Let's Create a Webring! pt9

This is part 9 of the webring thread, still going! Last thread: >>58746 How do I join? Post: * a link to your website * a 240x60 banner of your website (Optional): * Post a link to your RSS feed on your site. Communicate with other Lains by responding to articles on their RSS feeds with responses on your RSS feed. If you're both subscribed to each others feeds, you'll see each others responses and can long-form communicate back and forth in a decentralized way. (also optional) - Add yourself to my github page for the webring! https://github.com/gattsuchan/lainchan-webring

f-first... https://thecrypt.neocities.org/

>>63463 >if you guys were going to advertise your site locally IRL how would you do it? I converted the URL into an EBCDIC card and left copies lying around

>>63477 That would explain all the COBOL developers...

>>63477 whats ur reasoning for doing such a thing?

>>63499 not him but punchcards are kind of like QR codes for old people but in all honesty, i think this is a great method to filter boring people and retards. i'd love to find a punchcard, figure out how to read it (you don't need an actual punchcard reader, just use pen and paper) and find a cool website or something similar. maybe you don't want people who wouldn't enjoy such an experience in your audience. another reason i can think of is that it makes people more invested. you get spammed with links all day everyday and people (rightfully) ignore most of them. if you have to decipher a punch card to find a website you are most likely going to investigate further.

>>63501 >find a cool website or something similar And proceed to be disappointed, because the effort required doesn't match the reward, yet another blog.

>>63463 handing out flyers/business cards to interesting looking people. That's how some groups in the rave scene operate. It's a little cringy and oftentimes just a way for the originator to sell a bunch of stickers, but it still feels kind of cool to have a stranger to give you a token to their 'secret' club.

>>63506 >oh no, a blog can't be that bad of a blog if the method of distribution is punch cards. even a static image site like cutewaifu.com would be enough for me. you must be one of those boring people if you need a "reward" for solving a puzzle >be me >find punchcard >look up online how punchcards work >successfully decipher punchcard >dopamine >it's a URL rather than some random ass FORTRAN snippet >very nice >it's a blog >the owner must be a mega autist >let's see what he has to say >be you >find punchcard >there must be some grand reward waiting for me if i decipher this punchcard >maybe a cash prize or even a job as a COBOL developer >decipher punchcard >it's a blog >fuark >proceed to sue the blog owner for wasting an hour of my precious lifetime or more likely: >be you >find punchcard >ignore it, because there is likely no reward for deciphering it >go on with my life

>>63519 >even a static image site like cutewaifu.com would be enough for me That would be better. I just hate blogs.

>>63475 lainon... i want to make you my gf...

>>63520 >That would be better. I just hate blogs. Thats unfortunate to hear anon, blogs are still an excellent source of info and entertainment, but i can understand disliking blogs. Part of the issue is that we are past the golden era of blogging. Prior to social media, many people had independent blogs, and these blogs often evolved into compendiums of in depth information on a single or a few topics, in much more depth than what you would find on a site like wikipedia (which tends to only have surface level info). They were also very discoverable (the search engines still worked properly back in those days) and had a lot of unique character to them. They weren't written on Medium en masse, they were written on individual websites with their own style and on their own terms. The blogger didn't have to worry about spending a lot of time on a blog post, only to see it get lost in the pool of other blog posts, they could place their blog post front and center on their website for as long as they wanted. All-in-all, this model of blogging encouraged higher quality and longer form blog posts, filled with interesting info and very enjoyable to read. In the present day, it is difficult to find blogs that interest you. There is a lot of so called "blog spam", a lot of signal-to-noise ratio in search engines, and distortions from social media. But there are still great blogs out there. If you are interested in giving blogs another shot, I'd recommend using RSS to aggregate blogs, it's a relatively painless way to get into blogs.

>>63537 I have seen interesting "blogs", but I feel inclined to call those articles instead. Blogs, and people describing their mundane life events and new goals that almost never amount to anything, have become almost synonymous to me. >these blogs often evolved into compendiums of in depth information on a single or a few topics, in much more depth than what you would find on a site like wikipedia How many blogs in this webring fit that description?

>>63538 this is generally how people write blogs, right? If it isn't a "diary" where they reflect on their lives it's usually a place for people to dump the things they know about the things they love. I suppose you can also use a blog as a way to show people how to solve an issue, to talk about an event, etc etc but realistically the people who would have a blog in this day and age are autistic as hell; my experience with blogging is primarily only so I can infodump on the topics I enjoy without making my loved ones tired of listening to me though... lol

>>63538 >How many blogs in this webring fit that description? Plenty, one I can think of is sizeofcat's.

