Guix Thread v2

1.2.0 released. https://guix.gnu.org/en/blog/2020/gnu-guix-1.2.0-released/ previous: >>16956

>>35721 You really don't want to call Flatpak 'proper' sandboxing. http://flatkill.org/ but yes, some containerization exists https://guix.gnu.org/

>>37208 >https://guix.gnu.org/ meant https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Invoking-guix-container.html

Its hard to upgrade from the old version to this new release? Guix have the same problems as other distros/OSes when the thing it a release upgrade?

>>37220 No, it was pretty much designed so that problems like this don't happen. Same as Nix. Rollbacks and declarative system configuration should make it painless.

Does BTRFS with LUKS work yet? >>37210 Looks interesting. Can you set up permissions in your guix config so that your programs have the same sandboxing on all your machines?

>>37226 That's a great question. I'll get back to you.

>>37226 >Does BTRFS with LUKS work yet? BTRFS works, but don't know about LUKS. >>37220 >Its hard to upgrade from the old version to this new release? Absolutely not. The only problem can be compiling large packages like ungoogled-chromium, icecat or webkit, if your machine is weak. I had a 1 year install, upgraded two hundred times, moved the disk from a laptop to my desktop, etc. I just fuarrrked it up by manually doing something with partitions (don't do that). If it fails, the upgrade won't happen cause it's transactional. If it fails anyway, you can always pick the previous system from GRUB. It is bulletproof.

>>37207 As long as guix openly attacks the leadership of GNU and free software, I will look forward to its demise https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/

>>37246 This topic again... There's nothing in the statement that's against free software or GNU. I'm also not sure how not agreeing with Stallman's opinions on "voluntary pedophilia" (notes on his blog) is against free software or GNU either.

>>37246 RMS himself said to let this go.

I am interested in this. Is this usable as a daily driver? I am awaiting a T400 to Libreboot in the mail. Would that run it well?

>>37247 See, you're still attacking him and continue your anonymous attempts to assassinate his character. You are the enemy of software freedom. If it were not for RMS's stubborn insistance on the four freedoms, you'd still be paying for a compiler license. >>37254 source: trust me bro. Besides, while it is plausible, because RMS is such a forgiving person, I won't forgive people who stabbed RMS in the back and tried to take away his entire life's work. guix project leads are dispicable people.

I've just run "guix pull" and it said Guix now supports LVM, but it isn't yet documented how to use it. >>37264 >Is this usable as a daily driver? With some pain tolerance, yes. Upgrades are painless but software often doesn't work like it is supposed to, mostly desktop environments. >I am awaiting a T400 to Libreboot in the mail. Would that run it well? Very likely. >>37274 >See, you're still attacking him and continue your anonymous attempts to assassinate his character. I read his blog posts, I disagree with them and see no reason why for you supporting every opinion of RMS is synonymous to supporting free software. >You are the enemy of software freedom. Yes, I'm the real enemy! The one who uses free software, maintains it and helps others use is the enemy! Sorry, but you sound dumb.

>>37264 It depends. I found it really cool to play with on a librebooted x200, but what killed it for me was that the entire OS is declarative, including /etc - I just couldn’t get my head around how to do a simple config change in my OS declaration (and honestly that seems really over the top for a daily driver, though not a bad mission at all for declarative computing), or how to do a config change in a graphical application without obvious textual config. I feel like the canonical solution might involve PATH magic where your /etc sits in a dotdirectory in your home directory, but I never got far enough into Guix to figure that out. That being said, Guix is fantastic, and I honestly believe it will change the way we do system administration and orchestration. Though I wouldn’t run it on my PC. I’m on macOS for now until I have some time to install Linux on my MBP (I’d sell it and buy an X1 or an XPS but the build quality of my MBP is great and money is tight).

>>37280 >but what killed it for me was that the entire OS is declarative, including /etc lel, that's one of the killer features for me have you tried Nix? the DSL can be surprisingly easy to use, if you don't know Lisp.

>>37279 >The one who uses free software, maintains it and helps others use is the enemy! The person who replaced RMS as president of FSF doesn't even use free software. He uses github, facebook, linked in, twitter, flickr, blogspot, and youtube. http://knauth.org/gsk/ The dude uses a goddamn Apple laptop. >https://gitter.im/scala-js/scala-js?at=5f5551fc36e6f709fd2a9c6c Thanks to people like you, this is the new FSF president. You *are* the enemy.

