Should I stop caring about my digital privacy?

I really tired of caring my privacy. I don't know do I really care about my privacy? Maybe it's time to stop. Also I have OCD which makes me check every privacy settings and browser settings all the time. I don't know what to do anons I really don't I'm so confused. Should I enable telemetry all the way and don't care? Should I disable telemetry and be private as much as possible?

This looks like an image that would get used in some magazine for ugly women. get better taste first, then you can start caring about privacy.

>>67475 The fact that your asking the question means you know the answer is yes. So just take the plunge. Whats the worst that happens to you? You learn a bunch of new skills?

>>67475 Seek professional treatment for the OCD. If you give up privacy, you'll have intrusive thoughts about spying or you'll develop a brand new focus for your intrusive thoughts and still suffer, but if you continue to try to maintain privacy, you'll have intrusive thoughts and OCS rituals about missing steps and rechecking configurations. Whether or not you'll need to give up on privacy for a while, avoid things that could trigger privacy related thought spirals for a while, or continue with privacy related rituals depends on to what extent the OCD anxiety interferes with your life under each circumstance and which approach could best help you to mitigate your OCD. Unfortunately, nobody on lainchan is qualified to tell you which is the best approach for you. OCD is a bitch lainon, good luck.

>>67485 OCD* not OCS. post body too short

>>67475 if you have OCD or any other mental illness, not caring about your digital privacy anymore is not going to do anything; maybe give you a short term relief. you don't solve a problem by treating the symptoms, you treat it by tackling the bigger picture itself. aka take meds and seek medical and psychological help, and i don't mean this in a bad way. and we both know what you'll be getting into if you give up your digital privacy, don't we? strive to have a simpler life, cut yourself away from technology and the internet when possible; that's a saner and healthier way to make yourself more private. >>67486 le defeatist and pessimistic moron that can't solve any problems in their life talking like they know something strikes again.

>>67488 >le defeatist and pessimistic moron that can't solve any problems in their life talking like they know something strikes again. Dlsclaimer: I'm not the person you were responding to. I'd argue that seeking therapy is the defeatist/pessimistic attitude. I'd say that fixing things yourself is much more rewarding, and generally works better than complaining about your problems to someone who is probably going to recommend you take pills that you'll have to experiment with over the next 2 - 3 years until they "work" exactly how they want, then go through the process of finding the "right balance" every few years just so you aren't a problem for society.

>>67475 Just use the Tor Browser OP. One of the best privacy solutions for browsing and you don't have to configure anything yourself, nothing to worry about.

What is funny is you are probably not nearly as "secure" as you believe yourself to be. As for checking your configuration incessantly, I guess it wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea if you use a soykafty browser with persistent settings and nothing protecting you from an IP leak, I would probably do the same. But I understand this being a manifestation of your OCD. I have had rituals with OCD, maybe I still have some, I haven't stopped to reflect upon that yet. One I had was hand washing, which caused the skin on my hands to get dry, crack open and bleed. I surmounted that issue by merely not washing my hands when I had the desire to do so. You can just stop. The concept is simple, commitment to it is not. You have to consistently resist the urge to perform the ritual, in this you will gradually develop control. I would steer clear of medication and psychologists. Medication for OCD seems very extreme. You're going to destroy your brain over an issue you could solve yourself. If you see a therapist they're just gonna tell you the same soykaf I have told you, except they will also drug you and teach you worthless "coping skills" that do nothing to help you, charging you exorbitant fees all the while. However I also believe people should avoid psychological "help" altogether short of seeking aid for insanity, if you aren't schizophrenic lapsing in and out of psychosis there is nothing psychological "help" can offer you, there is everything to lose.

Depends on your objectives, if caring about privacy aligns with the things you want to achieve and the life you want to live, then do it. If not, there is no reason to keep caring. Although this kind of decision is more of a spectrum, you don't have to have perfect privacy and you do not have to give up completely

>>67489 >I'd say that fixing things yourself is much more rewarding I agree. My point is that some people need a little push to begin that process, otherwise they would just get stuck in their hole. Any reasonably trustworthy or kind person could do that, be it a friend, family member or a therapist. >generally works better than complaining about your problems to someone who is probably going to recommend you take pills that you'll have to experiment with over the next 2 - 3 years that hugely depends on what type of doctor you're talking to. some (especially ones in their early to mid 30s) seem more like a therapist turned doctor than anything else. also, only you know what will work for you, so if you think your doctor is bullshitting at you, just boot them out, maybe get off the meds (slowly if it's those types of meds) you're on, and try something else. but i do understand where you're coming from, don't get me wrong, i just think there are doctors and doctors, people and people, etc. >then go through the process of finding the "right balance" every few years just so you aren't a problem for society. if you mean severe mental disorders, then fair, but if otherwise, what do you mean by "a problem for society"?

