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Noodle Soup -1/7 · 2022-03-11 20:27
Last thread >>52424 hit bump limit.
Tomohisa "Tom" Kanezaki · 2022-03-12 02:02
>>57666 Silverblue + Plan 9 from User Space = ☺
Demeere · 2022-03-12 02:33
>>57679 Looks comfy :) Can you share the wallpaper?
The Phantom Phreak · 2022-03-12 10:01
Fluxbox with custom theme based on Materia colors. Vimix-White icons. Fonts: UW Ttyp0 and SF UI Display.
Pulse · 2022-03-12 11:13
>>57666 (OP) Awesome with its default configuration. No need for a separate status bar, program launcher/command prompt or wallpaper utility, it's all included and works wonderfully well.
Zero Cool · 2022-03-12 12:53
>>57680 It's a painting by Paolo Girardi.
Guthrie · 2022-03-12 15:10
At some point I got so assblasted by gtk theming that I started creating my own gui toolkit and I will redo my desktop and most of my daily utilities / programs with it (except the browser duh).
Pris · 2022-03-12 15:14
>>57688 That's so cool lainon, what're you writing it in?
Spooky · 2022-03-12 15:41
>>57689 Thanks. Plain ol' C (99 standard) with only (for now, but I'll try to keep that) xcb, cairo and pthread libs. I want something light and easy to config. Its also my own take at a screen size and input agnostic (keyboard, mouse, touch and even joystick) gui, so I'l be trying out some concepts here and there that are not found in toolkits such as gtk / qt. Right now I'm in the middle of rewriting the engine into a proper library separate from the program on my previous post.
H.R. Giger · 2022-03-12 16:19
Shod with πmenu and some dockapps. >>57679 Why gnome? Feels so wrong to use gnome with p9p... Have you tried wmii? Its tiling layout is based on acme's. >>57688 >>57690 I love your desktop anon, and your colorscheme as well. It's fluxbox, isn't it? Do you plan to public release your toolkit on github or something? I also want to write my own toolkit; but mine would be based on X Intrinsics. All my programs are written with plain Xlib (I have never used xcb); I'm reading some books on Motif and X Intrinsics in order to build my own toolkit.
Random · 2022-03-12 16:37
>>57688 Whoah this looks actually good lmao
Erik Johansson · 2022-03-12 19:02
Desktops are bloat. Sage
Wintermute · 2022-03-12 20:39
>>57691 >Why gnome? I spend most of my time in acme, so which WM I'm using isn't something that ever really crosses my mind. I used to not even use a WM. I use GNOME because it makes printing documents easier, and since I have a super key on my mouse, it's pretty quick to switch applications and workspaces and such without getting my keyboard involved. Mostly, I'm trying to eliminate customization from my computing experience. GNOME and Silverblue are parts of that. It's been a real boon for my spare time.
Technician · 2022-03-13 14:18
>>57691 thanks. Yep that's fluxbox. And yes I plan to make my toolkit public once I'm done with the new engine and have the basic cells such as buttons, lists, tables, ..., ready too (cells ~= widgets, windows are a grid, and cells are a defined area with content of that grid, there's no hboxes or vboxes). I'll post about it more in some / λ/ thread then. Should be in around 1-2 months with my current pace. Btw, mirin that round launcher, is it your? What it's called? >>57692 thanks.
Mario Rossi · 2022-03-13 15:03
>>57706 >Btw, mirin that round launcher, is it your? What it's called? Yes, it is a pie menu I wrote. I call it πmenu (or pmenu, in Latin characters). You right-click on the root window and it opens a pie-shaped context menu. You can search for "pmenu pie menu" on github. It's written with xlib and imlib2.
Technician · 2022-03-14 09:59
Cypher · 2022-03-15 05:26
okie i'll bite. you guys put me to shame though
Aristóteles Amadópulus · 2022-03-17 09:34
Ishikura "Tatsu" Tatsuhiko · 2022-03-17 18:54
I'm currently planning to move to IceWM from OpenBox. The reasons for the move are that OpenBox development seems to be stalled (more or less) and the development is in a diaspora (some patches coming from Debian, others from Arch...) and IceWM comes with a panel and the IceWM configuration files are nicer. Currently, I run vanilla OpenBox and I don't even have a panel (instead I use tmux/date/emacs to check the time). I use rofi to launch applications. It's shame that blackbox and fluxbox are basically dead, and openbox seem to be slowly dying. But at least IceWM is a worthy replacement. >>57679 >Silverblue Does silverblue/os-trees add more manual system administration burden vs. a traditional Fedora? I'm contemplating trying out Fedora Kinoite (same as silverblue but it uses KDE instead). I'm not a fan of Flatpaks (https://ludocode.com/blog/flatpak-is-not-the-future & https://flatkill.org/) or Fedora (because release upgrades at least used to be a total mess and I don't want SElinux or SystemD), but I would like to still know how the Silverblue/Kinoite version works. >>57688 >>57690 >I started creating my own gui toolkit Looks cool! Also, is the pic related some kind of custom file manager that uses tags? >>57693 >Desktops are bloat. So, are you using Linux vconsole and tmux?
Mentat · 2022-03-17 22:32
>>57599 >I don't think PKGBUILDs are quite like shell scripts. The important point is that PKGBUILDs can be used to execute arbitrary code as root. Second, PKGBUILDs are just like shell scripts, though. You literally just list the commands needed to run configure and the build system for the software in the question. What makes PKGBUILDs better than regular shell scripts is the metadata and the fact that you can also remove the package using pacman. >>57601 >IceWm >no wayland support/no GUI isolation Install sway, then. Sway is actually great if you like i3 or i3-gaps. >>57881 >Silverblue >Kinoite Actually, I started thinking about trying Guix package manager (which can be used along side the package manager that comes with your distro) or GNU Guix System distro. Guix seems more complete solution and the package files are just Scheme. Declarative package managers and declarative configuration is probably the future for workplaces and servers.
Guthrie · 2022-03-18 16:31
>>57881 I've been using since Fedora 35 came out, and it's been a very smooth experience. My applications are always up to date because of flatpaks, and /usr being read-only adds security to my system. In terms of manual system administration, there's basically none. rpm-ostree updates automatically, and when there are updates to the base system I'm notified in GNOME software. I don't think that there's quite the same integration with Discover, but I could be wrong on that. I respectfully disagree with the anti-flatpak thing, but there are valid critiques. It's by no means a one size fits all solution, but for the majority of end users, disk space is plentiful and even on my 2 core 2.70GHz i5-3340M and 8 GB of ram I don't notice much of a difference in app startup. I don't even really keep data on my root disk. I think that a lot of people who don't like flatpak don't really understand the problems it's trying to solve. One way around using flatpaks would be to run things in, say, an Arch toolbox. This way you'll have up to date applications while still having a stable base system. I haven't upgraded to a major release yet, but since Silverblue and Kinoite are image based, it should be seamless. It's one of the main benefits of an immutable system. It manages to be stable without having any of the disadvantages that traditional stable distros have (outdated applications and messy upgrades). If you don't like systemd, flatpak and such, I think that you'll find GNU Guix or NixOS a good alternative (though Nix still uses systemd). Essentially, GNU Guix and NixOS are to traditional rolling release distros as Silverblue and Kinoite are to traditional stable distros. They both try to solve the same problem, and have different advantages. If you do want to try out an rpm-ostree-based distro, there are obviously Kinoite and Silverblue, but there are also some alternative images you could rebase to here https://github.com/castrojo/awesome-immutable#configs-from-the-community. >>57888 I tried GNU Guix out a month or two ago and I was really impressed. The only thing keeping me from really considering using it was that I couldn't figure out a way to build plan9port. Do you have any tips for making GNU Guix packages?
Dox · 2022-03-18 22:03
>>57666 (hello satan) just xfeces. works well enough for me. I like that it's very modular and one of the least bloated full DEs out there
Armitage · 2022-03-18 22:04
>>57737 Name of the semen demon in this picture, please? >>57921 This one too.
