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How to stop distro hopping?
Ivan Horvat · 2021-09-15 22:17
I need help. I've hopped between many distros long time. but I can't find my home yet. Now I'm in fedora workstation. But I heard that fedora is bloat. ikr but It's feel comfy 'cuz I don't need to spend my time to rice and set/edit configs. All distros have each pros and cons. That makes me really hard to choose.
>And these are what I had used.
>Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Kubuntu, KDE neon, parrot
>Debian(stable and sid), Xebian, Devuan, Kali
>Arch, Artix, Parabola, Endeavour
>Fedora and it's spins(xfce, kde and i3).
>Gentoo
>Crux, Alpine, Void, 9front, freebsd, netbsd, openbsd and many others I can't remember now.
I've moved between those long time. Especially, I stayed longer than average in Void, Fedora, Openbsd.
Those have longer staying time.
Any good idea to stop this bad habit? Idk y I do distro hopping. But I infer the reason 'cuz I feel bored and find more cons during I'm using.
Tank · 2021-09-15 22:23
If you like Fedora why would you switch? Bloat is just stuff you don't want/need, if you've got things setup the way that you like then that's all that matters.
kobeni · 2021-09-15 22:32
>>50783
Whats the name of the artist? fellow lainon
Neo · 2021-09-15 23:58
>>50783
What is the the point of this thread? You said you like Fedora, so use fuarrrking Fedora.
>i feel bored
Get a job.
Hououin Kyouma · 2021-09-16 00:28
>>50786
It's just low quality /g/ refugee spam that should be locked/deleted
Roger Pollack · 2021-09-16 00:35
>>50787
I mean lainons right about the fact op said they liked fedora, just use fedora, with my experience distro hopping is just a waste of time and kills the work flow more then using linux already kills it depending on what work you do.
Just pick a distro and stick with it.
Morpheus · 2021-09-16 02:08
>>50783
Try bedrock. It combines multiple distros. So you can have the benefits of many distros, but also the drawbacks and new drawbacks on their own.
But the path to enlightenment is that the distro is not that important. Every distro is bad in it's own way. What are you using the distro for anyway? You spend most time in your browser and editor, a bit with the peculiarities of your shell, some time interacting with your window manager, and least with the disto. It does not matter in the long run.
Dox · 2021-09-16 02:54
distros don't exist outside of package manager and init system (just because systemd is a PITA to replace).
which one feels good? go with that one and forget about it.
Y.T · 2021-09-16 07:31
>>50795
> distros don't exist outside of package manager
Plop linux it's protip
Mitnick · 2021-09-16 19:09
>>50783
Honestly bloat is such a meaningless term. I can understand if you want to keep your system minimal because it's a server, you have not much of space, etc. But when you complain about fedora being bloat, while compared to windows or macOS it's a very light system, I don't know what to say. If you like to rice stuf, sure go with freeBSD and rice it all day long, but if you want a workstation that does soykaf, install debian, fedora or arch, which pretty much cover 99% of usecases you can have and you won't feel like you are missing something, and stick with it. I'm sure that my system could be considered bloat, even though when I run like every app that I use daily at once, which I never do in the first place, the ram usage is like 3 or 4 gb out of 8. What do you want to do? Use your computer or play resource olympics?
Pris · 2021-09-16 20:25
>>50783
>How to stop distro hopping?
Not sure why would you do that in the first place.
I have been using Guix nonfree since 3 years and I'm not going to switch any time soon.
Generally I use a distro that is the least painful to maintain and that's it.
>Any good idea to stop this bad habit?
Install one thing and use it. Also having depression is a protip - you won't have the energy needed to install new distros.
Agent Jones · 2021-09-16 20:26
>>50839
>since
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Fred Nurk · 2021-09-17 02:48
>>50783
choose random distro and learn their packaging method (e.g. Pacman, APT, RPM, etc) and make your own packages that the distro hasn't yet. if you prefer, contribute to their repository by your packages.
I think it's the best way to stop distro hopping.
Turner · 2021-09-17 21:20
>>50857
Graduating from high school / college and getting a job is the best way to stop distro hopping.
t. Been on Majaro KDE for years now. I don't understand why I would ever use anything else.
William Holtzer · 2021-09-17 21:30
>>50783
as with any bad habit, the key to dropping it is not so much not doing it, as doing something else.
conclusion, find something else to do.
