What are the absolute stupidest/most oblivious things you've heard individuals state about Linux?

Conversing with non Linux clients, you hear some pretty wild things about Linux. What are probably the stupidest/most oblivious things you've heard individuals state about Linux? A portion of my features are "Linux is brimming with indirect accesses" and "I don't have the foggiest idea how long Linux will be existing"

This was on a gaming network, generally reworded, yet this one person thought everything required Windows... Pretty much every answer he made was a pearl. "Linux is inconsequential, Vulkan is based on DirectX so everything needs to run on Windows in any case." "PCs can't begin without Windows. You need drivers and equipment organizations just make them for Microsoft." "Linux can't run on a PC without Windows. Computers need Windows to run, Apple makes their own equipment so's the reason macintoshes are extraordinary." "In the event that you need to skin your PC use Stardock stuff, don't utilize Linux."

"Linux doesn't need drivers" or "If Linux is so good why doesn't anybody use it?" or "Why should I use Linux over Windows?" are some of the dumbest things I've heard.

I was watching a channel on YouTube called TechLead, and the person was clearly once tech lead of a dev group at Google. Anyway, in one video he fundamentally says working in Linux is working in a terminal (as in, no GUI alternative accessible). He isn't alluding to how predominant the terminal is, on the grounds that he at that point goes into saying how he gets a kick out of the chance to tap on things and that is the reason he loves Windows. As such, he was absolutely uninformed of the presence of desktop environmemts. I quit watching and haven't viewed since.

>>35391 I've also watched a few of his videos, and I suspect him to be a troll, or at least something that comes close to it.

Saw pic related posted in a groupchat once. The people in the groupchat were making fun of it though, I don't know who originally made it. I have a friend who apparently saw a video on how to install Arch and assumed all distros were like that, and said something along the lines of "Linux would be a lot more popular if it were just simpler to install." I also know a lot of Windows users who constantly complain about all the problems that Windows causes, but then also say soykaf like "I don't want to try Linux because Windows just does what I want it to do."

I feel people who has such a strong vendetta against Linux are people who tried it and realized they are not as tech-savy as they thought

>>35390 >Why should I use Linux over Windows? This is actually a genuine question (although it depends on how it is being asked). If it's being asked by a noob make sure to point them to appropriate resources.

>>35392 >>35391 Pretty sure he's a complete con- not too long ago he opened what amounted to a scam class with a colleague. by the way I have seen zero evidence that he worked at either Facebook or Google.

>>35466 This was supposed to have a point but it quickly degenerated into stale memes. >You see, your freedoms... >I'd just like to interject for a moment... >... and here's why Microsoft's EEE is bad... >You could edit the software to... >One useful command, man(1), ... >I don't know, works on my machine... >Rice tastes great and you know what's even better about rice? >If it's not in your repo, compile it! >To compile, use make... >Missing dependencies? Just install them lol... >The kernel panic tells you everything... >Unlike on Windows, YOU are given all the power (so if anything breaks, YOU can fix it yourself!)... >But that game does run on Linux, just not natively. >Oh yeah, anti-cheats suck dick anyway... (they really do, no matter which system you use) >No, they didn't write an app for that. You can however use this simple script.. >Bash? You should use zsh >Zsh? You should use dash >Dash? And your system works correctly? >Install Gentoo >At least you can understand r/linuxmemes. >At least you can understand r/linuxmasterrace. >Yeah, all teachers put their *plaintext homework* into docx. >Wait, that's proprietary... >This fat bearded man is my savior. >This man with his middle finger up is your savior. >... systemd is bad because ... >You will look like a hacker >No, it's really simple and even easier to use than Windows >Maybe there's supposed to be no sound. >Have you read the manual? >Have you read the Arch wiki page on that? >Have you read the Gentoo wiki page on that? >Have you read its source code? >Have you talked with the developer? >There's a better alternative for that... >You don't even have to open the terminal... >It's just a few commands... >Scripts are helpful because... >Understanding C is helpful because... >This is your best chance to learn driver development... >PhD in linguistics might help... >Shaving your hair might help... >Living in a forest might help... >You can configure everything, just open this file and ... >GIMP is better than anything Adobe could ever come up with. >Well, to change the canvas size you have to ... >Yeah, Nvidia can suck all of our dicks. >No forced updates >Cutie? What's that? >Why do you think that I have a personal vendetta on Bill Gates? >Why do you not have a personal vendetta on Bill Gates? >Have you ever tried BSD?

>>35478 >C programming >device driver development These are unironically pretty fun.