Jane Doe · 2022-03-18 22:06
>>57922 I think it's some 2hu soykaf or something
Unidentified · 2022-03-18 22:14
>>57921 I also forget to mention I using it mostly with keybindings. when I feel like it I should really switch to a tiling wm, I guess. I used dwm and i3 in the past. I liked dwm, but it was just too much of a hassle with all those modules and patching and stuff and i3 just is like kicking dead whales down the beach to be honest. I generally don't like tinkering that much. I rather use preconfigured things that are proven to work well. Don't want to bother with constantly fixing soykaf when some components of the system don't go well together. That's also why I'm using manjaro. It just works and I don't have to bother with anything........ sorry for this senseless rant
Cowboy · 2022-03-18 23:25
>>57903 >Do you have any tips for making GNU Guix packages? First, Guix packages are written in Guile scheme. You should familiarize yourself with both the Scheme language and the Guile implementation of Scheme. Luckily, Guile has good docs: https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/index.html For learning Scheme, I recommend Little Schemer and Simply Scheme. You should also check out https://guix.gnu.org/en/cookbook/en/html_node/A-Scheme-Crash-Course.html and the Lisp thread here on Lainchan: >>>/lambda/27327 Also, Guix doesn't have non-free software and it uses Linux-libre by default. You can enable a custom repository (a "channel" ), such as Nonguix (there are also others around): https://gitlab.com/nonguix/nonguix and install Linux with non-free firmware. Refer to these sections from the Guix manual: https://guix.gnu.org/en/manual/en/html_node/Specifying-Additional-Channels.html & https://guix.gnu.org/en/manual/en/html_node/Using-a-Custom-Guix-Channel.html Guix has good docs on for making new packages: * The relevant chapters from Guix manual: https://guix.gnu.org/en/manual/en/html_node/Defining-Packages.html & https://guix.gnu.org/en/manual/en/html_node/Packaging-Guidelines.html * The relevant section from the Cookbook: https://guix.gnu.org/en/cookbook/en/html_node/Packaging.html (highly recommended) * There is also this old blog post: https://guix.gnu.org/en/blog/2018/a-packaging-tutorial-for-guix/ >>57922 >Name of the semen demon in this picture, please? Can't remember it, but you can learn it by playing Touhou. >>57924 >when I feel like it I should really switch to a tiling wm Honestly, I'm happy with IceWM, and I just use Emacs or Tmux for tiling. There is also a tiling WM called Ratpoison which seemed pretty easy to use. That being said, I haven't ever used Ratpoison or StumpWM, however.
Agent Smith · 2022-03-19 01:06
>>57881 >Looks cool! Also, is the pic related some kind of custom file manager that uses tags? Thanks m8. Not quite, while its technically filetype agnostic, this is mainly research-paper manager, where each paper is indeed given tags but also publication date, institution, publication source, ... I wrote it as an helper for the literature review of my ongoing PhD. Once my gui toolkit become usable for writting programs I will rewrite it and publish it.
Aristóteles Amadópulus · 2022-03-19 02:33
>>57922 >Name of the semen demon in this picture, please? Rin Kaenbyou, from Subterranean Animism I believe
Masami Eiri · 2022-03-19 04:05
Simple, but I find it very comfy. I'm using a T420 and a CRT.
Netrunner · 2022-03-19 06:46
>>57881 >So, are you using Linux vconsole and tmux? vconsole and tmux are bloat i use a real console and mtm if there was a need for multiplexing (which is often not the case because job control is a thing)
Noodle Soup -1/7 · 2022-03-20 02:50
>>57945 you comment has too much text, hence it's bloat.
Random · 2022-03-20 03:25
>>57945 use paper printouts
Gyula Kovacs · 2022-03-20 04:07
I hate that I have to use Teams for work, but otherwise I'm happy with it
Anonymous · 2022-03-20 06:01
>>57688 do you have a github so I can keep up with this
Haruyoshi · 2022-03-20 07:21
>>57990 I would sure hope he did not have a Github profile. There are a number of much better Git hosting services out there. For instance, git.lain.church.
Hououin Kyouma · 2022-03-20 14:11
>>57990 >>57998 I didn't publish it anywhere yet, I'll do it when it is usable, but I won't put it on github for sure.
Jim Hilger · 2022-03-20 14:32
Nordchads forgive, for I have sinned
Dujour · 2022-03-20 14:59
Hello lainons! I would like to wage slave two projects for making your ricing journey less tedious. https://github.com/chriskempson/base16 https://github.com/Misterio77/flavours You can find base16 managers other than flavours in base16 repository.
The Phantom Phreak · 2022-03-23 03:13
Chani · 2022-03-23 15:42
Guthrie · 2022-03-23 23:33
>>57686 Interesting wall.
Nobody important · 2022-03-24 05:17
>>58084 Love the vibe, is that conky in the top right?
Dozer · 2022-03-24 09:37
>>58102 yeah its conky post too short
Mentat · 2022-03-24 11:41
the eternal S10e continues considering ripping components from my phone awesomewm setup to add to this laptop, 7" and 10" displays aren't THAT different, even if the phone is higher resolution
Batou · 2022-03-24 14:59
Jean Dupont · 2022-03-24 15:41
My current desktop is boring, have this instead; took earlier this year but decided against posting for whatever reason
Liet Kynes · 2022-03-25 12:27
My work computer. Still a terminal and linux boi at heart >>58110 hide that taskbar! >>57688 god damn that's a pretty project >>58131 Benis :))))
Splicer · 2022-03-25 23:52
>>58109 Nice, n270, you don't see a lot of people using a laptop with that cpu these days. >>58111 This looks cool as fuarrrk, very comfy <3
Lady 3Jane.. · 2022-03-26 14:05
>>57924 >sorry for this senseless rant Hardly a rant and certainly not senseless. >>58079 How do you like Dino as a xmpp client? Also nice wallpaper, tkmiz right? Great artist.
Jens Hansen · 2022-03-27 00:55
>>58163 >How do you like Dino as a xmpp client? I want to use gajim, but gajim is little bit buggy and way more heavier than dino for me. I'm little bit upset with lack of features in dino like management omemo certifications or deleting history etc... But in my case, dino is most suitable client now. Would you recommend me another good client? I said gajim is little bit buggy, but that's such in the past. How about now if you are currently using gajim?
Anamika · 2022-03-27 03:15
>>58163 Hey, nice desk. Would you mind share the book / text you were reading?
Pulse · 2022-03-27 09:11
This is my desktop as of recent. My other computers dont have desktop environments so this is all I have >inb4 win10 yes, yes, I'm getting to it. I'll be upgrading to win7 later
Morpheus · 2022-03-27 15:50
>>58187 I hate this on every level but thanks for sharing.
Armitage · 2022-03-27 16:32
>>58202 o-okay...
Mitnick · 2022-03-27 17:21
>>58187 fuarrrk off, back to derpibooru, retard.
Crazy Jake · 2022-03-27 17:58
>>58215 you do know that derpibooru is an image hosting site and not an imageboard, right?
Masami Eiri · 2022-03-27 18:24
>>58218 doesn't matter. Reddit isn't an imageboard either.
Cereal Killer · 2022-03-27 18:42
>>58220 ...okay? For the love of god, go back to 4chan. We really don't want more of your type here
Nell · 2022-03-27 18:56
>derpibooru, etc... Everyone, stop soykafting up the thread pls. >>57679 >Plan9 >Acme Acme is interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP1xVpMPn8M (this channel has other videos, too) http://acme.cat-v.org/ (also, see https://9p.io/plan9/ & https://9front.org/) There are Linux ports of various programs from Plan9: https://tools.suckless.org/9base/ & https://9fans.github.io/plan9port/ (includes Acme) >>58178 >text I think it's "Unrestricted Warfare" by Qiao Liang (乔良) and Wang Xiangsui (王湘穗): https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.169.7179 >>58176 >Would you recommend me another good client? Well, there is Pidgin... >>58012 There is also: https://terminal.sexy/ (you can export the color scheme as Xresources for example.)
Chani · 2022-03-27 21:05
Getting used to the slack, I think I found my home. After I get used to it I will try to slim it down, perhaps even by 800 packs lol (I installed the whole 15G thing. Still less bloated than any other distro I have ever used, besides Arch, Void and Debian netinstall).
Drifter · 2022-03-28 00:00
>>58215 Back to reddit, retard.
Special Agent Bob · 2022-03-28 00:40
>>58163 Please for the life of me, what is the program you're using to read "Unrestricted Warfare"? I've been looking for a simple pdf viewer
Ivan Petrov · 2022-03-28 00:51
>>58244 >I've been looking for a simple pdf viewer Have you tried mupdf?
H.R. Giger · 2022-03-28 01:36
>>58176 My preferred xmpp client is psi plus. Similarly to you, I haven't used gajim for quite some time and also experienced some issues with it in the past, so I can't say how it is currently. You can check it out here if you like though, https://psi-plus.com >>58178 Unrestricted Warfare, as correctly guessed by >>58226 You can also find it on libgen >>58244 >what is the program you're using to read "Unrestricted Warfare"? Zathura, although in that screenshot it's neatly floated over qutebrowser to make the overall image prettier to look at and general "desktop thread aesthetic purposes" ;). In all seriousness though, I do recommend looking into Zathura if you're looking for a simple document viewer, I've had no issues with it.