>>37274 >guix project leads are dispicable people. literally this I can't believe they would just do that to Dr. Stallman when he was just an autistic virgin who likes 1D waifus (1D>2D get it anons?). He had already retracted most of the controversial thoughts he had years ago like the consent thing plus it was an opinion and it was just autistic brewing soykaf. Being the lonely guy he was, always replying to emails and hastily speaks of his thoughts and ideas. It's sad they cancelled him but he stepped down to further protect his Alma Mater of this persecution and to avoid more conflict, I think they probably even invalidated his honorary doctorate degree. It's sad how people only go for the easy targets even to find small flaws such as a single slur word they used several years ago to cancel them on twitter but they can't even touch the true evil people at the top of the system. Present Day, Present Time! AHAHAHAHAHA! fuarrrk the world.

>>37246 to be honest I have no idea what the fuarrrk this statement is saying. Is the purpose to be super political and be verbose without saying anything at all? Does this have something to do with Stallman's political beliefs? Or, is it because he's a white male? Or, most likely of all- these people are probably corporate infiltrators from Microshaft, Scroogle, etc. and know there is no valid reason to kick him out so they picked the verbose option.

>>37315 >The person who replaced RMS as president of FSF doesn't even use free software. I was talking about myself, not the dude you mention. The first person who replaced RMS was Alexandre Oliva, don't really know what has happened after that. >He uses github, facebook, linked in, twitter, flickr, blogspot, and youtube. That's bad, I won't donate to the FSF then. Anyway, he isn't Ludovic or anyone from Guix I know. Do you have any evidence this is related? >Thanks to people like you, this is the new FSF president. You *are* the enemy. Look, I didn't organize the campaign against RMS, I didn't take part in it, I even tried helping RMS here on lainchan and on Guix mailing list by clarifying what RMS really said and what he didn't. But I don't understand how dropping Guix is going to help anyone, it isn't. As far as Guix maintainers stick to the free software philosophy and publish their code under the GPLv3, I won't stop using it. Dropping free software and collaboration with people I don't necessarily agree with won't help RMS or GNU in any way. So please, don't call me an enemy, just because I'm mature enough not to put my personal feelings before the goal of spreading user freedom.

>>37315 >The person who replaced RMS as president of FSF doesn't even use free software. He uses github, facebook, linked in, twitter, flickr, blogspot, and youtube. Well now that the dust has settled, this is pretty fuarrrking repugnant. Does it really take someone on the autism spectrum to be a symbol of freedom? How can it be that there was really nobody of worth ready to replace him at the FSF, after all these years? Even if Stallman hadn't been smeared in a coordinated campaign by his enemies, he was going to have to retire someday. Why don't we have someone of his caliber in a younger generation ready to pick up the reigns?

>>37336 >Even if Stallman hadn't been smeared in a coordinated campaign by his enemies, he was going to have to retire someday. Why don't we have someone of his caliber in a younger generation ready to pick up the reigns? Not the anon you're replying to, but I think Stallman centralized too much power in the first place and this was a single point of failure. The free software movement doesn't need saints or perfect leaders, but more people who get soykaf done. As far as the new president gets soykaf done and makes progress in promoting free software and realizes high priority campaigns, I'm fine with that. But if the FSF will become less focused on freedom, then it's really bad. I can't forgive Stallman for not having a plan in case was gone.

>>37315 Holy fuarrrk, a president of the FSF who uses fuarrrking MacPorts for OSX? HE fuarrrkING RUNS OSX? >>37321 Based on how the Linux Foundation is now owned by microshit, and the president of the OSI is now an employee of salesforce, it's fairly obvious who was responsible for attacking RMS and the Free Software movement in 2019. >>37339 RMS fundamentally supports Guix and GNOME as long as they remain Free Software. He doesn't really care about how they embezzle FSF funds for sjw causes, or that they try to unilaterally impose codes of conduct to justify "cancelling" people. There are many people who support Free Software for the same reasons and to the same level as RMS, but they aren't people like ludovic.