>>67496 >My point is that some people need a little push to begin that process going to a therapist does not give you a push, If you can go to a therapist yourself, then you do not need a push because you already have that much willpower. > Any reasonably trustworthy or kind person such as a therapist lol >only you know what will work for you thats the problem though right, you don't know what will work for you, cause if you did you wouldn't have this problem to begin with, unless all you need is a push, which again, pro's generally can't give. >i just think there are doctors and doctors, people and people, etc. if I understand you, you mean that there is variety. Yes there is variety, but there are also types, and incentives and other things. Maybe there are nice butchers, but if you are a cow you probably wish to avoid them. Maybe I don't understand you. >but I do understand where you're comming from do ya, do ya reelee? sorry I'm not him lol I'm the guy who told you to go to hell or rot in a ditch or whatever it was now that those dirty jannies polished it off the board. For what its worth I don't really understand where you're comming from; I have a behavioral model in my head but I guess I don't get why u iz the way u iz, simply that u be like u do. This dumbovermedicalizationregime (pardon my german) really is just insane. OP comes in and is like, look I've got a dumb habit its like I have OCD, and you or someone like you hops in and tells him to take drugs and see doctors like he had a fuarrrking sword sticking out of his chest. Alternately its like you're some lousy pattern matching algorithm written to the specs of a lawyer who decided that any time any post contains a word match in the DSM then the bot has to tell the poster to seek professional help (this is not medical advice, I am not a doctor). There's people and then there's people and then there's idiots like you. How did you become this way ? What happened to you, lain ? Are you some kind of bot ? A federal agent ? A refugee from reddit ? The result of an unfortunate skiiing accident and some neccisary medical interventions involving stapling your skull back together ? Can't you see how retarded you are? OP: checking settings like this is a dumb habit. Systems that can gather this stuff should be assumed to be gathering it, if you're actually paranoid. If you want to be paranoid, actually logically sit down and figure this soykaf out, and otherwise just forget about it and move on. You sound like you're in the worst position, probably neither getting much protection but wasting your time in (not) getting it. Consider what you're worried about getting leaked/ what motivates your privacy concerns, and try to make a reasonable plan to best acheive that. If you actually want google not to know where you are, the better option is just going to be to not carry a phone, not to 'disable telemetry'.

>>67497 >problem for society The pills don't really fix the problems, they just reduce your outward response to things. I was basically a test subject when I was 9 years old, until I was about 12. Another way to say it: It's apathy in a pill.

>>67475 You could argue that caring too much about your privacy might make you stand out. Maybe only caring a little bit would make you blend in more, functionally making you more private. If it's too exhausting for you, why don't you only try being private when you are doing something abnormal? Does it really matter if Mark Zuckerberg knows you watched some cat video? Perhaps doing this would limit your OCD symptoms to only some of the time. That way you could "know" when you should check your privacy settings, and when it doesn't matter. Or you could go the other extreme and try to cut technology out of your life as much as possible. That would sidestep the issue of digital privacy entirely.

>>67497 >you don't know what will work for you, cause if you did you wouldn't have this problem to begin with i disagree. knowing is just half of the process, you still have to take action. you can also not know what your problem is, but know what it isn't, which is also valid. >I'm the guy who told you to go to hell or rot in a ditch or whatever it was now that those dirty jannies polished it off the board. i don't know what you're talking about here. i don't remember you saying that to me; you are probably referring to the >>67485 lainon, which i am not. >OP comes in and is like, look I've got a dumb habit its like I have OCD, and you or someone like you hops in and tells him to take drugs and see doctors like he had a fuarrrking sword sticking out of his chest. yeah, i can see that. i still think they should consider getting treatment for their OCD (not "like" OCD. OP said that they actually have OCD), be it taking drugs, changing habits, whatever works. and yeah if it's not a serious issue, then fair, it might not be necessary to do anything, and that so-called "OCD" is a symptom of something more benign, a schizo thought or whatever. i'm just making assumptions here, and i'm perfectly fine if i end up being wrong. >>67498 >The pills don't really fix the problems, they just reduce your outward response to things. good point for the most part, because it depends on what problems you have, but yeah, for the most common mental illnesses, fair enough.

