions or warnings for someone considering offering their site through tor? I was thinking of writing a redirect that prevents tor users from going onto pages that require JS. Also, I feel like I'd have to rewrite any media sources using absolute paths to prevent accidental loading from the clearnet domain, but I'm not certain. It might also be nice to override image size styling to make them smaller, but I'm not certain how to do this such that the images loaded are small but they retain links to the original.

>>70583 Hey Nick, To answer your questions about Tor. Mileage may vary on this advice as I'm using WordPress. I did have to sit down and re-write the hooks of WP-core to check against $_SERVER["HTTP_HOST"] making sure the client is coming in from the right address from nginx. If you are building your HTML static you don't have to worry about this. I also had to set nginx to deny access to anything backend related like the admin panels to keep the script kiddies at bay. was getting annoying seeing hundreds of attempts a day. As for image content, CSS font-family styling, etc. Yeah, I had to absolute path everything. Super annoying the first time you do it. Had to also tell WordPress to suppress the website address so it would go to /image/image.jpg instead of http://website/image/image.jpg Javascript on Tor is not really a life/death thing back when I used javascript because all browsers honored <noscript> as a fallback. If you code your own JavaScript you shouldn't have a problem doing relative linking just like the images. I didn't code my own JavaScript and relied on code from commercial plugins that to be blunt was lazy. As for general advice with Tor. It's almost the same as running clear-net web. watch out for anything that allows users to upload. like guestbooks. etc. If you do something like that, make sure it doesn't publish immediately and goes into a moderation queue for you to approve. Treat Tor like it's the 1990s internet when Google doesn't exist. You got to get the word out that "you exist". If you ask people that host links to nicely to add your site. They probably will. Be patient. Might take a week or two before they do anything. If your server up-time is good eventually other tor sites will catch on and share the link around. Because Tor is still a small community you stand a fighting chance of someone finding your site versus the clear-net search engine hell. For images, I didn't take the smaller/thumbnail path and instead went for optimization. Making alts for webp and avif (jxl is still hosted despite the browser industry crushing the standard). Might be problematic if I revise my site for 4k. But have not crossed that bridge yet. Not sure if it helps. Hope it wasn't too spammy. But best of luck to you getting onto Tor. - S

>>70497 >>70583 I ended up creating a simple banner. I created and intend to maintain a git repo with a json file. I manage my entire site through git because it's so much easier to push a commit and let my site pull changes with a cron job. My site data follows. The ports for tor and i2p are significant so please don't truncate them. url = https://0x19.org img = 0x19.png title = 0x19.org feed = https://0x19.org/posts/feed.php tor = http://ilsstfnqt4vpykd2bqc7ntxf2tqupqzi6d5zmk767qtingw2vp2hawyd.onion:8080 i2p = http://xzh77mcyknkkghfqpwgzosukbshxq3nwwe2cg3dtla7oqoaqknia.b32.i2p:9090 My lainring is at https://0x19.org/lainring I have a few posts about mirroring existing sites to tor and i2p. Feel free to ask if you need help.

>>70678 Welcome to the Lainring, my copy is updated now.

>>70678 >let my site pull changes with a cron job Why not push to your website itself? You can automate building and syncing HTML to a public page rather easily. It's how I do it for mine Lain doesn't know about it yet. Soon(tm).

>>70680 I am somewhat concerned about the possibility of my vps getting nuked on the same day my hard drive dies. Some other guy's git host is just another machine that has the potential to get nuked but it helps me sleep better knowing that at least 3 most recent copies of my site exist somewhere. Of course I could self host git on a different vps provider with a different domain name but I have not done this yet. I wouldn't lose anything because no one aside from the occasional spam bots seem to interact with any of my repos.

Hello, don't know if anyone will see this but i was wondering if I could join this? my site: https://theminuteman.neocities.org/

>>70717 added to my copy. can't wait to see what your site becomes

>>70720 and your site is? so I can add it to my webring.

>>70721 It's this site: >>70413

>>70722 It's now been added.

>>70717 >>70413 Added to my copy, also be aware that cosmica's copy is a bit outdated. https://sizeof.cat/post/lainring/

>>70717 Added to mine as well, but you might wanna re-make it 60 pixels tall (as opposed to 48px) so it matches the rest of the banners everyone else made.

>>70717 The title was adjusted to pixel standards and inserted into my webring. Welcome Aboard! - S

I like web rings, but it seems like your sites are 90% aesthetic and 10% content. I would rather link your substack blog if it has cool articles on it.

>>70358 >>70375 really cool looking page, maybe make each shape on the top act as a specific section of the page also, i gotta ask, how freaking old are you?? The tech section says you got your first phone ever 2 years ago.

>>70586 Thanks S. I'll keep note of this once I'm ready to get on tor. I see that 0x19 has some information about it as well (I have added all three of your addresses to my ring btw). I'm gradually taking measures to secure the clearnet site, such as recently writing a script to throw all of my configuration files and site data into an encrypted tar.gz, which I then keep copies of. There are quite a few ctf articles on Lux in Tenebris and I was considering attacking my own site to see if it has vulnerabilities. A bunch of bots have certainly tried. >>70728 It's kinda sloppy but I put a <img width="240" height="60" src=... onto banners that don't match the size. >>70731 Some sites seem to treat the aesthetic as the content. I'm considering pushing sites with good insight on them higher up the list, but currently I've settled for alphabetical order because it seemed "fair enough." We have a mix of experienced and fresh people on the webring and being in the latter category, a decent portion of the effort has been in just getting the site and services up and making it look alright while being compatible with desktop and mobile. I have some items I could put on my site, but something I am running into is deciding whether I'm okay with having certain things up there. I've been telling people I know in meatspace about my site and although I totally could put up a bunch of demos about my experience learning death metal vocals, or put up some of the longer fiction I've written, there are some considerations. Unrelated: I have an rss feed at https://bass2nick.com/rss.xml

>>70752 >I totally could put up a bunch of demos about my experience learning death metal vocals, or put up some of the longer fiction I've written Honestly I think you should. There was another poster in the last (now purged) thread where he was flaming everyone for basically creating personal websites for the sake of making a website and failing to put anything interesting on it, and as much of an asshole as he was I think he had a bit of a point. I know technically a website doesn't "need" anything but websites with actual stuff on them are infinitely more interesting than sites without. (not including the requisite blog section with like two articles.)

>>70752 Addendum: That's less of a problem on your site since you seem to have actually already put a lot of stuff on it (and it's pretty good!) but yeah I'd still recommend adding the demos and longer fiction. No such thing as too much, you know?

>>70734 >maybe make each shape on the top act as a specific section of the page That used to be the case but people told me that it was difficult to navigate (i.e. remember which shape led to which thing) and I figured that they were right. >how freaking old are you?? The tech section says you got your first phone ever 2 years ago. 20. I have very strict parents.

