helloSystem

After years of languishing in soykaf-tier desktop metaphors, soykafty college student design, gnometardism.... His exalted Majesty, Probonopd, creator of Appimages and prolific contributor of FOSS projects has decided to grace us mere mortals with a new operating system... one which will have a perfect design, allowing flawless drag and drop .app installation... a UNIX operating system based on freeBSD, with a unique desktop environemnt. Created Soley For helloSystem, to be designed according to the Apple Human Design Guidelines, word by word. The documentation and info on this most exalted project lies here, friends. Please look into it and know that your pain, your suffering, it shall all be over soon. The march of the 'system is steady and fast, and most importantly, FOSS. No longer will we have to tinker with obscure linux configs, gnometardery, distro wars, DE wars, package manager issues. All shall be made good and holy, as is the Eden our glorious Germanic Saviour has bestowed upon us. https://hellosystem.github.io/docs/

So, a freebsd fork with a wannabe macOS desktop environment, aimed for non-technical users who don't know how to edit configuration files and even package management has to be done with some kind of .app drag-and-drop clickety clack system? I don't see a use-case for this, if you are not a technical user you are better off with some babbys first linux distro, like Mint. Linux will be a better option for a non-technical user in pretty much every situation because it has more software ported to it and better hardware support. Weird project.

>>57139 To add to my comment, the only special thing I can think of regarding this project is the possible promotion and popularization of BSD to non-technical users. It could serve as an alternative first introduction to UNIX systems and grow the BSD community over the long term if it gets popular. That could be nice, maybe.

>>57141 It's made by someone who has created tried and tested technology before. So you know it's going to be good.

oh great, an operating system designed for fuarrrking idiots. good job op, you found what half the people here need.

>>57143 Thanks. It's a special talent of mine. Are you going to try it?

OP should abandon this project and just use MacOS.

All nice and fun wishy-washy stuff, but what about the security side of things? Is it any better than Debian or Guix? And as a new OS, is it half as powerful as even just Plan9?

>>57161 No one uses Plan9, Guix, or Debian unless they're hardcore autists who enjoy using flawed operating systems, or bored sysadmins trying to chase clout with their soykafty distros. The difference is this OS plans on actually being usable.

This really seems like a problem in search of a solution. normal people use MacOS because it's all a vertically integrated premium PC experience where everything looks nice and is easy to use and is supported by Apple. People who use Linux and *BSD use them because, not in spite of, them being highly configurable. Maybe there's some niche of people who really care about having a MacOS experience but don't trust Apple or don't like its hardware, but most tech people who use Apple products use them because they feel like it's easier to get their work done having an OS that just works (ime this only applies if you're completely happy with using your computer the way Apple wants you to). If this distro had a company behind it selling a tailored experience with a cloud service and hardware with it preinstalled maybe it'd kinda have a niche of more than a few people who just like MacOS but not Apple, but copying Apple is hardly revolutionary or interesting to me at all and I'm quite happy using FreeBSD as the complete system it's meant to be. >>57161 It's not a new OS, it's basically a FreeBSD distro that is trying to copy the design of MacOS. >>57168 >Debian >the basis for the most used Linux distros >one of the most highly regarded stable Linux distro >one of the oldest Linux distros around >"bored sysadmins trying to chase clout" I suspect you have no idea what you're talking about

>>57168 Not sure if this thread is a bait or if you just delusionally came to promote your project. I rate this thread a solid 2/5.

>>57169 BSD isn't complete at all. There's no GUI. It's complete dogshit if you want to do anything more than just set up an autistic rice to look cool online.

>menu items inside a task bar So, it's Unity all again. Good luck with installing any graphical software on *bsd, let alone using drag-and-drop, lol.

>>57138 Ignore the haters OP, this is a pretty nice project. imo there is a lack of nice looking, desktop oriented BSDs out there. i had the pleasure of trying out HelloSystem before, its a bit finicky of course given its a beta project but overall its a breath of fresh air as far as the BSD desktop oriented distros go

This sounds cool. I don't entierly like it because, frankly, I use weird operating systems because they're fun and weird and make sense to me. But most people aren't like that and kinda want things to just werk. Appimages do that, and still advance free software. Luck to this guy and I'll keep it in my back pocket in the future if a normal person friend/relative needs os suggestions.