>>67505 >this is the tech board, even if OP has ocd, he's only asking about a 'tech' problem >op listed a single dumb habit, he implied he can kinda just stop it at will >people frequently claim to have OCD when talking about irrelevant dumb habits Only reason people would take the OCD comment in the OP at all seriously is if they're uberautists who can't understand figurative language, or lawyers' robots programmed to respond to any refference to certain medical conditions in certain ways.

I think what we see people doing on random hobbyist websites is unnecessary paranoia. Most people don't need to use an open source bios or route all their web traffic via tor. A normal person can get away with having multiple complex passwords on every website they sign up on and using 2FA on important accounts. Also write down your crypto passphrase on a piece of paper instead of copy pasting it somewhere else..

>>67475 I did. I'm using windows, proprietary softwares and visit bloat websites. But I don't make unnecessary accounts and don't use email except only for receiving. In the past, I was a retard who try to do my best for caring about privacy and security but nowadays, i'm just deal with, i mean comparing between privacy and convenient. if it has really good value while i lose little bit -- or more -- privacy. such as smartphones what my country is already dependent with it. There are more examples not only things what i say above. but i don't really remember about them.

>>67518 >using free bios and routing web traffic through tor >using multiple complex passwords and 2FA your comparing apples to oranges here m8, one is about privacy the other is about sec. having good sec pracctices doesnt make you more private man, wake up. your still getting trackd by cloudflare, javascript, your browser, etc etc. and calling a person that doesnt care about privacy "normal" is insane m8 cmon. i guess you meant "average" but whatevah. lowering ya head to almost dictator companies and government sholdnt be considerd normal. the world is going to soykaf and beyond and we cant just not fight back, are you out of ya mind? >>67521 weak sheeple lmao

>>67524 yeah what you're saying is right. Thanks for being polite i guess. very rare on anon boards.

You're not going to achieve perfect privacy in today's society with a large collective effort to hold the powers that be accountable. Until then, an all-or-nothing approach isn't sustainable. Just do what you can. Every scrap of data you don't give is data big tech can't sell. Example: if you wanna play online games with friends, run Windows 10 LTSC on one machine for games and do everything else on a seperate Linux machine.

>>67556 Without* a large collective effort. Please excuse the typo.

>>67475 Digital privacy in nowadays is an oxymoron. There is no real privacy for digital world anymore. The best way is just not using the internet as possible as you can. I'm not saying that things like tor are meaningless though. Those are like birth control but not even safe as a condom. The best way is celibacy.

>>67475 I recommend finding a happy medium. As with most things, there is a point of diminishing returns. Convenience is the enemy of privacy and security, but there are plenty of things one can do which are of minimal inconvenience.

My biggest problem is partitioning my usage between necessary stuff that identifies me, and then just random brewing soykaf. I have two separate devices, but my VPN has failed a few times to the point I turn it off and just soykafpost with my pub ip.

>>68565 Qubes OS is good for that.

>>67475 >>67485 >>67488 >>67494 "people" without "ocd" are actually retarded.

>>67475 Hello lainanon, I don't know what your current computer setup is but I don't think you have to worry much about being tracked when you use freeware. My best advice is to just use something like either openSUSE Tubleweed or Fedora Silverblue as your operating system and then use something open source as your browser, you'll be fine unless you're a epik hackerman that's on the governments watchlist and even then it won't be easy to track you.

We care about privacy because we're conscious about its lack of presence, especially in our day and time, thus we automatically by common of sense we fight against it as we know it's not normal nor okay to go into our lives that way and gain profit out of it to make us consume even more.

>>67480 agree, but we're forced to attach images to threads, sometimes it's just unnecessary.

>>67475 lainon, I have personal experience feeling similar (not diagnosed but super paranoid) and look. I use things to help obscure myself, but you can never be invisible. the true "privacy"pill is to literally isolate yourself from society. but is that gonna make you fulfilled? sure, you could be alone and "free", but is it gonna satisfy you really. the government or corpos will always have something on you. if you really thought you could live anonymously its a naive fable. its hard and easier said than done, I know, but in my personal experience trying to accept the fact you cant ever truly be private helped me let go of being so paranoid and focused. live more in person, dont hang around on the net 24/7. try and connect with people even if they are different and sure, what if they are a "fed" or someone out to get you? thus is life. there will always be someone there so trying to run away wont help. facing it will. how, I do not know for you personally. but as an act you should aim to try and accept privacy invasion as a fact of life and try to sneak around it when possible, otherwise you will live it unfulfilled and paranoid trying to make everything perfect.