Hiro Protagonist · 2021-09-17 22:41
A way to stop distro hopping is to understand that Linux systems are modular. For example, you don't need to install another distro because you like its appearance. It's easy enough to remove some packages and add others as you want to.
I think that changing distributions is something that will inevitably happen if you use Linux for a long time. There are lots of tools you can use; some of them are important for the system like init systems and package managers, which may be a pain in the ass to install and set up on an existing system.
Roger Pollack · 2021-09-17 23:20
>>50783
You will never stop. :D
Void · 2021-09-18 01:54
For a stripped down Fedora you can use the network installer and leave out all the packages you don't need.
Alternatively, Qubes comes with a very stripped down Fedora by default because one of its goals is to minimize attack surface. Qubes has the added benefit that you can easily create and delete VMs to test any distro you want.
Technician · 2021-09-18 01:55
>>50895
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY8bSRw9oIE
Liet Kynes · 2021-09-18 04:35
Find something to do on a computer other than installing the OS. Distro hopping is a good waste of time but it's still a waste of time.
Also, it's free software, we've all done the deep dive of distrowatch looking for something really unique. I'ts all unix-like, it's all the same. Just customize Ubuntu, Fedora, or Manjaro and do something productive with your system.
Pulse · 2021-09-20 01:01
>>50783
learn to customize your command prompt & vtt font, then disable X11 or hit Ctrl + F1 on the login screen each time.
then your distro is super trivial because you probably won't care to tweak your cli app version numbers/kernel build flags or your VT terminal executable (defined in init).
e.g. eliminate GUI then you'll not even notice the distro you're on for the most part.
Judge Fang · 2021-09-22 00:36
>50783
use the netinstall of a distro you like and rice a tiling window manager. install all of the programs you need as you go. all a distro is is a collection of packages and a package manager. not that hard when you think about it.
Nanashi No Gombe · 2021-09-22 20:00
>>51058
hey fuarrrk you this is mine
jk, makes me glad someone is mirin' :3
Neo · 2021-09-23 14:55
Unironically if this is you use Arch/Artix, basically any distro with high package support, then just install what you like and set it up real nice, then save your riced system as an ISO you can boot up anytime you want. Simple as.
Junichi Fujiwara · 2021-09-23 19:12
>>50783
What's the point of more than half of the ones you listed if you can just change your DE? Jesus, get a grip dude.
Undisclosed · 2021-09-25 22:28
>>50783
Have multiple devices with different distro that's best suited for each.
No real reason other than if the device explicitly needs compilation if it's different ISA or if you want some stablility that other distro offers better, if the tool chain is better than the other for software development or media production.
Gyula Kovacs · 2021-10-19 15:44
>>50783
I had the exact same problem as you OP. I found my best chanse of sticking to an OS, is when new releases appear.
Let's say you're most comftable with Fedora, then Install that release and force you to stay at this release. If you installed this release, try to stick with it. I figured out, the more you switch back and fourth, the more you have to critisize you will always have things that other distros will do better. But since no distro fulfills all of the benefits, you will always be more and more disapointed about new distros. Choose the lesser evil.
If you just want to try out something use a VM, If you badly want to tinker with it, use a Live USB with persistance, if you want to install it so much that you can't help it an want to install it. use a second harddrive or laptop
A lot of this distrohopping ist caused by communities that mock you for using a DE, Distro, Theme, program etc. You will become addicted to the (you)s, replies and other sort of attention. Often comunities like 4chan hype a distro for a period of time and in some months after, they laugh at you for exactly the same distro. Ubuntu Debian fedora etc. don't get so much attention instead a gentoo or openbsd install.
so learn to live without the attention and learn what it is that YOU think is bloat, uneccesary, ugly etc.
fuarrrk what others think.
Maybe try to talk about it in you favourite echochamber and announce a challange where you stay with one distro and stick to it (I considered this for me) trough your favourite echochamber it's possible that you will have a social pressure to keep your distro
It's about Social Reward that comes with "I have install x and i very like it"
Tools just work, doesn't get much of attention. Let's take for example a hammer, nothing sophisticated, but it works, itś a tool. More sense is to cherish what you've crafted with the tool, instead having 3 Mrd. differet colored/shaped/smelling hammers
If you like to just show off your rice, do it at desktop threads / /r/unixporn
But people don't soykaf where they eat. When you want to work, boring usually means that everything works which is good.
