Dumb & Feature Phones

Are any of you guys using one? I spent the last month searching for a smartphone that had a removable battery and was officially supported by Lineage OS. Unfortunately, I simply could not find one, or even anything close to one. My only other option now is a non-smartphone. I spent some time researching and found picrel, a Nokia 6300 4G. I was considering a Light Phone, but it's way too expensive for what it is. My question is: are these things still practical today? I'd really only be using mine for calls, texts, and music playback. Do you think it'll work on most carriers, at least in the US? And to anyone who's fully embraced the dumbphone experience, how have you been holding up?

No. For security reasons, you should use either an iPhone, or a Google Pixel. If you choose a Google Pixel, you should install GrapheneOS on it. You should never buy phones from mobile network operators because they do not allow you to install GrapheneOS. Do not buy phones which are EOL. Only buy the newest phone and upgrade every 1-2 years.

>>59835 >you should use either an iPhone, or a Google Pixel. >Only buy the newest phone and upgrade every 1-2 years. >For security reasons Please explain this logic.

yes sure its practical. lots of people use them. Companies will try to jew you by trying to get you to use a plan that involves heaps of downloads though, but plans exist that aren't that bad. If you're already willing to pay for a nromiephone plan then it shouldn't be a problem. I haven't gone full dumb/feature phone because I don't have a phone, but last time I tried to get into phones I used a dumbphone and it could call and do texts and stuff.

>>59836 Dumbphones are not secure because they lack verified boot, exploit mitigations, sandboxing, etc.

>>59838 a lot of these are mitigations against risks from a) running lots of random software that might be malicious, and b) accessing the internet dumb phone does neither. problem solved.

>>59834 you get PSTN and a corded phone for $2 from the thrift store >bb-b-but it's not sexy found the problem >>59836 he's an autistic di ckfuc k who thinks whatever latest security gimmick the big 4 push out are mandatory

>>59839 I'm not that lain (he's baiting you btw) but most modern "dumb" phones, including the Nokia 6300 4G, run KaiOS, have internet access, and have apps. KaisOS vulns aren't as common as Android or ios vulns, but they surface every few months.

I'm looking to switch to a dumbphone sometime soon. Does lain know of a model that ONLY makes and receives phone calls? Should not be capable of touching the internet at all.

>>59853 Sunbeam phone (The Dandelion model) is the only one I'm aware of that can do that. https://sunbeamwireless.com/

>>59853 Basically any 2G feature phone.

>>59879 2g services is actually being cut down drastically in much of the world, isnt it ?

>>59834 I recommend Wingtech wt88047 (a xiaomi phone) which are sold online. It is cortex a53 so it's probably native 64-bit and 100x better than any of those dumbphones or meme phones, then either flash (discontinued) Lineage17.1 or Postmarket. Nokia is kind of a scam these days, it has Whatsap and Facebook spyware preinstalled (by Meta) and the only good project on it are GerdaOS which are sadly a larp os developed by devs who personally use google platform for release/tracker of this "privacy" fork while the only phone supporting them are like 1 and discontinued or unavailable anywhere. It's also much worse since the new Nokias are S30 or KaiOs and can't even run the good ol' java apps. It's not even worth developing stuff in (pale moon / kaios RT) than just developing with archaic j2me tools and the best one can do is jailbreak for nonexistent community or proprietary apps (e.g, Wechat). If jailbreak is the best it can do, you might as well get a refurb iPhone which probably has better jailbreak experience or otherwise official security updates (from security perspective, banking apps etc.). >My question is: are these things still practical today? I'd really only be using mine for calls, texts, and music playback. Not really. unless you badly need the T9 keyboard and 4G >US There's your problem.

>>59836 Not that lainon >you should use either an iPhone, or a Google Pixel. Official security updates are good if you personally use the phone for your identity, banking/finance, and government stuffs. I guess android Go is also fine as long as they get both vendor and OS security updates like Pixel (some manufacturers lie and use soykafty fork of Go), iPhone is still okay since they still have like security/OS updates for phones back in like 2015 which android can't. >Only buy the newest phone and upgrade every 1-2 years. >For security reasons It's another option for maximum security, just sell the phone every 1-2 years, pretty sure someone would still buy it and use it to fund your next purchase.