>>63520 Sorry to hear about the dislike of blogs. Like music , or books. Perhaps it's just that you've never found the style of blogging you like. There's even styles of blogging that I personally dislike. "Sponsored Blogging" - This style of blogging pops up a lot in mall and travel industries where the blogger comes out of nowhere and imposes "native advertising" under the guise of real opinions on fashion or travel. On the vapid side of blogging and unfortunately it's one style that gets high on the big-box search engines due to its sheer aggressive nature on social media. If what above was all there is to the world of blogging I'd want to set the world on fire too. Blogging is one of the most accessible mediums because it's something that can go direct to HTML without the need of anything else and why you'll see a lot within webrings. Anyhow, best of luck in finding your favorite sites. - S

>>63547 This is mildly interesting. Most of the articles don't interest me though, and there's a very flowery style of writing. >go through an entire phenomenology of spirit, solve et coagula, all just to conceive the mere possibility of throwing oneself against the absurdity of the slope again. And every time it is met with the serene silence of the recursive function. That’s the real “two and two make four” Dostoevsky should have worried about If your main intention is to inform people, a more organized system than sequential blog posts(even with tags) would be preferable I think. I'd also say there's more of a random, broad strokes approach anyway. There's an article about Matrix, but there isn't one about XMPP. It kind of serves more as a replacement for newspapers. https://cheapskatesguide.org/ is better in this regard.

I started using emacs to make html files out of org files, instead of using pandoc to make them out of markdown files. Now it's a lot faster and less hacky. Making pdfs out of org files' gonna be great, as soon as i figure it out. Updated the webring, and the opml file with everyone's RSS feeds, here: https://cosmica123.neocities.org/en/webring/index.html >>63463 >if you guys were going to advertise your site locally IRL how would you do it? My website is about books, so I print bookmarks with the url on them and leave them around town. Mostly when I travel to other places. >i want to create a sort of weirdo politics/news blog >maybe even block all connections not within the vicinity of my city and neighboring cities. What about FM radio, or a physical zine to go along with the website? Depends on the type of content, really. >>63471 >https://github.com/gattsuchan/lainchan-webring Nice, thanks for doing that. Check out how the links in the index.html look like <a href="https://3xf.eu"><img src="image/banners/fenix.png" alt="Fenix" /></a> but the images are in a folder called banner. You should change the name of the links so they're like this: <a href="https://3xf.eu"><img src="banner/fenix.png" alt="Fenix" /></a> Hopefully you know some vim or awk so you don't need to do it by hand.

>>63471 >>63591 sed -i 's/image\/banners/banner/g' webring.html This should do the work.

>>63591 >Hopefully you know some vim or awk so you don't need to do it by hand. Now I feel dumb that I have been doing that by hand for 2 years

>>63471 I'm really late to the party, and will spend some time this weekend re-vamping my site to get it added to the webring. Have you considered reviving some of the existing micro-formats that were actually used back in the day by webrings for this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XHTML_Friends_Network https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOAF FOAF is kind of over the top, but XFN is really small. example XFN meta tag: <a href="http://your.cool.blog/" rel="friend">Lain Anon</a> also I know DDV (contentious figure) made openring that sort of fosters webring stuff https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/openring

>>63471 Big update to my site: https://minugahana.neocities.org There's some CSS stuff too so if you've visited before make sure to hard-refresh. Any feedback is welcome. Let me know how bad the new images on my articles page are. >>63633 For a while I had some hcard stuff in my blog but removed it because it seemed useless. It seemed cool at the time but literally nothing supported it so I got rid of it.

>>63600 >Now I feel dumb that I have been doing that by hand for 2 years Feel smart instead that now you know better. >>63658 Nice article on data hoarding. That banner, "gimp free", does it mean that gimp is free or that youur site is gimp-free?

>>63633 I wrote a microformats spec for webrings (h-webring, https://yukinu.com/blog/webring-microformat-specification.html) that makes it easy to discover and traverse webrings. The problem with all these specs though is that it takes a lot of time and marketing to get some wider spread adoption

>>63665 >Feel smart instead that now you know better. I guess I could have done this a long time ago, but never bothered to do so. I do incremental changes in the webring page once every few days, so I don't care that much about it.

>>63665 >gimp free banner I use GIMP, it's supposed to show that it's free. The one I used is an official GIMP button I found on their website, there is another that looks better but it's 90x36 instead of 88x31 like all of my other buttons. https://www.gimp.org/about/linking.html

>>63671 here made you one, does it work for you?

https://intr.cx or http://intrcxv4fa72e5ovler5dpfwsiyuo34tkcwfy5snzstxkhec75okowqd.onion/ or http://6jaqgde66kdsqct4ptzdj2vd32kblnk5scgwoprtmcreqbhobuhq.b32.i2p/ also added the webring

>>63765 found your website randomly when browsing i2p today :D glad to see you join the webring!

