for what would you use TempleOS

lets pretend hardware compatibility was not an issue for what would TempleOS be useful? why would you use it instead of linux? what could it be turned into given enough manpower and motivation? i heard it has widespread use of global variables, and also, it has no concept of security rings, what other features make it unique?

>>36775 >TempleOS use-cases You're in /lambda/ board, my friend. >What other features make it unique? It was made by someone who's actually batshit insane and not a basement dwelling neckbeard.

unix is cool and all but it doesn't beat eternal salvation

>>36777 Jesus saves but Emacs does incremental backup.

You can click on directories in it's command line and display 3D graphics with jumplinks to files, it's already inherently better than un*x braindamage teletype simulators.

I would use it to operate a special custom made printer that prints the bible on toilet paper, but randomly inserts the sentence "i am edgy" every now and then

To talk to and expirence the warmth of god's love dummy

>>36775 In all honesty, while its existence alone is really impressive, from a purely technical standpoint it's usefulness is very limited unless you make huge, sweeping changes to it, at which point it's arguably not really TempleOS anymore. With that said, I can see something like TempleOS, a hyper-minimalist operating system with multitasking but no network support, working really well as an embedded OS for appliances.

It doesn't have a web browser. Therefore, it's already objectively better than any other OS.

>>36775 One of the ideas I like the best from it is begin able to draw in source and command line. So practically, you can have flow charts directly in your source code. Makes commentary actually useful

>>36782 >something like TempleOS A machine with a therapist like program, educational "games" which unlock software (including games) with a virtual therapist to help a learner reflect on experiences in the "games". Also, no security; no internet; only direct data transmissions. An adventurous learner can plant relays.

>>36783 it has a discord server tho >>36775 FOR ALL if anyone is interested you can join us into exploring the depths of templeOS possibilities this is a maintained and enhanced fork of TempleOS best of all, it has a dark theme https://github.com/TomAwezome/ZenithOS

>>36786 Looks awesome. Will ZenithOS maintain Terry's (RIP) religious prohibitions such as resolution/networking/etc.? (excuse the technological ignorance)

>>36786 >discord server I thought Terry's idea for his Temple was to have it completely offline, with no network support.

>>36805 my bad its a discord client but yea https://github.com/tbodt/crocodile

Does anyone else find the "recent" increase in popularity over TempleOS wierd? It used to be more obscure while Terry was alive, and those who knew about it didn't take it seriously, but I've since seen it mentioned in more or less mainstream settings, and people are making the same old jokes, that to me feel overused. Is this just my misimpression, or did something happen?

>>36816 Linus Tech Tips made a video about Temple OS a few months ago.

>>36817 I know, that's one of the "more or less mainstream settings" I was thinking about. But is it only that recent, or hasn't this been going on for longer? GTrends seems to agree that there has been an increase in interest, but it's not really significant.

>>36816 Are there people using the "3 letter + n-word" recently?

Is HolyC and it's compiler actually worth any soykafs?

>>36817 Yes and this neckbeard stereotype has always to appear whenever it's a video about 'non-mainstream tech', he is trying to reinforce that people who use it have to look like picrel.

>>36826 it has no main function everything is compiled from top to bottom it compiles on the fly comments can embed and display image and 3d images

>>36816 yes, it IS weird I guess the story of an schizophrenic more capable than most humans its appealing to the point of legend but yes, I have been increasingly hooked on this thing, I am not that much of a programmer and I am atheist and yet here I am, with a qemu vm running templeOS

>>36775 As a toy to learn from , like minux or a computer than booted into BASIC.

>>36832 But that guy has a clean-shaven neck. When did neckbeard turn into a synonym for fat people?

>>36843 Because all feminists are fat unshaven lesbians with blue hair and all people who voted for Trump had parents who were first cousins and all black people like watermelon and fryin' chickuns. It's the easy way to discredit people rather than tackling their ideas or the strength of their character. You've been stereotyped, join the club of 8 billion other people.

>>36816 I think it's the whole "an artist's work isn't valuable until he's dead thing", also him dying in the way he did brought mainstream attention and jewtubers started riding that attention to get views making documentaries on the guy.

>>36816 My theory is that we have enough info on Terry and TempleOS compiled together at this point that it's easier to get into the TempleOS "mythos" than it used to be. "alt-right" (I hate that phrase but I can't think of a better term) type people also like quoting him out of context because he sounds like an edgy racist and they like making everything a forced meme.

>>36862 There is no honest way to contextualize Terry as not a racist. He called CLI the "white mans command line" and viewed GUI as "for stupid niggers". His acheivements are not less impressive because he was a racist, but racism stained his projects, and dialog in a way that really prevent his projects from bieng as intresting and notably as they might otherwise be - aside from a few edgy racists championing him becaise of this. Really, its too bad Terry was a mentally ill racist. It hurt Terry and his work more than anyone.