>creator of appimages stopped reading there just when i thought this was gonna be someone finally making a sane GUI

>>57172 >isn't complete at all the whole point of *BSD compared to GNU/Linux is that while Linux is just a kernel and GNU is just a minimal set of core utilities to make a bare minimum functional OS, *BSDs are all projects where the entire system is developed by the same team. This is why OpenBSD is developed alongside httpd, relayd, opensmtpd, openssh, etc., FreeBSD is developed alongside jails, ZFS, etc... also, OpenBSD comes with a graphical system by default (xenodm, a fork of xorg that they also develop with the rest of the system). not only are you completely off-base in understanding what a "complete system" is in the technical sense as it would be relevant to a technical user, a professional one in my case, but you also are factually wrong about there not being a GUI. also, I don't understand where this myth about "autistic rice" comes from. most of the relevant aspects of my rice, my wm (stumpwm), my terminal (suckless term), and my editor (emacs) were either made about a year ago and require little maintenance, or I made them in less than an hour and then have barely had to touch them since. maybe that's because unlike you, I'm not some idiotic refu/g/ee who is clearly a non-technical user LARPing as one and actually know how to use UNIX-like OSes and also know the programming language that the main piece of my GUI environment (stumpwm) is written in and actively use the language. in summary: kill yourself and sage

>>57195 is absolutely correct. I didn't appreciate OpenBSD's completeness until I spent hundreds of hours fuarrrking around with other operating systems - all of which were horrible messes by comparison. If you use a desktop or have a laptop with supported hardware, please try OpenBSD. It is the nicest OS for modern use, as long as you're not playing games. >>57169 >This really seems like a problem in search of a solution. I don't agree. Any BSD is already a comprehensive operating system. Early MacOS was so popular and widely adopted because it added a UI layer on top of that, abstracting away a bunch of annoying, tedious soykaf. Unfortunately, MacOS has become increasingly buggy and convoluted to use. At least they still can produce a laptop that can fuarrrking suspend and resume properly, though. This project seemingly seeks to recreate MacOS when it had a good balance of functionality and usability. That's cool. I am sure I'm not alone: I don't give a fuarrrk about customizability - in fact I'd rather have as few customization options as possible as long as it means the OS getting out of my way and working well when I want it to. But I'm also growing increasingly weary of MacOS. >>57168 Plan 9 is the best operating system ever written and should be lauded if only for its beauty and as something to study. Guix is an interesting experiment. Debian is Debian.

>>57201 >Plan 9 is the best operating system ever written [...]. I disagree, that goes to Symbolics Genera. There's more to operating systems than UNIX and it's offspring.

>>57195 I refuse to believe that anyone sane wouldn't notice the intense cognitive dissonance between saying you don't have an "autistic rice" and then not soon after mentioning how you use some of the most unwieldy soykaf to configure if you aren't 'in the know'. Face it Jack, but I can honestly not be bothered to set up st, stumpWM, or emacs. Or how 'little maintenance' they need or whatever the hell. Most people aren't lisp coders and want a distro that comes with most things set up out of the box. You also seem to not understand that for most people interested in desktop computing, the core utilities used by their operating system are completely irrelevant to pretty much anything. I legit cannot tell why people push the 'musl+busybox' meme. As far as I know the busybox core utils and bsd coreutils work basically the same as the GNU ones, except the actual code is written in different styles and varying degrees of comprehensibility. As for musl as far as I can tell it in theory would be 'better', but in actuality distros that use it run much slower. I also think you might be trolling since you're saying OpenBSD is your choice for the 'best' operating system. It's not at all the best unless you want to set up some kind of secure server, and even then I don't see the point when something like debian or devuan exists. It appears to me that in FOSS operating systems there exists a certain type of autistic tribalism between what software is used, a type of tribalism completely alien with any actual present reality, which renders normally sane men into believing that an entirely TUI operating system is somehow a 'good system for modern computing'. The fact that you have to specifically get supported hardware for OpenBSD is also proof that it's soykaf. No way in hell I'm going to buy a whole new PC just to be able to try out your obscure hipster OS. It is my opinion, that you should probably kill yourself, glitterboy. And if you want proof of this, try introducing an irl or norman friend to your super 1337 and totally 'not autistic' rice, pal. Better yet, have them make their own config and tell me how long it takes them, if they even bother at all. glitterboy.