Rick Deckard · 2022-03-31 00:58
>>57691 How's your custom WM coming along? Looks great by the way
Junichi Fujiwara · 2022-04-01 21:33
>>58245 thanks for letting me know of these projects, been looking for something simple for forever. >Zathura pretty good, loads quick enough and the plugins are useful if I need more functionality later >mupdf out of the box just quicker than Zathura and takes less space I think I'll use mupdf for just quick viewing and Zathura for other things. I like mupdf's keyboard controls a little more too
Acid Burn · 2022-04-01 21:42
Openbox on Linux Mint (no lightdm)
SHODAN · 2022-04-02 01:05
dwm with st, alpine very comfy
Cereal Killer · 2022-04-02 14:27
>>57666 I wonder if this will work with mothra. Been daily driving 9front for a week. Eventually I'll get vmx working so that I don't have to boot from my Linux hard drive the few times a week I have to use a modern web browser for work.
John Titor · 2022-04-03 22:39
Six · 2022-04-04 21:49
new install fedora with KDE i don't like gnome please no bully.
VileCarrion · 2022-04-05 00:55
Just built a computer. I rather like it and try to run a clean desktop.
Shogun · 2022-04-05 01:25
>>57708 Does it need a root window to work/does it work with tiling wms like i3? I know click menus and being able to see the wallpaper and anathema to tilingwms but I still want one for fun. Even a openbox style menu would be a blast.
Agent Smith · 2022-04-05 09:34
I just realized I don't use Xorg other than for browsing. fuarrrk. Can I migrate entirely to the terminal?
Batou · 2022-04-06 02:17
Lazy, but it still looks good.
Trinity · 2022-04-06 02:38
>>58508 Based and orthodox-pilled
Ein · 2022-04-06 04:15
manjaro stinky, I don't know that much linux stuff, and i even forget how to get to root in the console often, how do people usually learn more stuff about linux, without reading 50 pages of documentation
Bobby Newmark · 2022-04-06 04:23
>>58513 >male poon browser
Ender · 2022-04-06 04:26
>>58514 if you find a firefox netscape skin and i'll switch from it
H.R. Giger · 2022-04-06 16:31
>>58481 I guess you could use the framebuffer? > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1oXByIJcHU >https://github.com/caramelli/higfxback/wiki/Linux-Framebuffer >how do people usually learn more stuff about linux, without reading 50 pages of documentation Read a full book instead and follow along: > https://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php
Netrunner · 2022-04-06 16:43
>>57737 >>58079 >>58478
leben · 2022-04-06 20:28
Special Agent Bob · 2022-04-06 22:25
>>58454 how's kde on void? does the wayland session work?
William Holtzer · 2022-04-07 02:31
>>58557 Not them, but I used KDE on void for quite a while. Idk about the Wayland but it worked pretty well w/ X. I do remember small bugs popping up occasionally (like icons being too small for the bottom bar) but nothing serious. If you were more motivated than me you could probably fix them, but I just waited and they usually went away after a while.
Acid Burn · 2022-04-07 05:13
>>58557 it's very good. i used to use openbox but kde got good in the past year. my laptop and pc both have nvidia graphics and when i tried wayland it was crunchy as all hell, ymmv depending on hardware
Dujour · 2022-04-07 13:58
Technician · 2022-04-07 14:04
>>58592 kali-undercover is pretty cool
Case · 2022-04-07 14:08
>>58593 neat but not using kali
Gyula Kovacs · 2022-04-07 22:14
>>58513 KDE theme? >>58422 c'est cool
Tequila · 2022-04-07 23:30
>>58612 You mean GNU Emacs? https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/
Yuki Nagato · 2022-04-08 22:07
PSA: Dynamic window titles considered harmful! (this is old news, but can be still relevant) >Many of the features supported by popular terminal emulator software can be abused when un-trusted data is displayed on the screen. The impact of this abuse can range from annoying screen garbage to a complete system compromise. All of the issues below are actually documented features, anyone who takes the time to read over the man pages or source code could use them to carry out an attack. https://marc.info/?l=bugtraq&m=104612710031920&w=2 More: https://archive.is/UbhzC So, I tried Wayland, again... > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Wayland_Desktop_Landscape > https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Wayland#Compositors > https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dotfiles#User_repositories (page where you can steal config files) Why Wayland? * No screen tearing * Programs can't listen to input to other programs (input isolation) * Xorg is in life support mode (BUT to be honest, it is not going anywhere. And even if did, someone would start to maintain it again (No) or perhaps someone will port OpenBSD's Xenocara & Xenodm to GNU/Linux) * Looking at the security of Plasma/Wayland https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2015/11/looking-at-the-security-of-plasmawayland/ * XDC2012: Graphics stack security: https://lwn.net/Articles/517375/ I have used Sway (https://swaywm.org/) in the past and it worked without any issues. I just had to set 1 environment variable: MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 However, I don't like i3 or Sway. And I want a stacking Wayland Compositor (a WM but Wayland. Also, FYI, there is no equivalent of the Xorg server for Wayland, you just need a Wayland compositor). I know that Hikari (https://hikari.acmelabs.space/) exists but I'm not going to use it mainly because I'm not familiar with cwm (also read more below). I have great hopes for Enlightenment in the future (https://www.enlightenment.org/about-wayland) but at the moment the next best Wayland compositor that is not Sway or Hikari seems to be Labwc (https://github.com/labwc/labwc). Labwc is an OpenBox clone for Wayland. My plan is to install Swaybg (for setting the background), Mako (a notification daemon, https://github.com/emersion/mako), Seatd (https://git.sr.ht/~kennylevinsen/seatd), Wofi (a clone of Rofi for Wayland, https://hg.sr.ht/~scoopta/wofi), Xwayland and perhaps Waybar (https://github.com/Alexays/Waybar). Also, one of problems with Hikari is that it uses libucl, which has a possible memory corruption bug: https://github.com/vstakhov/libucl/issues/255 and the Hikari AUR package contains 1 executable with SUID enabled: /usr/bin/hikari-unlocker (even though the PKGBUILD should build Hikari without SUID bits). The only major problems I have with Labwc are that XF86audio* keys don't work and that scrolling a window (like a web browser/text editor) is not pleasant (but mouse wheel works fine). There aren't any problems with scrolling or volume keys when using Sway or X11 (I haven't tested Hikari yet). Here is a link to the configs/walkthrough: https://pst.moe/paste/wcmeep?format=raw Also, pls note that I have inserted the # EOF comments afterwards (which may matter when applying the patch) If you want more info on Wayland, check out: > https://wayland-book.com/ > https://wayland.freedesktop.org/ > https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wlroots/wlroots (the library that powers most of the Wayland compositors) > X11 and Wayland: A tale of two implementations Implementing the hikari window manager/compositor: https://www.inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=8E0SOWo-Gsg > Wayland client basics How to natively speak Wayland in your application, from the bottom up: https://www.inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=KbryyNrMYl4 > The Modern Linux Graphics Stack on Embedded Systems: https://www.inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=k9mobviOpFQ > The Real Story Behind Wayland and X: https://www.inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=RIctzAQOe44 Info on Interlisp >https://interlisp.org/ >https://github.com/Interlisp/medley (the program that's running) >https://github.com/Interlisp/maiko >https://yewtu.be/watch?v=x6-b_hazcyk&t=27m30s
Lady Jessica · 2022-04-08 22:12
>>58654 I don't know I just use the mint default.