>>59834 I use the nokia in OP for daily use. It's a little more expensive than a lot of smart phones these days, but it does have some practical features like removable battery. With 4G, it also works as a WIFI hotspot. It also has Google maps baked into it and has GPS if you normally use your phone to navigate, which might be practical in a sense. Reminder that the German government used to find people based on the people who always used cash and also tried avoid using the system at all. It has removable dual sim which is nice if you have multiple numbers, and IIRC all of the apps are removable including the facebook bloatware that is preinstalled for 3rd world normal people. The sound is good, and it has a built in MP3 player and headphone jack. I haven't used the MP3 player, but I got it exclusively for calls anyway. I use the built in whatsapp to talk to people around the world, yes I know faceberg is evil, but most normal people I have to interact with for work refuse to actually into security. The tl:dr is unless your threat model has national governments in mind, in which case just don't use a mobile phone, you probably are not at a very high risk by using an economy model phone that presents a low target to hackers. If nothing else, take the battery out unless you want to use it.

>>59880 My own carrier is dropping 3G in a few months.

>>59876 Thank you for the suggestion, but... >Bluetooth >WiFi I'm very well aware of the security issues with modern phones, but I absolutely refuse to give in to consumerism and swap my phone every 2 years -- it makes absolutely no sense, and is precisely why I wanted to get a dumbphone, but it seems like that's also not practical anymore at least long-term since 2G/3G seems to be going away in many places of the world. So, what would be the best approach (aside from switching your phone every couple of years, which is absolutely ridiculous)? I wonder how difficult it would be to buy a cheap phone and butcher it to the point where any wireless communication aside from the mobile network is impossible.

>>59880 They are in the North America and Asia but in Europe 2G works just fine in lot of countries.

reminder that apple loves you (as privacy has been one of their core principles). Seriously, I've been seeing this ad in cities everywhere. https://www.apple.com/privacy/

>>60207 >one eye symbolism no thanks

>>60207 apple posturing as a privacy advocate is the equivalent of a government denouncing the use of force by some organizations, plain virtue signalling that in reality advocates that they be the only ones who hold that power. The reality of the situation apple has created for itself is more honest than their advertising campaigns: for consumers of apple products, apple is the only company who can egregiously abuse customer data. I previously never thought about it, but the monopoly board game should have tiny little figures dancing around cheering on the player as he takes on the task of dominating the entire housing market, cheered on by people like you of course.

>>59835 soykafty bait >>59838 why are you using a phone for anything having to do with security? Buy a 30 dollar computer and have all the "security" you need.

>>60209 yes, but can you point out specifically what Apple has done?

>>60211 >DOODE TRUST US >.... but we didn't do anything untrustworthy YET, right? >WHERE IS THE PROOF? dude, your logic is so flawed its kindergarden level flawed

>>60212 Hey man, you not having an actual argument isn't my problem. That, misusing the quoting feature, your stupid image macro, and inability to spell "kindergarten", all make you look like a bandwagoning idiot.

>>60212 how is asking for actual reasons flawed logic? Is this more soykafty bait?

>>60213 >>60214 >trust a company even though multiple other times companies that said they could be trusted betrayed the trust of their users *yawn* Yea, blindly trusting a corporation or individual makes you really intellectual

Got an unlocked and Lineaged LG G5. The only problematic part would be the unlocking, since LG terminated and nuked all traces of its unlocking pages.

>>60209 > the monopoly board game should have tiny little figures dancing around cheering on the player as he takes on the task of dominating the entire housing market, What do you think the bank is? <-- >>60212 >dude, your logic is so flawed its kindergarden level flawed You're the one making childish personal attacks instead of addressing the argument. 1. just because someone can do something doesn't mean they will do something 2. past behavior shapes reputation, reputation indicates future behavior >I don't trust anyone because im edgy and woke like that Ok but your threat model is not everyone else's threat model.

>>60211 I mean, there have been some amount of instances that have accumulated over time. But you don't even need to ask me, many of these have been noted and documented by people like Louis Rossman (maybe not the best example since they are more difficult to find). I'll try to give some later though. I wrote that post slightly agitated, it's hard to see people defend one of the highest grossing tech companies that can just by sheer size not be as defensible. Maybe I should not that for a case like apple, it's not even clear cut. I'm very certain there are departments or product teams that have implemented actual and to some degree effective privacy protections, while on the other hand other departments or product teams have deliberately chosen the opposite. It's not like all of apple is a homogenous fabric of evil. For many of the things apple does it's impossible to know because you would need an insider who can give you an actual and accurate perspective. The fact is that almost everything apple implements is in some way, shape or form locked down and cannot be investigated, from an actual security perspective it might as well just be considered compromised. I don't see how that is different for consumers and consumer privacy. Now, examples. There was this instance, I don't remember the precise version, but apple began removing parts of their API that some firewall applications used to display what network traffic is going on. Some of the network traffic by the system was just opaque going by what the API was reporting. These poor user space applications were just blind to the traffic of some privileged apple applications. That's already a gross violation of many principles. I've found this discussion in my history but there are articles too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24838816 There was another big instance that served as a huge red flag to me. It may have been during the same big macOS release, not sure, but applications were really slow to load for many users and it many people raised questions. It turned out, some (or all) applications phoned home to apple servers upon launch, the launches were slow and delayed because apple servers were down and they were timing out on those requests upon the launches of these applications. I think you can see why an application not starting before it reported the fact is problematic. (Maybe someone who can remember can link me up on that) So yeah, I hope that better clarifies my position. I just wish people stopped glorifying apple for privacy, it makes me sad that their PR is so effective. Keep in mind I am not >>60212