>>70717 added. >>70728 I use a css class for the images to force 60x48. I like the idea of svg banners and am thinking forward. >>70731 peep my site. 0% design 100% content. I found it useful to write a post about the intention of my website so that I can always refer back to it's original purpose. >Purpose: >My goal for this site is to use it as a dumping ground for my ideas. I also intend to publish other articles on the things I am doing at the time. >Intentions: >This site will always be compatible >This site will always be JavaScript free >This site will always be minimally styled >Aspirations: >get paid Of course, I have broken some of these intentions but I decided that building and hosting webshit toys does not really interfere with the main website. >>70752 Most of my information is OpenBSD specific because I use my website as a place to document my projects. Tor is fairly easy to add but i2p will significantly increase the amount of bandwidth your server uses. I would recommend securing the clearnet site first either way. I see that you are running multiple services. This isn't an issue normally but you have to be vigilant. Anywhere a client can input text is something you have to think about. This includes GET and POST requests and anything you parse logs with, not just form elements. Path traversal and injections are easy to detect and easy to prevent. The standard advice applies: use key based ssh authentication and disable password auth and maybe pam, don't install a webshell that allows you to get into the system without ssh keys, use a firewall, read your logs and mail occasionally, do backups if you consider your server "non-disposable", use daemon users (instead of fuarrrking root or a standard login user) for services that you want to reverse proxy to, etc. You can do lots of easy things to thwart drive-by skiddie spam. For your meatspace issue, only share as much as you feel comfortable with. You can't really unpublish things from the internet so think about if you want these things permanently attached to this identity. Even if present you is okay with it future you might not be okay with it. >>70763 >how freaking old are you?? The tech section says you got your first phone ever 2 years ago. a better response is >old enough to know better don't give them anything they don't need to know.

>>70773 Knowing my age doesn't really narrow it down for anyone trying to uncover my identity.

Updated my copy at https://321cosmica.neocities.org/en/webring/ But had to use some thumbnails instead of the full-res banners because that's that archive.org saved after the flood. If anyone's copy of the webring has the updated full-res banners and animated gifs, I could use the heads up to update mine.

>>70912 sizeofcat keeps a copy here https://sizeof.cat/post/lainring/ banner images i found here https://sizeof.cat/post/lainring/files/banner-img.zip

>>70912 >>70913 I keep a copy too https://articexploit.xyz/ring/ and here you can download the files https://articexploit.xyz/ring/zip/dl.php

i spend a lot of time trying to think of something interesting to write up a blog post about but 99% of the time i just save the draft halfway through and never come back to it. i think the only things i have extensive knowledge about are computers and video games but i dont want that to be the only thing on my site yknow

>>70921 I sometimes worry that my blog is cringe and boring, and then I encounter yet another blog that's just some idiot rambling about how their day went like a long-form social media post. The drafts you're abandoning are probably far more insightful and interesting than most blog posts.

>>70922 maybe youre right. another reason they end up drafts is because i have a hard time collecting all my thoughts into something that's structured and easy to read. ill just keep chipping away at them and eventually something decent will come out.

>>70921 Totally normal process of writing. Sometimes the thought isn't complete until another event comes by in life. Got 13 pending myself. >>70922 About the whole cringe and boring thing. Bloggers that write about their day are valid. Perhaps it depends on the day that they're having that determines the level of interest to the reader. In a way, I appreciate bloggers like that because they don't care who they're talking to. In some cases, they're just doing it for themselves. The reader is simply along for the ride. The worst bloggers (to me) are the commercial bloggers. You tend to see them showing up on mall or airport kiosks pushing their utterly vapid agenda. As if somehow flying first class is 'roughing it'. Or what type of luggage matters which at the end of the day everything is destroyed in baggage. I believe those people have been replaced with GPT by now. At least I hope so.

>>70921 I want to hear about your life and not about something you're selling, so start publishing!

>>70358 Where's thread pt. 10? =(

>>70971 here https://web.archive.org/web/20230608152941/https://lainchan.org/%CE%A9/res/68824.html

>>70370 "disaster"? what happened?

>>70990 spam from a certain unmentionable place involving unacceptable imagery. see blotter

What hosting do you use? I use Nearly Free Speech myself.

>>71025 Guessing this is a general question. For me, it's a reseller for Vultr for my VPS. Clear-Net DNS via ENOM/TuCows. RapidSSL wildcard cert. Little pricey. But 8+ years going no problems.

https://layer.alwaysdata.net

>>71025 I prefer vps over shared hosting. It's more expensive and more work but it is more free in the sense that I can run whatever services I want to run and gain the ability to entirely avoid cpanel. I use vultr because they allow you to upload isos. Anything that runs on kvm should run on vultr. DNS is namecheap, I use acme.sh for ssl. So far, my accounts have not been terminated. I have been thinking about building my own vps provider or shared hosting shell server for anons, lains, and frens but I haven't got that far yet. I am currently having a difficult time when it comes to working on projects.

>>71025 I'm using a offshore hosting company, but I've had problems before with corporations trying to take my site down, so there's that. Shinjiru, PRQ, etc.

>>71025 I have a vps from vultr, although I've been looking into switching to openbsd.amsterdam I don't know how I feel about moving to a country in the 9 Eyes though

>>71025 i rent one out from capsul.org, ran by cyberia.club you may or may not be able to get one, they sent out an email a while ago saying that they're at max capacity and are preparing to install another server i like them, but be aware that their OS images are outdated

>>70375 grandiose little user. read more

>>70358 i'm pretty interested, for www.yo252yo.com, seems like a cool way to broaden my horizon! but I don't trust myself with maintaining an up to date version of the webring, is there a canonical source of truth that I could iframe maybe?

>>71058 Added to my list, the point is that the webring is decentralized, we don't have a central authority for it. If the central authority dies, we will still have the webring, in its current updated status but it's better than nothing. So no canonical source of truth, but cosmica, sizeofcat, webring autist, all update as soon as possible. Welcome to the lainring.

>>71059 Thanks, that makes sense. In the spirit of decentralization, I have added a self-hosted banner at https://www.yo252yo.com/banner.gif I did not realize how limiting Wordpress would be for any kind of iframing or cross domain stuff. But after a fierce battle I've managed to put up a reasonable looking version: https://yo252yo.wordpress.com/webring/

I've updated it all with the ones from this thread. the last one I had from the last thread was eigenvoid, think that means I'm finally up to date again

>>71072 nvm seems a bunch escaped cross referencing from other webring listings, I'll grab them tomorrow. for the off chance anyone actively wants to be on here and notices they're not. xn-neko from quite a lot of threads back, feel free to check if your soykaf is there: https://xn--z7x.xn--6frz82g/webring/ I do try to keep up with the threads and other listings but some people just escape completely

>>71073 It's ok, it's not a full time job to update and you don't have to :)

>>71058 I have added your website to my copy. There is no canonical source of truth but a few of us maintain somewhat current versions. At some point I need to write an uptime checker because a few of the links are now dead. My git repo is a version of sizeofcat's copy but I added some php and generate an opml file from the list of feeds. I'm not sure if wordpress and git play well together. See >>70678

I made a quick script to create a gif of ECB encryptions of an image (felt cyberpunky hahaha) Here are some results. Warning, it strobes fast. Inspired by >>71058

>>71082 Oh, and the awful script for anyone interested in tweaking it :) python #!/usr/bin/python3 from tempfile import TemporaryDirectory import shutil import subprocess import os import re import secrets import sys def main(): cwd = os.getcwd() filepath = os.path.join(cwd, f'photo.png') idcmd = f'identify {filepath}' res = subprocess.check_output(idcmd, shell=True, text=True) width,height = re.search('(\d+)x(\d+)', res).groups() with TemporaryDirectory() as tempdirpath: temprgba = os.path.join(tempdirpath, 'photo.rgba') convertcmd = f'convert -depth 32 {filepath} {temprgba}' os.system(convertcmd) for iteration in range(1, 100): tempenc = os.path.join(tempdirpath, f'photo{iteration}.rgba') tempout = os.path.join(tempdirpath, f'{iteration}.png') r = secrets.token_hex(16) sslcmd = f'openssl enc -aes-128-ecb -e -in {temprgba} -out {tempenc} -k {r}' os.system(sslcmd) reconvertcmd = f'convert -size {width}x{height} -depth 32 {tempenc} {tempout}' os.system(reconvertcmd) os.chdir(tempdirpath) output = os.path.join(cwd, 'out.gif') ffmpegcmd = f'ffmpeg -f image2 -framerate 15 -i %d.png {output}' os.system(ffmpegcmd) os.chdir(cwd) if __name__ == '__main__': main()

>>71082 and of course, it won't look too nice on high variation images like most real-world images.

sometimes i think about updating my website then I don't...

added some of the new sites to my site, added link to notes wiki, added note to outdated info, added rss https://mouse.services/rss.xml

Also finally got around to adding an RSS feed to my site. https://navyjoecomics.neocities.org/rss.xml

https://n1l7.neocities.org hei, this is my personal site. there is still a lot i would like to add but w/ever

>>71320 its got some great backgrounds, added to my site

>>71288 >>71316 >>71320 Added

https://angelsaremathematical.neocities.org/ I want to explore the esoteric bimbo-bratz-barbie pink aesthetic and eventually completely remade the website in hot pink glitter. I plan to post more math and personal programming projects in the future.