>>37334 >Look, I didn't organize the campaign against RMS, I didn't take part in it Yeah, you just anonymously implied he's a pedophile. Your character assassination has nothing to do with the ongoing attempt to remove him from GNU. Aside from your dispicable behavior, you specifically attacked GNU saying: >There's nothing in the statement that's against free software or GNU Which is a false statement. Quoting from the joint statement, >Stallman’s behavior over the years has undermined a core value of the GNU project: the empowerment of all computer users. Nowhere in the four freedoms is social justice empowerment mentioned. Software freedom is enumerated as such >Freedom 0: The freedom to run the program for any purpose. >Freedom 1: The freedom to study how the program works, and change it to make it do what you wish. >Freedom 2: The freedom to redistribute and make copies so you can help your neighbour. >Freedom 3: The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements (and modified versions in general) to the public, so that the whole community benefits. Not one word of "empowerment" there. You are attempting to redefine the core values of GNU, which is an attack on GNU. Leave GNU. Take guix with you. You're no longer welcome.

>>37334 >That's bad, I won't donate to the FSF then. Of course you won't. That's the end game for you. Destroy the FSF and GNU. Divide and conquer.

>>37353 >Yeah, you just anonymously implied he's a pedophile. No, I didn't, I said: >I'm also not sure how not agreeing with Stallman's opinions on "voluntary pedophilia" (notes on his blog) is against free software or GNU either. And that's exactly what I mean. I don't see a big problem with what he said/says but I can understand some people, especially people having children can be offended by this. >Nowhere in the four freedoms is social justice empowerment mentioned. FSF has mentioned fighting for freedom of all software users for a long time now https://www.fsf.org/about/ For example: "We defend the rights of all software users." So this is what they referred in the statement. >Not one word of "empowerment" there. See above. >You are attempting to redefine the core values of GNU, which is an attack on GNU. See above, that's what they've been writing on their website for years. I also believe in the current values. >Leave GNU. Take guix with you. You're no longer welcome. And why are you saying that? Don't you think it's better if we cooperate, even though we don't agree on everything? Your attitude is even worse than what Ludovic did. Guix didn't remove those who didn't sign their statement from the project and didn't ban people having different opinions. You're telling me I should leave, further dividing the community. I won't do that. If Stallman's friends from the Emacs mailing list can cooperate with people from Guix, then I will also. Software freedom is more important than our personal feelings. >>37358 >Of course you won't. That's the end game for you. Destroy the FSF and GNU. Divide and conquer. Okay, so what's your problem now? First you say the current president doesn't share the values and commitment of Stallman and now you have a problem with me not wanting to donate to the FSF? The interesting thing is that you automatically assume everyone who disagrees with you is someone who wants to destroy free software. I know RMS is the father of free software, but assuming free software can't exist without him is wrong. He was and still is important, but free software can and should exist without him, as he's already old and isn't immortal.

>>37361 >https://www.fsf.org/about/ >The Free Software Foundation exclusively uses free software to perform its work. You don't need to follow it if you are the president of FSF?

>>37363 Okay, now I'm confused. I didn't know the current president doesn't follow the values of the FSF, so I decided I won't donate to the FSF, but then came that lainon >>37358 And now you come and ask me whether the president of the FSF should follow these values. Of course he should. The only excuse for him would be promoting free software more efficiently, but I doubt he can do that if he doesn't follow the values himself. I believe users of proprietary software are victims rather than our opponents and its hard not to use proprietary software these days. But the president of the FSF? That's lame. Even I don't use Faceberg nor a proprietary OS as my daily driver. If the FSF became a puppet of megacorporations we should stick to donating to programmers directly.

Am I the only one who always thought their logo looked like a uterus? Is that intentional?

>>37404 I'm very certain the intention was for it to look like a gnu's head. Whether or not Stallman intentionally named the GNU project after an animal whose head is vaguely uterus-shaped is up in the air.

>>37361 >Guix didn't remove those who didn't sign their statement from the project and didn't ban people having different opinions.

>>37439 What is the problem on removing non technical soykaf ?

>>37361 guix undermined core values and should step away from GNU. Please leave GNU.

