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Are there any good phones that offer at least some level of privacy protection, while still being able to run standard apps without too much hassle? I read up a bit about Fairphone, is this the only option on the market or does it have competitors? Is the fairphone a good choice or not FOSS approved Replicant would be ideal but it seems like it doesn't support anything newer than phones from 10 years ago. Is lineage OS good? I haven't kept up to date on FOSS phone operating systems. Lineage seems to have support for a lot more devices, is it simple to install and maintain? I need to be able to use banking and ID apps for this phone.

Get a used Pixel and put GrapheneOS or CalyxOS on it.

>>51018 I use lineageOS on my redmi by xiaomi, lineageOS has a firewall, which can block any type of internet connection. That with using Insular (find it on fdroid) in "God mode", for freezing apps (adb shell pm block) without PC is great. I removed the Bluetooth system app, because I don't use it anyway. If you need google play services then don't bother installing a custom os, because the ones that depend on it to the point they won't start without it are spyware 100% of the time. If you are really are hARdCoRe PrIvAcy then download adguard crack and block things you don't like (don't be dependent on the filter lists) and disable cloudflare and google certificates.

>>51018 fairphone is for virtue signaling yuppies

>>51021 >>51022 Is graphene and lineage able to run banking apps? I have considered carrying 2 phones, one ultra private with grapheneOS or Replicant and one regular proprietary phone for the apps I need but it seems a bit overkill and cumbersome for my current needs. Ok so I read up a bit more and it seems like the ID banking app really needs microG, so I guess my options are really between lineage and e/os (the fairphone fork of lineage)

>>51022 >If you need google play services then don't bother installing a custom os, because the ones that depend on it to the point they won't start without it are spyware 100% of the time. Does the google play services package itself spy on you? Or only enable other apps to spy on you because that's an important distinction.

>>51030 Get something small like the Jelly 2 to hotspot google apps

>>51033 >Jelly 2 Interesting, is there a device like this but with a removable battery?

>>51034 lol, no. Just turn it off when you're not using it. It has a 2000mAh battery and it supports ADB/developer mode, so you can remove all nonessential junk you don't want.

>>51039 not really cutting it then if i wanna go full tinfoil mode. these phones can listen in even when they're turned off as long as the battery is in

>>51040 It's not gonna have an internet connection until you hotspot it, assuming you go that route. Get a faraday bag if you're that paranoid.

>>51041 A faraday bag blocks the modem from communicating with cell towers, but it doesn't stop the microphone recording any conversations it can hear. Then when the modem reconnects that data can be exfiltrated. Since pretty much all cellular modem firmware is closed source and presumably remotely controllable, we really need a modem that is hardware isolated from the SoC, a removable battery or hardware kill switches. Right now I only know of the pine phone and librem 5 which do all that, but neither run Android. It is possible to run android apps on pine phone with Glodroid, but currently no telephony, gps or bluetooth is working. Wi-fi only https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/PinePhone_Software_Releases#GloDroid

OP if you just want to run Android apps and don't need the mobile aspect you could use an Android emulator on your PC or purchase one of the many inexpensive ARM single board computers that can run Android.

>>51049 I'm just saying that you're not going to find a phone that small with a removable battery and the apps you need. Why do you need the banking app anyway? I can do my banking just fine on my PC and at ATMs.

>>51032 Google play services register your phone on google and you have to sign into google account. It also allows things like contact tracing, ... also when ,out of curiosity, I tried official YouTube with microG it didn't work, because you need correct signature ( requires root )

>>51050 Piggybacking on this thread, are there any good emulators that run on the BSDs? There's Anbox for Linux, but it's obvious it's not compatible with BSDs (except through Linuxulator, but running a compat layer on top of a compat layer sounds dumb to me right now). I've tried some ISOs in Virtualbox, but they don't work at all. I don't usually need any "apps" and I've been using a dumbphone for months without any problems, but seeing as my soykafhole country tries to "digitalize" various government stuff I'm afraid I might have to run some app soon and want to be prepared.