>>60220 >but apple began removing parts of their API that some firewall applications used to display what network traffic is going on So they made it harder for apps to spy on you? >applications were really slow to load for many users and it many people raised questions. It turned out, some (or all) applications phoned home to apple servers upon launch Obviously checking for malware. Gatekeeper was a security feature turned on by default because "Mac's don't get viruses" was a big selling point before Windows 10 and MS got their act together. That's it? A whole wall of badly spaced text for 2 examples? >I just wish people stopped glorifying apple for privacy, it makes me sad that their PR is so effective. It's not really "PR" when they really did tell the FBI to fuarrrk themselves. And unlike MS and Google they have no business model that involves exploiting private data.

>>60215 I never said I trusted them, I said YOU don't have a reason NOT to. Stop making soykaf up

>>60222 >So they made it harder for apps to spy on you? They obfuscated the ability to see who is spying on you, regardless of whether it is Apple or some app. >Obviously checking for malware >Obviously That's the thing, you don't know if it's checking for malware. And why would an application need to check for malware everytime it opens? >It's not really "PR" when they really did tell the FBI to fuarrrk themselves. That's what companies should be doing; Apple shouldn't be commended for doing the bare minimum and be seen as a paragon for privacy because of that. Given that gov't agencies also have machines dedicated to decrypting Apple phones, they shouldn't be considered secure (which, to be fair, is outside the purview of Apple, but needs to be taken into consideration regardless), especially so given that you cannot set up your own FDE on an Apple device. >And unlike MS and Google they have no business model that involves exploiting private data. Then why did it take them 20 years to take it out of their business model and publicly advertise it in a campaign? Why did they do it in the first place? Do businesses really do these types of things for no reason? You shouldn't be thinking this stuff if you thought any of it through, so I don't know why you're fervently defending Apple here. Do you have a device you can't get rid of for some reason? If so, sorry to hear that. Otherwise I can't think of one besides either the post being a well-crafted troll or you playing Devil's advocate for this thread.

i have old nokia from thift store and prepaid but soon i might need to switch to smart phone. how much my country relies now on smartphones its very difficult to even pay your bills without smart phone. few times a year i go to bigger city and its almost impossible to use cash to even buy bus/metro ticket. i hate smart phones so much

>>60220 >>60222 Why is it so hard for lains to do basic research? >Apple recording private conversations to improve voice recognition >Red flag system that scans all images on a users device >Breaches that Apple tries to cover up because muh reputation (Apple is not a secure device, because obscurity =/= security when it comes to how the system works) >Massive data collection on users to "improve services" (iirc this is the same verbage that faceberg uses) >Devices reenable features that make tracking easy without user input >Devices have unique advertising IDs built in always to "improve services" >Location data pings off nearby devices to improve accuracy, and also log proximity to other devices (google also has a variation of this function) If apple is the "only one" to spy on you, that doesn't mean you are safe, especially when all that data is kept somewhere

>>60235 It's hard to say a company cares about your privacy when they keep records and know more about you than your mom or wife.

>>60222 >It's not really "PR" when they really did tell the FBI to fuarrrk themselves. right after that one of their executives got jailed on questionable charges. Guess what the next dude did? complied. They tried but it didnt last long since feds dont play nice.

>>60229 >They obfuscated the ability to see who is spying on you, regardless of whether it is Apple or some app. The thing you linked to suggests it's only Apple's stuff that bypassed this new Network Extensions API? Did Apple actually rip out PF from the BSD part of OSX? Or is this drama just casuals crying because there is no idiot proof gui way of blocking traffic. >why would an application need to check for malware everytime it opens? Because ... bytes can like ... change.... How do you think software updates work. >Then why did it take them 20 years to take it out of their business model I don't know what you are referring to. Apple never had any kind of advertising business. >why are you defending a thing i don't like???? BECAUSE FUARRRK YOU THATS WHY. >>60235 >cell phones are basically tracking devices with microphones Thanks einstein.

