How do you have fun on the internet?

Lainons. I feel like once I've released how much these corps spy on you and collect your data I can't help but not find the internet fun in the way I used to, even knowing that the youtube videos I watch is being considered on how to add me, and even the possibility of the fact simple programs can have key loggers really makes me not comfy. How do you deal with this Lainons? am I just crazy? am i the only one who thinks this?

>>50511 You're just paranoid, lainon

>>50511 I block lot of soykaf by default and only let essential stuff through. Obviously I still am to some degree tracked, but much less than the average person. I don't really consider my YouTube playlist or my browsing history to be that important. Keyloggers so far i know I never have to deal with since 99% of the programs I use are Foss. Maybe discord in browsers logs my stuff, but eh. I am smart enough to not say anything sensitive in there.

>>50511 That sinking feeling you get when you realize the stuff you've used for years is actually malicious is real. The great thing is there's lots of useful information and solutions for reducing the power that corps have over you. To use your Youtube example, frontends like Invidious let you watch and even manage subscriptions without using Google's Javascript or account system. FOSS software is generally pretty trustworthy, on the rare occasions that dev teams have implemented spyware in their programs the community has always called them out (Audacity is a good example) and either provided fixes or started forks of their own (such as Tenacity). Security is a process and you learn new things all the time, when you find out about something you didn't know before you can implement solutions as you see fit, over time your exposure will be less and less. If you're looking for fun online, checking out the various sites on Neocities is a similar experience to the internet of old (we even have our own unofficial webring!). There are also various FOSS games like Minetest with small but dedicated communities, there's a lot of cool servers out there with mods aplenty. It can seem like an insurmountable task sometimes to overcome unjust digital practices, especially when the majority of people don't have the knowledge or even willpower to make changes in their own lives. The thing is the world has no chance of changing if people who are aware of these issues don't make an effort themselves. Just think for a moment that neither of us would be discussing these topics in detail if not for the advocacy of others. We can contribute to change if we try. Regardless of how much impact any one individual has, I think it's a worthy cause to work towards.

>>50511 No, you're correct. Basically nothing is fun any more. Even worse is the censorship, so the fringe stuff is just deleted and you can't even find it. The internet just isn't fun, general. I'm trying to find more offline activities to fill the void.

>>50511 Not feeling good. But I gave up and deal with all. You can't escape perfectly while you are staying on the internet. But you can stay far away best how you can. Of course if you take care of privacy more and more, your life experience is worse and worse during you are living in 21 century. >And this is my rule. >1. Find the alternative which can be considered it's better than owned by corps or closed source. >2. If you find alternatives than move to it >3. If you can't find alternatives then deal with that softwares. But set up settings how you can set for privacy even though it maybe meaningless. This. And these are my lists >1. Youtube -> Invidious >2. Google -> Searx >3. MS Office -> Libreoffice >4. Android stock roms -> Official custom roms like lineage, calyx or grephene. >5. Gmail or Outlook -> disroot, rise up etc. >Any many others. Maybe banking apps, payment apps, online shopping or government programs can't be used with alternatives. Deal with it is better at your mental condition. Anyway, It's your choice. I understand why you felt not good at nowadays softwares or internet web. I can't feel fun. I just use internet cuz it's essential in 21 century society.

>>50511 In most cases, the "spying" is benign and does nothing to or for me. I will say that applications and bypasses exist for Youtube such as Skytube for phones and invidio for web browsers. As for censorship, I generally do not use services that use heavy censorship except Youtube for videos. I have a Discord account since I find some servers too much fun to avoid. I am on my 3rd account since Discord employees enjoy STD dix in their dookieholes. I also suggest checking out Bitchute as a workable alternative.

>>50511 >How do you deal with this Lainons? am I just crazy? am i the only one who thinks this? I find most of my enjoyment on the internet from more obscure sources without any user tracking: exploring random webrings, talking in chat rooms (IRC, Matrix, XMPP), talking on forums/message boards (like this one), etc. I recommend you try it perhaps. (https://nojs.club/) this is a fun webring in my opinion to explore >>50578 >In most cases, the "spying" is benign I wouldn't define government agencies implementing mass surveillance for malicious purposes, social credit-esque systems being implemented, and massive security breach risks as "benign"; I highly recommend you look into the subject further.