PostMarketOS community or main supported device w/Anbox. No Google cancer.

How is grapheneos experience on google pixel?

>>51086 I'll let the pictures do the talking

>>51018 Fairphones aren't privacy focused. They're focused on repair. FP3 has a few hardware issues, like a poorly grounded screen. If you want to buy an FP device get FP2, it has better OS support. >banking and ID apps Use a web browser. Don't install malware. >>51032 >Does the google play services package itself spy on you? It a system app which has 250+ permissions and Google's tracking libraries. >>51069 >Google play services >you have to sign into google account False. >>51049 There's no point in using a "secure and private" phone but then installing a fuarrrking "banking and ID app" on it. Just buy a 2nd phone.

>>51091 wtf, how? >>51101 what do you think about getting a pixel and running graphene, and then either running a few apps in their gservices sandboxes or alterantively getting a small cheap second phone for such apps?

>>51018 Lineage is okay. Grephene and Calyx are better than Lineage if you more focus on privacy. But Those are only supported for Pixels. >I need to be able to use banking and ID apps for this phone. All banking apps are required Google Play Services. And You must get it through flashing Gapps if you use custom roms. Also they won't work with MicroG. They'll kick off microG as an malicious application. But that's okay, it's better than still using stock roms with fully bloated by googles and hardware providers' pre-installed apps. I suggest you use with aurora stores and only google play services. I know It's not the best, but better. I'm using like this too.

>>51122 I had this whole thing written up but I'm getting this BS "please write a better post" soykaf. tl;dr I run an extremely utilitarian/lightweight setup but even I was surprised and quite thrilled at the battery performance I get

How does full disk encryption work on Android? I heard they changed it from regular LUKS to file-based encryption. Is it possible to choose?

>>51150 True full disk encryption is only possible with coreboot/libreboot using a bootloader payload that can decrypt, and I'm not aware of any Android phone with that kind of user control over BIOS.

>>51152 This answer doesn't make any sense, is someone training their robots with /g/ copypasta again?

>>51165 Which part of it confuses you exactly?

>>51018 > that offer at least some level of privacy protection You're missing the point. As long as you rely to 40 different companies with different privacy policies your privacy's gonna be whack and you have to cover yourself from these 40 or so companies. By using the internet and a device and some app you'll probably require about 10 different companies for it to work and all of them want your data not to mention how your router is probably proprietary. I think pic related is pretty okay, it's the only modern phone with lineage thatis non oled and has a somewhat good camera. If the banks let you use web browsers, and a security token then just go with that. Idk about ID apps, you mean covID (certificate of vaccination identification)? >>51091 Is that fairphone? Seems like a deodex rom with a few kernel settings. The new battery save setting also changes cpu governor on android now. >>51152 >>51150 It's a scam on phones, what happens is everything is decrypted when you see the lock screen. >>51165 It makes sense, core/libre can do it but you can still use normal bios and lvm but you'll have to use a separate usb boot+key which isn't probably full encryption due to that usb part.

>>51122 running these apps on any phone that is not something like the librem is a security hazard. what lvl of security are you actually going for here? it either is or it isn't botnet backdoored bullshit. and all banking apps are backdoored.

>>52219 Except for the lack of a headphone jack, this is quite decent, actually. With Micro-G most bank apps work on it. It is the only compromise I am willing to accept, just need to find a good solution for the headphone jack.

>>51122 >year 2005 >monochrome phones use too much power, high SAR-rating and inefficient hardware >500-1000mAh >year 2021 >phoes running at highest energy efficiency >3000mAh-5000mAh I guess they made it "bloated" to keep you buying more. I underclocked a note 1 with cyanogen before and it lasted about a week that I got tired of waiting until its battery runs out.

where did all these anti smartphone kiddies who are dependent on smartphones come from? i swear 2010 onward there must have been a ton of action movies showing people getting pwned from their smartphone with uber spytech and they all grew up on said movies and their smartphone was god before that and whatever privacy theatre crap they consumed from media. mobile phones were always crap. literally a giant mass of exponentially expanding proprietary coproware and protocols and physical layers. even the direct predecessor of smartphones - symbian - was a complete POS security nightmare. in 10 years from now we're going to have a generation of 40 year olds who worship symbian like old japanese consoles and have never actually understood the security properties (a superset of "privacy") of these old tech beyond some idiotic high level opinion from newspaper spam >>51018 >"""standard""" apps do you mean Google Android compatible apps or Apple iPhone compatible?