This guy has some good articles on interface design here but I'm somewhat disappointed that he's making a whole operating system instead of a modular desktop environment. https://medium.com/@probonopd/make-it-simple-linux-desktop-usability-part-1-5fa0fb369b42

>I legit cannot tell why people push the 'musl+busybox' meme. Who? >As far as I know the busybox core utils and bsd coreutils work basically the same as the GNU ones, except the actual code is written in different styles and varying degrees of comprehensibility. This is not the case. >As for musl as far as I can tell it in theory would be 'better', but in actuality distros that use it run much slower. This is not the case. >entirely TUI operating system Which? >The fact that you have to specifically get supported hardware for OpenBSD is also proof that it's soykaf. You have to do this on every OS.

>>57208 https://twitter.com/rijenkii_pub/status/1444672174913118217 I wouldn't trust some random milenial soy-guzzling germnigger to comprehend that majority of Earth's population uses more than one writing system on their computers, why would I trust him with making an OS or being in chage of GUI paradigm he has pulled out of his ass and Xerox PARC paper-pushing w*gger braindamage that was cool and hip among bureaucrats 40 years ago?

>>57138 The screenshot looks cool, reminds me of mac os tiger, but make a better OP text next time. Wish the best of luck to the project though, this is what I more or less want in a OS, I used freebsd before and it fits well to the view as long as they integrate zfs and other low level features with the work flow in the desktop environment, otherwise they should call it a desktop environment and not an OS. >>57230 This is quite stupid, specially if it keeps being like this after it goes beyond alfa stage. I use a different language at work, at home and when communicating with my parents, and I need 3 layouts to do that properly from my PC.

>>57230 He's actually acknowledged this in a recent blogpost. Why are you pulling year old tweets out in an attempt to smear this project? You afraid this 'soyOS' will blow your turbo extreme rice the fuarrrk out?

>>57138 See, Probonopd is right about everything, but helloSystem isn't stable enough for me yet. It also doesn't seem to get all too much development.

I have installed the OS. It is not stable, and has some issues on recent hardware, but it is one of the best OS i have tried. This is what I would want a just works OS to be, and what I had hope GNOME would be. I am a little bummed out about the BSD license, but everything else is looking good. I hope to see this becoming stable. The application philosophy is spot on, and right up my alley, since I love appimages.

>>57231 Youkrainian codemnokey, you? Your city is not shelled with Russian artillery yet? Better find that bomb shelter, pal. >>57232 0) I'm not autistic rice poster, I'm not interested in bikeshedding or BSDs until they offer more freedom to me than modern Lignucks. 1) I don't do "tweets", this is what I encountered in his third article, I just followed the jumplink. Took him 2 years to be reminded of this simple fact apparently judging by post dates. 2) He's also wrong about double click being "standard"; it is not, it's yet another w*gger braindamage. Modern mice have two buttons, one for context, second for "touching" objects. Back in Macintosh days there was one, so obviously a double click was needed. 3) Somewhere along he also says that Apple replaced old scroll with "natural" scroll, he links an article that doesn't really tell anything why new scroll is worse from user perspective other than "smartphones bad". I see, there are two metaphors, one is for moving position of a scrollbar like spinning a wheel to make it move down whilst page contents go up, the other is spinning a ball or globe or a treadmill interacting directly with surface of the page itself. I just made it all up, but this is how I see it, how does a professional UI designer would, I don't know, and apparently neither does this germoid. He doesn't try to explain why one is superior over other, why should "average Joe" care, an average Joe probably uses touch screen all day since age of 4, so the smartphone-style scroll is more natural to him, didn't you think of that? I get it, every first world millennial used computers with Macintosh OS since that age, so they're comfortable with all interfaces and metaphors. Modern kids equally have lots of time to waste learning Google's abominable flat interfaces and don't feel constrained by them. This is not an objective metric, to judge of what is good by what you have learned at young age. Where's science in your Computer Science, eh? 4) Most articles have product placement for his packaging software AppImage. Reminds me of ."disclosure: I'm a CEO of %productname%" on your average Hackernews thread. Can't tell anything about it since I haven't encountered a single piece of software in this format.