Drano · 2021-10-19 18:30
>>50783
people who say distros don't matter are retarded. or that they're all the same except for the package manager.
don't take advice from these guys.
Incognito · 2021-10-19 18:53
>>50783
Use debian. Come home white man.
Splicer · 2021-10-20 16:09
> use bedrock
you know something's wrong when you're using more than one distro at the same time. This is more bloated than Ubuntu with GNOME, systemd, Chrome, and an IDE.
Just use void since it's easy to install and minimal, and if you use a DE, you won't have to spend much time ricing. Or just back up any configs you once have so you won't have to reconfigure once you install your new distro.
SHODAN · 2021-10-20 17:30
Can we ban distro hopping threads already?
Otacon · 2021-10-21 02:28
I faced a similar problem when I first got into Linux, so after about the 7th time of re-installing Arch Linux I forced myself to stick with it. So far I haven't used, nor needed to use anything else and I've had a hell of a time.
TL;DR: Force yourself to stick to something, you'll know it isn't for you if it doesn't work out for an extended period of time.
Project 2501 · 2021-10-21 23:17
>>50783
go back to windows lol
it just works
Special Agent Bob · 2021-10-24 13:16
>>52547
I replied to this thread proposing we'd go to OP's house and tear his fuarrrking face apart so he can't post dogshit "i'm new to linux" crap again (mod deleted, probly bc OP is some underage teenager glitterboy binge watching le cool Luke Smith videos) but I'm fine with just banning soykafty threads
Unknown · 2021-10-24 14:27
There are two main reasons that push somebody to distrohop:
1. It's fun to install a new system, it feels like a fresh start. Just like moving your furniture around.
2. You're looking for the PERFECT distro. And every new distro is a new chance to find the perfect one. Or sometimes you didn't really get it the first time, but this time you're sure that arch is gonna be the right distro for you.
(spoiler: there is no perfect distro, you're always gonna have to make compromises)
the solution I've found is to commit.
pick one and commit to it and if there was something neat in another distro, bring it in yourself.
try to figure what you actually need from a distro before picking one. Do you actually need the latest packages for everything ? Do you need x or y repository ?
set real expectations of yourself as well, are you actually willing to recompile your kernel to install a printer ? are you actually gonna develop some soykaf or are you just gonna make some scripts and a website from time to time ?
also, don't try to be the coolest kid in the room, nobody cares if your distro of choice is not a niche cool one. and if some gangsta is dissing your fly distro, calling you a noob... you've actually tried a ton of them so you made an educated choice.
Fedora is plenty good, just go for it. If you find it bloated you can simply sudo dnf uninstall <em>[useless package]</em>
I used to distrohop a ton, I've landed on Debian stable and even if some things are a tad frustrating sometimes (packages from the mesozoic), I've commited myself to it.
I'd maybe consider switching to devuan to get rid of systemd but I'm actually taking my time to decide. I've installed it on a VM for now.
(maybe finding a new hobby would make you stick to a distro, cause right now it seems to me that your hobby is installing and setting up new distros)
Judge Fang · 2021-10-25 13:05
>>50783
>But I heard that fedora is bloat.
You drank the Kool-Aid. Bloat is not a helpful general concept at all. If you use the software, it's not bloat. As you have seen, Fedora is actually quite pleasant to use, because it does the legwork for you and lets you just get on with it. Nothing wrong with e.g. Arch, but take any two people off the street familiar with Linux and ask one to install Fedora from scratch and one to install Arch from scratch and get a useful, working system, and the person working on Fedora will be done in 45 minutes hour (15 minutes if you don't include installation time).
By the best definitions of "bloat", distros like Slackware are bloat, and GNU is bloat. If this is the case, then the concept is bullshit, because in that case bloat just means "lots of stuff" and has nothing to do with fantastic fine-tuning, quality control, etc. People can go suckless and set up their riced dwm and access everything by dmenu. I for one use KDE and leave most of my default system configuration to people who are smarter than me.