>>53795 Lack of headphone jacks is because they tend to fail a lot so instead of building better jacks they removed them. It's easy enough to work around you just need a DAC to plug into the USB port to use wired headphones.

>>53863 I don't like it to be honest. Yet another point of failure, un necessary stress on the USB C port, extra connections to a device etc. I am starting to think that I should just get a Fairphone 3 next or buy a small portable media player such as the fiio M3X. I wish there were dongle dac's like DD hi fi, more metal less plastic etc.

>>51018 You do not need to be able to use a banking app. You can do banking on your bank's website. If your bank only allows you to do certain things (like depositing checks) via the app, then keep your old phone, and use that when you (likely very infrequently) need to use the very particular spyware programs you've convinced yourself you need. I find it very odd that someone would want a more private operating system, but shove all the same spyware junk right back on it. The minute you throw GApps (play services, play store, etc) on there you're rooted by Google all over again.

>>53902 In the near future you will need to use your phone to authenticate your card payments. It is already like this in some cases

>>51150 Since Android 10 it seems that full disk (block device) encryption on regular Androids is not possible anymore [1] [2] [3]. Additional hue moment: unlocked bootloader and removable battery both help performing cold boot attack. It's easier to flash-freeze a phone than say a laptop, and even a pleb laptop would at least have a boot password or hardly-accessible RAM, e.g boot sequence not entirely accessible in rushed approach. >>53856 For one, back in Windows Mobile and Symbian days there was no worldwide blanket surveillance or requirement for smartphones to be always connected to mother corporation servers and have lots of spyware installed for any member of civil society to function. Those were simpler days, and you can not deny that, future 40 year-olds were also more naive and unsuspecting of this world's cruelty. A smartphone back then was basically a pocket sized computer with cellular phone function and relative freedom of choice in regards to software. While certain modern smartphones allow greater flexibility and are more akin to all-purpose personal computer than those 10+ years ago, the majority of people carries an explicit always listening locked-down spyware device in their pocket when mere 10 years ago they did not even if remote listening function was possible to exploit by select nation-state actors (nowadays it's available to every skid who published a flashlight app on playstore). >>53900 It's cheaper for manufacturer to not put headphone jack and associated circuitry. They sell you the same product with lesser components. It also "stimulates economy" through sales of third party wireless headphones and associated accessories needed to keep power-hungry radio equipment like power banks. Smartphone manufacturers are in wireless headphone business themselves [4] [5], they are the beneficiaries. Like Apple, for example. I rarely see people wearing wired headphones these days, everyone seems to have these silly wireless plugs Internet used to laugh at few years ago when Apple released them. >>53902 To use most bank websites and to pay online (3D-secure merchants) you need to either receive a text message code or code in bank's "app". Second channel is more secure from carrier network eavesdropping, and usually doesn't require you to be on cellular network to receive said code, you can connect your phone to wifi or even ethernet. Btw, has anyone tried running bank apps on separate ARM computer or virtual machine, a lobotomized cheap lineage supporting phone with VNC? [1] https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/212370/how-to-change-the-encryption-key-on-rooted-android-9 [2] https://source.android.com/security/encryption#full-disk [3] https://old.reddit.com/r/LineageOS/search?q=full+disk+encryption&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all [4] https://www.theverge.com/2016/9/8/12839758/apple-is-biggest-winner-from-killing-headphone-jack [5] https://web.archive.org/web/20161003222143/https://www.npd.com/wps/portal/npd/us/news/press-releases/2016/bluetooth-capable-headphone-sales-surpass-non-bluetooth-sales/

