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>The EU wants to have all private chats, messages, and emails automatically searched for suspicious content, generally and indiscriminately. The stated aim: To prosecute child pornography. The result: Mass surveillance through fully automated real-time messaging and chat control and the end of secrecy of digital correspondence. On 26 May 2021, a majority of MEPs in the Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs (LIBE) voted in favor of the agreement allowing for the voluntary use of chatcontrol by online services providers. And finally, a majority of the Members of the European Parliament adopted the chatcontrol legislation on 6 July 2021. >But this is not the end of the story: For autumn 2021, European Commission announced that it will propose a follow-up legislation that will make the use of chatcontrol mandatory for all e-mail and messenger providers. This legislation might then also affect securely end-to-end encrypted communications. https://european-pirateparty.eu/the-end-of-the-privacy-of-digital-correspondence/

Good, another "Let's get unlimited political control over people, I mean protect the children!!!" kind of law. Just like the "Let's support creativity by banning the unauthorized use of copyrighted material".

>>49083 >Good, another "Let's get unlimited political control over people, I mean protect the children!!!" kind of law. At least it's not """terrorism""" this time. Nice to see them bring back a classic.

Well this is a disaster. > la li lu le lo is this still too short?

>>49082 I'm honestly surprised what kind of soykaf EU filters already. I can't watch anything on YouTube that might be 18+ without giving Google my ID. I have a friend in US and some memes she sent me don't work. Why do they even need to hide memes?

>>49087 What country is that?

>>49088 Netherlands. But I've seen people complain about the YouTube thing in Germany too.

>>49089 Here in Poland I can still watch anime and movies "illegally" and I haven't heard about any censorship attempts other than Facebook's algorithms confusing videos about stuffing ham or heavy breathing noises of training people with porn. I don't use megacorp media often though, so I'm not sure.

I've been hearing about this since winter, but the article in the OP is from february, does anybody know what happend with this? If I interpretted what I read a few months ago correctly, the EU passed a motion to recommend this stuff to it's member nations, but I'm not familiar with the structure of the EU or how it works.

>>49087 The USE is just forwarding interests of the USA. The USA has enough influence and can eliminate political dissidents without a problem in its own boundaries, but Europe was a blind spot for some time, also they couldn't collect data as easily. By making tying identities to accounts, Google can now also collect tons of people's personal info, and monitor European citizens, and European authorities can now, with a legal basis, work as an extension of the US federal agencies. It's all about giving things a legal basis, it's all about *explaining* it to people, in order for them to be docile. Just use a VPN, dude.

reminder the eu anti cp leader trying to censor jp got caught with cp. that said ontopic the upload filters will probably be worse. You wont even see content uploaded. But there is also a simple way around - tech like layer >>49092 They do deep packet and kill traffic speed for vpn here in germoney. Fine for text but makes it unusable for streaming. That said its not all isps yet.

>>49091 Here are some resources that might answer your question: https://european-pirateparty.eu/parliament-approves-chatcontrol/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/emmawoollacott/2021/07/07/eu-passes-emergency-law-allowing-tech-companies-to-screen-messages-for-child-abuse/

>>49082 Virtually every linux distribution comes with GPG. GPG can be used to encrypt arbitrary text and send over any plaintext transport - Pastebin, Lainchan, Email, Matrix, IRC, etc. Here is an example message encrypted with GPG symmetric encryption, password is password: -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- jA0EBwMCwy4wIUcuchzu0m8BLNY/PXRVi5TtgcpdU0ZmrLv5JHJ9y/4GasemXeEX e7WNqEV4N7atUfXenYeA6XamkXt25f4oxz9Y7c0aHIEILh9o7FedgDwDXPjoelNI uoIM80xgEL8IYb1Cwm55c1YlzZ73HXl0r+PphnHoxBk= =h1mj -----END PGP MESSAGE----- We can win the cryptowars, but we need your help.