I don't feel ready to post my site here. I mostly copied most of Sizeof(cat)'s style and still trying to learn Hugo. Can someone explain to me the easiest way to display the webring in an Hugo post, please?

>>71348 Nevermind, I got it working.

>>71342 That's remember me a song of Coil.

>>71352 it is, in fact, a reference to Coil! “That’s one of the things about music that fascinates me most—how combinations of basic mathematical frequencies take on such extraordinary emotional power and suggest such meaning. I mean, how do—what are basically just sequences of vibrating tones at certain specific numeric values—make us all feel like they do? And not only that but why do we all, regardless of our cultural or ethnic origins, hearing a certain chord or tone, feel the more or less the same? I guess Jhonn was right: Angels ARE mathematical, after all.”

Still here, still updating, after almost two years.

>>71288 >>71316 >>71320 >>71342 updated and added.

>>71342 it's me again, sorry but i remade the banner, please use this version instead. also added all living websites from the webring that i could find to my page

Seriously couldn't think of anything better, whatever. https://andresz.xyz/

>>71381 And here's the button, forgot to add. I couldn't think of anything better but I think it looks kind of nice, minimal, maybe. Also apparently I have an rss feed. But I don't really know how it works. https://andresz.xyz/index.xml

>>71379 I have updated my copy >>71381 >>71383 added. Your https://andresz.xyz/posts/index.xml page might be what you're looking for. I'm not sure how your rss generation works either.

>>71320 >>71379 >>71383 updated my copy and added

Website havers, am I better doing the layout, the stylesheet or the contents first? I have a homepage and some articles written but everything is currently very bland ugly looking bare HTML, I want to make it look pretty, so I started making a proper stylesheet, but then I don't know if I'll want to change that when I make a decent layout, but then should I not write more stuff before trying to make it look nice? I feel like I should know way more about HTML and what the site is going to be about before making a layout but I keep thinking about doing it.

>>71534 >Website havers, am I better doing the layout, the stylesheet or the contents first? everything at the same time. improvise

>>71534 It doesn't matter, friend, content is king. I've read websites that output plain text without any CSS or JS. Just write.

>>71534 Content and aesthetics are not linked at the hip. Echoing others here. You can make content on plain-text html. using the very basics such as headers, bold, italics. From there, you can add style/CSS later. Or, at the same time! This is kind of the beauty of running your very own website. There is no corporation that is telling you what to do or even when to do it. You are not locked into the format of another overlord. You are free. Like all things art, you take inspiration from the things you've seen and experienced. Modify, and add it to your own creation.

>>71534 It doesn't really matter. I do layout first, content second, then stylesheet last. Writing generic stylesheets helps a lot. Content is what matters most.

I dunno if this is exactly the thing you guys are looking for but I lurk here and figured this thread was cool, so here's my website and my buddy who made it's website for our Team Fortress servers if that's up your alley. If not that's alright, just saw this and was like "huh, neat." https://agitationskeleton.github.io/redchanitsrcds_site/index.html https://matchaland.net/

>>70358 Hey guys, hope everyone's doing good. Haven't been here in a while. Any news to share?

>>71534 Usually, when I'm building a new site from the ground up, my process will be: >block out the basic layout in HTML using lorem ipsum for filler content >start making it look cool with CSS >start the process of building the PHP stuff I'll use to streamline content publishing and updates. Just prior to push to production, I'll also do a webapp pentest to make sure I didn't fuarrrk up anything in my PHP to make it dangerous. After initial push to prod, I now have a basic framework, and most everything else is just here-and-there piecemeal changes. I'll make CSS changes in a very "test in prod" way, while PHP changes will be tested on the dev setup before push to prod and if any PHP changes require input handling, I'll probably do a full pentest in the dev environment as well. The raw HTML itself will likely not change too too much (it's a massive undertaking usually to modify something so built-in), but if I were to do so, it's usually to implement a major new feature. I haven't done anything like this on my current site, thusfar, though. Lots of CSS changes and a few new features over time, but no real HTML mods since the very beginning. >>71551 No new sites, but I changed my site's visual style pretty radically again, added a message board and a few other things that are documented in my changelog. main URL: http://oh3curby3abfknsydatt2qc3vgxggfjxd6infybwvlbgaezjhvhzqhad.onion Probably the most reliable way to access via clearnet atm: http://oh3curby3abfknsydatt2qc3vgxggfjxd6infybwvlbgaezjhvhzqhad.onion.ly Yes, it is significantly slower, less safe, and more error prone to use some offhand tor2web gateway like this; I advise just getting tor.

If I wrote a public site to keep track of weather sites in the webring are up or down, what would be a reasonable frequency for checking the status of sites?

>>71585 Daily? It's not like somebody's life depends on the liveness of our websites :)

>>71585 Probably monthly or quarterly 2bh. I think everyone updates pretty infrequently if the RSS is anything to go by. I dont think a website should count as "down" unless the link actually 404's or the site is completely broken though.

>>71585 would be cool if it had a master list of newly published articles from all the RSS feeds, like an aggregator. also it could check for page updates. but not sure how to do that efficiently.

God y'all some broke boys, god y'all some broke boys.

Sad to see the lain that ran minugahana shut it down, the compound coming up in my anki reps made me go check if it had any updates and welp. Keep your stuff up, laintachi.

Do any lains know anything about these spam posts I've been getting on my tinyIB instance? They are quite mild as far as imageboard spam I've seen, consisting of a title that is some permutation of "I want to know about your price," a body approximating the same text in some random language, and a name and email address. I've also only seen about 3 of them over the 2 month existence of my IB.

>>71624 add fake input fields and checkbox to your site and make them invisible. ban anyone who writes something in the input field or checks the checkbox. you could also require some self-hosted CAPTCHA or require mkproof (either for all new posts or just new threads).

>>71555 Thanks, this is really helpful, I am chunking through the css tutorials on W3schools now to learn it and will try and put together some templated layout sheets tonight and insert my content into them tomorrow. >>71535 I have to do everything systematically or I get bogged down and end up going off on weird tangential tasks >>71542 I did this initially but after writing about 5 things I didn't feel excited about it anymore, I guess I wanted to see a website take shape, not a bunch of stuff in <p> and <h1> brackets that looks like a word document, like I think the content I've wrote is OK, not worse than some of the other stuff on the web ring, but it just looks like a textfile, it doesn't feel good to interact with

Hello, this is my simple blog it does not have a fixed type of content and I dont create new posts in a regular manner too. Hopefully someone will enjoy. I can feel free to add anyone from this thread my webring page? >link https://ctrl-c.club/~giggles/

>>71639 Nice technical articles, welcome to the Lainchan webring https://sizeof.cat/post/lainring/

>>71642 Thanks, I will add the banners in my webpage later. I was looking your posts and I enjoyed the BusKill thing a lot, I do this the poor way haha, I start a shellscript which query /dev/sdX if it dont exist then halt and catcha fire!.