>>51030 GrapheneOS allows for sandboxed google play services which work better than MicroG from my experiences. https://grapheneos.org/usage#sandboxed-play-services

>>53900 I own a fairphone 3+, and, it is an alright phone, but it is definitely getting old and still quite expensive for what you get. Also, fairphone doesn't really do much for privacy except allow you to install a custom rom. It being not waterproof has been a hassle for me, but I live in the netherlands, where I end up cycling through rain a lot. Also, you can't get the camera app outside of the os though, which is a pain, cause opencamera seems to have some problems with the white balance on this thing. Also, the flashlight has a slight green tint which is odd. I do like the screen brightness range though, it can go really low. Those were just a few thing which I thought would be nice to know if you actually plan to buy this thing.

I use a pixel 4a with grapheneos as my only phone, and I have for years. It's perfect--no issues at all.

>>51030 I'm on a note 5 pro and most of my finance apps work ok without GAPPS but my main bank's doesn't. Its a total crapshoot I think my next phone will be something graphene compatible purely for this reason As to privacy on a phone you have to bare in mind that you leak info to way more people than Google. Degoogling is definitely a big positive step but you still have your financial stuff, your browser and apps that connect to the internet you use. I firewalled the food tracking app I was using and it went ballistic without being able to phone home all the time, any kind of corporate software is a complete privacy nightmare Its annoying how close a pure solution from fdroid is to working for me but I need some proprietary stuff and some stuff does have open replacements but they don't work very well.

>>53931 NTA but planning on buying a Pixel 6 and flashing GrapheneOS, or CalyxOS if I find a problem (I know, muh microg). My only real concern is any unreliability with phone calls, Signal/SMS or basic syncing (Dav5, email). Hopefully it works smoothly. Hopefully Graphene will be fine.

>>51018 iPhone is the most private. google sells phones at a discount in turn for selling your data iPhone has resisted FBI orders iPhone has private cloud data that only you can see you get what you pay for

>>55086 Custom operating systems fix that issue.

>>55086 Have you considered that the FBI incident was only a PR stunt? They've managed to get access without their help anyways shortly after. Most of the systems apple builds aren't at all structurally different from google's and I don't believe for a second that the biggest revenue tech corporation of the US doesn't abuse the unique position they're in by selling all that data in some form or otherwise benefitting from it. Anyways I can't believe I'm responding to an apple wage slave on lainchan, but then again, it's current-year now. Next thing you'll probably tell me is to buy a mac book!

>>55086 >iPhone is the most private. google sells phones at a discount in turn for selling your data This has been untrue for like 4 years now

>>55086 This was always false. Always remember news can be manufactured and falsified in this day and age.

>>51018 Iode phone Check them out. They nail all festures you want

GrapheneOS users: 1) do any of your apps break? 2) how bad are the theming options. is there at least a full, complete dark mode?

>>55121 The only app I've had issue with is Among Us, I do have sandboxed google play services installed (https://grapheneos.org/usage#sandboxed-play-services) and since Calyx relies on MicroG for google play services Graphene has better app compatibility than Calyx. The reason among us doesn't work is because it relies on Google Play Asset Delivery, which Graphene currently doesn't support. I don't think CalyxOS supports that either but I'm not 100% sure. Afaik it should be the same as the stock pixel android 12 OS. I use a dark theme fine and with no issues but I haven't looked into theming much.

>>55121 I don't use google dependent apps so I have no problems. Theming is somewhat limited if you're only going off of system settings but it does have dark theme and there's nothing stopping you from installing other launchers.

>>55121 1) No, none of my apps ever break. I try to use as few apps as possible--so the only apps I've added to the system are six from F-Droid and five from Auora (which is a Play Store mirror). As >>55157 mentioned, the only reason apps would break is if they rely on Google Play Services, but you should be avoiding those anyway. There's a great app called NetGuard that allows you actually filter all of the calls that your apps make, so you can turn off trackers, CDNs, etc. on a per-app basis. 2) Yeah, there's a robust and complete dark mode, which is what I use. The system was a little rougher a few years ago (really just the camera would crash all the time), but everything is basically as polished as Android now. Never really run into bugs.

