*BSD vs Linux

Hey Lainons I've been considering the *BSDs since I've realized that they're not really that far behind linux hardware support wise except OpenBSD compared to Linux, and I've heard that their kernels are much more efficient and faster compared to the Linux kernel. I've also seen that the *BSDs tend to have soykaftier hardware support like OpenBSD when compared to linux. I also think that its licensing is pretty bad since it allows Corpos to bend them over and fuarrrk them up however they want, although supposedly the BSD license prevents corporate meddling of the sort that is happening with Linux with Red Hat and Systemd. Also contradictingly I've heard that BSDs are slower, yet on the FreeBSD forums I see posts saying that some linux binaries run better on FreeBSD through their linuxlator than in a linux system proper.

>>51465 >I've heard that their kernels are much more efficient and faster compared to the Linux kernel. Just because it's exotic doesn't mean it's better.

>>51467 Geez im just asking whyve you gotta be so mean m-mister

kernels have compile options so performance contradictions might come from people using these options.

The worst piece of *BSD documentation is probably still better than the best piece of GNU+Linux/systemd+/-*^3GPL+IBMcoredumpsnappyflatpak documentation. That alone is good enough reason for me to use a *BSD, I personally like OpenBSD the best. Very easy to setup, configure, and maintain. Just werkz for any sane person task provided you have at least a 6th grade reading level and the ability to type "man." Speed for FreeBSD and Net is good. OpenBSD is slow by default, but can be configured to be faster. Hardware support is good. The only big drawback is wifi, which is soykaf on all *BSDs. But...you aren't really relying on wifi 24/7 right, lain? Can't comment on tasks like gaming, CAD, GUI video editing, etc...but its probably bad to mediocre depending on the details. I suggest you use one of them in a virtual machine or some secondary piece of hardware to see if the trade-offs are worth the recovered pieces of sanity.

>>51478 Most unix-based systems rely on wifi if you need to update or something, nigga. You never catch the 'acker, rollin with no BSD Cause BSD ain't soykaf, you saw my *NIX distro is thick Whole bunch of noodlecodes, the python scripts and lisps Nigga, we hatin on them cuc|<s like we hate the feds Bitch, can't you see?! Fall back away from me Me and my niggas bumpin PGP in the XMPP Now encrypt it to the left, and send it to the right Cause when you do the *NIX, nigga got to do it right

>>51465 fbsd can handle heavy loads better but probably performs a little worse in terms of speed than linux to be honest in my experience. Hardware support is fairly good now on freebsd unless its really new, its basically what linux was 5 years ago in terms of software support.

>>51485 2010 was 11 years ago gramps. Linux software support was fine in 2016. Get with the times old man.

>>51489 can i install photoshop ?

>>51492 Go fuarrrk yourself

>>51489 >>51492 >>51494 can someone make this a banner lmao

>>51499 I hope you enjoy lainon.

>>51492 https://github.com/Gictorbit/photoshopCClinux

>>51465 Just dive right in. You might be pleasantly surprised at how well things are in BSDland. People hark on about this again and again but the BSD documentation is really stellar. It's one of the best pieces of software manual and documentation that I've personally come across. It's written in such a way that even if you're not a software engineer or a CS graduate that you'll be able to have an adequate enough understanding of your computer system. Also, I don't think that it's the license per se that prevents corporations from meddling with the BSDs. Since the BSD license are technically more free than the GPL. I think the reason why the BSDs don't often find themselves being messed with various corporate entities is purely to how they're developing the software. BSD as opposed to GNU/Linux is written and developed as a whole unit. That means that every single part of the base operating system, the kernel and userland, is being developed and maintained by the same group of people. There is no divide between the two aspects of the system and as such rogue entities can't just unilaterally steer the development of the project the way systemd is doing in Linuxland. Regarding the speed, between FreeBSD and GNU/Linux I honestly can't find any noticeable difference between the two. OpenBSD, admittedly, is a tad bit slower compared to FreeBSD and I haven't tried NetBSD yet.

>>51539 >Since the BSD license are technically more free than the GPL. Yes and, technically, America is the Land of the Free.

>>51550 Any license that restricts me, for whatever purpose, from doing what I want with my software is less free than a license that doesn't.