>>71639 added. I liked the article where you played with finger. I wrote a finger server myself (hooks into inetd). With older finger servers it was possible to put ansi escape sequences in your ~/.plan so that when someone fingered your user they would get a very long ansi spinner. If you repeated something like: \\\b|\b/\b-\b the result would be an ansi spinner animation that stalls the finger program. ESR calls it the "twirling baton" animation but there are other possible animations. http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/P/plan-file.html

>>71675 Whoa, so you already proved it works! my idea on playing with finger was trying something like this, but I wanted to make finger block on read so I let some code running to generate dynamic content. Unfortunately finger check if the plan file is a regular file and I can only make it open a fifo using race condition :| I still need to add the banners, and I probably will do this at this weekend.

>>71555 Thanks again,I have the website more or less together now and a bunch of entries written but I want more detailed stuff so I'm going to try and write a few more before publishing

this is my blog, i talk about assorted things. i just posted an article on aaron scwarz. https://blog.shr4pnel.com

>>71788 and my RSS feed is available at https://blog.shr4pnel.com/rss.xml

>>70358 I don't really know what to do with this website, but i thought it would be fun to code it. Plz give ideas to this poor man. https://havinganame.neocities.org/

This is my blog, where I talk about stuff and stuff https://microbyte.neocities.org Feed is at https://microbyte.neocities.org/index.xml

>>71823 Added, you were already in my feedreader. >>71822 I don't want to "decline" people because I don't get to decide who goes in and who goes out of the webring, but I guess you need some more content and decide what to do with the website? Maybe the other members can chime in?

>>71052 What is that supposed to mean?

https://ciosyam.xyz/ i wonder if my site could join

>>71828 To be fair there's already a website for a Quake III arena community in the webring

the good thing about the web'''ring''' structured in this way is that everyone has a slightly different verison of the sites. some excluded some. some added some. its worthwhile to explore all the rings. also finally up to date again though somehow I always end up missing a bunch compared to the sizeofcat one. early weekend drinking regards

>>71835 I ended up adding the recent submissions to https://bass2nick.com/webring.html but I might decide to move certain sites to my "empty & under construction" category or make another category for sites that warrant it. I would prefer if the webring members not advertise discord or similar walled gardens on their sites, and that they not use tracking scripts. What is the point of a webring if it starts to morph back into corponet? Additionally, some sites have some serious readability issues. Please guys, don't trade basic readability for quirky formatting. Some sites in my "dead" section could potentially be security hazards, particularly for users who do not use script blockers, so I am considering removing the links and only having the banners. >>71829 Also asking this. I think what I'll do is wait a few days, then go through all the sites, and for those that do not also link my site, move it to a category which will be called "quasi-members" or something. This will be placed between the "empty" and "dead" categories, and the banner sizes will be reduced. However, sites that were part of the webring before I joined that don't link me will still be listed normally, though perhaps I will bump more recently updated sites up. Sites that excessively advertise walled garden services may be excluded outright. Does anything I suggest sound unreasonable?

>>71838 I think we can't expect people to add the webring page BEFORE asking here to be added, so giving them a week or so sounds like the sensible thing to do. Also, if you encounter websites that are in the webring and they don't have the webring page, you should post them here so we can update our copies accordingly. > I would prefer if the webring members not advertise discord or similar walled gardens on their sites, and that they not use tracking scripts. What is the point of a webring if it starts to morph back into corponet? Additionally, some sites have some serious readability issues. Please guys, don't trade basic readability for quirky formatting. Totally agree, but each owner has their own website aesthetics in mind, and as long as the trackers aren't really annoying, it's ok I guess? For me, the only requirements for a website to be added to the webring would be to have some kind of content, an about page, a homepage linking to some online friends, maybe a small links archive with stuff he or she found interesting, a picture of the family cat or something. Mainly the website to look personal and not something crafted for the clicks (and let me tell you, the webring definitely brings some traffic to your website, like >>71760 said. Don't expect thousands daily though, but those are organic visitors, real people. > Some sites in my "dead" section could potentially be security hazards, particularly for users who do not use script blockers, so I am considering removing the links and only having the banners. I have a "dead" section of my site too, and randomly clicking on it few days ago I noticed FönixFogelFuchs coming back online, so I updated the entry. I don't think we should remove websites, just mark them as dead/offline (maybe don't put anchors so people can click on them, just plain text?). > the good thing about the web'''ring''' structured in this way is that everyone has a slightly different verison of the sites. some excluded some. some added some. its worthwhile to explore all the rings. Exactly, that's the point. I think we're close to 120 sites in the webring so yes, make sure to browse around, you will find lots of gems.

I think one of the inherent strengths/weaknesses of anything decentralized like this is that you are going to have wildly different types of sites of varying quality in it, if there is no central authority deciding what the base line standard is or what the theme is actually supposed to be the community should either agree that to be in the ring you have to share the whole thing, trash and all, or that every member can display content from the ring however they like. I don't see the varying kinds of sites as an issue, rather as a strength, the variety is really nice and kind of unusual for webrings, more content is definitely better than less though, 30 minutes writing is probably more worthwhile than 60 minutes fiddling around making a complex layout.

>>71690 writing a finger server with inetd is pretty simple. I'm sure you could write one that supports CGI or some other simpler server scripting >>71788 >>71823 added. Add lainfriends pls >>71822 added and ^ write anything. It doesn't matter. Just write. >>71832 added despite the pisscord link >>71839 I wrote the code for my lainring and deployed it shortly before making a post. I do the same when I update my copy. It's not unreasonable to prefer that members "join the ring" before announcing that they have joined the ring. As far as I was concerned, the only way to become a member of lainring is by hosting a copy of the ring itself. Asking to join the ring in this specific general can't possibly be a requirement for a decentralized webring because it implies centralization. I think that even "asking to join" is somewhat of an incorrect phrase because it seems like more of an announcement of membership.

>>71844 blog.shr4pnel.com webmaster. away from computer until tomorrow, but i’ll get the webring buttons up soon

examples of websites in the webring that do not link the webring in any way (at least i didn't find anything): https://godcock.neocities.org/ i wrote the comment on his neocities profile asking why he doesn't have links despite so many people linking him and you know what? he deleted the comment also https://skumsoft.ltd/slimenet/ i really like the website though but it is like kicking dead whales down the beach that he doesn't link anyone. so many people have slimenet linked, imagine how many views the site got without giving anything in exchange there so much more of such websites in the webring sadly

>>71832 >>71823 >>71822 >>71788 Added, and I was really behind on updating my webring page, lol. The ring is getting pretty big and I might take off any buttons that lead to dead webpages. I agree with the sentiments other Lainons had ITT that anyone who wants to "join" the ring should host a copy of it, or at the very least say something like "webring page coming soon(tm)" in their introductory post.

>>71849 I think we should remove them (the websites that don't host a copy of the webring). If someone has the time and wants to make a list of them, we'll be forever in debt (if we decide to remove). Our webring doesn't have many requirements but i think hosting the webring page should be a requirement.

hey fellahs. been a frequent poster in these threads for awhile also advertised the ring around other places since i love the project. but haven't worked on a site yet! can ya believe it!? i've got some questions about hosting. i was planning on using neocities to host since that's where most of the people without their own domain are located. never used it before, nor its predecessor GeoCities. i'm used to using git for static websites. so... HOW do you make/update neocities sites, is it all manual? is there a page editor in the browser people are using to work on their sites? that wouldnt be appealing to me i'd prefer to push my code from a repo. alternatively, any free TLD's or subdomain identities i could grab and point that to a regular github/gitlab pages location? i remember .tk being cool but they were shady back in the day. they'd insert ads on the page when you weren't visiting it from the IP it was registered on. hmmm actually ill just get a .xyz domain theyre like $3. but if anyone has some thoughts/ideas, might be helpful to other people that dont wanna pay. BTW, would any of you be annoyed if I used some big corp like github pages to join the ring? would any of you not want to add me to your links on that basis? cheers

>>71900 I can't talk about Neocities because I never used it, there are plenty of cheap domain names (you should really get your own and not rely on Neocities for that). The only people I would "deny" would be because of too little site content. Feel free to use whatever you want and feel comfortable using.