>>60222 I don't know what to say to you you. Like >>60235 succinctly shows it's really not hard to find other instances, many instances, that would put into question how apple really operates and how important "user privacy" is to them. The child pr0n image scanning thing everyone was raving about not too long ago I didn't even mention, because I thought it recent enough not to have to mention it. Just for the fun of it, here is another sample article: https://www.androidpolice.com/apple-steps-up-union-busting-wtc-cwa-responds/ This one I didn't even seek out, it was sent to me by a friend who found it funny and ridiculous some time ago. It was changed though, it used to say more directly that apple retail workers trying to unionize were busted because they were using apple devices and apple platforms. Sure, you can look at each of these issues through a lens that paints apple as the one and only true savior corporation that is here to redeem us from the terror of other (more honest or less popular) corporations. As a matter of fact, it just so happens that apple has a wealth of information on all of its users on many different fronts that it can abuse whenever it likes. >That's it? A whole wall of badly spaced text for 2 examples? I was trying to argue in good faith, sorry if my aesthetics offended you. Unironically, go back to reddit, every post used to look like this before everyone got obnoxious. Why someone would go to such lengths to defend an entity as soulless as apple I'm not too sure. How do you think they became the biggest tech company? >It's not really "PR" when they really did tell the FBI to fuarrrk themselves. It is. Funnily enough, apple and its stranglehold on its userbase seems to me quite a valuable asset to the different 3 letter agencies of the US. It's not even debatable that they are cooperating and have cooperated with law enforcement on many issues. Don't you think law enforcement and apple can complement each other perfectly? After all, they both make it the primary object of their work to control their users.

>>60235 not to be that guy, but do you have conclusive sources on these?

>>60252 >>60235 >Apple recording private conversations to improve voice recognition This was based on a lawsuit. Also note how if siri is enabled, then it will by default always listen for the user to ask for it. >Red flag system that scans all images on a users device The infamous "scan everything for CP" feature >Breaches that Apple tries to cover up because muh reputation (Apple is not a secure device, because obscurity =/= security when it comes to how the system works) on top of iirc the recent javascript exploit which someone discovered actually worked on apples database, there are a number of high profile hacks https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2021/11/27/apple-iphone-warning-security-hack-pegasus-nso-group-iphone-warning-notifications/ >Massive data collection on users to "improve services" (iirc this is the same verbage that faceberg uses) there are a dozen or so privacy enhancing features that are disabled by default, and some of them may be disabled by other features or apps. reinforcing one of the papers referenced in this post. https://www.mactech.com/2022/04/26/study-apple-hasnt-benefited-from-its-app-tracking-transparency-feature/ >Devices reenable features that make tracking easy without user input this is a system feature, in fact, WIFI and Bluetooth will reenable after a certain time period unless explicitly disabled by going through 5 tiers of settings (pressing the disable button on the home screen is not permanent) this is really inconvenient. >Devices have unique advertising IDs built in always to "improve services" This is either a device specific opt-in ID (on by default iirc) or through device tracking, a paper written on their transparency can be found at https://arxiv.org/pdf/2204.03556.pdf >Location data pings off nearby devices to improve accuracy, and also log proximity to other devices (google also has a variation of this function) IIRC there is a combination of different devices, an advertising feature came out called iBeacons in i think 2013. there is also an option to "improve location" in the maps function, which refuses to give you anything closer than like 1000m unless you enable it. also see this article https://threatpost.com/apples-location-system-expose-identities/164615/

What are some cool side slide smartphones? I want a cool phone with a slide out camera

>>60251 >The child pr0n image scanning thing everyone was raving about not too long Don't use unencrypted cloud storage then. >Just for the fun of it, here is another sample article >To avoid eavesdropping by store managers and ensure they remain anonymous, the said employees have also reportedly been using encrypted chats and even Android phones. This is not evidence of anything except superstitions. >I was trying to argue in good faith Try harder then. >It's not even debatable that they are cooperating and have cooperated with law enforcement on many issues. Link or it didn't happen. >Don't you think law enforcement and apple can complement each other perfectly? Conjecture is not an argument. Especially when you're coming into this with "apple is like kicking dead whales down the beach rеее rее rеее" from the start. >>60263 >on top of iirc the recent javascript exploit which someone discovered actually worked on apples database, there are a number of high profile hacks Smart phones are not private by design. If you want to talk soykaf about security though, an iOS remote code execution bug goes for $2.000.000. That's not because Apple has "good marketing" or whatever.