Anyway, most of the time you can consider your distro a combination of a few things: a package manager, a default desktop environment (or two), and base packages. If you don't like systemd (I'm neither here nor there on it but I prefer ordinary sysvinit scripts), you can also consider your init system a crucial part of this formula. Find a package manager and desktop environment you enjoy, and just stick with it. There is literally no difference between using Debian, Xebian, Devuan, Kali, etc. except for the standard set of packages installed and the default configuration.
If you like apt and GNOME, use Ubuntu or some variant; if you like GNOME, but you prefer dnf, use Fedora; if you need ports in your life, use Gentoo; if you can't deal with having systemd, use Artix, Gentoo, Guix, or Devuan; etc. If you like your DE and you like your package manager, there is literally no reason to switch except sheer curiosity. Sheer curiosity is great and it is always worth checking out other distros which might make your life easier or teach you about Linux, but doing it on your daily driver is insanity.
Play around with distros like 9front, the BSDs, etc. but do it in VMs to keep yourself sane. The hardware support is soykafe on a lot of them anyway (at least compared to bog-standard Linux support for modern consumer-grade hardware).
Boris Grishenko · 2021-10-26 04:40
>>50783
you need to find a different /tech/ hobby anon, perhaps learn some networking by running a bunch of VMs, set up a firewall on a rpi and mess around with apache server?
Lain Iwakura · 2021-12-06 18:14
why would you want to stop distrohopping?
Boris Grishenko · 2021-12-07 12:14
>>50783
If you like fedora then keep using it and stop browsing /g.
Incognito · 2021-12-07 19:23
>>54355
Gotta use your computer, sometime.
Netrunner · 2021-12-13 20:37
>>50783
Just pick the one you have been using the most time
Case · 2021-12-13 21:00
I used to distro-hop a lot.
I don't do that anymore, but I also don't use my computer. So there's a solution.
Dujour · 2021-12-14 01:49
If Fedora works for you then I'd advise using Fedora. I do recommend Arch/Arch based distros (including Artix due to the replacement of systemd) because of their practicality and getting in the way of doing things as little as reasonably possible thanks to the massive (albeit insecure) AUR
Trinity · 2021-12-14 17:57
>>50783
>>>And these are what I had used.
>>>giant list
omg how to i avoid becoming like this
CyberAnon · 2021-12-18 21:36
Shit thread, lets end it.
The definitive best desktop linux distribution is artix.
>All the software, no need for flatpaks or w/e
>No systemd, you dont need it, you arent running an enterprise server
>Non-bloated, customizable
>Stable enough
>Not a corpo behind it
If you want more stable install mint and debloat it but you will have a bit less packages
/thread
clean it up jan
Lain Iwakura · 2021-12-27 22:39
>>50783
I figured out that what I wanted was up to date packages like arch and ease of use like ubuntu. It turns out that was manjaro. Now I'm very happy and don't have to distro hop any more.
Gyula Kovacs · 2021-12-28 06:59
>>50783
throwing bunsenlabs in the ring because its a good option
Debbie Charteris · 2022-01-06 22:12
>>50839
>least painful to maintain
Don't custom channels like guix non-free make thing more painful?
Armitage · 2022-01-07 03:16
I just installed Linux Mint. It's cum-inducing. I used to care a lot about getting the latest and greatest software until I realized that with flatpaks you can get the convenience of a 'friendly' distro alongside the up-to-date software of Arch/SuSE/Void/Solus/etc by just getting a flatpak version of anything I want more up-to-date than is normal. And if it's something I can't get through a flatpak I can just compile and make install it, but I've found that this only really applies to the niche that is niche software that has feature updates too frequent for ubuntu's repos to catch up.
Another thing is just that Mint is a really, really well polished distro, feels like an alt reality version of Windows honestly. Cinnamon's just a great DE too. Before switching to Mint I was on stock Fedora but didn't like how GNOME made it a little tricky to swap between applications within the same desktop and I found myself yearning for a more trad, windows-like workflow.
I'll say, though that one drawback of Mint is the fact that the folder-colors for Nemo doesn't seem to work on any iconset that isn't a default Mint set.
Hacker · 2022-01-07 05:07
Distrohop these without systemd, stick with them for a while, and commit to report bugs to the devs.
http://www.dragora.org/repo.fsl/doc/trunk/www/index.md
https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=dragora
https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/
https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=guixsd
https://www.parabola.nu/
https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=parabola
Agent Jones · 2022-01-08 14:07
>>50783
Create your own distro.