>>36862 you are partially misleading had he not been racist no one would champion him now furthermore, he was a whole, racism was fundamental to his accomplishments, just like his schizophrenia

>>36868 >>36871 I always got the impression it came out of his schizophrenia and was moreso an extension of his distorted worldview and weird vocabulary than racism in the traditional sense.

>>36935 You severely overestimate Terries accomplishments. He was dedicated, and capable. Euler contribute 33% of papers published durinf his lifetime. Newton invented Calculus, Calculus of variations, Mechanics, Optics, among other things. Terry isnt an a one man intellectual giant nor is racism or mental illness needed for world class acheivement.

>>36938 >Newton invented Calculus Cough.

>>36868 the reason he was kicked out of OSDev forums(and many other places besides) was because he was hostile and always spouting his schizophrenic and racist ramblings. If he was just a garden-variety racist who didn't constantly write word salad vaguely about CIA niggers coming to get him I'm sure he would be much more widely respected and known. >>36942 Leibniz didn't invent calculus first but his formulation and notation was *much* better than Newton's. He deserves credit for ensuring that first-year calculus students nowadays aren't struggling with what "fluxions" are

>>36946 aye, I remember back when he was on infinitychan/tech/ and it was kind of fun for a little while but everyone quickly tired of him and he was directed to a containment board. It seems like a lot of people goaded him on and they were usually the last kind of people who a schizo should be talking to.

>>36782 >With that said, I can see something like TempleOS, a hyper-minimalist operating system with multitasking but no network support, working really well as an embedded OS for appliances. I believe Terry was an embedded dev for ticketmaster so it would follow that he may have intended this in his saner days. >>36816 >Does anyone else find the "recent" increase in popularity over TempleOS wierd? It used to be more obscure while Terry was alive, Yeah I've been aware of the project for some time being a fan of weird OS's. I won't lie when I only knew that he was supposedly very religious I sort of avoided him thinking I might not like what I find. When I found out he was also crazy I wanted to see what kind of OS a crazy guy makes. If that hadn't happened I would remember him about as much as I remember SymbOS and that other one that the dude spent a decade writing in assembly. >>36871 >had he not been racist no one would champion him now Man you trollin and you know it. I laughed at Terry's crazy racism but you could have substituted that with any other crazy behavior. I don't think Terry was racist before he started losing his mind. >>36938 >You severely overestimate Terries accomplishments. He was dedicated, and capable. Euler contribute 33% of papers published durinf his lifetime. Newton invented Calculus, Calculus of variations, Mechanics, Optics, among other things. Terry isnt an a one man intellectual giant nor is racism or mental illness needed for world class acheivement. >TempleOS is cool because it came from a schizophrenic. It's way more OS than 99.9% of system developers will ever write and here and there it even manages to have some novel features that deserve consideration. I think TempleOS will have some small influence on Operating Systems in the future. That is quite an accomplishment. It's interesting to think what Terry may or may not have done if he didn't have schizophrenia. He might have done nothing interesting, moving on from Ticketmaster, making more money every year. Maybe TempleOS would be a few daydreams he had before kids came his way. Maybe all our phones would be running something Terry made

>>36786 How does ZenithOS compare with Shrine (https://github.com/minexew/Shrine)? A quick glance looks like Shrine is more active, but Zenith's dark theme is killer IMO

>>37006 just check in insight/contributors you will realize zenith is the one actively maintained

>>36938 Newton invented Calculus as much as Leibniz did, also remember that while Newton finished his Calculus paper first, he didn't publish it until after Leibniz publish his own Calculus work(without any of Newton's input on it). Also, Newton didn't invent mechanics , it was already known by his time(and I not saying Aristotle's version of mechanics), what he did was proving the Law of Gravitation, an amazing feat and the whole reason the Principia book is such a masterpiece(and also the main point of that book). Newton also didn't invent optics since that is as old as mechanics, and because of his knowledge in physics, many people trusted his argument of light being a particle and not a wave(because of Newton used wrong experiments to check light was a wave or a particle), which for many centuries people took that for granted until someone decided to bring back the wave theory of light and show that light is both. I find Newton an amazing person amd someone to look up to, but I don't go giving him credits for things he didn't do.

>>36775 >for what would TempleOS be useful? Making offerings, as its designer intended

>>37009 Galelio did some work on mechanics and discovered the concept of Inertia, but Mechanics need require differential equations which come out of the calculus Newton discovered.

>>37010 offerings of what?

>>37033 That I agree with you, but that has nothing to do with "Newton invented mechanics".