>>57240 Appimage is actually good tho. I admit the natural scrolling part was retarded but he makes good points everywhere else. And yes, double clicks ARE standard, stfu. I would definitely use appimages if I had a FOSS project I wanted to distribute.

>>57241 Double click soon becomes triple click once you have to shift focus on a window first, then open an item in it. Fine, modern window managers assume focus on mouse hover without highlighting window elements, but why should a click still be double? A field of check boxes for selecting items in a list is the appropriate solution, it's a usual thing in email inbox interfaces. You can't select items in file manager like Nautilus or Win Explorer with a mouse in list view. Using Shift+arrow only selects a range with no ability to deselect items in the middle. Selection is broken regardless of number of clicks, he admits it too.

not really my thing, but this is really cool to see. looks awesome too. i've been running alpine recently with just my regular i3-gaps setup

What the fuarrrk is the point of all this? i3 is user friendly enough and MUCH better to use than windows or mac.

helloSystem would be good if it was a desktop environment or (better) a Wayland compositor. >>57365 It's supposed to be a FOSS Mac lookalike. > i3 is user friendly enough kek, no. normal people want something like Xfce/Mate or KDE.

>>57385 > /g/ tourist misses the point. kek, have you SEEN how hard it is to change your font in GNOME compared to i3? in i3 it's only a few lines of config file in gnome you have to actually recompile the whole desktop from scratch, along with the kernel if it's patched like most distros'

This looks pretty neat to me. I like how apps are so self contained that you can literally just drag them to other drives and carry them to other computers and they still work.

>>57984 >in gnome you have to actually recompile the whole desktop from scratch, along with the kernel if it's patched like most distros' What are you talking about? Wasn't there a group of options on GNOME Tweaks or something for fonts? Or fontconfig, in the worst case? What does the kernel have to do with font rendering?

>>57986 Smalltalk systems did this with running programs, decades ago. None of this Appimage stuff is impressive.

>>57984 Apparently GNOME Tweaks fully automates the recompilation of the entire GNOME desktop AND the distro's kernel and then replaces them both in real time. And in a matter of seconds! Truly a feat of engineering.

>>57168 >Debian is flawed How is it flawed?

You could've just said that it's freeBSD that works like macOS. You didn't have to make it sound like this grand holy OS in between you sucking the dick of the guy that made it.

>>57168 >>58041 >>Debian is flawed >How is it flawed? Debian is not flawed in any way (except it uses SystemD). Debian stable is designed to be really stable. It's primary use-cases are servers and computers in workplaces. Debian testing and Debian unstable are usable on a desktop or a laptop. (Actually, Debian stable can be used on a desktop/laptop if you don't need very up-to-date packages (you still do get security updates on stable, but not feature updates))

>>58019 > Posting nonstandard piece of software that doesn't come with the desktop by default Ask me how I know you're from soyjak.party Gnome tweaks isn't a part of the actual Gnome settings app, nor is it a viable excuse for soykafty design decisions within Gnome. Wow! Instead of having a sane choice of fonts I have to pick and choose my own instead of having good, easy to read pre-installed fonts AND sane defaults.

>>58044 I know that Debian is stable. I will usually use Debian if I need to install a distro that is ready to use and doesn't require much effort to get running. I just wanted to know anons mindset on this wild claim.

>>58047 You made a claim. It was wrong. Even if you don't want to use GNOME Tweaks, you can do it from the command line. No recompilation required. Besides, I thought that you were mad that you couldn't pick and choose your font like you can in i3. Now it's about sane defaults? In i3 you need to know EXACTLY what font you want. At least in GNOME Tweaks you can choose from a list. In any case, notice that the screenshot I took is of the defaults. In fact, I had to install the Tweaks app to take it, since I don't change the settings it exposes. Cantarell is perfectly readable. Ask me how I know you're from Reddit. Actually, why not just save us both some time and go back now.