>>49099 >so what they will stop me from milking my horsecock to instagram account of ella gross or what ? They won't actually ban any cp, they will just spy on people and political opposition. Also she looks maturely so that's fine. >glad i am serb I've never knowingly talked to a serb, you can tell me more there >>>/r/26646

>>49097 I didn't know that, I live in alemania, and I use VPN for yewtube, to circumvent the age cockblock. Works fine for me, and I don't really have speed problems.

why is the EU working so hard to make me think that brexit was a good idea after all

>>49100 >with GPG symmetric encryption, How would you like to share the key, retard

>>49115 If the goal is just to subvert automatic tools, you can just post it with the message and apply some simple transformation. Like this: -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- jA0EBwMCgJAc5+SViSr60jsBWTnkyT6FHO26dqxnRIDW8XINlyRrlmsRN5u6f1Ho fnRyvbptPatSE7kb6JHIAIQ+rXrwFZ99Gq54kQ== =/mV4 -----END PGP MESSAGE----- Key is the md5hash of "soykaf", no whitespace

>>49116 Just make sure to change the transformation around

>>49115 I choose GPG symmetric encryption to make it an easy exercise for lainons to see how to encrypt/decrypt something and avoid requiring a key exchange. With Symmetric key cryptography, ideally , key exchange would take place out of band. This simply wasn't necessary here. ShadowBrokers similiarly used GPG symmetric encryption to provide data, and key at a later time. Posting a public key would just make this more of a PITA.

>>49115 >How would you like to share the key The implication being that you don't need to verify the public key somehow from mitm?

>>49113 Political world doesn't like void. If the UK doesn't cooperate with the EU, you will fall under the economical influence of either the USA, Russia or China, don't expect any better laws from these. Your country doesn't even produce enough food to feed all its citizens, so being an independent island is not possible. Sage for off topic.

>>49124 >it's impossible to be an independent nation with a specialized economy >globalization is the only option Protip, the billionaires who own the media websites you get all your news from are not your friends.

>>49126 The UK has a special place since it's the center of finance and tech in europe. Or should I say London because outside of that the UK doesn't really matter. But various other places like let's say Poland would have a much harder time staying "independent". Even though UK before and after brexit still was and is US territory. Not that I like the EU and if it broke up within next five years, I would be happy, if something international that respects all the nations in it took it's place instead of an other cartel for German billionaires like it is now.

This might be derailing a bit but to me Brexit seems to serve an actual purpose of protecting British banks from EU legislation. All the European organized crime needs somewhere to put their money.

>>49128 This is exactly what Brexit was for. Britain's financial elite were desperate to get Britain out of the EU before the EU-wide AML 6 regulations came into effect in June 2021. One of the major changes in AML 6 was the requirement for corporate liability for failing to prevent money laundering. This terrified the British ruling class, who make a whole lot of money from London banks "accidentally" being used for laundering by Bad People.

Dont see how that matters german bank is known for laundering money, did they really stop? doubt it

>>49127 >cartel for German billionaires The whole point of the EU and Euro was a hedge against a unified Germany getting too powerful again after the fall of the Berlin wall. Deutsche has never wanted anything except to GTFO of the Euro and go back to a currency they control. Do you not know anything about the thing you are criticizing? >>49129 >Britain's financial elite were desperate to get Britain out of the EU Is that why they poured billions into the remain campaign and subsequent campaigns to get brexit reversed? Why literally every newspaper and TV show was 100% anti-Brexit, even the "neutral" BBC? Man, talk about rewriting history.

>>49087 >Why do they even need to hide memes? The EU thinks memes are how the far-right extremists are gaining new followers. I soykaf you not.

>>49129 I don't think so. Malta and Andorra are just fine.

>>49132 >right wing memes You completely exclude a segment of the population from mainstream culture what do you think they're going to do except create their own culture?

>>49130 Law enforcement agencies in the union can regardless use EU legislation to subpoena companies in other member states but I doubt they can do the same for countries outside of the union.

>49121 >>>49115 >How would you like to share the key The implication being that you don't need to verify the public key somehow from mitm? This is a non-trivial problem. There arnt really amazing answers. PGP does Web Of Trust - which works great, and has network effects , but effectively disclose who you associate with. Central Authorities exist but are subject to coercion and hacking. DNS Root of Trust secured with DNS Sec creates the ultimate central authority. IMO opinion, WOT with understanding of risks, and compartmentalising identities is best.