>>37034 your sweat and tears

>>37035 At this point its a matter opinion as to what constitutes the invention of mechanics. Early natural philosophers studied projectile motion but no generalized framework and universal framework existed. Newtons discoverey of calculus was required for such a generalized framework. Wikipedia puts it like this : > There is some dispute over priority of various ideas: Newton's Principia is certainly the seminal work and has been tremendously influential, and the systematic mathematics therein did not and could not have been stated earlier because calculus had not been developed. However, many of the ideas, particularly as pertain to inertia (impetus) and falling bodies had been developed and stated by earlier researchers, both the then-recent Galileo and the less-known medieval predecessors. Precise credit is at times difficult or contentious because scientific language and standards of proof changed. But, ita acting in bad faith to pretend that Newton discovered Mechanics is an invalid perspective.

>>37038 >ita acting in bad faith to pretend that Newton discovered Mechanics is an invalid perspective. Perhaps. But I'd say that it's more valid to say that, like what Maxwell did with E&M, he was able to put all the ideas before him in a solid ground.

>>36775 I feel it would be really good for being creative. The internet with it's distractions makes you uncreative. Without the internet, you can be more creative. Not having internet access is actually good. This being said I would recommend anyone here time without fast external input (internet, radio, TV, similar) Only use what you own. Doing that for 1-2 hours each day could change your life. Just deactivate your router for some time or something similar

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>>37586 Not gonna lie. It looks fuarrrking amazing.

>>37006 ZenithOS is an incompatible hardfork of TempleOS. Shrine is TempleOS with some extra software.

>>37586 fuarrrking awesome does templeOS have general purpose graphical libraries? >>37587 did you manage to fix the 3d visual-plane clipping?

>>37587 crunk why does templeOS 3d graphics look noisy?

>>37627 >does templeOS have general purpose graphical libraries? Pretty much >did you manage to fix the 3d visual-plane clipping? I haven't figured out the near-plane clipping issue yet. When vertices cross the near-plane the X and/or Y will flip so it's making it difficult for me to just find the intersection to clip. I'm missing something and I kinda hit a wall. For now my 3D re-implementation just culls triangles if a single vertex crosses the near-plane. >>37628 TempleOS only has 16 colors so in order to do lighting you do a dithering probability between two colors. I think it looks neat and is part of the TempleOS aesthetic.

>>37640 >3D re-implementation so you are not using Terry ones?

>>37006 If it has network capabilities, what does the net actually look like in Terry's OS... I do wonder :-D

>>37682 I started with Terry's 3D implementation and slowly replaced most of it, and optimizing the parts that I kept. I created float point matrix functions instead of fixed point, added camera code, quaternion code, new lighting system, script to convert OBJ files into HolyC, etc.

>>37640 >>37765 How easy is it to write programs under TempleOs? Have you thought about combining your work with Shrine or Zenith?

>>37765 >float point instead of fixed point matrix functions ...that's a performance loss

>>37852 floating point is faster than integer operations on modern CPUs (especially in the x86 family).

>>37844 >How easy is it to write programs under TempleOs? It's very easy to write code in TempleOS. If you know C you can write HolyC. The built in graphical API makes it easy to immediately start drawing to the screen, essentially easier than any other modern operating system. >Have you thought about combining your work with Shrine or Zenith? Shrine is just TempleOS with some extra utilities. If they want to add BlazeItFgt to their package manager they're free to do so, it's MIT+NIGGER licensed. ZenithOS is a hardfork and incompatible with my code for little reason beyond renaming of system functions. 640x480 is fine, 16 color palettes is fine. I enjoy working within technical limitations, if it bothered me I'd just make games for Linux/Windows/WebAssembly. >>37852 Another TempleOS developer (Franc[e]sco) added SSE SIMD, I haven't added it to my code yet, but it would add significant performance. Using floating point was something Terry wrote about doing. "I use fixed-point in Circle(), Ellipse(), Mat4x4MulXYZ(), Mat4x4MulMat4x4New() and others. God says I might want to change to float." --Terry, PersonalNotes.DD:308

>>37586 why are there noisy lines in the stats in the middle? could they be fixed or are they a feature?

>>37884 You mean the level up message? It's an intentional effect. Essentially incorrect usage of dithering probability feature but I thought it looked neat.

imagine if Shrine succeds at "porting" templeOS interpreter to linux Terry could have hastened a new era of linux gamming

>>37886 I dont know if that will happen but I have always thought that constrained environments become power tools for instance: the terminal, neovim/emacs, maybe shrine if they succed tools for what? maybe interactive documentation with doldocs but done seriously; maybe fast and powerful non mousephobic linux UI