Zhora · 2022-04-08 23:52
>>58654 >Wayland Garbage suffering from the same problem as Scheme compared to CL (X11): fragmentation between implementation due to small standards. Making X11 smaller and/or modular is a worthy goal, but not doing so in a reactionary manner reminiscent of Multics -> UNIX; and Wayland doesn't care about modularity, otherwise useful stuff that was shed from X11 would have been standardized separately (stuff like randr, which is currently fragmented between wlr-randr, gnome-randr and whatever KDE uses; and dozens of other tools that were DE/WM agnostic on X11). Instead, they just hope that their fuarrrkup will be solved by "the free market": wlroots is what Weston should have been from the beginning and new protocols are just loosely coordinated on the Freedesktop GitLab. Something like https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wlroots/wlr-protocols/-/tree/master/unstable shouldn't exist. It also doesn't really care about OS portability, something X.org and the older XFree86 had no problem with: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/-/issues/14 https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/-/issues/39 https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/-/issues/214 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now, for the practical side of things, I'll wait until all this soykaf is settled and I can have a good replacement for the following: * bspwm: https://github.com/riverwm/river + https://github.com/jonbkei/riverbsp ? * sxhkd: https://github.com/waycrate/swhkd until there's a dedicated protocol (https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/merge_requests/56) * dmenu: nothing as light, as expected from Wayland, but https://github.com/Cloudef/bemenu or https://codeberg.org/dnkl/fuzzel is probably the best choice * lemonbar: no replacement that is as hacker-friendly, https://gitlab.com/dnkl/yambar is the only one that doesn't depend on GTK; probably my biggest gripe * st: again, nothing as light, https://codeberg.org/dnkl/foot/ is the only sane choice; otherwise it's all "GPU-accelerated" Rust abominations with Node-tier dependency trees, VTE crap and stuff like Kitty made by a Indian that refuses patches to allow bitmap fonts * sxiv: imv is better designed, but FreeImage is a dumpster fire that's also a security disaster just waiting to happen and imv lacks too much format support without it (e.g. Webp, netpbm, TGA, etc...); I may write more backends if I get the time, one day (heh). Also, ICU dependency? Lel * mupdf: Zathura as a mupdf frontend works, but I'd prefer pure mupdf, personally * emacs: forced to use the GTK frontend instead of the perfect and lightweight athena/Xaw one * Nyxt: I think it's okay, since it uses webkit-gtk-2 * Tk/McCLIM: ded * Older video game engines like gzdoom or quake3e: unknown Basically, I'm really not thrilled about it and the compromises I'll be forced to make. Much more excited about Pipewire, to be honest. Some other websites I found very useful about this: https://arewewaylandyet.com/ https://hacktivis.me/notes/pure-wayland.shtml
Aristóteles Amadópulus · 2022-04-09 00:27
Before someone mentions it: Since Xwayland is just a separate X-server (if you use Xwayland, there will be a separate X-server running for each X11 applications), I *think* that you could also use Xephyr to separate programs form each other while staying on X11 to get input isolation (or you *could* use Qubes OS). However, in practice, Xephyr is mainly useful for testing purposes. Honestly, I think that if you care about X11 security, you would either: (1) Not run Xorg as root, disable the TCP socket and the UNIX socket: Set up Xinit and crate & configure ~/.xinitrc and ~/.xserverrc Then just use startx as your regular user. >https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xorg#Using_xinitrc > https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xinit#xserverrc (2) Or, install OpenBSD and use Xenocara & Xenodm. >>58662 Good post. You identified the 3 main problems with Wayland: * Portability (apparently FreeDesktop.org thinks that supporting only Linux is good enough) * Fragmentation (and, as you said, it happened mainly because FreeDesktop.org was dumb) * You can't run 100% Wayland-only system in practice
Crazy Jake · 2022-04-09 02:20
>an imageboard is not a blog why do people not get this also why in god's name does lainchan have stackexchange tier formatting
Rick Deckard · 2022-04-09 07:20
>>58666 >only low effort Twitter posting allowed on imageboards! How about you get the fuarrrk out. Wayland is completely related to desktop discussion.
Cutter · 2022-04-09 11:36
>>58672 If you don't like it then don't post. If nobody posts then the thread will die.
Hiro Protagonist · 2022-04-09 12:16
>>58672 Might be. Not relevant to this discussion. The point is in boards/forums, OP tends to be verbose and provides a topic for discussion while replies comment on OP while providing some value of their own. The point is that this system works. Creating a blog-post like reply causes reversal of this system, and brings too much focus to an individual reply rather than a post.
Marly Krushkhova · 2022-04-09 13:35
>>58672 this thread is for sharing desktops, theres another thread for DE/WM discussions if you really want to get into that
Tomohisa "Tom" Kanezaki · 2022-04-09 14:53
>>58683 >>58688 What kind of retard cares about one or two posts going into a tangential direction that neither qualifies as brewing soykaf nor derailment? Imageboards have always worked like this.
Unnamed · 2022-04-09 15:45
>>58694 Please post desktops while replying to other anons as this chain is quite literally derailing the thread.
Miho Iwakura · 2022-04-09 17:33
>>58694 tis classic ib sperg behavior >>58699 ok. i use a tiling wm. here is what it looks like when i close all windows
Crash Override · 2022-04-11 01:39
>>58662 >* sxiv sxiv is now unmaintained. there is an active fork, however: https://github.com/nsxiv/nsxiv >imv is better designed > but FreeImage is a dumpster fire that's also a security disaster just waiting to happen I agree about imv.
Random · 2022-04-11 08:36
Drano · 2022-04-12 03:19
greetings gentlemen >>58751 yume 2kki rocks, I should really play that game again
Demeere · 2022-04-12 19:52
Bob Arctor · 2022-04-12 20:09
>>58751 >>58773 what themes are those? DE?
Case · 2022-04-12 21:19
While I was searching, I found a program called "xpenguins": https://www.ratrabbit.nl/ratrabbit/software/xpenguins/index.html >>58793 I think >>58751 is using Chicago95 GTK theme and icons : https://github.com/grassmunk/Chicago95 And >>58773 probably uses this: https://github.com/B00merang-Project/Windows-XP >DE It shouldn't matter which DE or WM you use, but both Xfce4 and IceWM have a win95 theme for window decorations.
Chani · 2022-04-12 22:22
>>58790 >desktop thread hahahahaha you're so funny and too funny for this soykafty world. so let me take care of you
Apoc · 2022-04-13 15:32
>>58790 I laughed way too hard at this. My jaw hurts. Good one, mate, good one.
Jean Dupont · 2022-04-13 19:37
>>58790 If this is not the OP image for all future desktop threads I will be severely disappointed.
Void · 2022-04-14 04:07
>>57921 How's Ryujinx? I've been thinking about trying it out.
Marly Krushkhova · 2022-04-14 04:47
netbook with MXLinux and i3. Fluxbox is good and uses the same as i3 but I wanted to try it anyway.
Eldon Tyrell · 2022-04-14 06:52
>>58454 What extension do you run for lainchan? I’ve been wondering for a long time if there’s any extensions but haven’t got around to looking. Do 4chan extensions work for it?
Nobody special · 2022-04-14 16:14
Random · 2022-04-14 18:10
Suggestons for a monospace terminal font that displays 0 and O distinctively and doesn't distort kanji?
Nobody special · 2022-04-14 18:58
>>58860 IBM Plex? > https://github.com/IBM/plex
Jim Hilger · 2022-04-14 21:24
>>58860 Noto Sans Mono. Handles latin and asian characters flawlessly.
Incognito · 2022-04-14 22:09
>>58840 I think there's no extensions. If you say about that theme, you can select it through Options -> Mono E Lain Beta.
Nanashi No Gombe · 2022-04-15 00:22
Special Agent Bob · 2022-04-15 02:19
>>58840 4chan-X works for lainch, and you can always use userscripts and custom css
Noodle Soup -1/7 · 2022-04-15 04:50
>>58872 This looks extremely comfy; did you modified the folder icon to match the color theme? also, are you comfortable only having a clock in the panel? >>58838 This one is nice, looks like something i would recommend a newbie to try; a good UI approach that won't intimidate new unix-like users >>58662 I'll say something that is probably pretty dumb, but at this point i feel like wayland is to X11 what hurd is to linux. Also i think some people is hyping on wayland too hard.
Jet Black · 2022-04-15 13:29
>>58876 >wayland is to X11 what hurd is to linux I wouldn't say so, wayland is more like L4, where the answer to lack of driver is "just paravirtualize Linux, bro" (i.e. Xwayland). Personally, I prefer my earlier comparison of Wayland to R5RS Scheme vs Common Lisp.
Cat Mother · 2022-04-16 09:12
>>58079 I changed to mate from xfce
Yamaoto Toshi · 2022-04-16 14:57
I've further refined the Fluxbox theme I made. It's based on the Materia Dark GTK/QT theme.
Drifter · 2022-04-17 17:12
Gyula Kovacs · 2022-04-17 19:25
>>58936 Rounded corners, diffuse drop shadows and blur add depth to any desktop. Definitely my favourite things out of all modern visual trends.
Lady Jessica · 2022-04-19 08:04
>>58866 Not digging the look. Thanks for the suggestion though, it does do what I asked.
Tomohisa "Tom" Kanezaki · 2022-04-19 13:56
i have decided I don't need a new fancy laptop, because this one still runs fine. Anybody else using old hardware as their main compute? My X200 is from 2008.
Cypher · 2022-04-19 16:17
>>59038 What do you like about MATE compared to more lightweight alternatives like IceMW,FVWM and FLuxbox?
Neuromancer · 2022-04-19 19:06
>>59038 Also using an X200, did you flash yourself a custom BIOS? Is Trisquel any good for day to day usage? I'm running Debian on Libreboot, have been daydreaming about trying out Trisquel from time to time.
Y.T · 2022-04-22 21:01
>>59038 I mean, my system is from 2014, which is old by today's standards... I'm also still using a T420s quite regularly, and my X200 on one of those comfy days
The Oracle · 2022-04-22 23:57
>>59043 Different person, but Mate feels a lot heavier when comparing to the window managers. The biggest advantage is the "just works" out of the box aspect of it. You get the same functionality of Gnome or KDE with the stability of a classic interface that will not change much in the next 5 years, specially if you pair it with a distro that is also not fast changing.
Koichiro · 2022-04-23 20:48
>>59163 Yup, debian with your ol' reliable desktop environment just feels right.