>>67524 >calling a person that doesnt care about privacy "normal" is insane m8 cmon. i guess you meant "average" but whatevah. I'm not sure what distinction you think you're making here unless you're some clown who uses and interprets the word "normal" as a value judgment instead of a factual observation

>>67475 >I really tired of caring my privacy. I don't know do I really care about my privacy? Maybe it's time to stop. you should stop really. it is likely that the companies have collected so much even before you were able to "tick off that setting" what you should keep an eye on is the current and latest technologies that promote tracking to be easier. it should only be depending on your use case or threat model and level. it's a different thing if you are working with your government, on a large company, a journalist/dissident/vigilante, a worker in law firm, and other stuff >Also I have OCD which makes me check every privacy settings and browser settings all the time. you should disable "share data" on firefox and chrome. you can definitely turn off most telemetry and data collection for some services but don't expect it to be "dissident-friendly" since when your local regime marks you as a "threat" they can just break the data protection after you broke the ToS by being the enemy of the state (even if the state is the true enemy), they can even do geofencing warrants which is even worse now. >I don't know what to do anons I really don't I'm so confused. Should I enable telemetry all the way and don't care? Should I disable telemetry and be private as much as possible? you should just go private as much as possible, use private browsing. telemetry is useless and should be turned off. sometimes there's people that deliberately add malicious telemetry like "permission to read contacts and sms -> goes into telemetry data "for debugging purposes" ---> ??? ---> profit (developer sells your info and now scammers keep spamming your mail and SMS and pretending to be a relative in need etc. saying your computer has virus) that is maybe one reason I keep my privacy and telemetry settings in check. other people may leak your info too, and other phones can record you too in background (courtesy of google launcher and chrome's hotword technology which can also be found on linux version of browser actually monitoring your alsa capture (pcm0c..) streams! yikeys) what I do mostly is: >disable search/browsing history (on a dummy phone, e.g, youtube/google) >disable all location and other collection/ad services on dummy phone >limit as much trackers as I can on mobile or browsers by using ublock origin >prevent leaking of mobile numbers as much as possible >for important ideas (on the go), use on another phone with lineage >use foss on PC, avoid steam/discord since it accesses microphone and use anti-fraud device identification and anti-cheat which invades privacy and may look into your home directory contents (yikes! proven with accesstime logs) I'm not doing any "haxxors" activity so I don't really care that much for now. if I did though I would just use throwaway devices in a remote place/wifi considering all the mac addresses are being zucked every moment since 2019's geofencing database collection sites (literally every phone in vicinity). but it seems the hackers stopped actually doing hacking things, most have devolved into doing scams and other financial soykaftery so I mostly stopped with my hacking game(or training) due to badness enumeration and I don't want my devices to be associated with those scammers. we playin' long game.

>>67475 Worry about your online security more and be cautious of what info you give to what platform your employer/friends can see, Lots of people here are schizo about it but just be mindful and keep in mind when it comes to protecting actual soykaf you need private like ssn and bank soykaf, and check yourself in whitepages every year to tell them to fuarrrk off and remove your soykaf off their site really all that matters but it's all about perspective man

Have you considered that maybe the stuff you do on your computer doesn't require a schizo level of privacy? For some people like dissidents, public figures, journalists etc it does, but I doubt that you're in that camp. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't be private, but it means that you should look into what you actually NEED for privacy. food for thought.

>>77310 Yes, keep your threat level in mind when making decisions. If you're actively targeted you might as well just drop all your electronic devices into a river but most only qualify for the impersonal drag net surveillance which in turn opens the door to spoof feed them garbage data. In fact if you're still flying under the radar you might use exploits to install botnets on people's smart fridges that do nothing but mess with data collectors.

>>77311 I'm pretty sure these threads are all bots, because I keep telling you people over and over and over that they don't need devices to spy on or predict you. Recent example. I wrote a number on the back of my hand. No webcam, no mic that I know of, no nothing. Yet the youtube video I had playing just paused itself at the exact timestamp I'd written. Things that you see or think will be reflected back to you. The only reason you think otherwise is that you believe you've consented by carrying a phone or living in an urban environment.

>>77312 Yes Jonathan. Now wipe that 23 off your wrist. It makes you look like a whore.

>>67475 pareto principle Just use librewolf on your desktop and mull on your phone and don't doxx yourself online and don't go to overly depraved websites

Ideally you would have someone take care of it for you so you don't have to be the one to worry. It takes a real pro to even get close to privacy. I want more privacy but it is far too overwhelming. Also a lot of people have a really weird idea of privacy. Like what do I care if China has my data? I'm not Chinese, they have no power over me.