>>60281 Holy fuarrrk lain! if only you could learn things without being spoonsfed lke a dumb NPC. Apple has a whole policy on giving infromation to law enforcement! >For government and law enforcement information requests, Apple complies with the laws pertaining to global entities that control our data and we provide details as legally required. For all requests from government and law enforcement agencies within the United States for content, with the exception of emergency circumstances (defined in the Electronic Communications Privacy Act 1986, as amended), Apple will only provide content in response to a search issued upon a showing of probable cause, or customer consent https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/law-enforcement-guidelines-us.pdf >We are also in the process of launching an online portal for authenticated law enforcement officers globally to submit lawful requests for data, check request status, and obtain responsive data from Apple. https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/government-information.html

>>60313 fuarrrking soyposter go back to 4chan.

>>60318 >Gets btfo >Spaghetti starts falling out of pockets I was curious for years if that apple spiel with the FBI was legitimate - It could spin multiple ways. It could have been arranged to give people a sense of privacy, but the follow-up was that they just cracked Apple's encryption anyway. And for them to just outright divulge sensitive enforcement tact, as if cracking that soykaf was done on a whiteboard over doughnuts, it doesn't add up. Then there's the Japanese attempted acquisition of the main apple device chip supplier that came after. IIRC the deal didn't go through because China cried monopoly. I think it might have been a geopolitical surveillance flex. Obviously the chips were. But the entire thing would need to happen without hurting Apple's wallet.

>>60320 If I had to take a guess, I would imagine the devil is in the details: >Police submit vague request >Apple says go fuarrrk yourself, we won't disclose trade secrets on our software >Never mentioned they would just give up the info if they say please and specify what they were looking for For most phones, this seems to be the case. Some are safer than others for various reasons. The phone in OP has a few advantages like having a removable battery and the camera being low quality and it can be taped over etc. The basic idea of phone privacy is that it can only give up information when you let it. Being able to physically limit that removes the need for conjecture about the sophisticated software or chip workarounds that may exist. Always assume your device is compromised or can be monitored as long as it functions. Removing the battery can severely hamper that.

>>60313 The hacker side of me makes me wonder how hard it is to get access to the police only portal, perhaps as a special agent from the zimbabwe interior security department?

Not one mention of the pinephone? Been using it as my daily driver for a while.

>>60330 its the dumb & featurephone thread pinephone is a smartphone irrelevant here

>>60327 >waaah go back go back lol nigger want me to post some CHILD PORN ? >want me to post some CHILD PORN ?

>>59834 OP, the Nokia 6300 4G is not a dumbphone; it comes with voice assistant, Meta and Alphabet software and who knows what else more... It’s a regular smartphone with the crippled UI of a dumbphone. Can anyone post a featureless phone (just call and text basically, camera optional) that supports at least the 4G network, preferrably 5G even? The Nokia’s I’ve been using these paat years all rely on 2G and the coverage in my country is getting worse and worse, although it’s officially supported for another 3 years. If this is an impossible request I guess I’ll go for a Google Pixel with Graphene OS or a second-hand Android p.o.s. and install Lineage... Surely I’ll manage to not get addicted to the telescreen again, right lain?

>>59962 I’m >>60344 and living in The Netherlands. Calls are often interrupted, don’t get through, or sound like they’re coming from Steve Jobs’ dead ass

>>60345 Sad! I'm in Northern Europe and my 2G dumbphone works perfectly fine.

>>60211 They have full access to your icloud storage and claim to have algorhythms that scan it for "child abuse images" ie whatever the fuarrrk they want

>>60553 It is unclear if they just hash all pictures and compare them to hash lists of known CP, or if they actively use ML to determine content. As I understand it, people were saying real dolls were flagging the system, so it is difficult to say. Dumbphones don't really exist outside of 3rd world countries, and even if they did, there is no way to have encryped communication on them because apple and google both use their own version of E2E encryption that are usually not workable with bricks. Also most brick phones now run android for simplicity.

OP here, figured I'd update you guys. I eventually settled on the Nokia 225 4g, mainly because it still has a 4g modem but comes without all of the KaiOS bullshit. It comes with a multitude of useful features, like a calculator, alarm clock, calendar, unit conversion program, flashlight, music player, voice recorder, and some other neat stuff. It also has a removable battery, and replacements can be found online for about $20 USD. If you're in the US (although I think it might be sold outside of here? might not have all of the right bands though) then I would say it's the one to get. I do have a few complaints though. It still uses a microUSB port (yes, I know it's a $50 device but how much more would it cost to implement type C?) and there is a Facebook icon you can't remove, but it's not an actual Facebook app and just opens up the early 2010s mobile site in the excuse for a browser this phone has. I did notice that some of the games do cost money, but as soon as my SIM card started working the paywalls went away. The camera is absolute garbage, and honestly while I shouldn't be expecting much I at least wanted a 2MP rear shooter. Also be sure to get the black model if you can, as the blue model I got uses glossy plastic instead of matte. Also here's a photo just to prove stuff. Excuse my sin for posting on /g/ (and as expected, the replies I got when I posted that were all useless and hateful).

