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Internet and the Power of State

Drano · 2022-06-12 05:58
Hello , recently the place where I live the state shut down the internet , all our mobile towers and Wi-Fi networks were not working properly. it was for a day but it made me realise how powerful a state is. Is there a way I can have Internet access even when the state decides to do something like this?
Agent Richard Gill · 2022-06-12 06:00
>>60662 If your state does that, I think you got bigger problems to worry about
Incognito · 2022-06-12 06:32
>>60663 OP Here There were legit reasons for this but then I would have to doxx my location because of it. So I wanna any solution.
Aristóteles Amadópulus · 2022-06-12 09:20
>>60662 Best solution if the local infrastructure is shut down is probably satalite internet through starlink. Otherwise, some ham radios are capable of connecting to the internet meaning you can still get internet if the local repeaters are still functioning or if the ionosphere is feeling nice that day (very slow, but it can work). Do keep in mind that this 2nd option can be illegal and has about the same stealth factor as a strobe light in a dark room, so make sure to check your local laws first.
Nell · 2022-06-12 21:40
if you live closeenough to a border, get a prepaid sim card for the neighbor country. won't always work but sometimes can.
Judge Fang · 2022-06-14 10:56
I'll be the do-mer of the thread, but since internet is centralized and can be easily shut down by a state like OP experienced, I think we should all understand that our ability to connect to internet only relies on the people in power's will. So just make sure you don't rely too much on online data in case they were to be taken away from you, always
Switch · 2022-06-15 01:25
>>60747 TCP/IP is pretty damn decentralized. The issue is the resources and collaboration required between people to set up their own internet service. It would be akin to trying to build your own interstate.
Batou · 2022-06-16 13:33
>>60762 Yeah, in our country we have a lot of small Wi-Fi ISPs. Carrier DSL prices were overpriced as fuarrrk back then, so people built their own networks.
Nobody special · 2022-06-16 13:52
>>60762 lainon, you can TCP/IP as much as you want, if the government cuts the internet cables going out of the country I don't think your TCP/IP will go through
Nobody special · 2022-06-16 14:10
>>60807 this is easy to do on non-island countries >>60747 >>60662 there are solutions get a foreign sim if you live in a non-island, clear line of sight like a mountain and use a beam antenna. I don't recommend boosting its tx/rx power though as it boosts incoming noise too. if possible and if using a directional, try to block its back with either a metal or a chunk of land like a mountain or a building. if it helps, you should stock up on modem routers with different bands based on your and your neighboring regions and maybe live in the border. there are expensive solutions like global satellite phones and provide some unreliable but worldwide internet (aimed for seafarers and travel people) or maybe starlink. a state that disables the internet is retarded as it would hurt local businesses and pretty much is a soykafpool. just pray that it's over soon. if the above isn't possible, I guess the solution is just stock up on things you can use as backup or backup some files so you're not left bored until the wait is over.
Tequila · 2022-06-20 17:16
>>60810 OP here It disabled the internet for a day cus communal riots happened over here. Usually it never does.
Spooky · 2022-06-20 20:01
>>60662 Sounds like you're looking for a technological solution, especially considering the board, but even though I usually hate that guy, I think I'm going to have to become him for this subject. At some point we have to come to terms that we only get to keep out things if no one wants them or if someone will protect them. Running away technologically is a great temporary measure, but if you're not making things get better you're letting them get worse in the long run. Say, >>60747 This is true in the short term, but who's to say the dudes with guns won't come for you computer after they've taken away your internet? Sure the second is harder, but that doesn't mean that it won't happen, only that it probably won't happen today. Warrants? Probable cause? Charges? Seems they already don't care. Etc. Once the police are working against you instead of for you, it's time to pick up a rifle (or make the 3d printer go brrrr depending on where you live) and get working on readying your house and practicing fieldcraft. Organize your buddies, and draw a line in the sand once you've got enough of them. By all means, use the technological dodge today, but plan for something else tomorrow. The only bottom-line way to stop someone from physically cutting you off the internet (or anything else) is to physically restrain them. Physical violence isn't convenient and it's not pretty and it's not cheap and it's not fun to prepare for, but what else can you really do? Not even satellite will save you if they're caving in the head of anyone caught with a dish. The good news is that you're not exactly organizing a political revolution. "Maybe we should be allowed our hard drives and transfer protocols in peace" is a much easier sell than "maybe we should reorganize the whole of society along my five hundred page manifesto of [X]", so you'll probably find more friends more easily, especially if things start getting even worse. Beats trying to secure an entire backbone alone. Sure, politics is just the formalization of force, but you're not formalizing much here, so it will barely feel like it.
Lunch · 2022-07-06 14:55
>>60662 india? i recently heard a radio feature about a region where the gov't will shut down all internet and mobile phone communications sometimes for months a time just to fuarrrk with seperatists and dissidents.
Batou · 2022-07-06 21:35
>>61015 >"Maybe we should be allowed our hard drives and transfer protocols in peace" is a much easier sell than "maybe we should reorganize the whole of society along my five hundred page manifesto of [X]", so you'll probably find more friends more easily, especially if things start getting even worse. You would be surprised. The instant people hear of any organization that works against the state, the first thing they think is "who is involved with this and do they share my political beliefs?" For instance many liberals will instantly assume you're a conservative come to shoot up their schools if you even talk about having a gun.
Tomohisa "Tom" Kanezaki · 2022-07-08 02:17
When Iran shut down its residential internet access for 2 weeks in 2019, my friend got a VPS on an Iranian datacenter, chained it to a German datacenter, and went back to exploiting Minecraft servers with the rest of us. Most countries will not block corporations from accessing the internet in the event of a blockage, and will not cut their own country from the intranet. If even the intranet is down, you will need to rely on alternative infra, favoring the air as a medium rather than wires.
Unidentified · 2022-08-07 15:32
>>60662 Governments are likely only going to give (local) ISPs orders to shutdown. That might leave radio and satellite options. There are amateur radio networks that bridge comms to internet/PTSN and satellite ISPs that are global. Also, there are mesh communications options like briar that will work in absence of a network with locals.
Just another Random Lainon · 2022-08-07 17:02
>tfw the only ISP in my country is literally a state company (by law it's a state monopoly) because muh socialism I wanna get out ahhhhh
Crazy Jake · 2022-08-24 06:03
>>61514 OP here That my friend is Kashmir you heard about. A lot of Separatism is there.