>>50578 >the "spying" is benign and does nothing to or for me ah yes good old "I'm not a criminal" or "I have nothing to hide". Until your data leaks or gets in the wrong hands and it is used against you

>>50511 I've jumped into the rabbit hole of FOSS and keeping a closer pulse on security trends and what's "on the horizon". The last 5-6 years I didn't give a molecule of a soykaf about my privacy and I regret it. Now it's something of a fun home project - piece-by-piece removing my reliance on public internet and cloud infrastructure, archiving data that sites tend to censor, creating safe paths of communication for me and the fam - and that push for privacy has been scratching a similar itch to what I used to enjoy about the internet back in the early 2000's. Of course as a counterpoint, bootlickers will say "nothing wrong, nothing to hide" etc. but I think that entirely misses the point. All people are easily influenced, even those who are consciously aware they are being influenced. It's been eons in relative terms since this became accepted fact. By extension, the more data you feed to the machine gods, the more you are willingly subjecting yourself to the 'personalized' influence they've crafted just for you, by it advertising or news media or services crafted in virtual laboratories to sink the deepest possible psychological hooks into your cheek. Maybe that's your thing, and you love being the catch of the day, but you should own that fact and wear it like a badge instead of obfuscating it behind the guise of swearing that privacy is a non-issue.

>>50511 >>50588 To be clear, OP, I mean "you" speaking to the bootlicking audience. Maybe the golden days of a burgeoning, poorly censored, (relatively) untracked internet are over, but there's still fun to be had in creating your own dark corners and connecting with other people who feel the same.

>>50511 You can also block cloudflare's IP Addresses. https://hatebin.com/ycyrraatur

>>50578 mmmfmm yesss i stay on discord because the servers are too funnnn mmmmmmdfdfj

>>50581 >>50583 I should have been clearer. I meant most spying is benign because it is about advertising. Companies learn you are looking up topics such as home gardening as an example so you see ads for garden equipment.

>>50602 >Companies learn you are looking up topics such as home gardening as an example so you see ads for garden equipment. That's how advertising worked 2 decades ago, telemetry in the modern day is far more invasive. Location data, social media activity, purchasing histories, basically anything and everything is used to make a profile not just of your interests but of your psychology, your mood, your health. Any weakness that analysis exposes can be, and usually is, automatically exploited for profit.

>>50511 you can have fun with the decentralized web and darknets. it's somewhat like the 90s web used to be. try mastodon, tor, ipfs and/or gemini.

>>50511 I cope by being a neet with no life that has never worked in his 30s that has no bank account that carries no 'phone' and has an aluminum wallet that lives in a Faraday cage in one of the 2k+ Alaskan islands. Not serious about the wallet nor Ak part of course nor faraday thing. The point is that they can't manipulate you if you are not part of the system. I actually before I had ublock on didn't get many ads on youtube as the algorithms can tell I'm too much of a maverick to sell anything to. At the same time things like google captcha ban me from everything on account of having not enough of an ID, google should die, youtube with it of course as they are owned by them. So should cellphones as they are google. I'm sure you already know about google. >>50512 One day when they run out of real criminals they'll just arrest people to fill a quota and weird people are all they ever wanted to lock up anyway. People never stopped witch hunting.

>>50604 How do people even find onions? It's not like search engines, even Tor ones I found, ever did much for it. Nothing but dead onions as far as my eyes ever could see when I tried that years ago. Isn't the dark net STILL only for 'spicy' porn and drugs? When the original silk road died it died as a liberal experiment (like the 1990s were) as far as I was concerned. I assume rings go by word of mouth and that defeats the purpose of the Internet really as it was 90 and onward.

>>50603 >>50602 this, and it's not just about "sell me ads so you can keep in business and hire workers" there are numerous different ways to monetize without being predatory, like the other anon said all that data can fall in the wrong hands and then the gardening ad turns into a stalker sending you emails about gardening that you might click and get hacked for

>>50604 >mastodon i've been considering giving the fediverse a try but every instance i've seen so far seems to be either made for sjws or poltards it looks like twitter with more schizophrenia

>>50642 Yeah, what I would add is that privacy is one of the sins that social media has, maybe the biggest one, but it's hardly the only one. I don't want facebook or twitter but decentralized. I want something actually better.

>>50612 I've had the exact same experience some years ago when I still regarded the "alternative net" to whatever we now have with hopeful interest and reverence. I never did get any further than whatever the hidden wiki (and whatever links there were listed on the related sites) provided, which - at least back then - basically came down to no more than an endless, desolate heap of abandoned sites, dead links, a couple of oh-so-edgy early 2000's "cool kidz" sites with their collections of "forbidden texts" that you can these days buy off of fuarrrking amazon for a pittance or just google it, a couple of drug sites and a rídiculous amount of all kinds of porn sites. Unless you're a pedo, a druggie, a person in the know of certain circles or larping as le l33t h4c3r, there's not much the .onion sites have to offer you.

>>50612 >>50647 Depending on the future of the clearnet the deepweb will probably change quite a bit, right now the best use for .onion domains is to access mirrors of clearnet sites but if the normal web becomes increasingly controlled you'll probably see an exodus begin to happen. It's a useful technology, people just need a strong motivation to start populating it.