>>60635 >enjoy getting group messages glitterboy Did you want the matte color for any specific reason? I got a 4g nokia that came in matte, but I don't think there is really a difference. Is there no way to remove facebook? I was able to remove it from mine by going into an installed programs thing. Mine also has KaiOS iirc, so that might be it.

>>60638 >>enjoy getting group messages glitterboy I'm pretty sure it does have group messages, although it's a pretty rudimentary implementation. >Did you want the matte color for any specific reason? The glossy plastic makes it a total fingerprint magnet. I have to wipe it down constantly. >Is there no way to remove facebook? Yup, there isn't. I'm not really concerned about it though as it's basically just a web bookmark on the homescreen. It's pretty annoying but Nokia does allow you to move it to the very bottom of the menu.

I'm currently using LG wine LTE now. That's android phone, but dumb. Small (when comparing with decent android smartphones), light, and cheap (also when comparing with android smartphones). It doesn't have google's soykafs like play store, youtube etc. not only google but also other soykafty ads like facebook, instagram etc are not installed, and can't be installed through common way like how you install apps in android smartphones. If you want to *really* install some apps, you can use adb. but many apps are gonna be broken. Also if you really want to install and use apps, i hope you won't choose this one because that's not the purpose of its.

Got an AGM M6 because I kept chucking around my smartphone like a baseball and needed something that could withstand my retard strength. No KaiOS, UI is clunky, but it is sturdy. I know other people buy feature phones because of privacy concerns, but then there are other security issues to worry about instead. You're kind of just hoping security by obscurity is enough. At least now, everything is geared towards breaking smartphones, that I don't think any malicious forces (unless they're really determined?) would bother trying to crack the phone. Unless they have access to cell tower data or whatever. That's sort of a different issue, I guess. >>60635 It's been a while, how is it working out for you?

The only thing I've found that is acceptable when it comes to phones is Samsung Galaxy S3 wih replicant on it. They've disabled bluetooth, gps, wifi and the gpu so the only thing working on that phone is basic features like data and calls. The replicant team found many flaws on the S3 like backdoors and leakages so they've fixed those, which lineageOS hasn't. Another great thing about the S3 is the battery can be removed and so can anything within the phone with just a screwdriver, no soldering needed. So if something breaks in it you just order another broken phone for parts. Repaired mine a bunch of times and it's dirt cheap. Can't believe no one here knows about this gem. Also, you need to know that there's something called modem isolation which means the cellular modem doesn't let anything gain access to the RAM or other things surrounded in the phone... Which all moden phones do. It's about the most secure phone you can get but you need to put some work into it.

>>61057 there had been dumphones reported to send rogue sms or receive rogue sms (both, without letting you know) so keep that in mind. some can also connect to the gsm network on their own and initiate the rogue attempts on your phone number (uses your phone number for account registration and send the One Time Password received to whatever chyna or russya entity that has control). also noticed, my SIM plugged on a dumphone I bought years ago would randomly eat up my sms credits.

>>61057 It's pretty nice. I got used to the T9 keypad really quickly since it has a predictive text feature. Also I just found out the screen is a TN panel, but it's okay in this case. For $50 I don't think you could get much better.

>>61065 So far I and my contacts haven't noticed any weird texts being sent like that but I will keep an eye out. A sacrifice to be made for escaping Googles networks. >also noticed, my SIM plugged on a dumphone I bought years ago would randomly eat up my sms credits. What model? Curious to know, would help other anons when purchaisng a phone as well >>61076 Nice to hear a good experience! I still can't get used to T9 again, not sure how we tolerated it before....

>>61057 I had one of these. The hardware was great but I quickly became frustrated with the poor quality SMS functionality. In particular it says it supports MMS but really doesn't.

>>61077 No one tolerated T9, T9 fuarrrking is like kicking dead whales down the beach. OG texting pros stuck with multitap.