>>49131 >The whole point of the EU and Euro was a hedge against a unified Germany getting too powerful again after the fall of the Berlin wall. That was one of the reasons at first, but most of these promises to leave Germany not powerful enough went away. After all, there was supposed to be a take away of industry but in a few years after the second world war that stopped completely and the US was happy to put money back in Germany again. On the soviet side they didn't stop, but that's because the country was destroyed and they needed things to rebuild so they kept taking what they got. To say Germany doesn't have the biggest say in EU matters today, or has little economic power when it's probably has the biggest industry and after 1992 owns majority of the eastern european economy would be a stretch in my eyes. And either way fast majority of the economy in the EU is controlled by few people since if you look at just the top 5 companies, only one isn't publicly traded. And by definition publicly traded companies trade their shares based on who got the money, and people who got the money are people who already control much of the economy, so it always stacks up to some small group who have a big say in all economic matters. >Deutsche has never wanted anything except to GTFO of the Euro and go back to a currency they control. They do control the currency though. European central bank is located in Germany and the only other nation that could also have a say in monetary matter would be France. So it's not that much of a stretch to say it's mostly German regulated. Obviosly this isn't me arguing against Germany as in people. They have as much say about this as I do. I am arguing against the small group in charge.

>>49133 This argument actually just supports my point. Any EU-based money laundering centres are going to become pretty much useless with the AML 6 regulations. No more HSBC or Deutsche Bank style "whoops, we accidentally missed some things we should have caught, oh well, just an accident, really" shenanigans. But Brexit ensures that London will become alternative-of-choice #1 for Malta and Andorra's former lines of business for the long-term because the very worst that can happen to a British banker for the same shenanigans is a golden-parachute retirement and a public non-apology apology. Wait ten years, and you'll see a whole lot of crime-thriller movies and TV shows referring to British bank accounts in the same way that Swiss accounts were referred to fifty years ago.

>>49140 The TV shows based on books of Roberto Saviano do show Britain in that light already if I remember correctly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27jPO6e-5yg

>>49126 You made convenient assumptions about me. I don't read any media websites and I didn't say that "globalization is the only option". All I said is that avoiding economical or political influence from other countries is impossible if you can't even feed 70 million people on such a small island (well, unless you get some super efficient GMO plants). And even as an independent island, you will still have your very own billionaires and government thirsty for internet control like this one law.

>>49140 how does aml6 prevent illegal activity?Dont know anything about it to be honest. Only know they got fined for 4% of the total illegally laundered sum which is of course laughably low and meant it was profitable. Since they dont mind operating illegal i dont see why they wouldnt do it again unless the pricing of the fines goes too high.

>>49152 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A32018L1673 Read articles 7 and 8.

>>49134 I know, right? "Noooo, they're making their own sites after being kicked off so many!"

>>49131 is very wrong about Germany, >>49139 is right. To make a cheap and easy point: after WWI when the Germans decided they wanted to impose their will on Europe & after WWII when the Germans decided they wanted to impose their will on Europe, the solution would be the EU where the Germans could empose their will on Europe. In other words: transnational progressivism equals soft totalitarianism, and its what the Germans hold over the EU. Since democratic deliberation has nothing to do with the European Union (lack of transparency; no democratic process: decisions are made by judges & bureaucrats), the Germans don't give a fuarrrk what is brought up by whomever, they do what they want. Just a nice starting point: military spending dropped even further.

>>49156 "should consider more severe penalty" is hardly convincing.

>>49169 You've read point 7 of the directive's preamble, read articles 7 and 8 of the directive. They are titled Liability of legal persons and Sanctions for legal persons, better yet, read the entire directive, it's only nine pages long.

>>49100 thank you lainon

>>49139 > most of these promises to leave Germany not powerful enough went away. Just because it didn't work as well as intended doesn't change what was intended. >To say Germany doesn't have the biggest say in EU matters today would be a stretch in my eyes. And to say that Germany wants to be tied to a common currency that is being destroyed by excessive borrowing and spending by the southern states is also a stretch. >They do control the currency though. European central bank is located in Germany I think you are overstating things again. It is well documented that in the 90s Deutsche Bank was 100% against giving up sovereignty of the Deutsche Mark but was overruled by the government who wanted to reunify after the soviet union collapsed. To deal set out by the winners of WW2 was that Germany can take back east Germany only if they agree to cripple their currency by entering the ERM and then later giving it up for the Euro. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Mark#German_reunification You can say that Germany has played the game they are forced to play very well and gained a lot of influence. But to say that this is a Germany conspiracy all a long is just dumb.