Jane Doe · 2022-04-23 20:50
>>58084 What wm is that?
Mario Rossi · 2022-04-24 09:58
Hououin Kyouma · 2022-04-25 02:56
>>59162 Mint still is like kicking dead whales down the beach unfortunately, Debian is like kicking dead whales down the beach less... Quite happy with my upgrade >>59163 >>59168 back to the beginning of my linux journey lol though, must admit that devuan is still on my mind; gotten used to systemd I'm afraid
Splicer · 2022-04-25 03:13
>>58797 doesn't look like linux to me
Haruyoshi · 2022-04-25 20:07
>>59221 if you're going to troll, at least put some effort into it
Ender · 2022-04-25 21:49
https://youtu.be/tR7G-wIm-e8
Dr. X · 2022-04-26 02:54
>>59221 I think most lainons don't fall under that "most people" category.
Pris · 2022-04-26 04:54
>>58936 What's the name of the star/constellation program?
Yamaoto Toshi · 2022-04-26 05:16
>>59231 https://github.com/Haruno19/starfetch Could have looked in the .zshrc file.
Leto Atreides I · 2022-04-26 05:54
>>59232 Thanks, yeh I missed it. It would cool to have azimuth and elevation given a lat long and time, guess I'll have to read up on the math for that.
Special Agent Bob · 2022-04-26 06:48
>>59233 np >It would cool to have azimuth and elevation given a lat long and time Please post updates on your progress. I am interested too.
Hitomi · 2022-04-27 22:12
Cowboy · 2022-04-28 11:16
>>58409 does using suckless software guarantee me a cute loli wife?
Elliot Alderson · 2022-04-28 16:55
vim to write my pseudo-markdown notes mpv to play my illegal recordings of the lecture nnn to manage the files arch because i'm stupid and it's easy suckless for eveything else Hope you enjoy!
Yet Another Lainon · 2022-04-29 10:56
>>59331 Yes You'll need to add noatime to your fstab though
Fred Nurk · 2022-04-29 11:36
Lainon · 2022-04-30 10:39
I have the best background here
Arisu Mizuki · 2022-05-01 15:45
>>59398 Nice background but the desktop kinda fuarrrks it up
Lainon · 2022-05-01 19:14
>>59433 Yeah I know, I'm using a despooked WIN10 atm but I'm fed up with it. I wanted to install a linux disto for the longest time but never got around to doing it since it had poor gaming support. Is proton good enough for most games nowadays (I almost don't play multiplayer games except the souls series and maybe a little bit of ck3 once in a while)
Yuki Nagato · 2022-05-02 13:20
>>59437 >Is proton good enough for most games nowadays >https://www.protondb.com/ Yes. But you should always check the ProtonDB entry. Use Wine AppDB for windoze programs that aren't games. You could dual-boot for a few weeks and see if Proton supports everything you need (use windows disk management tools to shrink the windows partition). Also, since Valve is using Arch as basis for SteamOS now, you might want to try Arch (uses systemd) or Artix (Arch but no systemd). However, Proton/Steam does work on other distros, too. Also, Arch has an official installer now: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Archinstall But installing Arch manually isn't very difficult: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide (but Arch Linux's installation guide isn't as nice as Gentoo's). If you choose to use Arch/Artix, I recommend you install base-devel and rua AUR helper (https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/rua) for AUR support (just download/extract the snapshot of rua from AUR and run makepkg -si). Finally, if you are looking for a guide on the linux command line: https://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php
H.R. Giger · 2022-05-02 13:56
>>57666 usually my desktop is covered as I don't use it really haha
Neo · 2022-05-02 14:36
I only see this when nothing is open.
Nell · 2022-05-02 16:24
>>59469 Funny monitor resolution
Fred Nurk · 2022-05-03 12:55
>>58476 no bully but seriously what did you do to make KDE work? both on my desktop and laptop the tray icons are all messed up and it keeps freezing. It's almost like they purposefully make it a pain in the ass so that you use gnome. OpenSUSE just works with KDE
Fred Nurk · 2022-05-03 15:55
>>59473 typical for thinkpads
HELIOS · 2022-05-03 15:57
>>58476 KDE still exists? I don't even remember seeing any installation of KDE in real live in well over a decade now.
Yamaoto Toshi · 2022-05-03 17:15
>>59496 >It's almost like they purposefully make it a pain in the ass so that you use gnome. Fedora and Gnome are both Red Hat projects, so I wouldn't put it past them.
Apoc · 2022-05-03 19:46
>>59510 KDE is soykaf almost everywhere but opensuse and kubuntu
Junichi Fujiwara · 2022-05-04 18:49
>>59529 KDE is ok on void. I did have spontaneous freezes at first where the only fix would be to log out and back in again, but after disabling some (most) default desktop services such as the background SMB watcher, it's been stable.
Yamaoto Toshi · 2022-05-04 19:11
First time using zsh and bspwm, I'm liking it so far.
Unspecified · 2022-05-04 20:51
>>59575 Damn, looks really cool. I like it.
Void · 2022-05-05 02:49
>>59575 really like it, what font is that?
Sabo Engle · 2022-05-05 11:07
>>59575 is there any point to switch to bspwm from dwm?
Nobody important · 2022-05-05 18:17
>>59368 >>> hello satan
SHODAN · 2022-05-05 18:34
>>57921 Ok. I spiced it up a little. Found this very interesting DE/WM like hybrid. It's mostly built around fvwm with a lot of elements from the CDE - common desktop environment from the 90s! The theme engine is especially impressive. Try it out if you also absolutely dislike the new soulless flat 'minimalist' UI designs. https://github.com/NsCDE/NsCDE Has been fun playing around with fvwm since it's a very customizable powerful window manager. You can extend it with modules and stuff and and you don't have to create your own builds like you would for dwm. I also managed to add some tiling functionality. On the downside it's probably quite bloated compared to most modern tiling wms like bspwm or dwm etc.. >>58836 I haven's had motivation/time to try it out yet. The main game I want to play is Zelda Breath of The wild. But I guess there also are some other playworthy games for that console. For now it's just been lying there on the desktop, waiting to be played.
Nemissa · 2022-05-05 18:52
>>59588 it's terminus >>59592 never used dwm, I previously used i3, so I don't know
Yet Another Lainon · 2022-05-05 19:58
>>59592 If you have your own build and everything works fine the way you want it to, I see no reason to switch. If it's getting messy and you're tired of patching every little function manually, you might consider switching
Tyrell Wellick · 2022-05-05 22:14
>>59615 I like this one a fuarrrk ton better. I am gonna check out NsCDE myself and get off Chicago 95.
Crazy Jake · 2022-05-07 05:13
>>59615 This looks beautiful, i love the colors Also, Rozen Maiden, nice! I recently watched it, the 2nd op/ed are great
Nguoi La · 2022-05-07 06:41
>>59615 Very nice, retro but keeping the Unix identity. What is the program with the 立 icon on the tray? Some kind of IME?
Hagbard Celine · 2022-05-07 10:36
>>59668 >What is the program with the 立 icon on the tray It's tachidesk. The desktop port of the android manga reader Tachiyomi. Its accessed via the webbrowser. One can also create a webserver and sync the mangalibrary to other Tachiyomi instances.
Meddler · 2022-05-07 10:43
>>59628 >>59668 I also don't like those retro themes emulating old windows UI design on a *nix machine. There have been a ton of DEs that had features that haven't been introduced into windows until ~15 years later. For example the multiple workspaces which has been a feature in CDE already in 1992!
Tequila · 2022-05-07 12:07
>>59674 https://docs.maxxinteractive.com/ This might also be worth a try
Fixed Point · 2022-05-09 22:24
Trying out things. >>59615 I'd be interested to see the ram usage of that thing. I could run it for a few days if I feel like it. >>59575 I love your palette lainon. Can you post your palette or .Xressources please? >>59346 Beau bg. Bonne merde si tu es le même lainon qui devait étudier un nombre incommensurable de pages d'ici peu de temps. >>59314 I like this. Innocent and simple, very nostalgic icons/bar. >>59469 lmao. nik (the fetch tool I'm using) is a custom lua program. Ram usage is kind of off by ~500mb to 1gb upwards compared to neofetch and htop, I don't know why. Does anybody know of a x11 bar with a really small ram usage? Yabar raises my CPU usage a fuarrrkload and polybar uses up like ~80mb from experience which is way too much for a bar.
Mario Rossi · 2022-05-10 09:57
>>58790 Get out of my secret clubhouse, dad!
H.R. Giger · 2022-05-10 19:46
>>59780 I used lemonbar for a while, which worked pretty well.
Tequila · 2022-05-11 00:28
>>59780 Which font are you using?