Smartphones are really depressing. In many parts of the world it's impossible to interact with government services, banks, public transport, etc without an app that only runs on Android or iOS devices. On top of that, these apps increasingly check for things like SafetyNet to ensure that users aren't running custom roms, rooted/jailbroken devices, or have unlocked bootloaders. EU countries are the worst for this, despite publicly claiming to support digital freedom and privacy they are at the forefront of mandating that people use American spyware to participate in society. I don't think it's productive to "blackpill" people, but at some point the reality of the situation needs to be discussed. The reality of things is very bleak, and the future looks bleaker as it will only become more difficult to live without carrying around a tracking device 24/7.

The best privacy on the internet is simply blending with the average user. Have a google account for normal browsing and compartmentalise whatever else you want to do to a secure account that is extremely hard to connect with your IRL identity.

>>77329 Is it? On the contrary, I find it easier to interact with the government using good old paper forms or going at the counter, compared to corporations who require an account to send a ticket, that they will ignore anyway, and whose staff in physical stores/call centers can't do soykaf. That's part of the reason why I'm working in the public sector actually.

>>77343 >that is extremely hard to connect with your IRL identity. How conveniently you omit that it's ridiculously hard to achieve. I suspect you even have to use different strategies for google captchas lest they fingerprint you. You have to do tons of soykaf to avoid being fingerprinted and even then you'll make that one small dumb mistake and have to start all over again, but you can't generate identities like an AI, so you're basically caught in the trap. Internet surveillance is easy compared to Rl surveillance, there is no light ahead

Stop caring about your online privacy and start eating ze bugs

You should not stop caring about your internet privacy

>>67475 Do the latter. Trust me.

Be private when you can but otherwise you're not as important as you think you are. Most corps only care for your data in order to sell soykaf to you which you can avoid by just blocking ads. Most people who care about privacy are usually just embarrassed about their taste in porn but no one cares about that either.

>>77791 >you're not as important as you think you are. Most corps only care for your data in order to sell soykaf Obviously most don't need to think about threat levels. But if someone else makes a profit from your data then it's on principle to not hand out any of your info lightheartedly. Or pollute their datasets with garbage. Also check one of those data leak sites. You might get surprised.

>>77791 >2025 >god emperor trump ascends the throne >searches NSA database for everyone who posted unamerican comments >you are not allowed to travel or leave the state >please report to your nearest library for mandatory bible study Why is it so hard to explain to nοrmies and leftists that the government is not your friend. Even if you trust the current administration for some stupid reason that doesn't mean you will trust every future one. Privacy is something you have to implement before you need it.

>>77909 It's a psychological type that wants oversight and control. In another time and place they would support the fascist and communist movements, or the exoteric controlling parts of religion. Being private (or free or independent) means that one is responsible for ones own reality and consequences of ones actions, which inflicts psychological/spiritual stress on them.

>>77909 Lol that's exactly what you libtards already do to trump tards. Why do you think trump hates the intelligence community? Because they gang stalked him and tried to blackmail him in russia for simply doing legal business. Snowden was right. Get fuarrrked.

>>77944 Btw, we know about the TEMPEST+AI recipe. Funny how all these posts bubble up on 6/2.

>>77922 >Being private (or free or independent) means that one is responsible for ones own reality and consequences of ones actions, which inflicts psychological/spiritual stress on them. It's rather inconvenient that the people who can't self govern refuse to leave the rest of us alone.

>>77909 >leftists think the government is their friend You're displaying a pretty profound level of ignorance here anon.

>>77909 Dare I say unfathomably based? I can already picture this magnificent unit of a man being carried in on a giant bald eagle onto the white house premises to be coronated with a golden crown of olive leaves to finally cross the Rubicon at last and decree his presidency for life and to announce the grand beginning of the shining united empire of the states under god where under his sole reign he will crush his libtard enemies and declare anyone suffering from terminal TDS as second class citizens if citizens at all and use all the tools of the tyrannical Brandon administration as a blunt baton against the antifa and BLM goons and anyone else who dares to oppose him under his full discretion. Over will be those times where transvestites are allowed in women's bathrooms and on school grounds and the ever encroaching solidification of centralized state power will finally be turned to good and you will have nothing to fear if you're a righteous and honest warrior of the lord who has nothing to hide while anyone skeptical of his grace will be thrown over the Wall together with their closet stuffed with all their wretched things that were not intended to see the light but ultimately were revealed regardless. It will truly be glorious my guys! MAGA! Day of the hope! >>77950 >profound level of ignorance I am not ignorant at all about your wicked ways. Repent, leftoid, while there's still time! The nanny state will soon protect you no more! There will not be enough dead voters to stop the red wave that is coming! Stand down and proud, fellow patriots!