>>55086 iCloud is not E2EE. Apple still holds the encryption keys, which means it may as well not even be encrypted. And for the rest of the iPhone, Apple will look at your stuff if they want. Read up on the current group of whistleblowers against them.

>>55121 I just had to replace my phone and went with a 4a 5g w/Graphene OS >Apps don't seem to break but some Play services dependent apps simply don't work unless you actually install google ps, gps on graphene acts like a regular app instead of the background access all areas process it works as in regular android but I'm not willing to do that >Some apps give you a "won't work without play services" message on opening but work just fine. >Ones that don't work properly for me that I care about: ebay & poweramp google playstore version, the non google poweramp .apk works perfectly as expected >Other apps that don't seem to work: tinder, gumtree, which I'm happy to have off my phone anyway. >The dark theme is pretty good but not pure black which is annoying, given that the pixel phones have OLED screens pure black would have been a great battery saving feature. The dark theme that is here is a very comprehensive dark grey. >GCAM works perfectly with the gcam-services-provider .apk from lukaspieper on github and is a massive improvement over open camera that I was using on my Redmi Note 5 pro >The system feels extremely snappy with Graphene >Battery life remains tbc, I've only had the phone for a few days and have been using it pretty heavily. >The Graphene stock keyboard is great

>>51022 LineageOS people are actual soiym that put google analytics on their website. Don't use them. And if you bring up privacy they'll just say that they never mention privacy or anything like that on their site. This is true. IDK why people bring lineageOS up as a 'private' android. It's not.

>>57321 /e/ is a LineageOS fork focused on privacy. It's not Graphene but it's a huge improvement

>>51018 Maybe this can help you? https://sizeof.cat/post/linux-phones-in-2022/

>>57468 Assuming pocket computer is good when it has a keyboard. Reddit-tier opinion.

CalyxOS will be supporting the Fairphone 4 soon

>>51018 No. Manufacturers have slowly advanced towards removing a lot of the components necessary to have such product. And, as much, formed a supply chain that both makes it more difficult, and with potential that even such tech exists, they'll make sure it's compromised.

I want a new phone and I was going to Pixel + GrapheneOS like >>51021 Can someone explain how a Pixel with a non-Google OS affects my threat model (passive dragnet, data collection from "big tech" company like Google)? Does the Google Tensor chip constitute a concern?

>>59227 Personally, i think that Google-made hardware running a "de-googled" OS (which is technically wrong since Lineage, Calyx, Graphene, etc are all based on AOSP which is pushed by Google with auto-updates by default) feels like an half-assed solution when it comes to getting a de-googled phone. Also, note that even when using GrapheneOS, your phone will still need to use proprietary blobs for the baseband processor, which has cellular network access, so it could theoretically be sending your location (even on airplane mode) and other info to cell towers (and even to Google) transparently to the rest of the phone's OS/CPU. For the Tensor chip, i don't know anything about how it works, but knowing that the Pixel phones prior to the 6 already used Qualcomm Snapdragon SoCs with (((Trust)))Zone(tm) circuitry, i don't believe that Google themselves would settle down the kiking for their newest guy-tracing devices. This is much speculation but again, personally i would really not give any amount of trust to surveillance-based companies like Google. (especially on their latest devices)

>>59254 Considering how absolutely little power draw my graphene phone has (I get 8-12 days on a full charge with an intentionally minimal install with battery saver always on, location turned off, and I have zero problems receiving calls or messages) I'm kind of inclined to think that most of your speculation doesn't have enough basis to warrant this much paranoia. It's a little paradoxical but the reason why google phones had thus far been the best choice for privacy roms is because they have the most documentation. This is the phone that new versions of android debut on before any other device, so it makes sense. When it comes to the newer models though, I really don't know. But I really have no reason to believe my phone is sending things out on anywhere the scale of any other smartphone or feature phone. Short of a linux phone with physical hardware killswitches, this is as good as it gets.