The Fin · 2022-05-11 05:50
>>59780 https://files.catbox.moe/asm7c7.Xresources The .Xresources here Also love your palette lain
im not that artix developer btw · 2022-05-11 06:41
>>57683 comfy >>57691 looks unique >>57737 very impressive i love linux
Anonymous · 2022-05-11 08:13
>>59788 Non pensavo che avrei mai trovato degli italiani su lainchan
Jane Doe · 2022-05-11 13:51
>>59780 I think it's about 100mb. Not much more than plain wm
Tank · 2022-05-16 22:27
NsCDE is kinda awkward by default.
Papa Rudi · 2022-05-17 22:00
did you bother with making nvidia gpu work? Back in the day when I used that kind of trouble hardware there was a Bumblee software to make nvidia behave. I am awaiting a new device to arrive so far I have mostly used debian but the nvidia thing made me consider to installing mxlinux/mint to avoid the headache from setting it up under debian.
Papa Rudi · 2022-05-17 22:02
>>60018 was originally meant for >>59205
Delilah · 2022-05-18 06:07
words words words because you haveto write words
Guthrie · 2022-05-18 11:08
>>58513 That depends on what you're using it for. If it's a hobby OS, you'd better enjoy documentation. Otherwise, pick a distro you like, install whatever you need to do what you bought the computer for and ignore the elitists. Maybe grab a book on BASH or the command line. Pic related is a good one for beginners
Jet Black · 2022-05-18 18:58
>>58513 >manjaro stinky manjaro tries too hard to be babby's first linux for windows refugees, like ubuntu. If you WANT linux to not just be a windows replacement go with a distro that tassetly encourages it but isn't autistic like artix, alpine, void, etc., don't use any of the auto install scripts but follow the install/post-install guides on the wiki. >i even forget how to get to root in the console often then I can only guess that everytime you needed to get to root your brain switched to autopilot and you looked it up on stack overflow or something and it never went to long term memory. Don't treat learning like database management. >50 pages of documentation for general use you read documentation the same way you read dictionaries. As reference.
Ishikura "Tatsu" Tatsuhiko · 2022-05-20 12:23
Nobody important · 2022-05-20 20:49
>>60069 >arch >not fish >low uptime, indicating a decent update routine >xterm >openbox >old as fuarrrk, 2nd generation intel CPU Autistic and based. Would use for serious work.
leben · 2022-05-21 00:12
my home computer's desktop
Chani · 2022-05-21 13:39
>>59996 I always thought the CDE front panel was poorly designed.
Anonymous · 2022-05-21 14:33
>>60125 Fixed the dark theme to work with my new apps :)
Robert Knoth · 2022-05-21 16:56
>>57679 >+ painting as a wallpaper >>58234 looks very polished >>59176 why are u hurting yourself with MX? >>59205 >+ greybird, elementary >>59346 are you actually studying/working at medical field, lain? >>60107 a man of culture
Jens Hansen · 2022-05-21 18:42
>>57679 nice pape >>58234 nice system >>58409 indeed looks comfy. How difficult is live under alpine? >>58654 like the background color, reminds me of old times. Also Wayland is soykafe. >>59038 >>59168 >>59205 good taste >>59346 you seem like an interesting character
Sabo Engle · 2022-05-21 22:58
Just wanted to say that I LOVE to see these desktop threads using those 90's-ass looking themes and tiled wallpapers that look like they predate optical mice. Glad to see people having fun instead of trying to out-1337 each other like it used to be on /g/. >>58872 >>60127 These look amazing. May be proof that practically anything can look good as long as it's aesthetically consistent. >>57690 Looks enormously interesting. >input agnostic (keyboard, mouse, touch and even joystick) gui I did try to do that. I remember using antimicro to map joystick keys to wm commands and things like that, and looking for rare software that has a GUI with keyboard shortcuts for everything, plus a CLI/TUI alternative interface. Daemons worked great: things like mpd + mpc (CLI) + ncmpcpp (TUI) + Cantata (GUI).
Sipho Nkosi · 2022-05-22 01:33
>>59314 can you share your wallpaper?
Mitnick · 2022-05-22 02:29
>>59996 >>60125 >>60127 I didn't know about this NsCDE but from those screenshots i really liked it. I've always found old/retro design more comfy than the ones that are the "main thing" now. Do you like using this DE? Is it really "useful"? I'm using Arch Linux as main OS for the first time since the end of last year. It feels better and lighter than Windows and I got easily accustomed to using i3 as WM. It's a really nice to feel that you are the one in control of your computer. Maybe with some appearance it would be even better!
Undisclosed · 2022-05-22 06:44
All of these desktops look nice !
Koichiro · 2022-05-22 09:41
>>60144 >Do you like using this DE? Is it really "useful"? I use DeskView almost 24/7 at home and develop software with it. As a development environment I really like the Lua bindings for Motif. I can hammer out a decent prototype UI in 10-20 minutes with it and write fast, portable apps that don't need to be recompiled manually. NsCDE and the original CDE don't ship enough useful tools for me. They looked really cool but I didn't like having to supply my own audio panel and color picker when I just installed a full DE.
Technician · 2022-05-22 12:01
Hitomi · 2022-05-23 06:45
John Rain · 2022-05-23 12:27
New rice, what do you think
John Rain · 2022-05-23 14:01
>>60164 please share your wallpaper
leben · 2022-05-23 17:41
>>60134 I love your wallpaper lainon, very relaxing and quiet! Here's another photo with my fetch output too since you shared yours. I removed a few extensions because they were very unstable apparently. I have the wallpaper switcher one so this time its a different picture.
Sipho Nkosi · 2022-05-23 18:28
>>60161 Where did you get that wallpaper? I tried looking for it but couldn't find it.
Rick Deckard · 2022-05-24 00:17
>>60161 What's the point, on a wallpaper thread to share a screen capture of a vanilla Linux Mint instead of that gorgeous kiwis ?
Elliot Alderson · 2022-05-24 02:11
>>60174 here >>60185 too lazy to rice. i had i3 installed but i like cinnamon
Unknown · 2022-05-24 12:45
Finally managed to build RPCS3 on Gentoo. fuarrrking niggerware, I tell you: they enable -Werror everywhere but commit stuff that doesn't compile with it and have git submodules that download stuff by themselves (not using submodules), which is a no-no during configure phases in serious package managers.
Drano · 2022-05-24 13:02
>>60149 Looks great. Here's a GTK theme that could match if you don't have one already. https://store.kde.org/p/1013359/ >>60195 Why do people bother with source based distros? Seems needlessly painful. The only software I bother to compile myself and tweak the flags on are emulators.
Tyrell Wellick · 2022-05-24 13:34
>>60196 >Why do people bother with source based distros? Because you can customize and/or patch everything. Gentoo automates it a lot using USE flags, etc. You can also build everything with the CFLAGS you want. You can add -ipv6 to your make.conf and the package manager (portage) will disable IPv6 support for all packages (of course, you can customize everything on per package basis by using package.use). You can select bleeding edge versions of just 1 package and select stable versions (the default) for the rest of your system. You can filter software by its license (i.e. only install FOSS and then allow exceptions on per package basis). To install a package in Gentoo, you simply run: emerge $package as root (it is not much harder than any other distro). To get the available USE flags for a package run: equery u $package . For more info: >>58317
Neo · 2022-05-24 15:23
>>60196 Basically what >>60200 said $ find /etc/portage/{patches,savedconfig} -type f /etc/portage/patches/x11-wm/bspwm/bspwm-9999-put_dialogs_above.patch /etc/portage/patches/dev-lang/tcl-8.6.8/tcl-8.6.8-binary.patch /etc/portage/patches/dev-tcltk/tclreadline/tclreadline-2.3.8_historyexpansion.patch /etc/portage/patches/net-mail/isync/isync-1.4.1_master_slave_bullshit.patch /etc/portage/patches/net-news/sfeed-1.4/sfeed-curses.patch /etc/portage/patches/app-misc/ranger/nsxiv-support.patch /etc/portage/savedconfig/media-gfx/nsxiv-29 /etc/portage/savedconfig/x11-terms/st-0.8.5 /etc/portage/savedconfig/sys-kernel/linux-firmware-20220509 /etc/portage/savedconfig/x11-misc/dmenu /etc/portage/savedconfig/sys-apps/busybox /etc/portage/savedconfig/net-news/sfeed-1.4/themes/mono.h /etc/portage/savedconfig/net-news/sfeed-1.4/themes/mono_highlight.h /etc/portage/savedconfig/net-news/sfeed-1.4/themes/newsboat.h /etc/portage/savedconfig/net-news/sfeed-1.4/themes/templeos.h and stuff like using Xaw instead of GTK+3 with emacs. But another advantage of Gentoo that isn't really related to being source based is the general package quality/stability together with the size of third-party overlays (of much higher quality that script kiddie garbage like AUR, too). And let's be honest, Gentoo is a Lisp/ML/Forth of distributions: an end of the road for hackers who always want more control.