>>50545 Nothing is fun 2 me anymore, can’t even do drugs anymore I used to want to make the world a better place but now idgaf about most people, it’s all so tiresome. Sometimes I want to die but most of the time I control my thoughts and don’t let them go down that rabbit hole.. but everything still is like kicking dead whales down the beach, especially most of the irl people

Ugh. I realized that a long time ago. Wave of dread hit me pretty hard, but I got over it. My objective now is to limit as much information that I can give. With how I use the net, I will never be sane if I try to squash every trackers and peeping eyes. Best I can do is blindly trust SOME pet peeves here and there. Alot like many lainons here, I seek alternatives of what I use everyday and try to stay in the realm of FOSS and what not. Things like Discord or whatever to keep contact with my normal folks don't concern me too much. There is so much flying around that I don't think I am in risk unless my immediate virtual surrounding is concerned. Pesky user malware, Policy updates, etc... (Pretty limited too. Just hang around 1 or 2 friend servers.) In the end, it's all about trying to keep most of what you consider personal info at bay. Put on the net what you are comfortable putting out there. And for apps, well just make your research about what you use and ask if you really need it. I've not seen many keyloggers or malware, but that's because I got all the apps I need and never sought for more.

>>50670 Damn, thats just the same hole im in. Real life aint real no more either, everyone is on their handheld idiot echo chamber boxes. You could get into things, but why bother, either youre gonna get drawn into a rabbit hole of someone elses design or one that springs out of your own chaos. Every option seems like a dead end and youre left to carefully examine which is the least soykafty one. Somehow everything nowdays seem to be following some damn script, it just feels like there is no real novelty anymore and nothing you can do to change anything.

I see how OP feels about the internet. There are some things you may try if you want to have fun. I recommend browsing Darknets such as Tor, i2p, yggdrasil, Anonet, Freenet, Lokinet, zeronet, IPFS websites and protocols like Gopher and Gemini. There are great websites to explore, maybe host your own. Neocities is a good place to visit too. Webrings usually are some of the best places to find good shiet.

>>50602 >Companies learn you are looking up topics such as home gardening as an example so you see ads for garden equipment. Modern information collection is far more intrusive and immoral than that; I recommend you research into it a little bit, it's terrible.

>>50602 suppose an ad company detects that you have certain opinions and you start getting news stories that affect your opinions.

>>50791 sorry, that *reflect* your opinions. This could also be actively used for more insidious ends, like building false support for policies.

>>50511 I was actually wondering yesterday if I was the last person that remembered when internet privacy was easy. You used to just be able to decent privacy by just removing soykaf updates from windows, installing firefox and watching network traffic. >simple programs can have key loggers Use larbs/suckless soykaf and then you have to worry about the kernel and web browser

>>50691 I feel that, hard The Kali Yuga is real. Meditation and so-so anime experiences is about as good as it gets I feel. I’m watching Black Butler right now, I can’t think of anything better to do. It’s no Lain, but they don’t make em’ like they used to, as you said, the novelty is gone

>>50797 There has always been back doors in the HARDWARE I hear

try participating in small communities instead of using mainstream social media. here is a couple i've found https://spacehey.com/ --> (old school myspace clone) website of shared tilde linux servers you can join --> https://tildeverse.org/ there is plenty of things to do on the internet if you jump the big corp garden wall

>>50921 this im finding lainchan and 420chan p comfy reminds me of 2010 minimal corporatist soykaf just hanging out with other losers not 'showy' losers who want influence and validation, but just losers who show up

>>50921 Spacehey and other similar Myspace clones are interesting but they're so filled to the brim with kids it makes even lurking the profiles feel a bit weird. Tilde sites though are cool though, it's just kinda hard to pick one that's right for you, no different than Fediverse in that regard. >>51155 Surprised people still use 420chan, but yeah smaller imageboards really are the most comfortable.

>>50642 > every instance i've seen so far seems to be either made for sjws or poltards you proably need pleroma, not mastodon

>>50642 the trick with fediverse is to find some chill peeps and hang with them. Don't pay attention to local or federated timelines. It's slow and comfy that way.

>>50602 this is how governments can learn how to target propaganda

>>50511 The most fun you will get from the internet is by making your own website and following blogs of other /g/entoomen or lainons, look up the lain webring to find something fun.

I download fun things and consume them, or explore sites I find interesting although the sheer size of the web makes this a kinda frustrating effort. If you're paranoid then migrate them to a clean computer once you download them I try to have fun with people too finding random conversations and people, or sometimes joining small groups like suggested, but I suck at it to be honest. I know this is a me problem though.

Kinda offtopic maybe, but I've been browsing the alternative websites: small image boards, lainchan webring and GeoCities sites and everywhere that might take you too. but while I actually enjoy browsing the net again, I feel something is missing. I think it's just services like YouTube before it was trying to squeeze every peny possible or some forums that had a bigger sense of community. I know there are alternatives such as peertube, but peertube videos are made for youtube and than ported to peertube. There's no unique culture outside of bald thinkpad primitivist #535, which too is from YouTube. Are there any types of sites you miss?