>>71900 >HOW do you make/update neocities sites, is it all manual? Yes. Unless you're using a template or an external program to generate it you have to code the website from scratch. >is there a page editor in the browser people are using to work on their sites? There is but it's kinda laggy and crap and I'd recommend writing the code in an external text editor (I prefer notepad++ cause it's extremely simple but you 1337 hacker types might like that fancy pants "vim" I keep hearing about) and just ctrl c ctrl v it into the neocities editor. >that wouldnt be appealing to me i'd prefer to push my code from a repo. I don't know if you can do that *specifically* but that's because I've never tried to. >BTW, would any of you be annoyed if I used some big corp like github pages to join the ring? would any of you not want to add me to your links on that basis? Honestly most people probably don't care that much (aside from earlier people were moaning about linking to cancerware like discord, and frankly I feel the same) but the only real requirement for being a part of the webring is hosting a copy of the webring page. Basically do what >>71901 said and just use whatever feels natural to you. Also, yeah make sure your site actually has stuff on it before you post it ITT.

>>71898 the diversity of personalities has nothing to do with what i said. people can be whatever they want as long as they link the webring. i would even link these team fortress websites, but these guys just seem to want some free advertisement

>>71901 >>71902 thanks for the feedback. just did some quick research; neocities has their own CLI client for interacting with your site. seems like i'll be content just using neocities. https://neocities.org/cli

>>71904 I really second >>71901 advice about getting your own domain name since you haven't started yet. It can be a good thing to "own" your urls. Check this link out for free domains: https://free-for.life/#/?id=domains >>71903 I understand, I also understand desire for people having copies of the webring. By all means, encourage away. Just keep in mind that our key element is decentralization. You'll find many people here pretty lax about forcing people to do things on their site. Someone might come along and be like, "I will only link sites whose opinions I agree with." I'd personally disagree with that, but it is their autonomy. Same as it is our autonomy to link back to them or not. It's definitely a balance, yo. I just feel we should be more wary of sites that clearly don't fit (like an online marketer, just as an example) rather than looking to pick a fight with godcock who, yes does not have a mofo copy of the webring, what is wrong with him, but he clearly belongs / fits here.

I've noticed some of you with cool ideas for the webring so I just wanted to re-highlight an idea I've had for awhile now. If you aren't familiar with the concept of Planets / feed aggregation / live feeds: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_(software) I understand everyone has their own reader, but I think it'd be cool to have something like the following for the lainring, check these out (just as examples): - https://news.indieweb.org/en - https://tilde.team/~zinricky/agora-feed/ - https://hn-blogs.kronis.dev/all-blogs.html Just bringing this up cause I'm not big brain enough to do it myself, but I don't think it'd be a hard thing to do...

>>71895 ahhh there are advanced thingies going on I can't just copy paste the html. I'll do it manually and leave it as punishment for my neglect

>>71908 here's a small automation using bash might be useful to some #!/bin/bash # CONFIG SITE_DIRECTORY=img/webring/ # you need to leave a trailing slash # SCRIPT FILE=$(echo $1 | awk -F/ '{print $NF}') read -p "URL?: " URL echo "<a href=\"$URL\"><img src=\"$SITE_DIRECTORY$FILE\" alt=\"$URL\"/></a>" neocities upload -d $SITE_DIRECTORY "$1"

>>71900 you can use custom domain names for github/gitlab pages but it makes ssl difficult. I have used neocities before and it's just as much of a pain in the ass as any other shared static hosting provider. No easy git or even rsync support. There is a ruby command line client but it does not work as I expected it to. My honest advice is to pay for a domain name and a vps because the initial effort of assembling a web server is less than the continuous effort of fighting with cpanel or whatever your provider is using.

rss noob here, I might start writing on my blog again soon enough, I was wondering how to get an rss feed going. got any suggestions?

>>71912 Yo artic, maybe check these links out? - https://youtu.be/PTXnmMlipmo - https://createfeed.fivefilters.org/ - https://feedmaker.fly.dev/ - https://rssgizmos.com/

>>71913 much appreciated, thanks

lol /g/ tried to make a webring and it was just autistic overcomplicated nonsense: https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/95237554 wonder if anything will come out of it?

>>71915 Nope. Mmmmmaybe they'll get as far as getting the actual webring up but it'll collapse in six months either from drama or neglect. 4chan honestly really, really is like kicking dead whales down the beach at collaboration these days. It's really depressing how far that site's fallen.

>>71915 That looks weirdly messy. Is anyone here from the start of this webring? I've been here since 2021 and I think it was then the 5th if not the 6th thread already. Kinda curious how it went here

>>71930 Yeah, well, cry me a river, we have a webring, reminds me when /g/ gets something done together, and I don't mean STDs.

>>71917 >Is anyone here from the start of this webring? I have been here since late August of 2020. Almost three years :) >>71918 Ophanim joined the webring much later, the website has been the first as they made the GitHub repo for the webring. I think you can also contact Yukinu, the person who actually created the webring.

>>71938 stupid good ascii for a first try, give pablodraw a shot too since ur source said ur on vim. always had good experiences with it for very detailed pieces, once used to some of the awkward keybinding choices for common characters. not sure if it's intentional but the links on ur homepage are off-screen on my 1080p monitor, only visible in the source. might need to change fontsize based on window size if committed to no scrollbars?

>>71943 pablodraw sounds nice, will certainly look into it. also, thank you for reporting the issue. i played with css a bit and apparently lost, well soykaf happens.

I set up proper RSS now!!! https://gapandfriends.neocities.org/blog/feed.rss I'll figure out how to make separate feeds for music and art because I can't use the same system.

>>71918 thank you very much for dumb retard accommodation we need any support we can get...

~ Lainchan Webring History ~ pt1 (Unknown) pt2 (Unknown) pt3 (Unknown) pt4 (41189): Not on Wayback Machine pt5 (46277): https://web.archive.org/web/20210807142005/https://lainchan.org/%CE%A9/res/46277.html pt6 (49373): https://web.archive.org/web/20211112180958/https://lainchan.org/%CE%A9/res/49373.html pt7 (54827): https://web.archive.org/web/20220323233422/https://lainchan.org/%CE%A9/res/54827.html pt8 (58746): https://web.archive.org/web/20220910112122/https://lainchan.org/%CE%A9/res/58746.html pt9 (63471): https://web.archive.org/web/20230623171712/https://lainchan.org/%CE%A9/res/63471.html pt10 (68824): https://web.archive.org/web/20230608152941/https://lainchan.org/%CE%A9/res/68824.html pt11: You're on it, yo. In pt7 there was an interesting discussion about old thread archives that didn't really go anywhere except for the fact that yukinu.com allegedly had a blog post with those very thread archives. Unfortunately, when I used the Wayback Machine on yukinu.com I could not find it. yukinu also replied saying that they'd apparently lost some files from the original site :(