>>63774 awesome! is there anything else you'd like to see hosted? I can't think of much else.

>>63776 you could host interfaces to corporate net like searx, nitter, invidious, etc but i can understand if you don't want to promote those kind of sites

>>63777 Searx is not a bad idea. Invidious and other content streaming services I can't afford to run on the tiny webserver I have. I really love obscure minimal stuff like from Bitreich. Maybe a Gopherhole would be comfy? IRC & Mumble gets bland quick.

>>63778 searx is also a mess of python and will be a waste of resources on very tiny servers

>>63780 Yuck, I didn't know it was written in python, thanks

>>63781 it is merely uwsgi running python that just makes a bunch of requests to other search engines and parses it to results to then display on its own site. it gets way more praise than it deserves

I don't really consider myself part of the Lainchan webring anymore (no 19-year-old incel sperging about "muh anime girl worship", I'm just not much into imageboards nowadays) but I've restructured part of my Tor link list to feature sites with Lainchan-style 240x60 banners. http://xanthexikes7btjqlkakrxjf546rze2n4ftnqzth6qk52jdgrf6jwpqd.onion/rollcall/tor.html I2P sites on the I2P list elsewhere on my site, but I don't have enough sites on that one to justify putting a huge chunk of banner images on that. New banner that took me more than minute to make in GIMP unlike the previous one I posted. You can update your listing for my site if you want. Or don't, if you don't want to. It's not a big deal.

>>63786 can you post i2p link for i2p users? :D

>>63789 http://mqtlargpv4247iylywxw6ibi6qpz6my5duqm33c4lcdhjg5yfh7q.b32.i2p/ Again, the I2P list isn't long enough to justify putting up banners, but every webring site I've found that hasn't gone offline for more than a consecutive month should be listed.

>>63792 yeah it seems like i2p people come and go and the most stable sites are people who mirror their website from the clearnet

>>63521 lainon, b-but im a boy...

>>63786 >"muh anime girl worship", I'm just not much into imageboards nowadays So you're a normal user, and you're proud of that?

>>63796 Stop lurking and practice what you preach, q*rg.

>>64009 not lain but qorg (which runs kill-9) hung up his hat last thread, >>61656 i had meant to ask why last thread but forgot

>>64014 >Shame, but is it only qorg or all of them? i can't seem to find any of theirs either :(

common lain make more sites I want more banners

>>64034 I'm working on it mom.

>>63537 > blogs are still an excellent source of info and entertainment Every single blog from here goes like this: >Hello I'm Steve I like Free software and anime and I don't like phones and Bill Gates with NEGLIGIBLE variation.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Be nice. Helpful criticism about content is fine, but not when you throw every webring site into the trash simultaneously.))

>>64051 >Hello I'm Steve I like Free software and anime and I don't like phones and Bill Gates I don't like anime, and I think free software is meh. I do hate phones though, mostly

>>64051 Au contraire, mon ami. https://sftn.github.io https://mm4rk3t.neocities.org https://sizeof.cat https://tinfoil-hat.net They contradict your "NEGLIGIBLE" evaluation. But sure, whatever you say.

https://freakyjewishladies.neocities.org/

<a href="https://freakyjewishladies.neocities.org/"><img src="image/banners/index_240x60.png" alt="FJL" /></a>

>>64051 It's virtue signalling, like much of this chan's body. Virtue "counter-signalling" if you're feeling more generous. Something else that bothers me is the amount of telling, as opposed to showing. Consider a quality "personal website" like https://www.gwern.net/ . It's not saturated with cute blurbs like "this is where I list the books that I've read! :3c" or "I'm really passionate about x" - it's saturated with quality, extensively hyperlinked and cross-referenced content about x. You *really*, *definitely* know that something is actually there when it has to be pointed out for you explicitly. So in head-touching-floor-bowed deference to the janny warning, I submit: show, don't tell, for a better website, if you care. Everyone here's seen one before, so don't try and fool us.

>>64361 php, plain html, some apis which are also just php tape it works out

>>63471 Just curious if there's a directory or txt file in which you would like those participating in the webring to place our graphic banners? Or is just placing a pic here good enough? Thanks.