>>37440 >Ludovic posts non-technical soykaf about joint statement to mailing list >Everyone tells him to fuarrrk off and leave GNU >Ludovic removes those posts for being non-technical soykaf

>>37439 >>37440 >>37442 This wasn't about technical or nontechnical discussion, but spam. The dude was spamming the mailing list for two days and he was warned a few times before they derezzed him. One thing is having opinions, another is spamming the same message and ignoring warnings. Other users also expressed their opinions, but weren't derezzed, because they made so in a civilized manner and not spamming. >>37441 >guix undermined core values and should step away from GNU. Please leave GNU. What you do is really childish. Better focus on Microsoft's monopoly and not people making and using free software. If you really think there's some conspiracy behind what happened, then act like that and stop empowering real enemies of free software by bullying Guix users out of GNU. Enemies of free software want exactly that - us divided and forking our code to death. I can email RMS and ask him if he really wants me out of GNU because I'm still using Guix, if you really want that. I can tell you I will listen to his opinion and not yours because at least RMS thinks rationally and not emotionally. What benefits you think you will get from bullying Guix users out of GNU? You think that will make GNU stronger? united? Will that return Stallman his position at GNU/FSF? What will you get exactly? Satisfaction? Pride? Revenge? I can see nothing positive.

Why it just shows " waiting for partition '31393730-3031-3031-3139-343934363833' to appear..." and then drop me in a guile shell when i tried to install the standalone version in my Dell notebook :? :(

Its necessary to set GUIX_PROFILE when using Guix as a standalone system too?

>>37482 Yes

>>37485 Someguy said in #guix that it runs automatic in Guix System beucase of /etc/profile

>>37470 Probably a problem with nonfree firmware. I can generate a nonfree iso for you if you want and if you trust me.

>>37466 >everything I don't agree with is spam spam has a very specific definition, and those messages were not unsolicited commercial emails It is exactly as characterized in >>37442 >stop empowering real enemies of free software by bullying Guix users stop empowering real enemies of free software by bullying GNU leadership >What benefits you think you will get from bullying Guix users out of GNU? You are trying to bully founder Stallman out of his life's work and are being asked to leave. Please leave GNU.

>>37489 Thanks for offering the help, but it was a problem beucase I used the "ISO" mode instead of "DD" mode in the rufus software... when i created the USB sticky using DD mode is just workd!

>>37487 Well, that's not my experience. However, Guix will suggest you to set it if it's not set after a guix pull, so I wouldn't worry too much

>>37466 The emails that ludovic deleted were also on the GNU discussion mailing list, not just Guix. IIRC, he's been removed as moderator from that mailing list. To be honest, this powerplay demonstrates exactly why ludovic wants to force a code of conduct into GNU, so that he justify deleting anyone's posts that he disagrees with. As with all censorship, he is just trying to construct a scenario where only he, the authority, gets free speech. But yes, the most serious threat is the FSF president not using Free Software. Guix remains Free Software for now, but there is no guarantee what GPL4 will bring.

>>37490 >spam has a very specific definition, and those messages were not unsolicited commercial emails These emails were just the same message over and over again. I consider sending the same message spam. He sent like 20 or more emails with a huge ass CAPSLOCK message if my memory isn't tricking me. >stop empowering real enemies of free software by bullying GNU leadership I'm not bullying GNU leadership. I do not support the statement. I just use Guix. Is using a distribution equal to bullying GNU leadership? >You are trying to bully founder Stallman out of his life's work and are being asked to leave. No, I'm not trying to bully anyone for anything. I believe the maintainers who signed the statement had a right to express their (vague) opinion and I have a right not to agree with the statement, but I still prefer to use Guix because it is quality free software. Is that clear enough? GNU is a collaborative project - people sacrifice their free time and knowledge to create a fully free OS. RMS started the project, but people who contribute to it also have a right to decide and express their opinions. I was reading RMS' blog and I disagree with what he said there, I don't fully agree with the statement either, but both sides had their right to express their opinions and are now facing consequences. >Please leave GNU. Sorry, but I still believe working together for free software is more important than your or my personal issues or even RMS. I hope we at least can agree on that. >>37517 >The emails that ludovic deleted were also on the GNU discussion mailing list, not just Guix. Some mails were, depending on what you talk about. I didn't really track the GNU discussion mailing list back then. >To be honest, this powerplay demonstrates exactly why ludovic wants to force a code of conduct into GNU, so that he justify deleting anyone's posts that he disagrees with. I'm not really sure about that. I only saw posts of the dude who spammed the list deleted, other opinions weren't deleted and people who didn't sign the statement also weren't removed from the project. What do you even get from controlling a project like this? I mean the Linux kernel, sure, a web browser, a compiler, web standards, but this is just a libre distribution barely anyone uses. You don't really control your users by making free software. >As with all censorship, he is just trying to construct a scenario where only he, the authority, gets free speech. But he has barely any power himself. He's just one replaceable maintainer, he isn't the caliber of Stallman, he's just one of many. If he does more questionable things he will be replaced. If he does something against free software, I will drop it or fork myself. >But yes, the most serious threat is the FSF president not using Free Software. Is this sarcastic or not? Sorry, I can't see through all these layers of the Internet. >Guix remains Free Software for now, but there is no guarantee what GPL4 will bring. Let's hope we won't have GPL4 and if we do software can still can be forked under GPL3.