At least there seems to be more a shift toward zero trust security protocols. >>77953 Not that Lain but yeah you're ignorant and obviously an American. >red wave is coming Based commie

>>77954 There needs to be a shift to red/black engineering and MIL-STD-461 TEMPEST certification. Zero trust anything connected to the power lines is a fuarrrking joke.

>>77954 >a shift toward zero trust security protocols Which is fitting after we shifted towards a zero trust society already. But yes, I'm red blooded and ALL American! I eat hamburgers and I drive cars! When they first come for the socialists I will ask when and where and how can I be of service! When they say jump, I will make red, blue and white stripes behind me! I hope your encryption is top notch and your keys use as many bytes as there's genders under the current post truth lunacy because kilo qubit quantum computers are coming and real men will seize them from the silicon valley soyboys. And if it isn't then I hope you can invent something real fast in time, kiddo, before the web gets locked down and all the tor nodes are run by America first! You may not like those facts but luckily those don't care about your feelings.

>>77956 I hope you are parodying because this is just sad to think someone is this much a stereotype. Now quit derailing with your LARP.

>>77959 A communist sodomite calling me a larper who's likely running around in his black hoodie and mask while with his group of fellow degenerates causing mischief? How rich! Yeah, I'm a LARPer alright? may Lord Almighty Rapture you filthy Pagans! And I'm derailing you from what? Trying to appear smarter than you are? I'm 100% on topic when I say that a massive and all seeing surveillance state is amazing when it's your own guys in charge and online privacy and covert methods of communication are critical when it's the baddies who're in control. And as it stands now, the pendulum is about to come crashing back with a hugly vengeance! God Bless and may he have mercy on your soul! MAGA! Q! Build the Wall! MyPillow!