Any of you folks hosting their websites on a home server? I do and I will meet family for 2 weeks and will have to power down my server if I am gone, because I don't want to set my house on fire. If https://tinfoil-hat.net is at December offline, you can be sure it will be available again

>>65190 >when you could run an 1$ VPS with apache2 / nginx and unattended upgrades Not in my country. Thus, neocities is free.

>>65191 okay, got me. it's 2$ https://virmach.com/pricing/

>>65193 IONOS is pretty goot as well https://www.ionos.com/servers/vps

>>65199 I host on my HP Microserver. That's why I have to power down my webite at cristmas. see >>64886

I got an email a few hours ago saying that the domain concealed.world was available for purchase. It didn't say for how much, but I tried bidding $14 and I got an error saying it wasn't enough. Does anyone know if the webmaster is okay? Maybe they just gave up and disappeared without a trace? I'm not in any IRC servers, so forgive me if there was some drama off-site I missed > flood detected; post discarded

>>65209 Don't forget iHostArt's 5.5 euro/year VPS offer. Calin even throws in non-wooden racks for free! https://lowendspirit.com/discussion/4878/#Comment_107426

>>65190 I use neocities because I don't really have time to spend on working out webhosting shenanigans, maybe during the summer or a long break from university I can... I've wanted to be able to self host a lot of alternative internet things I use (mastodon, IRC, mumble, screenshot service, etc) just to get my more normal person friends more interested in that stuff, just haven't had the time. Figuring out this stuff has been really neat! It's just a timesink. Makes me value the neets that put up with dealing with this soykaf! On top of that neocities has a "community" through their website activity feed. While some use it as a social media, others use it to give feedback and comments on content, which is really useful and a lot faster than traditional email services. Hell, I even sent someone an email over cock.li and I'm not even sure they received it, so I definitely fuarrrked something up with my email client.

>>65384 I wouldn't recommend SD/MMC cards man. Too much 'fun' with them going corrupt as an OS on ARM/Pi systems if you turn on a bunch of services. If you are forced into that situation such as a Pi running the webserver. I'd make a cron job to back everything up weekly to someplace external. So, if the drive does nuke itself. well, you can swap out and downtime is minimized.

>>64821 Formatted the Hard Drive. Hidden Corner is back on tor. I'm not sure why the other networks aren't working, but I'll figure that out soon.

Been over year but I finally replaced all "under construction" signs with actual content now. Version 1.0 if you will: https://unpop.neocities.org/ you probably got me linked on your page already if you added all sites from gattsu's github

I'm currently using stagit for static html generation for git repos. The issue is that the code is awful and I'm looking for something better before I write it myself. Does anyone know of a git -> static html project I can use instead of stagit?

Hi, I am the admin of leftychan. Didn't know you guys had a project like this. Neat. Our board uses software that is actually of a fork of an earlier lainchan release, iirc.

>>65645 this, just one big bubble

>>65645 Yeah, don't want to be the third one to bash on it. But I used to visit leftypol and that place was a depression hellpit for various reasons. The userbase is really dogmatic and there's this constant doomerism about everything.

>>65431 Do "dig lain.la". You'll see I'm quad redundant. I just yank one out of DNS, fix it, and throw it back in the DNS rotation. For the Pomf backend, I can patch it and bring it back before anyone notices due to the massive caches at the edge, plus my physical hardware is fast as fuarrrk.

>>65885 sounds neat, but I don't know how to accomlish this. May you have a guide? I don't really know what to search for

I don't quite get the rejection towards blog the majority of lainons seem to have: I think even the most mundane blog it's a great attempt at breaking the social media dictatorship and going back to a much more intimate way of communication and expression. Maybe it's just coping, but I hope once I finish my web people will contact me and sing my guestbook the same way I did with all these blogs and pages. Just fuarrrking enjoy mundane stuff c'mon.

Sad that nearly half of all sits in webring are offline now ~.~

>>65936 >>65975 Do you prefer rather frequent but short Blogposts or long Blogposts not so frequent?

>>65976 Depends on what you mean by "frequent". I believe weekly or monthly updates are the way to go. More frequent (daily ?) would be unnecessary and to be fair a waste of time, both for the admin and the reader. So yes, I tend to prefer long blog posts with more content.

>>66212 I appreciate the communication. My intention is to just join webrings. I don't care if anyone visits. My website serves no ads and is personal. I don't currently have a blog, but intend to eventually because some webrings want one. If I regularly post on this website, will I eventually be allowed to join?

>>66216 Understood. I will explore the sites on the ring + the topics you mentioned and try my best to be accepted. I'll be around.

>>66216 hmm, from the ring i think sizeofcat's site fits your "needs", he writes mostly about security, cyberpunk and the likes.