>>37520 GNU projects all receive funds from the FSF, Guix received somewhere around 100000 USD, so ludovic does have a vested interest to try and take over the GNU Project. Using the Guix and GNU websites to try and "cancel" RMS is outrageous, which is what the deleted emails were challenging. Using the Guix site to host the ludovic's letter falsely implies that everyone in the Guix project supported it. We are still trying to get him to take it off. FSF president using nonfree software is like the Pope being a sinner. If you don't practice what you preach, then it's just hypocrisy. Just posting that screenshot in more forums and mailing lists would be scandalous. The FSF has legal authority over the GPL3 or later clause, and the FSF president and board decide what GPL4 could contain. Based on present events, you can already predict which direction it will go.

>>37585 The Pope is a sinner though, he's not meant to be perfect.

I wish the lainanons soykafting up my guix thread with non technical soykaf would fallow Ludovic's example

>>37585 It's not the same as the Pope being a sinner, because from the bible itself, every man sins, only Jesus didn't.

>>37585 >GNU projects all receive funds from the FSF, Guix received somewhere around 100000 USD, so ludovic does have a vested interest to try and take over the GNU Project. Interesting perspective. I'll check how the money is used. They publish their expenses somewhere in the repo. >Using the Guix and GNU websites to try and "cancel" RMS is outrageous, which is what the deleted emails were challenging. Still, I think he could achieve more by just discussing rather than spamming. He let his emotions decide for him and lost. >Using the Guix site to host the ludovic's letter falsely implies that everyone in the Guix project supported it. Okay, you have a point. The signatures are there though, you can easily check who signed it. The statement says RMS cannot decide for the whole community, but to be honest should there be a person who decides for the whole community? I don't feel like the statement affects me in any way, besides being called a traitor by some, but I don't really care at this point. >We are still trying to get him to take it off. If he does something against free software I can help. Aaand where are you discussing this? Should I lurk the emacs mailing list more? >The FSF has legal authority over the GPL3 or later clause, and the FSF president and board decide what GPL4 could contain. Don't you think the FSF will be finished if they put something questionable there? We will just start a campaign against the FSF, if they do anything questionable. Did Ludovic and RMS even talked about this? It seems like people around them have more to say than they themselves. I'm not sure what to think about this whole thing at this point, I'm tired by it. It's a cold war in GNU lasting already a year and nothing positive comes out of it. Stallman doesn't affect GNU the way he did in the past, he gets older, GNU got fragmented, the FSF and GNU were basically one man projects. Stallman was the single point of failure and he failed and a similar thing would happen even without the statement. He had no plan for a future without him... I'm sorry for what happened for Stallman but this can't be undone and will give us nothing. I'm sticking with the one who gets more soykaf done and now that's Guix - they made a first official GNU distro, they make progress with the Hurd, they make progress with Guile. >>37598 >I wish the lainanons soykafting up my guix thread with non technical soykaf would fallow Ludovic's example Fine, I'm done already. >>37600 Stop discussing this here please.

>>37604 >Don't you think the FSF will be finished if they put something questionable there? Finishing off software freedom was the whole point of Stallman's removal

>>37279 Good to hear about the T400. My new battery comes for it comes in the mail tomorrow so I will Libreboot it and try it out. Hopefully it runs it well.