tl;dr for most of you paranoid basement dwelling lains, graphene is more than enough and besides complaints from people who use banking apps (seriously just use an ATM or a browser) and whatever other google dependent apps, this is going to be the smoothest experience with the fastest security updates

>>59259 While i agree that GrapheneOS on paper seems like nice software for de-kiking a device, remember that (((smartphones))) are still kiked by design. They are the spearhead of surveillance capitalism, can't be properly audited nor even turned off for sure since they use signed proprietary firmware and their battery is practically unremovable. To illustrate, this is from 2014: https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/replicant-developers-find-and-close-samsung-galaxy-backdoor Denying it with "I have no reason to think my Pixel sends things i don't want it to because battery is good and phone auto-updates smooth, so i will just say it is more than enough and call others paranoid basement dwellers in order to reassure myself." is what i would call a baseless assumption. Privacy tip for you : less is more.

>>59267 >Privacy tip for you : less is more. I mean that's the entire point of my setup. The point about the battery life is just the basic fact that if it was sending out more it would be draining significantly faster. Sure, it's an assumption, but it's not baseless. I'm not denying that it isn't sending anything at all, I doubt I'd be receiving my calls and messages on time otherwise. Even the Pinephone has proprietary blobs in the modem. Here's the thing- if you want to escape surveillance capitalism, get rid of your phone and your internet. You can hide, obfuscate, and simplify all you want but you still have to rely on your ISP and country's infrastructure.

if you really care you need to use a voltmeter on gps module and simply log if it ever sees some voltage. Simple solution that gives certainty. Some phones certainly do it as they advertise it as anti-theft feature and give access to logs to you to over their site. I think was iphones

>>59256 >>59259 Are Android ROMs like Linux distros? If I have root on my phone, can I manually remove/add everything I need to end up with something as good as Graphene?

>>59272 Technically yeah, but it doesn't sound like you know that much about android development. Also you'd have to understand and keep up with the security updates.

>>59272 >Are Android ROMs like Linux distros? There is no package manager to uninstall stuff so it is more like Windows where files just exist and you delete them at your own risk.

>>59364 >There is no package manager to uninstall stuff Well there are several you can install but that's besides the point. If you don't have an understanding of how the OS works and all its components then yeah it basically is at your own risk, I have bricked devices like this before. The android OS development community is extremely fragmented, and they're generally not the most helpful or friendly to newcomers despite the fact that so many projects need more people. The android x86 community for example is extremely unpleasant and unhelpful, and it's clear many of them aren't on the same level of wizardry as some other projects.

>>59370 >If you don't have an understanding of how the OS works and all its components then yeah it basically is at your own risk, I have bricked devices like this before. The android OS development community is extremely fragmented, and they're generally not the most helpful or friendly You need like 100GB of space to build android from source. Nobody understands what all that soykaf is doing.

>>59364 >>59370 >bricked How far can I get by doing "safe" modifications? What's the level of spyware we're talking about here? Is it part of the OS?

There aren't any good phones but if you follow Dik derper's ultimate phone hardening guide, you'll have privacy! https://digdeeper.neocities.org/ghost/phones.html

Oh good, this thread got bumped again recently. I was hoping to get a discussion going about the ZeroPhone. I like buttons on my phones and I've finally had all I can tolerate of inferior product "upgrades" being shoved down my throat just because I like buttons. So I'm experiencing renewed interest in getting/building a ZeroPhone. However, why does it seem like ZeroPhone development basically stopped in 2018? Do people really think a bare-PCB phone with no casing protection is acceptable? It's completely baffling to me why it seems this thing still doesn't have a proper case.

>>59457 Because it's crowd-funded soykaf. No casing makes it look "high-tech" in a geeky way.

>>59459 Eh, that's seems a little too cynical.

>>59457 Maybe it's that way because it's supposed to be a DIY kit? I don't think the zero phone is really trying to be an actual smart phone given the thickness of it and the screen.