>>66222 He has a pretty useful page regarding this very webring: https://sizeof.cat/post/lainring/

someone motivate me into updating my site the guilt is eating me yet i cannot physically be assed to do so

>>66260 You're not going to make it. I won't believe it til I see it.

>>66260 Think about what you're updating before you update it. I also recommend talking to others who code on a more day to day. I'm in two communities for webmasters solely to motivate myself to code. If you have a discord you can join one of them directly from my page, but I have also started a smaller community. The one on my page is specifically a neocities oriented server, and I've also bridged it to matrix. I can bridge the smaller server to matrix if people are interested.

I don't know how many people follow or crosspost on other imageboards and such, but after 8chan got shut down, many communities restructured into a webring with multiple imageboards and it has mostly failed in my opinion. I consider it to have failed because of disagreements and drama among a few of the administrators as to who is allowed in. In the scope of imageboards, while I don't think a webring is necessarily a bad idea, I do think that it would benefit greatly from some centralized authority creating standards and recognizing compliant sites similar just as technology companies and free software communities have done. I attribute 8chan's early success to the fact that there was virtually no global moderation other than the removal of illegal content and that this was enforced. Moderators being moderators and not administrators had no say in the site's operation and what could or could not exist, thereby allowing many niche communities to develop. The standards would govern what kind of imageboard software could be run and the necessary modification would need to make it private, secure, resilient, and the inter-connected with other imageboards (e.g. handling of cross-site links) as well as a solution to verify that the server is indeed complying. Such a standard doesn't need to be limited to imageboards, but it's a place to start. The scope of such standards would only cover administration and not content moderation. Would this be a good thread to discuss this or is it a little off-topic?

>>66460 I still believe that federation--a step above a voluntary web ring--is the answer to keeping small underdog image board communities alive and thriving. We need to take the threat of exclusivity and audience capture out of the hands of website moderation/admins with a federated system that allows posters to move from one instance to the next at any time without a loss in connectivity.

add stuff to wiby.me for more exposure. Its a search engine for classic websites.

>>66513 nice to still see activity, havent been keeping up actively as the threads keep dying down. but added finally

I posted it before but I've updated it some since. https://nosleepforme.neocities.org/

Is there a good guide out there on building a website step by step? I have some experience with HTML and can make simple pages but the rest of website design, making things to update my home page with links to articles etc. is a bit overwhelming. I do have a homepage and some pages made but I want something worth putting up before I put anything up

>>66796 github com/mochman/Bypass_CGNAT you can do something like this so you're still able to host your files at home, the ip address will be the VPS

>>66760 As >>66764 suggested, you use a static website generator (like Hugo or something) or convert markdown => HTML. But that being said, writing the HTML+CSS by hand gives you more freedom. You can use something like https://paletton.com/ or https://terminal.sexy to get a color scheme. You can follow this tutorial series: https://www.freecodecamp.org/learn/2022/responsive-web-design/ (but note that it starts from zero). W3Fools is also good for learning HTML+CSS, but the rest of the tutorials on that site suck. Before you start, you want to make a skel.html file and a global CSS file that you use for all other HTML files. At first, I recommend you fill it with lorem ipsum or similar. Also, learn CSS box model ASAP. I recommend you use HTML5, unless there is a reason to use XHTML or HTML 4. Using version control software is highly recommended but optional. I recommend Git (https://www.atlassian.com/git/tutorials) or Fossil (https://www.fossil-scm.org/home/doc/trunk/www/quickstart.wiki). The reason why using version control software is recommended is that keeping track of manual backups is hard (you can lose your work). Fossil is probably a little bit easier to use than Git (but Git is much more popular. Also, Emacs users should try Magit). There are actually more options (like Mercurial/Hg and Darcs) but I think you should start with Fossil or Mercurial. If you don't have a text editor, get Notepad++/Kate, VS{code,codium} or NeoVim/GNU Emacs (note that VSCode has telemetry, and Atom is dead). More good sites and resources: >(especially) Mozilla Developer Network: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn >https://web.dev >https://validator.w3.org || https://validator.nu/about.html >https://css-tricks.com >https://neocities.org || https://codeberg.page You can get pictures/gifs from: https://gifcities.org & https://pixabay.com/photos/ & https://www.flickr.com & https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page If you prefer a book, I have read Learning PHP, MySQL & JavaScript by Robin Nixon and it's pretty good (i recommend the 6th Edition or newer (?)). But don't bother with any backend code before you have your basic website ready). And basic (client-side) JS is probably enough at first. You can use <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1.0" /> to make your webpage more "responsive". Also, Whatever you do, use the browser developer tools/inspect element+error console! Crazy UNIX men would use M4 macros (it's basically the C PreProcessor on steroids): http://mbreen.com/m4.html & http://www.cs.stir.ac.uk/~kjt/research/pdf/expl-m4.pdf Also, For bonus points, make your website work without any JavaScript and add (free/libre) licenses to your JabbaShit code: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap.html (read it for background and how to actually do it). If you don't know which license to use, I recommend you check out: https://choosealicense.com For actually learning JS, check out W3Fools or Freecodecamp, and also use Mozilla Developer Network + read https://eloquentjavascript.net For inspiration: >https://motherfuckingwebsite.com + http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com + https://thebestmotherfucking.website >https://makefrontendshitagain.party >https://10kbclub.com & https://250kb.club & https://1mb.club >https://search.marginalia.nu & https://wiby.me & https://ahmia.fi