>>67475 Honestly speaking this privacy stuff stressed me out in the past but it paid off, I stopped posting pics online or anything stupid. I really stopped caring ever since I figured out how these tech stuff works and how dataminers work. Usually there's no escape. What you need to do is "compartmentalize" whatever you do Main focus: Avoid compromising OSes and Devices. Usually the "vanilla devices" are mostly dystopian. Ever since I found out about lenovo doing "superfish" which is a sophisticated cert injection that actually (in some set-ups) would get retained even after a complete OS wipe (fresh install DVD/USB-iso) due to EFI fuarrrkery I had my trust shattered early on. They even had them on business-class thinkpads! Turns out even outdated stuff may even have better privacy protection (like say some old ass Vista laptop) than new ones despite the plethora of malware (vulnerabilities) that may infect your outdated device, it all boils down to how good you are at "containing" anything new that comes into your device (even something mundane as PDF or images) which is easier to do. In fact it is easier to just do that old_device+common_sense formula than a new_vanilla_device_compromised+debloat which is a huge pain to do! It's not like your data is safe anyways on the new_vanilla_devices, they are out there ready to exfiltrate your next billion dollar idea on your phone, laptop, or PC. Compartmentalize The most essential part of it, you may need multiple devices to do this, or even dual or triple-boot capabilities. In today's world this is more ideal, also owning multiple devices is good since most of the relevant and old (outdated but very useful or interesting) apps/games are not forwards compatible so I have an old phone for older apps that only work for older versions. Have a dedicated "botnet device", don't cross contaminate. Know that botnet devices are capable of datascraping your home, from your wifi MACs and they can also interconnect all of those metadata, there's like companies that are dedicated to do this cross-platform and non-IP-based doxxing which is disgusting honestly. When a man dies they want their "browser history and porn drives" wiped. It's the literal first episode of "That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime" but what these companies are doing is basically recording everything even soykaf we browse, click times, click strength, battery percentage, slide/tap areas, typing speed, you name it. If you don't want all that and is extremely anxious about such bastard technologies just start compartmentalizing and use better alternatives like fairphone or moondrop for anything important. Just so you know all botnet devices are silently eavesdropping, the non-foss proprietary apps installed are also probably eavesdropping too which I've proven in the past, they also access/modify the clipboard since it can be used to steal people's ideas! Just think about it for a moment. They claim "it's to autofill the OTP codes" but not really, they always try to suck in all that clipboard data which at some point in android 13-14 they likely stopped doing but there's only a handful of phones that report clipboard abuse (except iphones which do care about it when they exposed tiktok lol) anyway just keep stuff in mind, there's maybe a huge list of stuff to watch out for but you learn as you go and read other "exposers" like me. Unavoidables: There are stuff that you cannot avoid though, say payment apps and the "stupid i_am_proudly_marked passports" which is getting more prevalent. Digital money/payments which is kinda dumb considering minors can't access banking stuff yet on most countries - and even dumber that it requires "secure authentication (ex: face ID, touch ID (fingerprint))" which also require an OTP/another factor for authentication medium (over insecure SMS, spotty RCS/iMessage,pin calls (insecure unless VoIP or 4G or higher encrypted internet calls which may even be compromised at this point), or another "authenticated" device (lol just why.. must I bring a laptop or PC just to buy fuarrrking fries!!)) - it is all just too inconvenient imo. Unavoidables can be easily evaded by having a "dedicated botnet device" [compartmentalize] which what the average Chinese actually do for their "spyware gov app" requirement. Another unavoidables is insecure protocols. Such as the DNS, which is by design abused by dataminers, even with a private dns running on secure/tls protocol they could still access the server name indication and funnily enough they're never really planning to implement ECH ever, it's not even available for mobile which is indicator they (browser companies) do not care at all about your privacy! Never, zero, zip, zilch, nada. They are selling you out. The New Normal Having been exposed to the old internet and later the nu internet is like day and night comparison. It's entirely a different beast, so I always mostly use adblock which btw google probably wants to kill by dumbing the browser (which at mv3 and mv2 updates (Manifest)) actually limited network capabilities of addons or the "web extension standard" but adblocking still works at some degree and it's ethical to do than whatever they did with their fraudulent trueview adfraud! lol Either way there's nothing we can do against bigtech being dicks like Chrome devs saying big No to JXL - the actual only new tech that I looked forward to outside of Nearlink which is DoA due to US not wanting anything to do with Huawei (after kicking them off the top spot in smartphone market and telecom nodes) so we're stuck in this bitter spot where nothing new bigtech is happening and everything is stagnating just like the nu internet. Day and day all these bypass tools are getting harder or getting killed (such as hooktube project[now defunct], teddit[defunct]->redlib[defunct]->libreddit[tba]), they're really deeply invested on this silent war on dumbening the internet. When is the last time you SAW a DOWNLOAD button on a mainstream website? You can't even download a video anymore! In short, tools are necessary to do basic stuff . Also adblock is healthy and good since trackers it blocks do violate my national privacy laws and so to also avoid "character-escaped javascript malware" which I detect sometimes. It's absurd you can't even "save a web page for offline viewing" these days. That's just how bad it is now though there's tools that do it properly.

>>77329 >Smartphones are really depressing. In many parts of the world it's impossible to interact with government services, banks, public transport, etc without an app that only runs on Android or iOS devices. Smartphones are controlled brickwares and cyberhump that make it easy to impose dystopian practices. An APP for a specific bigtech service has no download/save capabilities or otherwise it is paywalled and you also are required to even register an account so their app has ad-tracking value to sell your behavior to advertisers and maybe the psychos out there lol. I'd say just get the cheapest $39 lite smartphone and put all the crap in there. Maybe a smart fliphone but keep in mind it may eveasdrop still and it costs actually more since you'd require to have internet at all times or whatever dumb soykaf. >On top of that, these apps increasingly check for things like SafetyNet to ensure that users aren't running custom roms, rooted/jailbroken devices, or have unlocked bootloaders. The depressing part is that lineageos-able phones are getting less and less every year, there's also a steep decline on experimentation on custom rom daredevils due to bricked devices, even something as simple as enabling DSU loader or unlocking bootloader can brick a device, many report on places like XDA and other forums that it's not worth it anymore to brick a newly bought 5G device simply because it was too buggy to unlock it at all. >EU countries are the worst for this, despite publicly claiming to support digital freedom and privacy they are at the forefront of mandating that people use American spyware to participate in society. >I don't think it's productive to "blackpill" people, but at some point the reality of the situation needs to be discussed. The reality of things is very bleak, and the future looks bleaker as it will only become more difficult to live without carrying around a tracking device 24/7. Blackpill is good, it's a straight punch in the face of someone fast asleep in a nightmare. The plan they are doing is slowly introducing dystopian crap in little steps.

>>77973 Firefox has ECH enabled by default on version 119 and up unless you are talking about something else. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/faq-encrypted-client-hello

>>77973 >Either way there's nothing we can do against bigtech being dicks like Chrome devs saying big No to JXL Still absolutely furious about this. I say we flood the web with JXLs until they're forced to comply.