>>71959 So I was looking about something related to the webring last night. Fortunately, I still have some pages from posts that I have removed from the website a long time ago. In a removed post I made about joining the webring, I added a link to that thread. I decided to look it up on the Wayback Machine and fortunately there were a few snapshots of it. https://web.archive.org/web/20200829234856/https://lainchan.org/%CE%A9/res/29660.html

getimiskon, sizeof(cat) and I were able to scrounge up pt2 & pt3. pt2 (33813): https://web.archive.org/web/20201201190843/https://lainchan.org/%CE%A9/res/33813.html#33813 pt3 (37647): https://web.archive.org/web/20210103201846/https://lainchan.org/%CE%A9/res/37647.html Like I posted earlier pt4 is not on Wayback, but getimiskon had the bright idea of checking the archives for the board itself and you can see the first few posts from it via this archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20210401210545/https://lainchan.org/%CE%A9/

>>71938 woah such a nice website

>>71952 https://gapandfriends.neocities.org/art.rss https://gapandfriends.neocities.org/music.rss two new feeds for my other content since there's no tool around this typa stuff my little brain can manage I wrote a bash script, enjoy: #!/bin/bash # CONFIG SITE_DIRECTORY=img/art/ # you need to leave a trailing slash RSS_DIRECTORY=/ LOCAL_DIRECTORY=$HOME/Art/drawings EXTENSION=png RSS_FILE="art.rss" # SCRIPT read -p "Filename?: " NAME read -p "Comment?: " COMMENT echo "<img tabindex=1 src=\"$SITE_DIRECTORY$NAME.$EXTENSION\" alt=\"$NAME\"/><span class=\"f\"><img src=\"$SITE_DIRECTORY$NAME.$EXTENSION\" alt=\"$NAME\"/></span>" DATE=$(date +"%d/%m/%Y") echo "<p>($DATE) $COMMENT</p>" DATERSS=$(date -R) # RSS # modify to your liking RSS_ENTRY="<item> <title><![CDATA[ $NAME ]]></title> <link>https://gapandfriends.neocities.org/2023</link> <pubDate>$DATERSS</pubDate> <description><![CDATA[ <p>($DATE) $COMMENT</p> <img src=\"img/art/$NAME.$EXTENSION\" alt=\"$NAME\"/> ]]></description> </item> </item>" # no idea why the fuarrrk do i need this if [ -f "file.tmp" ]; then rm file.tmp fi echo "$RSS_ENTRY\n" >> file.tmp sed -i '/<!\[CDATA\[ da art feed \]\]><\/description>/r file.tmp' $RSS_FILE sed -i -e '/\\n/d' $RSS_FILE # this neither neocities upload -d $SITE_DIRECTORY $LOCAL_DIRECTORY/$NAME.$EXTENSION neocities upload -d $RSS_DIRECTORY $RSS_FILE

>>71959 >>71964 It's very weird that I've not been few months on this webring, but more than 2 years by now. Also it's weird to see sites being posted which are now dead or haven't been updated in long time. Still, was very fun looking at the archives.

>>71938 The glagolitic script, nice. I just visited the place where the "Anthology of Tkon" and "The Code of St.Benedict" originate from, both texts written in the glagolitic script, are you from Croatia? Nice to see someone use it, I've always wanted to incorporate it into my site somehow...

>>71972 That's very cool! No, I am not Croatian, I am a different flavor of Slav. By the way, if you really want to incorporate glagolitic into your website, it is absolutely possible to get a glagolitic domain name. Lowkey considering getting a punycode domain myself, ha-ha.

>>71989 this has been a great help as i slowly update my page. love your content, thank you for the hard work. >>71992 and your art is brilliant. thank you for sharing it:) ~shrapnelnet

>>72102 thank you very much... I try to read all of the blogs here and yours is one of my favorites everyone in general should keep posting their stuff there are more eyes on it than you could think and it's really neat

Very cool that the webring is still around and grew in size. I check the threads every now and then. From my visitor counter I can tell you that it's really worth it to join.

>>71932 the /aicg/ bunch made a webring for their ai characters tho

is there an easy way to add a visitor counter while using hugo?

present day, present time >>71917 >Is anyone here from the start of this webring? yes, I actually made the first thread back in july 2020. I check on the threads every now and then (although my copy of the webring definitely needs some updating, sorry for that anons). also still make posts on my site when i have the time and inspiration, its come a long way since the first thread >>71959 >yukinu.com allegedly had a blog post with those very thread archives. Unfortunately, when I used the Wayback Machine on yukinu.com I could not find it. yukinu also replied saying that they'd apparently lost some files from the original site :( I recovered a lot of my archive and dug through my old files, here is pt1, pt3 (has more posts than the wayback snapshot), and pt4. https://yukinu.com/lets-create-a-webring-pt1.html https://yukinu.com/lets-create-a-webring-pt3.html https://yukinu.com/lets-create-a-webring-pt4.html

>>72238 added. digging the design choices >>72118 >>72238 added, but link the webring, please

anyone know why with goatcounter it's only showing "/" under the pages section of the dashboard? in screenshots ive seen it track views to individual pages. i added the script to my hugo page template and i can see it's in there when i view the source of a random page.

Does anyone have experience using both Hugo and Zola and have an opinion on which is "better"?

>>72335 Short version: Hugo. * Bigger community. * More plugins and themes available. * More documentation and examples available. * Quite fast build and iteration times (although both are fast). * Available in many package repos (although Zola may be available in the package repo you are using, and it's a single binary). * Similar deployment model as Zola (single file, statically compiled binary). Long version: It depends on the use case. Neither is outright better or worse than the other, the choice of an SSG depends on many factors: 1. The scope of the site that you want to create. If you site has a limited scope, then you'll likely need only a few plugins. In that case, you have more flexibility in choosing an SSG, since any one of them likely has the plugins you'll need (such as a markdown to html plugin). If the scope is more broad and you plan on extending your site in the future, you may want to go with a more popular SSG (Jekyll or Hugo), since there will be more plugins and documentation available. 2. The number of plugins and themes that you want. Similar reasoning as point 1. However, if you need a lot of custom plugins that don't exist in any SSG, then you have more flexibility in choosing an SSG. 3. How comfortable you are with various programming languages. Similar reasoning as point 2. If you need a lot of custom plugins, you'll be doing a lot of programming, and so might want to pick an SSG that is written in a language that you are already familiar with. 4. How quickly you want to create a site. If you just want to build and iterate quickly, a more popular SSG might be a better choice, since you can just use a bunch of prebuilt plugins and themes for most of the heavy lifting. Granted, your site may look a bit similar to the boilerplate's examples in the given SSG in this case. Chances are that for most people Hugo will be a better choice, just given the larger community and more documentation/examples, and the fact that many sites don't need a lot of customization (and when they do, a plugin for it is usually available).

It took me some good amount of effort to build my website and I am proud of it and I am happy to be in the lainring but I haven't wrote a new post in weeks and I have no idea what to write about kek. This feels so annoying.

>>71549 Got off my lazy ass to include the lainring. I apologize for coming off as wanting free advertising. Matchaland will likely not participate in this so feel free to remove it https://redchanit.xyz/lainring.html

>>72418 welcome to the cult :)

Good morning, lainons. I don't really participate in the webring anymore, but just letting you know that the URL for the Tor hidden service for Let's Decentralize has changed. Vultr threw a hissy fit over high CPU usage from compiling some software and deleted my VPS without emailing me about it first. I lost a few backups that hadn't made it to offline storage yet. The server is on a different provider now. The new link is also on the front page of the clearnet site (https://letsdecentralize.org) if you don't believe me. http://hikariu7kodaqrmvu3c3y422r6jc7gqtpvvbry6u7ajvranukx6gszqd.onion Thank you, and have a blessed day.

Sorry for the double bump, but >>71989 https://files.catbox.moe/pi260p.xlsx Maybe a system with points can work better?