Lady 3Jane.. · 2022-05-24 22:45
Fedora 36 KDE wayland. I have used Fedora KDE since 2019. Daily driving Linux since 2011.
Six · 2022-05-25 00:21
>>60125 Could you share that leaves wallpaper from your wallpaper selector window please?
Aristóteles Amadópulus · 2022-05-25 13:48
>>60225 Here you go. It tiles seamlessly.
Leto Atreides I · 2022-05-25 14:58
>>60167 here bro post too short
John Doe · 2022-05-25 15:41
>>59467 >CCRU Numogram .sh files Explain
Molly Millions · 2022-05-25 19:41
recently upgraded to 22.04, but sadly ubuntu MATE gets more broken with every release. I would be on Debian or Void right now but gotta work and have no time for installing/configuring another system
Cowboy · 2022-05-25 20:03
>>60254 When you have the time, try Xfce4 or Debian.
J.C. Denton · 2022-05-25 21:52
>>60255 once i switch to either Debian or Void, i was actually considering using jwm instead since it can be a solid replacement for MATE when correctly configured. Xfce is awesome as a DE (i've tried it multiple times some years ago) but it never was my cup of tea.
Yuki Nagato · 2022-05-25 23:33
>>60254 What have been broken for you? I am using 22.04 but it has been running just fine. The only real issue I had was with ibus, but replacing it with fcitx fixed my issues.
Nell · 2022-05-26 01:44
>>60243 Thank you sir!!!
Netrunner · 2022-05-26 04:29
Here's mine using a light weight Debian configuration using MATE for my DE. ~350Mb of RAM usage on idle.
Bobby Newmark · 2022-05-26 20:42
>>60269 what are your gtk and icon themes lainon?
Unspecified · 2022-05-27 08:39
>>60283 My GTK theme is TraditionalOK with the Splint-Left window border, both of which comes with MATE by default. My icon theme is Tango2 https://www.mate-look.org/p/1180224
Molly Millions · 2022-05-28 03:46
>>60292 thank you anon :)
Jens Hansen · 2022-05-28 06:57
>>60223 How is KDE stability these days? I left KDE the third or 4th time akonadi (or whatever it was renamed to, was it baloo? The indexer software) was crashing my PC by using all memory.
Case · 2022-05-28 09:46
>>60306 Then don't simply bump it! Either post your desktop or browse r/unixporn.
Project 2501 · 2022-05-28 18:54
>>60307 It's stable nowadays, even on Wayland. There's bugs from time to time, but they get fixed. I always disable baloo though.
Ivan Horvat · 2022-05-28 20:20
Aristóteles Amadópulus · 2022-05-29 13:20
Koos van der Merwe · 2022-05-29 19:00
>>60328 Big fan of that. What's it look like with some windows open?
Dr. X · 2022-05-29 21:53
>>60361 my theme is kind of inconsistent to be honest, I've been meaning to fix it but haven't got round to it yet.
Ivan Petrov · 2022-05-29 22:59
>>60223 anon, would you be kind enough to share your wallpaper?
Shogun · 2022-05-30 04:07
>>60376 Here you go anon.
The Plague · 2022-05-30 05:43
>>60354 How has the haiku OS experience been so far ? I've tried installing haiku a while back but couldn't manage to get past the "done trampolining" boot screen. Anyways I wish you the best of luck in your Haiku OS experience!
Case · 2022-05-30 10:52
>>60380 I like it. It has most packages what I need like XMPP client, Internet Browser and Mail client. The only thing I annoyed is how this performance is bad when comparing with other OS, but I understand it's small and slowly maintained OS. I'm sure it's slower then OpenBSD. But mostly, I'm really happy with this.
Cat Mother · 2022-05-30 15:00
>>60383 That’s pretty cool, I hope that the performance improves too Also do you know how to get past the done trampolining screen on startup ?
Chani · 2022-05-30 15:49
>>60379 thank you, anon. really nice background
Eldon Tyrell · 2022-05-30 21:12
>>60386 >do you know how to get past the done trampolining screen on startup ? Not him but if it hangs at the splash screen it means your hardware is not supported. You might be able to hack your way around it or do temporary fixes but Haiku should boot to a desktop or installer app every time.
Nanashi No Gombe · 2022-05-31 11:18
>>60414 oh okay thanks then, yeah that's probably it then,
Emmanuel · 2022-06-01 00:53
>not using 9front What are you thinking, lain?
Apoc · 2022-06-02 20:40
>>60125 >I always thought the CDE front panel was poorly designed. I would just like to make it a little smaller. But if I'm doing any real work I'll switch to xmonad so it isn't my default DE.
kiwami · 2022-06-03 19:13
>>60445 based 9frontchad
Neo · 2022-06-04 01:48
>>60445 You can run netsurf on 9front? Last time I tried it I could only use mothra or that other browser, neither of which support css
Unnamed · 2022-06-04 12:18
>>60503 I usually prefer to use mothra, but yeah, there's a port of netsurf. You can read about it on the fqa.
Neuromancer · 2022-06-06 15:17
>>60503 http://fqa.9front.org/fqa8.html#8.4.5.6 https://github.com/netsurf-plan9/nsport
Turner · 2022-06-11 23:43
>>57690 >>57706 interesting project, but 3 months have passed since, any progress? >cells ~= widgets, windows are a grid, and cells are a defined area with content of that grid, there's no hboxes or vboxes got lazy with my toolkit once i found that binary split model is enough so my layout definition file now has deeply nested trees
藤原純一 · 2022-06-12 15:59
u are invited to #rice on Rizon :)
Crash Override · 2022-06-12 21:01
>>60653 Release the source code of your toolkit under a copyleft license. Now.
Nobody important · 2022-06-13 00:30
>>60653 This is so hecking beautiful, lain. Looking forward to a release, hopefully RMS is persuasive.
Liet Kynes · 2022-06-14 00:03
Void · 2022-06-14 00:32
I threw it together in a day. I use this laptop for "work", so I needed a desktop that isn't distracting. Red and beige is an underrated combination.
Hitomi · 2022-06-14 01:19
i think i only rice text editors at the end of the day. im not really good at much else but if you wanna deploy a few k8s from emacs i got ya covered lmao
Delilah · 2022-06-14 01:58
>>60738 > Red and beige is an underrated combination I totally agree, it looks great and comfy :o What WM are you using? >>60653 this looks beautiful!! i'm sure a lot of people here is hoping for a release of this, myself included <3
Hououin Kyouma · 2022-06-14 02:26
>>60740 I'm using Openbox
Dujour · 2022-06-14 03:37
>>60739 What's that Kurisu overlay on the terminal window, lain? It looks great.
Boris Grishenko · 2022-06-14 14:34
>>60742 lol perfect timing >>60743 https://github.com/doki-theme
Meddler · 2022-06-14 19:27
Man, some of these are really making me want to give tiling window managers another go. My main issue is that I switch my second monitor quite often (connect a laptop to whichever second monitor is available). Is there a way to easily set them up without using xrandr? This is a case where I really like using a more user-friendly GUI just for this.
HELIOS · 2022-06-14 19:33
>>60752 I ended up just switching to a single monitor, but arandr is serviceable. You can switch your monitors around graphically and generate xrandr scripts for whatever combinations you have, or just apply it directly.
Nameless · 2022-06-14 19:57
>>60753 Thanks lainon! Will have a look.
Molly Millions · 2022-06-15 01:40
>>60756 There's also lxrandr if your looking for something using gtk2 instead of 3.
Æblesmør · 2022-06-16 01:31
>>57737 I like this, very comfy.
Chani · 2022-06-16 16:13
>>58409 I just forced my way to DWM, because I like the feels, window management and behaviour. the only thing that bugs me is that I am too stupid to rice it. Any tips?
Undisclosed · 2022-06-16 17:21
>>60819 You might want to try the flexipatch. It makes adding and removing patches and maintaining dwm quite easy. https://github.com/bakkeby/dwm-flexipatch
Jet Black · 2022-06-16 18:01
>>60821 jesus, I patched the last 2 days over and over again, till i somehat was satisfied. but I hat the problem that dwm is like kicking dead whales down the beach out 80-90% of my cpu. I was thinking it came from browsertabs at first, but with every reboot I have ~90% cpu usage from DWM. I am now back on CWM
Dox · 2022-06-17 01:14
>>57691 here My desktop is pretty much stable, with few things changed. I'm very comfortable with how it is. The only things I changed was the pager dockapp. I also added a menu dockapp and changed the shade of gray of unfocused windows.
The Oracle · 2022-06-17 01:26
>>60837 Very nicely looking. Are you using BSD?
Arisu Mizuki · 2022-06-17 03:02
>>60837 >>60797 Not trying to throw soykaf here, but how can you stand that fuzzy chromatic aberration font anti-aliasing?