>>51550 I just think alternative operating systems are cool is all. It's a shame most of them have licenses one could call person who enjoys to watch his wife get pounded by strangers licenses though.

>>51568 Eh, it's (very broadly) about long term freedom and short term freedom. While BSD allows you to do whatever you want, in long term it allows companies to take that code, alter it, put it in use by millions of people thereby making sure you essentially just worked for someonne else instead of a community that benefited as a whole from your work, but you also make lot of poeple dependent on a codebase that you wrote a large part of, but now is essentially proprietary. It's kinda like saying (removing the obvious issues this statement has in real world) we should have freedom for those who want to make sure we aren't free.

>>51572 I understand your point and I do see the merits of long-term freedom vs short-term freedom. However: >It's kinda like saying (removing the obvious issues this statement has in real world) we should have freedom for those who want to make sure we aren't free. But isn't that the point of freedom? To be able to allow someone regardless of intent to manifest their intent. Also, suppose that we're barring people from manifesting their intent because we disagree with it doesn't that make us no different from those we are trying to bar? Further, I think that wholly free projects tend to outlive non-free projects. So suppose that a non-free piece of software gets built on top of a free one, over time the free one will remain updated as the non-free ones wither with once development support ceases. But as with all things, I'm open to change my view on it.

>>51574 One should reject digital cu<koldry at all costs. One need only read the tragedy of the MINIX and the IME to know the sufffering permissive licenses can bring upon the world.

>>51574 >But isn't that the point of freedom? To be able to allow someone regardless of intent to manifest their intent. Also, suppose that we're barring people from manifesting their intent because we disagree with it doesn't that make us no different from those we are trying to bar? Well yeah, that's why I said to ignonore the issues this has in real world. The thing is we all want freedom but one freedom might conflct with freedom of the other, so we have to find way to move around that. A very drastic example might be I am fine with people going to jail for murder, because while it restraints their freedom it gives me freedom to walk on the street without fearing for my life. And I know this is very drastic, but on a less serious scale I think this applies to software too. Not that I'm dogmatically against permisive licenses. Some project probably benefit from it. I just prefer the non-permisive ones. >Further, I think that wholly free projects tend to outlive non-free projects. So suppose that a non-free piece of software gets built on top of a free one, over time the free one will remain updated as the non-free ones wither with once development support ceases. That's true. I obviously prefer free licenses compared to the non-free ones whenever they are permisive or not. The non-permisive ones just also have a nice trick up it's sleeve where they infect further software while the permisive ones don't. And we certainly have lot of propriatery stuff build upon open source that earned billions. But really, which one you use is up to you.

All BSDs come with proprietary firmware. There are no libre BSD variants, and attempts to make such have been met with derision from the BSD community.

>>51577 That's about as silly as blaming gun manufacturers for gun violence. What's next, we should stop using kitchen knives because someone killed someone with a kitchen knife?

>>51584 Yeah. I'm also neither dogmatically against nor for a particular kind of license. I do agree that certain things work best for certain uses. It's just that, to me, it feels slightly disingenuous to claim "software freedom" while twisting the arms of other people to abide by your own rules. Actually that was one of my first gripes when I was getting into the whole "Free Software" movement. Don't get me wrong, I fully advocate for software freedom and I think as our societies become more and more intertwined with technology that it becomes more and more imperative to have software freedom. But the whole "yes, my library is free but if you use it then you also have to, by law, share yours" strikes an odd chord for me. For me this is a cultural thing rather than licensing or legislation issue. As long as people are willing to believe the myth that by hiding their source code that their software will {make them money, be fully secure, be desirable to other people} then we'll continue to have non-free software regardless of whether the GPL exists or not and, in my opinion, no amount of licenses, permissive, non-permissive or non-free, will improve that. This is a good conversation though. I learned a lot and I enjoy talking about different viewpoints with someone without devolving into slurs and general brewing soykaf.

>>51587 >BSDs are usable by normal people and not just weird tech autists >This is bad The fight for libre hardware has to be won before the fight for libre software. Otherwise people will think that freedom simply isn't worth the cost, when they already have a machine that works. Some freedom is better than none, however, so if proprietary blobs are necessary, we'll support them for as long as we have to.

>>51535 Great work lainon. Caught on 450x150