>>59478 >Maybe it's that way because it's supposed to be a DIY kit? This is a genuine question. Realized on reread that it could come across as a rhetorical or condescending remark which was not my intention.

you can also just put together your own case, I iamgine thats the point. Making it without makes it a little cheaper, its a diy kit so you're already evidently willing to do diy to some degree. Why should it have a case? Its not like its a finished product.

>>59364 Actually there is a CLI package manager, but you need root access to remove built-in apps. >>59443 Doing any real modifications requires root at least, and obtaining root access usually means you have to unlock bootloader, not all phone brands allow you to do it. Unlocking bootloader can void your warranty, it can be however relocked again. Messing with bootloader can brick your phone, however you should be fine if you follow instructions from experienced developers, for example LineageOS. Google apps are basically spyware. They can be removed from the stock ROM with root, but it's better to install some custom ROM, which doesn't contain them at all.

While we're at it, are there any phones out there that can run modern Lineage and have removable batteries?

>>59512 https://lineageosdevices.com/

19.1 just released so more compatibility should come with time. If you add 18.1 to the filters it brings up more options.

I've heard anecdotal evidence from a person in Ukraine that emergency alert messages come through even when his Android phone is in airplane mode.

How can I fuarrrking unlock bootloader on a Xiaomi Redmi 7? I tried to do it through their unlocking program, but it doesn't fuarrrking see the phone at all. This is some number one bullshit, why is this so hard to unlock a phone? fuarrrking chinks with their totalitarian bullshit, WHY CAN'T I fuarrrkING PRESS A BUTTON AND UNLOCK IT?!

>>59543 Its true. All phones scan for emergency frequencies. Airplain mode is a lie unleds you have a custom hardened rom.

>>59543 Unsurprising since the baseband processor that controls the phone's antenna runs custom closed-source firmware. (see the link from >>59267) >>59544 >Bought chinkshit Nice, now they got your money, own your phone and your data. Best mitigation: resell chink phone, or trash it right now alternatively. >>59598 It can scan and connect to anything it wants, even with a reflashed OS sadly, as the baseband firmware will be included as a proprietary blob anyways, and will still run the antenna independently.

>>59598 passive listening to 'emergency frequencies' is not a violation in spirity of the airplane mode as I understand it. The point of this mode is to have the phone not transmit itself, no problem to listen to what others are transmitting. Not sure how these emergency signals are sent exactly though

>>59544 >doesn't fuarrrking see the phone at all. What do you mean?

>>59544 >I tried to do it through their unlocking program I think you should wait for at least 14 days if you have applied for it. I got it within 5 days but that was a long time ago.

>>59598 >phones scan for emergency frequencies How does that work, exactly? Phones receive these messages from base stations which require two-way communication normally, could it be done in listen-only mode to save battery and be technically compliant with airplane mode, but how is phone supposed to detect genuine base station messages from bogus ones without ever connecting to one in the region?

>>59636 Passively receives the emergency broadcasts, push only, no pull, any response sent out from the phone is specifically requested by the basestation sending the emergency broadcast. Airplane mode is essentially a software switch off on the transmit part of the transceiver It detects genuine base stations in the same way it does when operating normally,i.e. it has no idea if a station is compromised or not so long as the wavelength and encryption are correct, if its pushed a message from a base station and those check out it accepts it.

>>51018 Get a Moto G5. It's not exactly the fastest device but unless you're trying to play games on it (like a LOSER) it'll get the job done. It has a 1080p screen, expandable memory, a removable battery, and official Lineage OS support.

>>59636 >Phones receive these messages from base stations which require two-way communication normally Cell Broadcast is one way and doesn't require any kind of response so yes it's compatible with airplane mode. >how is phone supposed to detect genuine base station messages from bogus ones They don't. https://par.nsf.gov/servlets/purl/10150578 >The eNodeB broadcasts SIB messages to the UE, independently >from the mutual authentication procedure that eventually occurs >between them. Thus, all SIBs, including CMAS, are intrinsically >vulnerable to spoofing from a malicious eNodeB.