>>66801 >doing all this work for muh fail2ban what the actual fuarrrk am i reading. and back on topic you may as well just host your soykaf on a remote server at this point

is it possible to host a website on the clearnet proxied through tor/i2p/yggdrasil? i would rather not pay for a reverse proxy.

I've been having a blast playing around and designing my site, added lots of things since I first posted here. Now I have a functional even if somewhat scuffed guestbook, I made it from scratch since I really didn't want to rely on a third party host. It uses php to write the input to a json file and from there js script reads it and displays it. There is also a way for the webmaster to reply to comments, it's a bit hacky but it works! I might upload it to github if I have time tomorrow. https://articexploit.xyz:8443/ >>66876 thanks, saw your site too, looks pretty clean :) impressive list of webrings too!

>>66888 Thanks for the heads up. I'm still really new to this, so I'm not really sure how to do that, could you send the corrected snippet of code?

this is my site: https://mouse.services I added the links and images from the git link, ill add missing images and more soon, its under "love" -> "see them": https://mouse.services/seethem.html no rss atm - ill have to think of a solution for that

>>66891 Nice site! The webring's github is very outdated btw. If you want I have a zip download to all the images and html needed to display them. https://articexploit.xyz:8443/ring/

>>66915 I'm sorry T_T I am a student with limited time

>>66917 no worries I'm a neet with a lot of time Present Day, Present Time! AHAHAHAHAHA!

soooo... It's finally time :) https://vd1r.neocities.org/ this is my site https://vd1r.neocities.org/webring/webring for the webring section thanks to the (https://articexploit.xyz:8443/ring/) Lainon. You really helped me there :D I've been doing HTML+CSS stuff since September, this site is always up to be upgraded, sooo any advice is always well received c:

yooo! https://sadgirlsclub.wtf

>>67015 Half of your iframes don't load.

www.neetventures.com is my site. Some roboclown keeps posting gibberish in the comments. I'd prefer not to add captcha to my site, but I might have to if blocking their IP address doesn't work.

>>67066 fsck it until it goes away

Ok. I made my banner at 2400x600. Is that, like, a no-no here or we can't be bothered to just append width=240 height=60? God, I hate this digital art stuff. Takes me forever man. EDIT: Ok, I deleted the original one, cause I think this version is better...? Please, someone, put an end to my suffering.

>>67185 So when I export it at 240x60 / 10%, it's not amazing. What's the cutoff point here in terms of files size? Cause if I export at 50% I get 119kb. I agree, 300kb is a bit much. When it's ratio'd on a site, I'm happy with how it comes out.

>>67188 No bullying here! You may not know why these rings sorta died off in the first place. And it's a little more than 'google became a thing'. I'll try to explain. You may have seen websites on .onion or .i2p appear here. One, in particular, is exclusive to these protocols. Thus, the entire JS on a typical webring would fail for anyone not operating on a clearnet address. Because of Javascripts reputation. Some web-admins flat-out forbid it from their site. As third party JS code loaded off of an external site could be easily modified for damage to be done. Justified paranoia. In a decentralized fashion like what Lainchan proposes. People like that are not excluded. The threat is minimal as it's images that can be re-uploaded and links that can be inserted into a website with a text editor. Now granted, it's not a perfect solution. It requires web-admins to find ways to update their listings. To those who post their link and walk away. Their listings will be massively out of date with 404s everywhere. But from an accessibility standpoint it's rather solid. - S

>>67188 That idea is really lovely, I have always loved these little guys. I have another webring that uses this feature; however I have yet to format it. If you'd like to have the option to utilize this, feel free to share the code and I'll add it to my github page for users who want to use it as well!