>>58067 Ask how exactly I know you're Shevy-Ruby from reddit. Again and again posting your idiotic soykaf takes on here thinking we'll back you up and help you raid LE STUPID LEDDITORS despite being one of 6 years. As for tweaks, ---- Let's be real here Jack. We're not touching the commandline, nor are we interested in Cantarell. Cantarell is an obsolete, unreadable font used soley by webdevs to soykaf up the ecosystem. A sane default would be Google Noto Fonts - All of them, in every language. Installing Noto Fonts on i3 Is quick, easy and simple, does not require the installment of an arcane and ancient piece of unmaintained buggy software to change fonts. Here's a challenge for you GNOMEtards, try installing several fonts at a time. Can't do it huh, despite most fonts coming in large families you'd want to install in batches. In i3 this is as simple as putting them in your fonts folder and changing a setting so simple even a fuarrrking retard could do it. Go home, redditor.

These freebsd distros are the biggest jokes. They're on par with those cruddy (not even) soykafbox mac themes people used to make for windows. Please don't bother, really, you are wasting your time. They aren't that different from the freebsd base system, you are much better off just using freebsd, you will have issues getting help, support or even updating the system. That also goes for furybsd, these are no more than punjabi vanity projects meant look good on their resume.

>>58074 Ask me how I know you have no friends.

>>58067 Cantarell looks bad but then I think gnome has some .rc file somewhere that you can pick fonts like with i3 but I'm a kde person, I do this on my gtk settings but idk about gnome ui >>60153 Most people have fake friends, maybe people with similar interests or coming in the same undergrad batch as you but those can't be considered a close friends and nope not even "fwb" are one, having a real friend you can rely on is worth gold and sometimes there's only one per lifetime but usually none for most. People are connected but never truly care about others. Friend is nothing but an illusion, there is only loyalty or lineage, everything else will betray you.

>>60154 >Most people have fake friends... I was trying to say that >>58074 sounds like a pretentious nerd getting angry over literally nothing of importance and that I can smell the smegma coming off his post. Eluding to the fact that he probably hasn't left the house and saw a real human being in months. Everything you said is right though but just not applicable here.

>>57139 I think one of the largest obstetrical enormities face when porting over to linux is understanding the package managers and utilities and how programs are actually utilized on a linux system. I mean, think about it, on windows (undoubtedly the most popular normal person operating system) people can literally download a file from anywhere and run it with no auditing what so ever and that has become what people have familiarized themselves with, so, when you get on ubuntu or mint and you can't just download and run anything you want it throws people for a loop. But people don't even use computers anymore. The average consumer is trapped in the phone matrix.

>>60435 Not really, you can do the same thing like in windows, except most people prefer to just use a package manager because it's simpler and easier to install the soykaf you want using it.

>>57195 >OpenBSD comes with a graphical system by default It comes with a bare bones window manager and xterm. You're being a pedantic aspie and you know it. Nobody is getting real work done with FVWM alone. You have no other choice but to install other packages on top of it.

>No longer will we have to tinker with obscure linux configs, gnometardery, distro wars, DE wars, package manager issues Didn't like the name and logo. Forked.

>>57138 Interesting project. It seems the GUI is made with Qt. Do you know if it uses xorg or wayland?

I hope freebsd power management is improved or gets something like tlp so I can use this on my x250 in the future.

>>58044 I use Devuan Stable for my desktop because it's difficult to break. I can install a bunch of little things alongside the base OS (mostly my own applications into /usr/local/bin, and tweaks to run my desktop as root user) with ease (because the system is relatively simple to comprehend) and it will keep running. With e.g. OpenBSD, I couldn't figure out the convention for installing my own stuff, the WM was more difficult to tweak (I like to use the settings GUIs to get comfy, before e.g. moving to i3), and I'm not sure if I can run all user apps as root by default as easily.

>>58041 It isn't, aside from X and SysTemD it's the perfect operating system. Anon is baiting.