>>49188 >Just because it didn't work as well as intended doesn't change what was intended. There are many intentions for everything, but I think when talking about what is currently happening we should stick with the intention that passed through and is pursued now for 5 decades at least. >And to say that Germany wants to be tied to a common currency that is being destroyed by excessive borrowing and spending by the southern states is also a stretch. I think that's a wrong way to look at it from the start. Cause that's an issue with the way EU is structured. Cause these nations will never repay these debts since because since they have to repay the debts they can't invest and grow which makes them not repay these debts. And that slowly picks other nations too, since other nations begin feeling the shocks of that. And you might blame the southern nations for it, but firstly they didn't have really a say in being in the EU or how their economy is structured. Since the end of WW2 basically US picked up every nation they wanted, in Spain with possibly an election fraud and in Greece with war, because there's a big chance these nations actually would have ended up in the soviet bloc or would be independent like Yugoslavia. But really I don't see the point in being angry about the past, what is more important is what we can do now. So returning to now, the US even though it too has states that run on a deficit, has build a structure to automate the distribution of funds. So money always flows in and out based on the deficit and surplus of a state and you don't end up in these debt clusterfucks that happen in europe. Because you never have the issue of a growing debt that makes sure that pushing more debt on a nation will make it even less likely to repay it all. And there's enough money to go around, partly because of how modern money works . It really doesn't happen anymore since the gold standard was abandoned that nations pay their expanses by taxing people. If you just look at EU or US, first they generate money in database with few key presses and than they tax people to give that money some value, and they've done so for years. And contemporary to the worry that this will cause some inflation, the US actually was in period of one of the lowest inflation rates in history in the same year when billions were created to fund the military in 2018. So I believe with just changes to the distribution of funds, which would be less painful to implement than fragmenting the EU and causing economic and political unrest, we would all be better off.

I get that this take is fairly stale so don’t mind me. I don’t really care what governments have to say on things like this anymore. My feeling is that we should probably just accept the fact that the internet must splinter into a clearnet with centralized surveillance of most communication and a darknet with various mixnets and folks running Corebooted 2 decade old thinkpads. We’ve been on this path long enough and in so far as I can tell there doesn’t appear to be much indication that the clearnet can go in any direction other than exponentially worse.

>>49082 If they wanted privacy tech to adapt, it will now. They don't even understand what they're doing. This law is made by politicians and idiots who don't know what port SSH is on. Even if this gets implemented, it will have unintentional consequences. Hackers tend to adapt...

>>49087 in what way did your friend send the memes? For my research purposes (I'm trying to find a way to fix all this)

>>49116 >subvert based anon, very based indeed

>>49205 >you might blame the southern nations for it, but firstly they didn't have really a say in being in the EU or how their economy is structured I can see your point during the cold war but that ended before the euro came along. The big difference between europe and america is that the european states are still more or less independent (e.g. poland rejecting the lgbbq agenda, hungary rejecting the open borders agenda). So southern states spending loaned money on internal social programs and then getting northern states to fix the international damage to the euro has been a problem. A more cynical view of the european union is that the euro is just the thin end of the wedge. Letting countries spend other country's money without consequence is not a sustainable system. They let it happen because it justifies more and more centralized political control within the european union and less independence for the member states. Which is undeniably the direction europe is heading in. >contemporary to the worry that this will cause some inflation, the US actually was in period of one of the lowest inflation rates in history in the same year when billions were created to fund the military in 2018 The whole point of inflation is that the effects come after. The alternative is putting taxes up and inviting questions about weather dropping bombs on children in the middle east is really worth it. Instead you simply make money less valuable and by the time prices increase and people realize what happened it is too late, you've already funded the thing the government wanted the money for. >>49206 >I don’t really care what governments have to say on things like this anymore. My feeling is that we should probably just accept the fact that the internet must splinter into a clearnet and a darknet I mostly share this view but you can't always ignore the government forever. If we get to a point where they kick down your door just for connecting to the darkweb then there's no real technical solution to that. At the moment we're only safe because there are so many independent jurisdiction there is no central authority to impose the same rules everywhere. You can always make fun of western politicians on russian servers and make fun of russian politicians on western servers. But remember there is no Tor in north korea. Once everything comes together under the same world government then we're a bit fuarrrked.

>>49131 >>49188 You haven't got the slightest grasp on how the EU works. The handouts given to peripheral EU countries are just a drop in the ocean compared to the profits German companies (among others) make by flooding the periphery's markets with their products, effectively killing the local industry in the process. All thanks to the common market and common currency.

>>49265 >germany sells greece a bmw for €100.000 >greece wastes euros defaults on debts >€100.000 euro is now worth $10 >somehow germany wins

>>49266 >greece wastes euros defaults on debts >€100.000 euro is now worth $10 i wish

>>49266 >>49270 The only thing debt leads to is austerity, which means cutting social services, which means cheap labour for German companies.