While we're on the topic of projects that could be of interest to people here: I recently learned about the concept of Planets (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_(software)) / consolidated RSS feeds. In gist, they collect posts from the members of an internet community and display them on a single page. Whether it is something desired or not, I've begun collecting and intend to host the rss / atom feeds of the member sites. Something I'm surprised is not done on the GitHub repo, btw. Here's a sample: https://cabbagesorter.neocities.org/rss.xml https://cool-website.xyz/rss.xml https://www.cozynet.org/feed/ https://foreverliketh.is/blog/index.xml https://getimiskon.xyz/rss.xml https://jakesthoughts.xyz/rss.xml https://dataswamp.org/~lich/atom.xml https://sizeof.cat/index.xml (or atom.xml) https://blog.tinfoil-hat.net/index.xml https://urof.net/articles/feed.xml & https://urof.net/blog/feed.xml https://yukinu.com/feed/rss.xml Some of these are not straightforward to find, might I add. So if someone is aware of a catalog of these in one place, I'd appreciate you sharing it with me. As for the Planet project, I wouldn't know how, but I can, and will, host a list of feeds.

>>67247 Cosmica123 has an OPML containing most feeds of the webring, https://cosmica123.neocities.org/en/webring/lainchan-webring.opml Also some sites list their RSS link in the HTML head, so you could try looking for them using a script.

>>67260 Something else to consider is that there are ways of creating them for the site, I believe... But perhaps that doesn't respect their autonomy, as >>67249 demonstrates. And the methods are probably jank. Thank you for mentioning Cosmica123's collection & the hunting advice.

>>67247 This is what I imagine a "planet" looking like: feedgrid.io/u/452UdjLv4oWdKPLzfrvZ3t2VkUidhTmjiwxMd7FeHgZkSJrwa3d77zrPQQcvZaNi5EQwdFyjmXHwJuHkwonsKge9vsZMy2nFwy5rLji2c7knSuMVFqTMyKrrfr2szUhn/lainchan-webring I've never seen one though, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Ideally, it wouldn't be by this rando 3rd party site. Pissed me off even more cause some feeds it just spat back: "We're sorry! We don't trust the domain 'example.com' enough to add this feed into our system." Like, go fuarrrk yourself. >>67264 I didn't JSON could be a feed? Your so.cl sounds a bit like a planet, no? Aren't you serving other feed posts on your site via it? So your feed offerings would look like this: https://sizeof.cat/atom.xml or https://sizeof.cat/index.xml or JSON feed (don't know where) & https://sizeof.cat/socl.xml

>>67299 I have messed up my DNS, should be up soon again

>>67461 just checked, you're right, sorry

>>67413 https://www.w3schools.com/html/

>>67755 truly very nice! like th PhySec section

>>67413 Depends on what you're calling "old web". From 1999-2014 the standard for HTML was HTML 4.01, and most sites would have used HTML 4.01 Transitional. This likely represents the majority of content most people 20-40 have memory of on the internet. W3C probably has archives of the published standards, but let's be clear: in the same period, you're also in the heyday of IE6/WinXP, so you're not necessarily going to find live sites 100% targeting standards because IE6 wasn't 100% compliant, especially re: CSS rendering. If you want to learn how people were actually doing it back then, I'd look at tutorials on htmlgoodies.com through wayback machine. I started learning from that site back in around 2002, and the site stays self-similar until later in the 2000s decade. They had a major update that you can see the results of in at least 2007, and they're still around teaching modern webdev today, but I think most people go to W3Schools anymore for that. The earliest timeframes of this site teach pre-4.01 HTML, and he seems agnostic to CSS until the second half of the 2000s decade, which is pretty realistic for how people thought back then due to the fact that lolno one could rightly pass the acid tests anyway. Do note well though: You can't necessarily write code like it's 1999 or 2004 and expect things to work as intended or be safe. When IE6 died with the fall of XP, people started to drop support for certain older tags in HTML in newer browsers in order to push modern web standards. <blink> is the biggest one I'm aware of, but I'm sure we'll see most ancient tags like <font>, <tt>, <frameset> etc lose support as we go forward. Many still-supported tags may also lose their deprecated attributes. This is similar to how we lost flash! You can reimplement these as undocumented tags via CSS, but that's a modernist trick, not oldschool development. With dynamic content, you should absolutely avoid imitating the old ways entirely -- it simply isn't safe! Perl-CGI is deprecated and no longer updated, and even PHP is now on major revision 8, vs. 5 from back when most of the internet was written. With dynamic content, security starts to become a concern, so using old versions of code can be dangerous. Example: PHP 5 queries mysql with a function set prefixed mysql_* mysql_real_escape_string() could sanitize against injection, but didn't take into account character encoding, so it could be bypassed if you knew what you were doing. In PHP 7+, they deprecated this and brought out mysqli_*, and it's version of the escape string function takes a connection to the DB in order to fetch the encoding and thus isn't vulnerable. because of this, actually writing a mysql query the old way would simply be a security risk! So keep your back-end modern!

