good burner phones?

I need a burner phone, a cheap one I'd dispose of mine completely but I need to keep in touch with family + class and a laptop wouldn't do for now. All I need on it is just whatsapp and calls, that's it pretty much.

>>68795 You pay for a voip service with xmr or Bitcoin that you bought with xmr.

>>68795 Nokia 4G dual sim, has whatsapp, maps, and limited internet and hotspot. Use any burner service SIM card.

>>68799 "classic" style cheap basic Nokia phones are a good choice (it's cheap and the battery lasts for a long time). Alternatively, you could get a cheap Samsung (I recommend Xcover phones because they are more durable) or Nokia smartphone. These have additional capabilities which may be desirable or maybe not? (It depends on you).

>>68799 nta but is there a flip phone equivalent?

>>68801 There is Nokia 2660 Flip but it does not have WhatsApp. There is also Nokia 2760 Flip 4G that but I don't know anything about that model (it may also lack WhatsApp).

believe me they are horrible, i fell for the meme few years ago and never again just buy any android phone and install a custom rom to it and you're good to go

>>68799 >>68800 they dont make anything basic anymore? this is like kicking dead whales down the beach >>68804 what doesnt work for you works for me

>>68799 This is PERFECT thank you so much!

>>68799 How do you get a SIM card?

One of Samsung's A series phones would work.

Nigga you for real? pay money to service provider -> receive SIM

>>68844 thats not what we are discussing here

>>68847 see >>68807 but lainchan thinks my dick is too short

>>68848 >>68807 Perhaps the question was about getting the right size SIM card. The new dumb phones probably use similar SIM cards as current smart phones.

>>68848 Burner =/= service provider plan

>>68851 Step 1 op gets a phone Step 2 op gets service. You can usually buy "bring your own phone" sim kits and pay for data/minutes with cash. If it requires an account you can just provide a fake identity for extra security.

>>68852 Do you even know whats being asked in this thread

>>68853 >Do you even know whats being asked in this thread Neither does OP. "Good" and "secure" are meaningless words if you don't explain your actual requirements and threat model. All you'll get is people projecting their own requirements onto you. I'm not sure what the point of a "burner" phone is anyway if you're going to buy it online with a credit card and then turn it on at home so google and the service provider know where you live and then you've going to use the very traceable telephone calls to contact your family anyway. What do you think you're achieving? >>68844 >Nigga you for real? In some countries you have to show your passport and do a whole KYC process to get a SIM card. Your country is not the only country in the world.

>>68899 >In some countries you have to show your passport and do a whole KYC process to get a SIM card. Your country is not the only country in the world. What are wifi calls, and what is international roaming?

>>68807 Assuming your asking about the best way to get an active anonymous SIM, I'm also interested in this. UK here so I don't know this applies to you, every sim card I've ever bought has required, at a minimum, bank details to activate and prepaid visas are a pain in the arse to get a hold of here. I have heard rumors that a large red and blue supermarket chain here still does active/prepaid SIM cards but I have no idea if that's true or not.

>>68899 Man I feel lucky in this respect. In my country they literally give sims out for free. You can top-up with cash at regular convenience stores.

>>68904 >UK here so I don't know this applies to you, every sim card I've ever bought has required, at a minimum, bank details to activate and prepaid visas are a pain in the arse to get a hold of here Are you sure? That's probably only if you want a contract SIM, unlimited calls for £10 a month and soykaf like that. Every supermarket has stacks of pay-as-you-go SIM cards in the checkout aisle. They're 99p and that's literally all you need to receive SMS messages to register online accounts. If you want to send data as well you ask the cashier for a top up for whatever network you choose. You get a special receipt with a code on it, you text that code to a special phone number and now you can make calls. Browsing the web on pay as you go is very expensive though, like 20p per MB. But you'll see on the SIM card packaging they have special offers like 10GB for £10. The catch is there's a time limit, you have to use the 10GB within 30 days or it's gone. £1 per GB is still pretty expensive but it's fairly anonymous internet access as long as you also buy the phone with cash and only use it in locations that can't be tied to your real identity. If you're worried about cameras and stuff in supermarkets you can also buy SIM cards and topups for basically any Paki shop. Make sure you check the expiration date on the SIM card though because they have to be activated within 1 or 2 years of being manufactured. In smaller shops they might sit on the shelf for years and won't work when you buy them. The SIM cards probably don't matter in terms of opsec though, the topup is the thing to watch out for because when you buy it the cashier essentially sends a request to the network operator's servers to generate a new topup code. So if you're planning to do something dumb like phone in bomb threats the police probably can't track which store sold the SIM card but they will definitely trace the exact time and location you bought the topup from because it will be in the phone network's server logs. The topup codes are valid for 6 months though so if you're serious you can buy one and wait 5 months before using it to minimize the information the shop will be able to tell the police about what you looked like etc.

>>68803 >>68799 why is whatsapp so noteworthy?

>>68935 Most people (normee) use it to circumvent high local or international charges for sms/mms and calling. It's preinstalled on a lot of phones, and used to have end to end encryption iirc. Now facebook owns it and uses it to collect metadata and chat topics on users, but it still gets used more than phone services in many countries. This does not seem to bother normees. Many small businesses use whatsapp for official communication too.

>>68947 Funny enough, it started as as an iPhone exclusive app for Bay Area techies back in 2009.

>>68935 Also apparently Landlords love it (and they do) because they can't get done over for their communications as easily. I don't understand this but it's something I've heard.

>>68954 Makes sense, you can't get chat records from whatsapp like you can from a telecom company. Telecoms would have to hand them over in court.

>>68947 IIUC, Whatsapp messages are still E2EE but the metadata is not and can't be. This has never stopped Facebook from spying on the endpoints, which of course they control. It's still a big step up for most people.

>>68954 >muh no evidence >it's something I've heard Heard from someone who's too stupid to understand how screenshots work.

>>68935 its really not, I just really need it to keep contact with my family for the most part. a lot of people need it because almost every normal person uses it as their daily contacting app.

>>68958 Also, you can't generate your own key (which means that "the key is right next to the lock"!)

>>69016 applies to almost all norman-friendly cryptographic messaging. They won't use a service that forces them to take responsibility for their own security.

>>68935 Third world countries rely on it. In fact, to them, Facebook = the internet.