I think what might be a good strategy is a massive class lawsuit against the government and tech companies for their mass surveillance leading to mental illness in form of anxiety and paranoia. Even if the case is not won it will bring large scale attention to the problem and make people that defend this stuff look even more like hostile aggressors.

>>77981 Is it not treason in most countries to go against their constitutions and abuse their citizens rights secretly? What actual crime is it, if a CEO of a telecom knowingly aids the government by secretly giving them backdoor access to all movements of their subscribers IMEI/IMSI/GPS, etc, without telling the customers and just playing dumb? It would be great if it was treason and by extension if we could push for the death penality to balance this power disaprity, so future CEOs and future Intelligence officials think twice about abuse such a power. They aren't gods. They're meat just like the rest of us. And stupid meat. The smartest and best people never end up working for any government. Anyways, so yea, what laws are they breaking and what punishments are they facing if we can prove it, do you have any ideas? And we can prove it. Just need to know where to look, and record it.

>>77982 It's imposing harm onto people. There is plenty of lawsuits that follow that format. Civil law is different from criminal law.

>>77983 Treason and capital punishment would have greater result in citizens and government employees taking their constitutions more seriously, henceforth. If it were possible. Alas I'm not a lawyer, so I wouldn't know. But I take it seriously because I know many have killed themselves, even Journalists who couldn't take the heat. But it's it's classified, and special access, so the public and even though with clearance hardly knows the amount of people who have killed themselves over this soykaf.

Constitutions and laws are just pieces of paper that are interpreted differently by different groups of people across time. The only thing that matters is power. Some people understand power and how to acquire it. The rest of us just rage impotently on anonymous chinese cartoon forums.

>>77984 At least there is the freedom of information act. Everything out of it has redacted lines and they hide certain things by using private contractors where the law doesnt apply but even getting information heavily censored looks pretty damning in itself. You have to know what to ask for though which is the tricky part.

>>77343 The frustrating thing is that normal browsing should have a basic level of privacy as well. It didn't use to be that all your normal activity, which is basically 99%-100% of a non-criminal's activity, was spied on.

>>78103 Yes. It doesnt even make moral sense to look for illegal activity where it's only people looking at images or videos or documents when not putting money into crimes or asking for a hit on someone or something. Going beyond that is obvious overreach.

>>77791 >>77909 The issue is the exact inverse. It's not that the government is this hypercompetent entity that will press its thumb on your head should you step out of line (it certainly does have the capacity for that, but it isn't worth it), the danger is the opposite. That the government is often times incompetent, which leaves anyone whose information they've collected vulnerable by proxy. Same thing with companies collecting your data. >oh well, what's the problem with personalized ads, they're just showing me things I want! Then all your info ends up in the wild at the next data breach. The NSA and the like want to cultivate a mystique that they are "too big to fail", but history has proven that they absolutely are not invulnerable.

>>67475 I'm like you as well. Best option is behavior isolation across devices. Have your turbo autist machine which is built to be a ghost and have a normal person who gives a fuarrrk suck me machine that runs all the defaults and that you do all your normal person stuff on. The stuff you wouldn't mind everyone knowing about you. This is probably better for privacy anyways because you can create a fake profile about yourself that only shows what you want it, like a corporate facebook for job interviews. Most of what they gather isn't going to be a big concern to you anyways, the things that really matters are your router firmware being secure/up to date, securing local data in case of theft, and hiding any illegal activity. If you're not doing anything that could get you in trouble worrying all the time is only extra stress on your life that serves basically no purpose. If it affects you that much consider taking a step back from screen for a month or two. I've also found just not having a smart phone to be a real helpful habit in this scenario. I can't ever feel private or secure using or having one of these around, getting rid of it is a hit on your social life but if you can make it work you genuinely feel much better. Also for browsers theres user scripts that will check all the settings for you. Just look up "How to install a firefox user.js file" look into betterfox or narsil, they'll do a better job than you can manually and it will take you like 2 minutes and boom, every bad setting in firefox is switched off and changed to be more privacy respecting.

>>67475 yes yes wegro, you should also carry a phone with you and never use cash cus it's sOoO impossible to live without these conveniences in current decade >I have OCD which makes me check every privacy settings and browser settings all the time. yeah this mental retardation and lack of time management abilities is a staple of aspies which are unfortunately 99% of the un*x community. imagine even opening a privacy policy ever. i haev perfect opsec and never have once.