>>72482 >>72485 >>72486 OMG thank y'all, tbf i wasnt expecting my website to even get noticed lol !!! I sure will add the lainring to my website, and i hope i wont disappoint you with future updates

I want to bake a website as well, looks fun.

>>72566 >>72567 Overall it's funny how we live in a world that forces people to be open, yet it makes us being afraid to be in the open. Or maybe my wetware is broken, that's possible as well.

suggesting people remove https://tard.zone from their rings. stupid edgy bullshit

>>72738 I feel like you have an ax to grind with that person but I did remove the website from my copy of the ring; it's not like I don't appreciate swastikas as much as everybody does, but it just barely counts as content. It's the first site i've ever removed, so ... Being a decentralized webring it means that everybody is free to keep or remove it from their copies.

>>72738 And that makes it any less deserving of being on the ring?

>>72741 I just thought you should know that I like tard.zone and his windmill fanclub. Don't worry! :)

>>72738 dang this is a funny site i should check out the rest of the webring I hope it has more soykaf like this rather than the empty blogs I'm used to thank you mister tard.zone you're a top notch retard please go easy on the weed

>>72598 I went the >grind w3schools and memorize everything there is to know about front end webshit route. Lately I'm recommending https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn because MDN is a better resource. Start small. Iterate upon previous work. Build a few stupid test projects to build confidence. If you have content ideas right now, write them and hold onto them until you stand up your website. >>72602 >after you made your site, the dopamine hits really well yes and no. The inspiration comes and goes. It's not a job, it's a hobby >>72688 added. I was only slightly disappointed to read the http response headers just to discover that this webserver is running debian instead of 9. I run 9.0x19.org on 9front with werc and rc-httpd. It mostly works. I really didn't think it would have been online this long but it's somehow less work than my main site. 9front's git implementation likes to crash a lot, especially with a lot of binary files, so some of the things I previously hosted there have been moved to other sites. >>72706 updated. I like how your site loads instantly while preventing the soulcrushing feeling mine gives me. >>72738 I disagree. He has a cool page of urbex, the uncle ted library, and a gallery of windmill photographs. Requesting for anons to ostracize a guy because you don't like his website is pretty cringe bro. For my own site, not much has changed. Still no time. Still no inspiration. I've been considering going X-less for a few weeks, throwing my phone into a cone crusher, and writing about the experience but I really feel like it doesn't fit into the 0x19 goal because my intentions are the opposite of "purely technical". I don't know what it is but I have some inhibition when it comes to adding anything *too* personal to 0x19. >>71993 forgot to reply. In my experience OpenBSD isn't too slow once it's been running for a while. The random relinking seems to only affect the initial spawning of a process but decreases to linuxish speeds with subsequent runs. You should also consider enabling smt if you don't run javascript and random soykaf you download from the internet. Coherence is definitely something that I like about OpenBSD. It's a singular project with a singular goal and this removes much of the cognitive dissonance that arises when you use linux too much. My only experience with void is attempting a musl install, documentation did not exist, so I did gentoo+musl instead.

>>72738 I suggest you chop off your dingaling and balls since you obviously don't use them, you uptight dweeb

>>72738 stop acting like a user

>>72738 Just checked out this site and I love it, it's funny and has a decent aesthetic. You suck

>>72746 > added. I was only slightly disappointed to read the http response headers just to discover that this webserver is running debian instead of 9. I run 9.0x19.org on 9front with werc and rc-httpd. It mostly works. I really didn't think it would have been online this long but it's somehow less work than my main site. 9front's git implementation likes to crash a lot, especially with a lot of binary files, so some of the things I previously hosted there have been moved to other sites. 9front is awesome. Your site is awesome too. Perhaps disappointing, but maybe I can give you this statically compiled consolation prize :P Main reasons I'm running a debian install, is least of all costs(VPS for a 9front box) and most of all time to actually move things to the 9front box, figure out rc-httpd. Also if you haven't reached out, ask the bloke who maintains werc.cat-v.org to add you to the powered list. You seem like an active werc user, and I've not seen many folks use werc in the wild. You may also be interested in some of my apps for Werc: Gallery for image listings instead of dir listings: https://cgit.risingthumb.xyz/cgit/gallery.git/ Different blog tool: https://cgit.risingthumb.xyz/cgit/goralog.git/ Personal patches for dirdir making it more usable(upload file, large text, new folder/file, delete page/folder): https://cgit.risingthumb.xyz/cgit/dirdir.git/ My site also has a bible(KJV+Apocrypha) tool that's still a WIP. Need to get verse linking sorted out, but book linking and chapter linking works > but it's somehow less work than my main site. I think reliability and ease of use is the main selling point of werc. It's a pain in the ass wrapping your head around rc's lists, concatenations and other rc-isms when learning it, but once you figure it out it's wonderful to use. > updated. I like how your site loads instantly while preventing the soulcrushing feeling mine gives me. Does 9front have an fcgi implementation? I changed from cgi to fcgi a while back and saw significant speed improvements. More significant than moving from dynamically linked libs to statically linked libs by compiling plan9port myself. Sorry it's taken me a while to add the lainchan webring to my site, I'll try and get around to it this weekend- don't want to "leech" from the webring, and not give back.

https://antekgort200.github.io/

>>72745 >>72747 >>72748 >>72756 so many children here ...

>>72768 Not one of those lains, but the way I see it, everyone hosting the webring on their site can choose which sites to (in/ex)clude. If the original poster wants to bring to everyone’s attention that they disagree with content on tard zone’s website then they totally should be able to. But what they’re doing is giving argument to why others should remove tard zone from the ring as a whole. The lains you referenced are simply pointing out that, as a federated process, that there is no consensus on whether tard zone’s website is sufficiently offensive to have it removed.

>>72773 Those are just angsty edgy teenagers replies and you know it. "WINFARMZ SO CUL OMG PWN FR FR NOCAP" You seem smart. I bet you understand it.

>>72767 i love the cow, but i cant for soykaf read the links on your site. whilst it's your site to design, i do recommend making the links a color that's more contrasting against the black background regardless, added. welcome to the ring :) >>72688 also added, love to see a fellow nietzsche fan

>>72774 Oh that’s what you meant. My bad hahaha

>>72768 You're the one throwing a fit over something you don't like.

>>72756 >>72748 >>72746 >>72745 >>72743 >>72741 people can have what they want on their webrings but the webring is getting bigger and bigger. means its hard to vet the content that you keep on your page. anyway continue to call me a child. i do not take life advice nor insults from ppl who call themselves nordic tradcaths who say advocating for nazism falls under their right to freedom to speech ? if it's any consolation i promise you'll grow out of it one day because i grew out of it when i was 14 sneed suck my cock and balls losers

>>72763 >Sorry it's taken me a while to add the lainchan webring to my site, I'll try and get around to it this weekend- don't want to "leech" from the webring, and not give back. Added the webring here: https://risingthumb.xyz/WebRings/ I'll need to set up a script to cache the members json and banner images every now and then. How frequently are new people added to the webring? Just to get an idea of how often I should be caching it. Also, sizeof.cat, is the inclusion of a __MACOSX folder intended for the .zip files?

>>72874 No, it's not, but it's one of the "perks" of using macOS.

>>72844 I don't advocate for Nazism and I don't think the guy who made the site does either, he just put some edgy GIFs on the page. You seem like the kind of person who is scared of death metal.

>>72879 I think this discussion has ran its course, people can agree with nazism or not, agree with childish edgy posting or not; it's their sites, their opinions, their copy of the webring. So, any new websites for the webring?!

>>72738 this site rules. Lots of good music and loads of Ted K writings to download

>>72881 theodore kaczynski would think you were a cunt. don't pretend you're some kind of primitivist behind the computer screen.