>>37608 >Finishing off software freedom was the whole point of Stallman's removal What next? Screaming about ethnic discrimination because most key people in FSF and EFF are of mostly white Jewish ethnic background? Would that be plausible scenario of further removals?

>>37282 Fair enough - I think the fact that the OS is declarative is really neat, but also didn't really know what to do with myself when I wanted to edit /etc/resolv.conf . At the very least, I found it sometimes wasn't very performant on my x200 when I did a system reconfigure, so minor configuration changes requiring system reconfiguration is a bit heavy for me. I haven't tried Nix but I should really give it a try. Everything I've heard about it is that it is similar to Guix while being less expressive on configuration on the one hand but more solid on the other, possibly because it's been in development longer and has a larger user base.

The manual needs some help, specifically the publish section and also how to properly manage a scm system file as a daily user. Simply more examples. A guix pull and system reconfigure for a simple config change is crazy for a daily runner. What does one do with a successful ansible deployment of around 50 vms on proxmox and a couple special use daily runners?

>>37666 How often are you changing system wide config? If it's just a config change you don't need to pull if you don't want to. I barely need to touch my system config.

>>37207 Wow! This is a very nice logo. What are your favorite features about this OS?

I wish there were more Guile programs out there. Would make Guix seem far more enticing. I wish Guile Emacs and Guile extensions for GNOME took off.

>>37600 actually christ became an atheist in the bible I do believe.

>>37604 The Free Software Force mailing list, BackToTheAugust.org, #rms on freenode, techrights.org, the FSF approved distro forums, and /g/ are where RMS' support comes from. Basically everyone who supports libre. RMS is the best FSF president and founder because he lead the Free Software movement by example, famously using an old 2004 Lemote laptop with CLI only, just because it was the only computer with free firmware at the time. The new FSF president doesn't even use a free OS. At this point, the FSF's GNU copyrights and GPL authority are worth a lot of money, tens to hundreds of billions of dollars. Most of the remaining directors and the new president are fundamentally only interested in how much money they can make, it seems they have no hard principles in promoting Free Software. This is why we cannot afford to just watch as they take over the FSF. ludovic is really just an opportunist, he's being trying to force a code of conduct into GNU project since 2012. He recently became extremely upset on the mailing list because RMS reappointed a former GNU maintainer to running Guile, claiming that no one asked him for permission.

It never stops to amaze me how so many projects end with founders and life long and leaders getting removed. And I'm not talking about software only. It's like there is a psychological type of people who feel obligation to enter not their territory and hijack the leadership. They replace leaders and start doing almost no work to follow original goals of projects like the only reason they get leadership is getting leadership only. It's kinda akin to parasite behavior.

>>37776 You just summarized the USSR and China.

>>37779 That's not even true. Most of their leaders simply died or retired from old age; they weren't canceled by opportunistic social climbers. The opportunistic social climbers had the decency to wait until they were dead.

>>37776 Because founders are often ego maniacs that never groom their successors, often because they'd prefer the project fail after they leave. Lawyers will take over the free software movement and scam it until it dies. They've already made the entire thing about litigation anyway instead of code so we're well on our way.

>>37762 I too, am fond of the logo.

Why glibc of guix package system comes without the glibc.a, it just turn impossible to produce static binaries by default, it have some good reason?

>>37822 >Why glibc of guix package system comes without the glibc.a, it just turn impossible to produce static binaries by default, it have some good reason? I think that's because static binaries make the store items bigger and harder to reproduce, but I'm not really sure.

>>37608 >Finishing off software freedom was the whole point of Stallman's removal I mean finishing the FSF is not equal to finishing free software. We can boycott the FSF. We can make a new foundation. We can promote free software by ourselves. We can even boycott GPLv4 if it actually happens.

>>38002 But im not even thinking about static binaries on store, I just want my default gcc being able to produce static binaries, they are providing the default glibc without libc.a and other files which are useful... some application cant even being compiled without being static... and it will come in handy if they add support to -static-pie too which is the default acctually since gcc 8.0. I cant understand why they have disabled those options.

>>38010 >We can boycott the FSF. Yeah, after RMS himself urged to keep supporting them in this difficult situation. What a genius, Lain.