>>61060 I'm looking for a RYF-like phone without the nuts and no I won't fall for "pinephone" or similar memephones like "librem". Although Samsung is great for its infinitely available battery replacement market, it sadly does not work have LTE (at least for Replicant). I found that there's a Xiaomi device that equally competes but I don't think the RIL implementation is as good as Replicant's but it has LTE support. IDK about the backdoors though, I do think there's an equally worse Qualcomm backdoor though (and for that reason I prefer Mediatek devices more but sadly they barely release their source codes hence they lost the market share while qualcomm does and gets more bugs fixed for free). IIRC there are Samsung phones that have a u.FL connector at the back for antenna purposes so it's nice to have. For now I'm aiming for a quectel + openwrt for getting safe from backdoors (although I know the nature of backdoor is around STK/sim toolkit which lets an entity grab my built-in sms or contacts). And also, stop using GSM/3G for your SMS, there are newer SIMs that work well with LTE and receive SMS over LTE so that's way better than getting your OTP SMS be dragnet by your local Fake Cell "hamradio" guy (they can use the password and your number which appears on their Fake Cell toys).

>>61126 https://odysee.com/@AlphaNerd:8/millions-of-smart-phones-are-vulnerable:a

anyone here have experience with the xiaomi qi 1s? does what is needed and I really like the look of it, dual Sim too

>>62214 yeah my bad its not xiaomi its duoqin apparently. it has WiFi, location, Bluetooth etc

>>62215 I buyed F21 Pro for mother and its really nice Android phone with dumphone case, but I think F22 with larger screen it's better option. it's definitely an interesting thing because of not wasting time on youtube or other soykaf massmedia while maintaining basic functions like android apps.

I would honestly go with a Google Pixel over a dumbphone. If you're already in Apple's ecosystem you may as well wait out the EOL date. Dumbphones won't normally have apps like Signal or Mullvad and SMS and phone calls are unencrypted.

>>59834 4g dumbphones are worse than smartphones in therms of privacy. Some of them come with facebook and other spyware and often you can't uninstall them. You can also see them pinging facebook even if you never opened the app by wireshark. What I would suggest is get one of the oldest 4g smartphone you can find you can install lineage on and remove as much bloat as you can with root.

Smart phone is probably my biggest security vulnerability and I only really have it because I'm addicted to the thing. Compulsive phone checking is like having spyware installed in the brain.

What extent does airplane mode on iphone prevent your phone from listening in or monitoring you? If I had an iphone, and just use it for signal group chat with friends, removing any non essential applications, and keeping nothing on cloud, whats the upper limit in terms of security? I'm guessing its a given phonecalls are recorded, and there will be some GPS tracking just baked in. I use a phone everyday, and while I'm pretty happy with my computer set up, I pretty much use my iphone like an NPC making everything else redundant. My next phone won't be an iphone, but given how long I intend to keep my next phone I want to make the right decision on which to buy.

>>61095 Yeah, I see what you mean. I can send MMS just fine with it (it's a bit tricky compared to SMS unless I'm stupid) but I wasn't able to receive some MMS messages. Though I'm not sure if that's because the other person sending a weird format or what. I can see JPG images others send me. >>62214 I've heard of others needing to buy an "unlocked" model with a "different" version of Android to get it working in their area. I'd be cautious.

>>63791 Airplane mode just tells the transmit part of your phones various transceivers to not send anything and not attempt to communicate with anything while its on, it doesn't do anything else. The phone is still capable of passively receiving signals and certain emergency signals in use in various countries use this to push high priority alerts like missile or earthquake warnings etc. (although many of the current implementations are soykafty) In theory spooky people can use this simple fact about how airplane mode actually works combined with privileged access to reactivate your phones transmit functionality at any time without you knowing but idk if this has ever been observed in the wild Your phone is still capable of being geolocated when in airplane mode or even when switched off regardless via its GPS functionality, as GPS is receive only on the user end. Corporate actors like Google etc. that design your phone's operating system and firmware generally have contingencies to continue collecting data when unable to transmit it and then do the transmit when they come back into signal, many of the more obnoxious apps do this as well. The best and easiest way to stop your phone being data mined by corporate entities and the more pedestrian forms of government survelliance is to not have Google play services etc. on it and not to use apps that feed data to people you don't like The best way to stop your phone being tracked at all is to keep it in a signal blocking case when not in use or buy something that has physical hardware kill switches to cut power to the radio when you don't need it. Or, you know, don't have a phone on you when doing stuff you don't want people to know about. I am spending less time with my phone on me as time goes by. There is no way to have a phone that is truly, truly private, you just need to decide for yourself where you draw the line. Personally I just carry a degoogled android phone and don't have any youtube,ebay etc. apps on it, not perfect but at least I'm not directly feeding google etc. my info, though everyone around me with their normal smartphones and idevices and smartspeakers and fuarrrking toasters with bluetooth connectivity still are, 2nd hand. Remember that you need to tailor your setup to your threat model and that making perfect the enemy of better is the wrong way to think, if you're concerned about gov. etc. surveillance much of the mass surveillance stuff is done through passive mundane means like trawling commercially collected information or going through stuff people voluntarily post on the internet.