>>51288 It's because you can't really search for the 'small' sites anymore. All search engines show you nowadays are the Big, Popular Things if you use certain phrases or keywords. It is like kicking dead whales down the beach. You won't ever find anything niche or interesting anymore unless it's something someone else tips you off on.

>>51289 that's why sites like protocol7.co/wired and goodsites.tech are necessary. the return of webrings is also great. pre-seachengine style directories. of course you have to find them first. all is not lost. people need to lose this defeatist attitude. these companies will bit by the same people that would be lurking chans today. i also think federation can help solve the deepweb problem and make niche sites more visible for those in the know.

>>51303 Looks like someone's unsorted bookmarks dump with a very low effort of classification. A webpage on marking radioactive waste storage sites in "Imageboards and related sites" section, very funny.

>>51289 >kicking dead whales down the beach. I always know its a certain lainon cause they always say this phrase haha, i know you're the same person who says this all over different boards

>>51303 Lord knows I don't want to have corporations build by the people frequenting these 'chans. An adversary who knows all the tricks of its nemesis is a mightily fearsome one indeed.

>>51369 fuarrrk you. You're scary. Don't ever come up to me you little ninny cunt cocksucker bitchshagger. Try to track me down? Never. Never in your fuarrrking dreams, you absolute cocktard. Kill yourself. Just fuarrrking do it. I don't care. You think I'm afraidda you? Knichterlind? Yeah fuarrrk off. I'm gonna go full frenchboy on your ass, glowgoblin.

>>51369 That's a word filter for s u c k s. i.e your post is like kicking dead whales down the beach. Lurk more.

I wondered for a long time why the internet seemed static and nothing new seemed to have happened in the last decade. For a long time I thought I was just old and for some reason didn't hear anymore about all the new fun stuff, but then I realized people these days have abandoned the world wide web and frolic in discords and telegrams and whatever closed applications closed groups.

What is nice and most important is free software (or open source if that is your thing) It is quite scary that nearly every thing we've grown to trust and love is actually doing the opposite. It's not glowy soykaf, it's just terrifying that corps actually do this soykaf "without" reason. I've been going full autist and taking the whole free software route, although I do run some proprietary malware here or there, it's one step up the freedom ladder. I've been trying to use mainly free software as much as possible, and I feel good doing it. I won't be able to go full schizo and go fully free hardware and stuff like that unfortunately. I think though that you should quit using proprietary malware and you'll be happier.

>>51487 This is the way bros. I've come to realize that the fully free hardware thing will never exist, the glows simply won't have it. So you should just do your best to use only free software since at the very least you're unclasping some of the chains viced upon you by the corps. Just remember, ANYTHING could be in those proprietary blobs kept in the 'ol linux kernel.

>>51488 >I've come to realize that the fully free hardware thing will never exist Not with this attitude.

>>51404 I hate IM for a multitude of reasons which most are petty but the closed off garden nature of them really piss me off. Especially when it's for larger groups. I want to be able to engage with those with similar interests where I can see everyone posting, hidden channels and ranking everyone based on "roles" or doing sketch soykaf like verifying via phone before talking just turns them into massive insider trades. At least with forums there's SOME way to read posts without signing up, depends on the forum ofc but Discord groups are closed off entirely unless you sign up. I imagine Telegram is much the same. Shits like doing some corny fuarrrking ritual before being allowed into the frat only the frat is a group chat is some fandom space for singing anime girls or something equally retarded.

Back to IRC and forums Bois and grils. Me and a few friends already aim to go back to ts3, since discocks cracks down on YouTube bots. Same thing with frontends. We plan to finance it by putting a few bucks in the pool each, and renting a server from the money. Don't lose hope, things aren't that soykafty. Find like minded peeps in your area, make friends, and gradually convince them that all the big corpos are a scam. It's all just a gamerz facade, they only want the cash. We can all make it, just keep swimming against the stream.

>>50511 You can't go back, anon. The unique blend of circumstances that produced the "fun" internet of your youth are gone forever- today, there are only poor imitations. Frankly, nobody has the brain required to produce quality these days thanks to >youtube videos

>>51608 Nah, this is defeatism bullshit. I've been using less and less mainstream sites and I am starting to see the return of the old web. It's there if you look for it, and in the same way walled gardens of multinational companies took over the net year after year, we can do the same now. The only fear I have is how to solve the issues that made the web of nowdays differently. Since with scale you want non tech-savy people to join in and it's usually them who flock to the sites that are owned by few companies which in turn gives them more power which makes them more users. I guess there needs some way for easy to access and mainstream net that doesn't rely on any company.