>>67755 did you make those epic assets yourself or are they ripped

>>67852 Yeah, i deleted the post. This guy https://articexploit.xyz:8443/ ended up having a zip of a lot of/all of the banners and links, so i used that to build out my links page instead. So i didnt think ot warranted a response... But yeah, the github is definitely short on banners.

>>67863 Alright, done everything. Thanks for providing the json and banners! Really made it easier than if I had to do it manually. >>67868 Thanks. Also good to see you here. Take care!

>>68263 what do you (and everyone else!) use for logging in order to track this? Right now I just use default nginx access and error logs, which are pretty ok. Goaccess analyzes everything.

>>68303 Not him, but i track use like this: >siem logs I do a daily security review, and see WAF output, and 401, 403 and 404 type stuff. This mostly gives me visibility for bots, though, although i also tune security rules from this too (the WAF is too aggressive sometimes). >access logs My site is tor only, so i cant just grep by IP or useragent. My site uses custom fonts though, so i make the assumption that each 200 for the fonts represents a human user landing on the site for the first time. So i usually just do like a cat accesslog | grep 127.0.0.1 | grep " 200 " | grep -c font.ttf

>>68482 Welcome back. Thank you for sharing that it's back online and saving me the trouble of finding out for myself. I too love your color scheme. I've moved you out of my copies dead / lost section. I encourage you to complete your copy of the webring. I also encourage you to begin blogging. People here seem to appreciate blogs, and I think it's possible for you to learn to appreciate writing them. I know I did.

>>68495 Good idea, I will put some links for the music! I will write out my mail like that, that's better >>68496 I'm going to install a blog, and update my webring which hasn't been updated for a long time!

>>68499 All done! http://trrb.xyz/blog/ & http://trrb.xyz/blog/feed.rss

is putting donation links on your lainchan site shameful?

>>68520 Nah, man. More based than ads. Bonus points if it's an XMR address.

>>68520 I don't consider it shameful. Not against OP's rules either. A website can cost money. If you host yourself and cover the electric and hardware up-keep that all costs money. Do the VPS or bare-metal remote rack thing which is also money. Or the topics you cover require money to research. The net doesn't run on rainbows and positivity bursting out of our chests all of the time. It's actually engrained into web history like webrings with the whole 'Buy me a Beer" link. Where if you thought the information was helpful or entertaining. you can send that individual currency/gasoline caps/3D0 game discs/etc. As long as it isn't in your face (example: Aggressive pay-gating like a journalist site). Then all is good to me as a reader.

>>63471 https://www.seththyer.com/ https://seththyer.com/banners/banner.gif https://seththyer.com/feed.xml

>>68592 probably depends a lot on the company and the job being applied for. Lead engineer at Microsoft? They'd probably not even respond. Junior dev at a crypto startup? Could work in your favor.

I'm kinda fed up with so many bots crawling my site and checking to see if I have any vulnerabilities. I have quite a simple site, so I'm considering perma-banning any requests that result in a 400, 404, or 500. Plus any clients that request /robots.txt. I'd save all their IPs in a text file and return a 403 response using nginx: http { geo $blocked_ips { default 0; include /path/to/blocked-ips.txt; } server { ... location / { if ($blocked_ips) { return 403; } ... } ... } } Has anyone done something similar?

>>68628 Ban anyone with an old or dead link. Sounds charming.

>>68629 my site is small and new enough that links will continue to exist. >>68632 >1 it is done automatically, so that's fine >2 I can delete the ban file every 3 months

>>68628 And what happens when someone purposely spam-requests some nonexistent pages (404) with a ton of Tor exit node IPs in order to make your site inaccessible over Tor because of your liberal blocking? That's not very lain of you to just roll over like that

>>68628 >>68651 >So I guess others have this problem (lots of robots) and don't do anything about it? yes, you stupid fuarrrking script kiddie. blocking bots/thing i dont like was not a thing until cluckflare and the herd of nu webdevs started blocking it with dumbass reasoning like yours

>>68657 a WAF/IPS is literally a meme for dumbfucks like you to waste money on any real attacker will just get around it >b-b-b-b-but it blocks CVE-XXXX so does updating software

>>63471 Web security is certainly a valid discussion in /tech/ but perhaps it should be its own thread? I want to see new websites!