The Future of Apple and the Hackintosh

Not that I have any particular desire to do so, but with the lack of consumer ARM processors and AI accelerators, will we ever see Apple software running on non-Apple computers again? I'm curious to experiment with Darwin if any of you have experience to share.

apple's m1 is pretty much an iphone cpu on steroids. we havn't seen ios running on non apple hardware since it's release 15 years ago. if you really want, get into hackintosh now while you still can. will be dead in 5-8 years.

>>61047 From what I see, hackintosh will stop being a thing when Apple decides to fully transition to ARM processors. I doubt we'll see any non-Apple ARM SoCs to run any macOS version. At best, hackintosh will be continued with community-made versions of macOS, like on PowerPC Macs.

Maybe yes, the Arm based laptops will be able to run much longer on battery, thus creating a market pressure for other manufacturers. I don't think x86 can compete with Arm, so it will be a matter of time before we start seeing many other Arm devices. On desktops it's a different matter though.

>>61054 x86 is really not that special. Yeah, maybe ARM isn't competing in that space right now but give it a few years and more and more desktops could get replaced by an ARM or OpenPOWER system (if you have the money). Plus I think a lot of people in businesses and the government are realizing what a soykafshow x86 is from a security perspective (see SMM and various rootkits related to it).

>>61047 i had a hackintosh netbook back in the leopard days and it wasn't worth the hassle. a friend of mine still has one that seems to stuck on cat - at this point, why bother? i use a M1 mini and a x220/fedora and the latter is pretty good nowadays and almost look and feel like macos.

>>61047 I'm glad that Apple is moving to ARM, though. Also Is PureDarwin still a thing? In my opinion Hackintosh doesn't make much sense. It's completely unsupported and Mac OS has worse software compatibility than Windows (I'm not telling you to use Windoze). I think you really should use GNU/Linux instead. Rice it or select a pre-riced distro. I would recommend Xubuntu for a beginner.

>>61047 I used to be really into the hackintosh scene from around 2011-2018, and one of the reasons I got out of it (apart from macOS getting worse and worse with each release) was that I knew when Apple switched to ARM (there were rumours as early as 2017) it was gonna be all over. These days I'm on Artix. Problem is, each "architecture" of ARM is kinda different so programs compiled for one ARM CPU might not necessarily run on another, and who knows what custom proprietary junk Apple is throwing into their CPUs that manufacturers like Rockchip or Qualcomm would never have a hope of implementing. Now that being said you might see modded kernels coming out targeting specific chips; the community has made custom kernels for heaps of things in the past like Celerons or AMD CPUs, but I wouldn't expect a wide variety of support. >>61268 As far as I know PureDarwin hasn't had a fully-functioning release since the Darwin used in Leopard 10.5, so glhf trying to run anything modern on it. Even if it did run, you wouldn't be running "macOS" so to speak since EVERYTHING except the base system is proprietary, you wouldn't get Quartz or Metal or Cocoa. Still a neat project tho.

>>61370 >I used to be really into the hackintosh scene from around 2011-2018 man i remember doing hackintosh on my old computer, trying several versions of clover because not all of them wroked right and having to try different versions of .efi files to find the right ones that worked, was a big celebration when i finally got it to boot into the actual installer, and after that their was another challange getting it to boot of the hardrive, man imagine thinking you done basically the Computer Equivalent of making the philosophers stone in alchemy only to find out that it can't boot from the hardrive and then prying to god that theirs a solution out their for whatever ancient draconian black magic apple uses to keep their os from booting on non-apple hardware, and don't mention the hardware compatibility it had basically zero support even with user-made drivers for what hardware i was using, the only thing that worked with some finicking around was the networking, everthing else either didn't work(audio) or was bugged to a certain degree(video), all and all it was a good time, also i probably know more about apples soykafty boot process then like 99% of the people working for apple, ofc disincluding the people that actually programmed it.

>>61373 oops, should have formated this, now it looks like a schizo rambling.

>>61373 Yeah man tell me about it, when I first got in I was pretty young so obv had no clue what I was doing. Unbeknownst to me at the time the laptop I was trying to hackintosh had incompatible graphics (Intel HD first gen had some framebuffer issues) so I was never able to get past the installer on anything higher than 10.6.6 which was when the faulty drivers for it were introduced. I ended up building my first computer purely so that it could be a hackintosh, chose all the compatible parts and everything. Install went super smooth and I felt like an absolute g.