Æblesmør · 2022-06-17 11:07
>>60844 I think it looks fine. I barely notice the chromatic aberration unless I specifically look for it.
Unspecified · 2022-06-17 17:16
>>60837 >Belchior Chad Belchior enjoyer
Nobody important · 2022-06-17 20:19
>>57666 arch, xfce feels good man
Hagbard Celine · 2022-06-17 22:56
>>58102 based seamonkey user but why usenet?
Donna Hawthorne · 2022-06-17 22:58
>>58111 based king gizzard fan. they just announced 3 more albums this year
Shogun · 2022-06-18 02:46
Yu-ichi · 2022-06-18 20:10
>>60860 how i can rice xfce like that?
Fixed Point · 2022-06-18 20:45
>>59780 here, I've been busy. >>59802 I use OCR-A in st. >>59809 Thank you! I think I'm going to use this for my dwm/gentoo rice in a few days. >>59824 It's a mere bar, I don't really like how it uses up that much. I'll try >>59800 's suggestion later.
Roy Batty · 2022-06-18 21:22
>>60927 im using a custom oomox theme with the normal xfce panel, the terminal i'm using is terminator with the scientifica font and a custom theme, system font is terminus, i edited the pfetch logo for my distro and das it. the program on the screen is audacious with the dos-amp theme. im quite happy with it, its very comfy and feels like my very own cyber home.
Technician · 2022-06-19 16:38
Erik Johansson · 2022-06-19 17:22
I love these old custom xp themes
Zero Cool · 2022-06-19 18:44
>>57666 Might be slightly out of place, not especially interesting, but neat nonetheless. I'm a sucker for smooth color transitions. >>57690 Beautiful, evokes the look of an amber phosphor terminal. >>58872 Green isn't easy to pull off, well done. >>59038 I used to, if you consider sandy bridge old, that is. See >>58949 The lack of hardware video decoding for anything beyond h.264, high power consumption and dying battery really weren't great for my classes, not to mention using VMs on a dual core. Got a used, still fairly new probook, and it even gives my desktop a run for its money in some tasks, very impressed, similar upgradability to my x220, too. >>59615 >>59996 How long does it take to start? It being held together with python scripts has got to have a cost. >>60195 Building such a complex program is a journey and a half. At least it's not chromium. >>60837 I dig the glow effect around your windows, that's a neat use of coloured shadows. >>60958 Look into enlightenment for something similar on GNU/Linux. Lots of such themes, especially for e16.
Neo · 2022-06-20 00:42
gonna miss this setup - wiping and starting anew today. lasted a year and a half
Ransom · 2022-06-21 03:16
Have a love-hate relationship with KDE. Too bloated for my liking, but it feels like home. >>58896 Love this setup.
Æblesmør · 2022-06-21 23:50
Changed up some things, feedback is welcome. >>60860 Very cute tiling background, I love it. >>60958 Such nostalgia. >>60973 Looks good, how come you are wiping your setup?
Dr. X · 2022-06-22 03:35
Batou · 2022-06-23 13:40
i like colorado. just using standard linux mint with some theming changes. it's a pretty nice setup in my opinion.
Special Agent Bob · 2022-06-30 03:04
>>61058 your wallpaper, now.
Agent Jones · 2022-06-30 23:48
>>61313 Here you go, anon
Tomohisa "Tom" Kanezaki · 2022-07-04 12:16
>>61058 >>61340 Nice tile wallpaper lain. Appreciate. Anyway, do you have other similar wallpapers like that?
Emmanuel · 2022-07-05 05:00
>>61435 linux ultranoob here... what are some keywords to search for to get a setup with task bar and window like that? (if you would pardon me asking)
Hiro Protagonist · 2022-07-05 08:02
>>61472 Not OP, but looks like it's dwm (tiling window manager from suckless team) with dwm bar and floating st terms. The left term seems to be running ranger file manager or something similar. I'd say dwm is not easy for the beginner, so you might want to check awesomewm for the tiling manager. Turn off the window titles, enable floating for select windows, setup you bar and you pretty much have the same behavior and look with comfy lua scripting instead of manual C patching of dwm.
Dozer · 2022-07-05 11:27
>>61472 >>61475 answered your question. That's DWM. It has its own taskbar and windows border what you said. He said configuration is not easy for beginner, but actually config.def.h is really well written for users who want to change config even if you are a beginner. But yes, configure other files like *.c *.h are gonna make you annoy even if you try to patch things from suckless site because most of them are outdated. That means you should optimize them yourself. However I didn't patch anything. Also I didn't touch anything except the config file. Because default settings are enough great to use as daily driver. So I don't care. You can change color, keyboard shortcuts through it. Upper right, status bar is slstatus. It is also easy to configure. The file manager is ranger. Everything is default except that color, thumbnail preview and some keyboard shortcuts. He recommended you awesomeWM. That's good WM too. But DWM was my choice though.
The Plague · 2022-07-05 12:44
>>61483 61475 here. I'm actually a dwm user too atm, though I patched quite a lot. I just don't think it's a good beginner wm, unless you're a c-wizard. Might be my bias though, as I had a decent xmonad experience before dwm, and dwm's default settings and behavior seemed very counter-intuitive to me.
Debbie Charteris · 2022-07-05 13:23
>>61472 I recommend you check https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Window_manager#List_of_window_managers and https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_of_applications (install xterm/rxvt-unicode (urxvt), dmenu/rofi/wofi, perhaps conky and Tint2/xmobar/Polybar/lemonbar/Waybar). I'm not huge fan of Suckless' DWM. If you want an easy tiling window manager, I recommend trying i3/Sway or Ratpoison. If you want just a simple stacking WM, I recommend OpenBox or IceWM. Also, You can get some inspiration at: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dotfiles#User_repositories You can generate/select a color scheme at https://terminal.sexy/ >>61483 >awesomeWM That's good choice, too. Also, if you want to learn some Lua, I recommend https://www.lua.org/pil/contents.html
Undisclosed · 2022-07-05 13:42
>>61486 >I recommend trying i3/Sway or Ratpoison. If you want just a simple stacking WM, I recommend OpenBox or IceWM. This. IceWM is really easy to setup. You can change settings with mouse. Also openbox has obconf and obmenu. These will help you set easiler. i3 has a easy and good document in their official website too.
Unknown · 2022-07-06 04:25
>>61475 >>61483 >>61486 >>61488 wow okay thank you all so much for the info! i'm looking into everything at the moment, excited to set up that cool aesthetic
Cypher · 2022-07-07 00:02
>>61483 what screenshot utility are you using?
fsociety · 2022-07-07 03:01
>>60653 Answering kinda late to this but yes, plenty of work done! I've been away from the project for 2-3 moths due to having other priorities IRL, but I've picked it up back seriously 3 weeks ago. I reworked most the core / engine of the toolkit, I'd say around 70% complete (100% session management, 30% event loop, 100% config, 80% window functions, 80% panels and cells). Panels are equivalent to a grid layout definition, a cell can be assigned to multiple panels, and panels can be dynamically switched by the window to change the window's layout. And the whole project grew quite a bit in scope, (~x3 in locs) with extra features such as: - complete Xressources config, with multiple custom profiles that can be switched at runtime like gtk programs (through a custom pseudo X message protocol, with 2 defaults profiles : root and user). Profiles can be disabled at the user convenience. This could be considered bloat, but I'd like to play later with the ability to automatically change the theme with a light sensor. - complete rework from the ground up of the api and internal code, with encapsulation of critical engine components. Normally if you just use the api and don't touch xcb, you should normally not be able to crash / do out of order critical operations. - despite the encapsulation, the api still provides all xcb components that are normally managed by the core to bypass some features if specifically needed or expand to functionality. - the default cell/widget selection and be expanded upon easily, in fact technically speaking, provided cells types are extensions / presets of a generic cell. - ICCCM compliance and implementation of most EWMH client side window X11 properties. - automatic panel/layout switching depending on the size / shape of the window (by adding multiple panels to a single window, the engine takes cares of the rest) As an example on the first screenshot (which is a new setup btw), the bottom leftmost window shows the code for an hello-world with code from here >>57688, and the window just to the right would be the new clean api. The big vim window on the right monitor shows a chunk of the main api. I'm still not done mostly due to new features, but I'll try to finish it by the end of summer. In the meantime if someone is interested I've put the old code here that compiles to this >>57688 here : https://git.lain.church/bricks/hotpot-proto.git Make sure to check the README because its just a hastily put together MVP of pure spaghettium. So a lot stuff is missing or badly implemented. But it compiles easily at least. Second pic is an old dwm setup with ~20 patches (and a few custom ones) I had on a spare laptop. Also, great desktop lainon! Would be neat to see a release of your toolkit too! The more there are, the less gtk and qt are used.