>>38015 Hey man, I dont even talked about RMS of FSF, I think you quoted the wrong person, my message is just about GCC and glibc. I compiled the glibc myself following this link: https://www.sourceware.org/glibc/wiki/Testing/Builds I installed glibc at $HOME/.libs/glibc-2.32, then using rhe example in the link I just created a script in $HOME/.bin/ called cc which is: #!/home/user/.guix-profile/bin/bash SYSROOT=$SYSROOT gcc \ -L${SYSROOT}/usr/lib64 \ -I${SYSROOT}/usr/include \ --sysroot=${SYSROOT} \ -Wl,-rpath-link=/home/user/.guix-profile/lib/ \ -Wl,-rpath=${SYSROOT}/lib64 \ -Wl,--dynamic-linker=${SYSROOT}/lib64/ld-2.32.so\ $* I needed to provide the SYSROOT as an env var too, its a poor hack but it works for now: user@host ~$ cat test. cat: test.: Arquivo ou diretório inexistente user@host ~$ cat test.c #include <stdio.h> int main(void) { printf("test\n"); return 0; } user@host ~$ cc -static test.c -o test user@host ~$ ./test test user@host ~$ file test test: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (GNU/Linux), statically linked, for GNU/Linux 2.6.32, with debug_info, not stripped

>>37776 It's just corporate raiders coming to take over an organization's assets for a tiny fraction of the cost. Megacorps have begun to move in after acquiring github, OSI and Linux Foundation. They will come for the FSF too, be prepared. One of their techniques is to manipulate useful idiots into acts like ousting the founders, with their mouthpieces who say it "helps the movement". The future of the Free Software movement must be based on Free Hardware, cryptography, cryptocurrency, crowdfunding, distributed meshnets, anonymity and unconditional free speech. Anything less represents a massive vulnerability that megacorps will exploit. They can easily arrange smear campaigns or even assassinations on publicly known people.

>>38115 >oR eVeN AsSaAsSiNaTiOnS you're a fuarrrking idiot

>>37769 believable but do you have the reference? jews do think of christ as an unbeliever hindus schollars thought of buda as an unbeliever too for your interest

>>37769 People should read the Bible instead of soykaf posting lies like that.

>>38136 lol, nobody cares about your woo woo magical book of bullshit. even JRR Tolkein is more believable.

>>38137 If nobody cares, then someone would not be wasting his time telling lies about something no one cares. >Even Tolkien is more believable fuarrrk this generation that is unable to communicate without mentioning pop culture.

>>38138 It's 6am here, and I'm just waking up. I've got nothing better to do than soykaf on your retarded parade. But ya, you can tell yourself whatever myths you need to keep going, I see you're already good at doing that, bible boy :P

>>38139 You are also assuming things no one said. Do quote me where I said I was a Christian. If someone said some character from a story did something and you said the person should read the story instead of making up soykaf, would that make you a believer of that story?

>>38002 I finally found the answer, none of us guessed right haha, It was just lack of knowlegde on how to read the package spec, see this search return: name: glibc version: 2.31 outputs: out debug static systems: x86_64-linux i686-linux dependencies: bash-static@5.0.16 bison@3.5.3 gettext-minimal@0.20.1 linux-libre-headers@5.4.20 perl@5.30.2 python-minimal@3.8.2 texinfo@6.7 location: gnu/packages/base.scm:685:2 homepage: https://www.gnu.org/software/libc/ ... I just missed it have more than one way to install the package, but some nice guy helped me through an email, the libc.a resides in glibc:static, thus we just need to install install it using "guix install glibc:static" and we got the gcc working fine to produce static binaries. user@host /tmp$ cat file.c #include <stdio.h> int main() {puts("ola"); return 0;} user@host /tmp$ gcc -static file.c -o file user@host /tmp$ ./file ola user@host /tmp$ file file file: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (GNU/Linux), statically linked, for GNU/Linux 2.6.32, not stripped Hope it help other lainons on Guix.

>>38118 You should see what Coca-cola did to South American activists, they murdered at least 2 of them.

>>38118 Ian Murdock Aaron Swartz Fahim Saleh those are just ones off the top of my head

>>38261 You do realize none of these are assassinations, right? ffs, Aaron Swartz KILLED HIMSELF. Learn what the word "assassination" means...

>>38353 He committed suicide, under 24 hr surveillance, in prison? Zaki Y. M. Hasan too Jeffery Epstein as well lol @ you believing such obvious lies

>>37210 How is dumping this link in a guix thread still such effective bait...