>>49271 >which means cheap labour for German companies. If you wanted cheap labor your would put all the rapeugees in sweatshops instead of giving them welfare.

>>49273 Aaah, that's not the agenda though. The dindus and dune coons are there to rape and replace the almans with mutts with no proper cultural identity. It's all for bringing the goal of the USE closer, and after that, a one world government.

>>49263 >I can see your point during the cold war but that ended before the euro came along. Yes, but history tends to drag along. After the end of cold war there was a deal too that NATO forces wouldn't expand further east, and yet they are stationed at the border of Russia. >The big difference between europe and america is that the european states are still more or less independent (e.g. poland rejecting the lgbbq agenda, hungary rejecting the open borders agenda). So southern states spending loaned money on internal social programs and then getting northern states to fix the international damage to the euro has been a problem. Well, to me that means that the EU economy shouldn't function that way because it leaves us all worse off. Because you can have different laws, the US states have that too, Texas is a very different place from California, but you don't get these debt traps I talked about. >A more cynical view of the european union is that the euro is just the thin end of the wedge. Letting countries spend other country's money without consequence is not a sustainable system. You know, in a way I can't have empathy here. When was the talk about when east europe was bought by germans and production was stopped because apparently the ebil commie factories weren't competitive enough, which let to phrases like "during communism the shops were empty but the fridge was full, during capitalism the shops are full but no one can afford anything"? And this isn't something about communism because I don't have sympathies for it and also the western nation did that all over the world to poorer nation. Like in Mexico which after 90s and the NAFTA agreement production too halted and the economy grew slower than before because "they weren't competitive enough". Or why is there no problem with the Deutsche bank who barely produces a profit? Or about the talk of where we will get money from to pay for 'x', yet when any big corporations is having trouble the state pumps them full of cash, yet normal people, regular Germans too, can't see a coin go to anything that's useful for society or them. There are somehow never an issue with spending, no mater how much, when it's spend by people in power. And I find it paradoxical that someone who cares so much about this on national grounds defends them, when it's the same people who erode the culture you have by bringing in people from other nations because they are cheap labor, the same people who make local restaurants and other places of culture die out to make room for mcdonalds, the same people who even pull militaries in nations where your dreaded refugees are coming from. >The whole point of inflation is that the effects come after. Yes, and we had bailout after bailout, military funding after military funding for years now. We don't run money on gold for even longer too. And not only are on economical terms more western nations suffering from underinflation than inflation, what inflation even happened in all of those years? Maybe now, but that should be expected when a great deal of production is essentially halted because of the virus. And it's not like someone would be left worse if money went to regular people. After all that's just more demand for the Products companies sell. And here it's real physical goods, not some numbers stored in a database that get invested for a computer to replace then with an even bigger number. No phyisical good or service made in the process. You might worry about a crisis, but if you don't want crises you don't want to live in a for profit market economy, because that will always happen. Be it from a new technology being invented and making people lose their jobs, because that cuts of spending that can potentially have ripple effects on the larger economy, to just some people performing arbitrage and with that causing ripple effects that make the whole economy stop. And I believe with money flowing to regular people, which doesn't have to be tax money in case you are angry that you need to pay for someone's life, we would have stronger shock absorbers in case something wrong happens.

Unironically, move to Russia to avoid the Soviet E-Union. It not great great, but is not Soviet anymore like EU is!

>>49277 >deal with poverty, corruption and oligarchy instead! No, thanks.

>>49276 >And it's not like someone would be left worse if money went to regular people. After all that's just more demand for the Products companies sell. You are right in theory inflation doesn't matter. Add some zeros to your notes and all the prices and nothing is different. The problem is inflation starts in a single place (banks) and then spreads slowly through the rest of the economy. So the people who get the new money first can still buy assets at pre-inflation prices. But as the new money flows into the economy prices go up because there is more money chasing the same products. And for the everyday citizen, the money you collected in your bank is now not worth as much as it used to be. That difference between what your savings is worth pre and post inflation is the money the government has stolen from you instead of raising taxes. I'll let the rest go. I feel bad about posting this in /tech/. We already have lots of economics threads in /r/.

>>49277 >but is not Soviet anymore like EU is I don't get it. >>49279 fuarrrk Russia but we have all of that here in USA too. Russia wouldn't be noticeably worse than where I am.

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