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>>63805 >come to lain every year >see these retards still going on about how they are slowly getting off phones wtf is even wrong with you glitterboys. i never owned a phone in my life. not even muh feature phones in 2005 when the trendy glitterboy kids had them. i never owned a loyalty card, no credit card, cash only. no im not a neet either. you literally dont need jewniggercock for any part of life.

>>63862 >im not a neet either Still part of the system then.

>>59834 I wish they were more common in society

>>63862 Wow what a great and insightful post that added such useful context and insight to this thread!

Dumbphones are irrelevant and insecure. Most of them are just glorified smartphones which still have web browsers and big tech soyware. You can't install a VPN on them or disable MAC among other things and all text messages and phone calls are sent unencrypted. It's much saner to buy a Google Pixel. You can install GrapheneOS.

>>63875 >>63864 you retards are pathetic phones only have coverage in inner cities. they are basically useless. the idea that they are somehow necessary for life is just you projecting as a retard who has never seen anything else >>63876 and they have (((sybian))) or (((symbian))) ii cant remember which one is a dildo and which is a phone. if you dig into it, it will be like turning over a rock with security bugs scattered all under, like with any embedded software.

>>63883 > phones only have coverage in inner cities Um... this simply not true at all, no matter what your opinion on anything else may be.

Is tor any more functional on Android than iphone? It's pretty much unusable on ios. I want my next phone to have a headphone port, the capacity to be degoogled and tor. I'm not gonna spend the money until I know for sure I'm getting something better than what I've already got (iphone).

>>63883 damn, I can't believe my phone just ceased to exist in the rural location where I live. guess the three bars of connection were a lie after all and you can't see this post because I wasn't able to post it >>63892 Orbot (Tor for Android) provides a proxy to make any arbitrary app use Tor, as well as a VPN mode to force the whole system to use Tor. Also it can just run in the background the whole time with negligible battery cost. Not sure what the situation on iOS is, but I hope this helps.

>>63893 Tor functionality will be essential so that helps, yeah. I think my approach will be degoogling, keeping in one of those blocker wallets and running tor. All I need to do now is find something new enough to not be obsolete for the foreseeable future, but also able to use standard earphone.

>>63888 >Um... this simply not true at all, He could be one of the dozen people who doesn't live in america.

>>63901 I have been in the middle of the plains of Botswana as well as North Russian Taiga and had mobile phone signal

>>63892 I've used both orbot and tor browser and they work good. Also both are available from guardian project overlay for f-droid (I'm using foxy droid client, not sure how easy it is to add repos in other apps). We don't know your definition of unusable but I have pretty much the same experience as on linux desktop.

i've been looking into getting a dumbphone for a while, and my main concern is the closed source OS that they run. some nokias run S30+, while the more powerful ones run KaiOS, both of which are proprietary, have lots of useful functionality removed (no Tor, no VPN, no J2ME compat) and have lots of vulnerabilities too. KaiOS specifically turned into a bigger mess now that the 3.x version is not compatible with devices that used to run version 2.x. right now i'm thinking about either writing a new OS for KaiOS phones, or porting GerdaOS to more phones, since it's only available for the 8110 4g. could anyone that has any experience with things like that tell me how viable that would be?

>>64159 Cancel your data plan, simple as that. I use an old school 2G phone with no data and do completely fine. But this doesn't mean you can do the same :) but you should.

>>64162 why are you using, then? phones are only useful for making and receiving calls and text messages, nothing else

>>64178 why are you using it*, then?

I unironically think when the only times I am doing something productive is when I power off my phone to charge it. I've been thinking in getting rid of it for some time now but it's handy when I go to work to listen to podcasts, music or youtube videos. I can't read in my desk while looking busy, but only wearing a pair headphones is not enough to people to notice I'm procrastinating like a mf all day long.,

>>64213 Try to distance yourself from all the applications that is used to acess internet (remove them from home screen, lock with password, maybe just delete the unnecessary ones). Download all important things you want to consoom locally, and keep phone in airplane mode, disabling it only in case of urgency.

What is your thread model? For practical purposes, GrapheneOS is the way to go. Just buy a second hand pixel from your local marketplace with cash and set it up, preferably over a public wifi away from cameras. >removable battery Cell tower pings can be mitigated with a faraday bag.

>>60222 I could tell you every reason you could be wrong but all I gotta do is point out the obvious Apple soykaf hole licking your doing here and tell you that you shouldn't entrust your sensitive data to any company no matter what they did or how much they claim to "protect your privacy" in their advertising or pulled off one cool stunt and act like it means they'll do it for you too.