>>72887 This kind of "you have XYZ written by such and such author in your library? You must subscribe to their ideals" is the same line of thought that leads to book burnings. A lot of people agree with Ted's works, but agreeing with his diagnosis, doesn't make automatically make you subscribe to his treatment. I agree with his diagnosis, and I want a fix, but society sure doesn't, so I fix myself, not society. Besides, you're fanning the fires. This is a webring thread. Add who you want to your own site, as that's your property, if you're such an environmentally friendly fellow stop polluting your local lainchan environment maaaaan

>>72900 Woah, I resent that. I'd burn books, but please don't lump that asshole in with us. He is way, way worse.

Back to our regularly scheduled programming: I have a question about displaying on mobile. Is there a way to structure your website so that it looks good on mobile and desktop without resorting to css based on the view window’s size? If not, what window sizes are common enough that I should target them in my css. I want my website to be nice on all screen sizes (4k and tiny) but I’d rather have it all in a single flow rather than branches. One idea I had was something like %of screen and minimal size. That way it won’t shrink down to nothing on a small screen like a mobile device. The issue there is that I have to choose a sensible floor for the size of the main content container. I, unfortunately, don’t know if I’ll choose the right numbers.

>>72905 https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn/CSS/CSS_layout/Responsive_Design This may be a good start

>>72905 honestly what works for me is zooming in until an element breaks, then targeting a media query by hovering over body in the inspector and looking at the width. the rule of thumb is don't bother targeting anything below max-width: 300px. let me know if this works, css is by far the easiest solution to this.

>>72905 >Is there a way to structure your website so that it looks good on mobile and desktop without resorting to css based on the view window’s size? The 2 things that work well here imo: <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1" /> in your HTML header. This is probably what you want if you want the content layout on Desktop and Mobile to match(but I hope your HTML layout and CSS follows responsive design principles the other anon linked about otherwise, that 800px hardcoded width image on a 500px screen is gonna look wonky). @media (max-width: 600px) { /* css changes if the width is 600px or less here... */ }

i'd like to join http://mkultravict.im/

>>72986 your website sure takes a lot of time to load Lainon, anyways imma add you soon !!!

>>72986 Welcome to the Lainring, fren! >>72767 I've taken the liberty to resize your banner image to a 240x60 button image, hope the result is ok with you (else it will screw up our sites' layout) Welcome!

I’m thinking of making a tiling background for my website which doesn’t have super obvious repetitions. My idea is to have a base background which is completely filling and repetition doesn’t matter (think a constant color) and stick transparent rotations of an image on top. The idea is to use three or four different rotations and space them so that the cycle order is large (think 1, 3, 7, 13) in both the vertical and horizontal directions (but so that we don’t have diagonal patterns). Has anyone done something similar with success? I could always make a large enough image myself and tile that, but I don’t want my users to have to download a 3MB image just for the background ya know?

hi everyone. i post here about my arcade machines or whatever else is on my mind. https://maerk.xyz/ https://maerk.xyz/index.xml

>>73020 Added to my copy, very nice articles.

>>73015 just layer 2-3 transparent tile images ontop of eachother, above the base pattern. make the images different sizes so that the patterns overlap strangely and make unique designs. not difficult with css. could make the effect you're after trivially. here's sort of an example https://codepen.io/Treehouse/pen/nrOZmm the wood, pencil and smiley face are all separate images

>>73020 Will add you soon (if i forget,please remind me in 3/4 days) cool website though

>>73020 i like these thin layouts. here's another example of a nice thin layout you could draw some inspiration from (not part of the ring) https://vas.neocities.org i have a critique, your gallery page is embedding the full image for the thumbnails. i would recommend you use actual thumbnails instead to make the page load a lot faster and not waste resources. not especially important but it's nice to be considerate of people on slow connections, also could be a nice problem for you to figure out automating.

>>73020 >>73026 >https://maerk.xyz/blog/coffee/ noticed youre using cactus comments for your blog comments, that is a really neat software i love it. any other anons that want free and simple comments i'd recommend you use that as well. >sign up by starting a matrix private message with their bot >free to set up. >allows anonymous posting. >each blog post becomes a matrix chat room so you can easily keep up and reply to new comments. >can upload images via the matrix room. >supports markdown. >can comment via your matrix account after logging in. (sort of a bad thing to encourage logging into accounts through third parties like this, but as long as you trust the site nbd) https://cactus.chat/

>>72986 hi anon. is your website down?

thanks lads. i am now noticing that my visitor counter is not working.

>>73040 yeah its been down the whole morning no idea why tho, i'll check in the evening when i'm at home

>>73026 that guy has good taste in website layouts. the gallery code was made by someone else and i just kind of slapped it together on my site. using thumbnails might be too advanced for me but i'll look into it. also i fixed my visitor counter lol. of course i discovered that i screwed it up after an influx of visitors.

>>73071 This is one of the biggest perks of joining a webring/community, besides getting your ideas and hobbies out there: an influx of visitors that always motivates you to learn more and do better. Well done!

>>73071 You can use imagemagick to quickly generate thumbnails. I mix it with shell globbling and xargs to make it faster. If you're smart, unlike me, you can add something like a file name index then use sort, diff, and maybe sed to only generate thumbs for new images. Not tonight, but eventually I could share something I've used in the past.

i tried making a second theme the user can toggle, check it out. not sure if ill keep it because i dont want to go too hard on the waifu soykaf. the problem im having with it is that every page loads with the default theme (cammy) but once it's done loading it switches to the selected peach theme. it's really jarring.

>>73100 You have a few options. You can set <html> to display:none with js while a custom theme is loading, move your theme selector script to the top of your <body> and default if js is not supported, or you can use something like a GET request to send a different stylesheet. Always be sure to default to something sane. You could also use @media queries and set peach/cammy for light/dark browser themes.

>>71534 all my pages are just plain HTML and I wrote a stylesheet afterwards to make it not look straight out of 1994 admittedly, it now looks straight out of 2004 just have something to say whatever projects you've done to show, whatever guides you have on doing some soykaf you had to figure out, presentation is second to actually having interesting something to tell people >>71634 it's pretty easy to style things afterwards just some basic CSS attached to <body> can do wonders for making a page not just look like straight text just something like this: /*style.css*/ body { padding: 1em; width: 70%; min-width: 480px; margin: 1em auto; background-color: #eee; color: #111; } and throw <link rel="stylesheet" href="style.css"> into your <head> so it actually sees the stylesheet maybe change the font or whatever, pick better colors, add a background image but literally all of your HTML can stay the same, and you just use CSS after the fact to make things not unbearably basic seeing pages suddenly go from plain text to themed feels good

>>73111 i like the media query idea but im currently killing myself trying to get them working. my site is currently unreadable soykaf lol

is there any chance i could pull my copy of the webring from somewhere? if i stored my own copy i'm sure i'd forget to update it.

My site is still in production. But muugol.xyz is where I am at.

>>73209 looks so corporate (no offense)

I was advised to post my site here, so here ya go: https://lainnet.superglobalmegacorp.com/ I've recently migrated to a new VPS and have a bunch of new services in the works, so stay tuned!

>>73274 Welcome to the lainring, anon. Make sure you stash a copy of the webring somewhere on your website.

>>73285 Will do when I return home.

>>70358 is it just me or are there missing tons of banner images here? https://github.com/gattsuchan/lainchan-webring/blob/main/webring.html would be great if it was up to date

>>73288 It's probably stuck in the last year, or maybe even 2020?

>>73285 Alright, done as requested!

>>73225 Yeah I know. It's just some code I stole from somewhere. It's not going to look like that in the end.

https://s0mt0chukwu.neocities.org/