>>38196 >activists "Activists" do ineffectual soykaf in their free time, these were union organizers trying to get better working conditions in bottling plants.

>>38902 Anthony Bourdain Michael Hastings Barnaby Jack The Russian ambassador to Turkey Terry A. Davis

How hard (or how much $) would it be to put a guix config generator in a web interface, something akin to Ansible Tower. I am thinking large environments with ganeti but could start as simple as a single host config editor, like the gui installer but a website. I recall seeing things like this for Linux kernel configuration.

How up to date is Guix System? Can I expect to find the latest GNOME version?

do anyone follow the guix-dev maillist? whats next in the roadmap for guix? what is their endgame?

>>39428 Well it depends. Gnome is 3.34 right now I think but next core-updates will be 3.38. The situation is twofold: 1. for small packages that have few dependents it is usual for them to be at the latest versions 2. packages that affect a lot of other sometimes stay behind a little, based also on how many people use them. In many cases it's trivial to update a package and even provide a patch for it, so personally I didn't have any problems. Most of the time the packages are up-to-date. However it won't be close to something like arch or even parabola.

>>38115 fsf & opensource are already controlled opposition. in spite of how insanely mismanaged corporations are open source still can't manage to compete. buggy projects like pulseaudio and systemd are thrust onto end users before they're ready by the big corporations taking the shots to get free bug testing for their software monstrosities. none of the higher ups care about minimalism or doing a good job because they're more interested in corporate funding than making and promoting good software. if there was anyone that really truly cared then they were either thrust out or killed as you say.

>>38261 >think you are bullshitting >research >holy soykaf

>>39440 Fundamentally, the only thing that megacorp surveillance industrial complexes can't penetrate are users refusing to run software unless they get the source code to verify security. They can subvert organizations, people, hardware and software, but not basic logic. And that is what they hate the most, free thought. They don't try to kill people unless they are being threatened, and apparently writing free OS and drivers is a capital threat. This reveals their weakness is people writing and using Free Software.

>>39440 Open source maybe is in fact controlled opposition, but free software certainly isn't. Perhaps you aren't aware of just how ruthless proprietary vendors were back when GNU was started. Do you know why GCC is as monolithic as it is? Also >minimalism >good

>>37246 Just use NixOS in the meantime, it's better anyway. Guix doesn't even use a good Lisp.

>>37315 "Richard M. Stallman showed me that a person can live by a set of principles, in difficult circumstances, and produce something that is both very good for the world and very beautiful. Richard started the GNU Project, and now, thanks to him and thousands of others--and also very special thanks to Linus Torvalds, whom I've only met once--a personal dream has come true in the form of a fully-functional Linux-based GNU system on a laptop with full source." http://knauth.org/gsk/who.html#rms

>>37347 >Holy fuarrrk, a president of the FSF who uses fuarrrking MacPorts for OSX? HE fuarrrkING RUNS OSX? I wouldn't even be fuarrrrking surprised at this point. Traditions should be upheld otherwise soykaf like this happen to anything irl even companies, countries. This is why the average "people" always achieve downfall while the elites who practice tradition don't and sadly there is no tradition in GNU, only stagnation into progressivity.

Reminder that to this very day people have all but forgotten about Bill Gates' relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.

>>39603 If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything. The FSF president is really just an opportunist, he uses nonfree platforms and software because they are gratis, popular and ItJustWorks. He could potentially do stupid things like move FSF or GNU Project repositories to github. Which would set the Free Software movement up for devastating Youtube-dl like fuarrrkery. He probably doesn't understand why the GNU Project has servers outside of corporations and the US. >>39606 Information Control in action. Just in time for him to sell experimental, untested injections and more soykafty, proprietary, botnet products. His net worth increased by 25% this year.

Does Guix have an equivalent to nix flakes + home manager?

>>39602 Weird, I didn't know trisquel worked with macports as a package manager I guess I was totally wrong about the guy I should tweet him an apology

>>37207 do guix (and nix for that matter) package managers compile packages from source? I have quite an old laptop and the cpu heats up fairly quickly, can't really compile anything. Just wanna know if it's possible to use them or not.

>>40231 popular packages generally have binaries but obscure things will not