>>35478 >GIMP is better than anything Adobe could ever come up with. Do people actually think this? I genuinely like GIMP for the small set of tasks it is good at (applying small, meticulous edits to an entire image... basically anything under the filters menu works great) but it's not at all a photoshop replacement. Mostly because it lacks all those dynamic tools photoshop has for convincingly altering a small portion of an image. (GIMP has what?.. A clone brush?) Not to say that linux somehow can't have good creative software. By some absolute miracle blender exists and is the best damn 3d modelling/animation/renderring software out there. Just for whatever reason it's few and far between. Image editing isn't even the worst case. At least gimp exists. Video editing is another story entirely. We've got kdenvlive which is actually a neat concept but is so poorly realized I literally use ffmpeg one-liners for most of my image editing needs. Linux music production isn't as bad as video but it's still rough if you're expecting Ableton. Renoise is at least good and linux native, though proprietary. Ardour is ok if you just need a pro tools clone for tracking and can figure out how to make the generally unpleasant built in effects work for you. But if you need to do some serious mixing or in the box production the limited quality of linux audio plugins will bite you. This is a real shame because JACK and even bare ALSA are excellent audio daemons that are way better for serious complex audio routing than anything you get on windows or mac. I actually am at the point where I prefer doing my music production on linux but I had to fuarrrking learn DSP from the ground up so I could come up with my own "plugins" in puredata. Hell, these days I actually code my own plugins from scratch a lot of the time because there aren't good existing options for niche effects. I love the control and creative versatility it gives me, but the fact remains that most musicians cannot do this, and so are stuck with fuarrrking ardour. I guess if I have a point related to the thread, it's that "stupid things people say about linux" isn't limited to people who don't use it. Linux users blindly recommending FOSS clones of popular software that looks like a "replacement" on paper but is actually a poor substitute with tons of missing functionality are a problem too. I honestly think this kind of thing is what gives normal people the impression that linux is "bootleg windows". Linux users, including myself at times, want to advocate for linux as a drop in replacement for windows, and you know what? If you need a Facebook machine it actually can be that (chromeos is a testiment to this). But if you want to offer linux to non-techie people who nonetheless have demanding requirements for their PC software: graphic designers, 3D artists, video and music producers... hell, even gamers, you have to be upfront with the fact that linux does not work like windows. Some things are easier, some things are harder, but if they don't learn the linux way of doing things it is going to come across like knockoff windows with nebulous ideological benefits.

>>35500 >for most of my image editing needs. sorry, i meant *video editing of course

Spoiler image and sage because wojak brewing soykaf idk, that it is for ultra hackers, or that dash is like kicking dead whales down the beach and you should use bash, or that you should use gentoo (portage is written in python >_>), that sockets are files...

>>35388 - Linux doesn't need antivirus or working desktop sandboxing because nobody writes viruses for it. - Sudo, typing your password every time you need to edit a text file and other archaic practices from 1970's mainframes totally make sense on a personal computer in $current year$ - Stability of software is not determined by how often this software crashes, but by how often it changes - t. Debian maintainers

>>35505 >- Linux doesn't need antivirus or working desktop sandboxing because nobody writes viruses for it. Server or desktop? There is little motivation for professionals to write untargeted malware for desktop Linux distros. Servers are the opposite. That doesn't mean we should ignore security. It's not an excuse.

>>35509 Oh yeah, lately people have been porting some malware to Linux as well. The thing about Linux and Windows though is that Windows has always had a problem with malware while Linux was a target of active hacking. This is why Windows has a lot of anti-malware stuff with some intrusion detection and Linux has a fuarrrk ton of intrusion detection but barely any anti-malware (my definition of intrusion detection is flawed but hopefully you will understand what I mean. if not, just ignore it). In either case, the argument that "Linux doesn't need antivirus..." is somehow betraying itself. I would say that Linux does not exactly need anti-malware but it still needs some sort of security assurance, server or not.

>>35509 Is there any difference when all desktop distros come with open SSH and X Server ports ready to pwn? Is it okay for all software to come with networking capabilities without ways of knowing and controlling it, e.g. a LibreOffice suite visiting remote links when you open an odt document with them? The only real difference between Windows and Linux desktops is that Windows antivirus software, no matter how inconvenient and invasive it be, does provide a tangible way to manage software Internet behavior and interoperability. On Linux? Well, what can be said about it's window manager where every software reads each other's paste buffers and can make screenshots. Just look at what later Androids do with application permissions, why can't desktop Linuxes do the same?

>>35516 >why can't desktop Linuxes do the same? Seems like this is actually the plan Red hat has been leading the push on this front, which is good and bad depending on how you feel about their software. It's not there yet though. I think linux users care less about clipboard access because it's easier to trust linux software. Still, you're right that it shouldn't need to be trusted to that extent. >does provide a tangible way to manage software Internet behavior and interoperability I quite like windows' firewall. The ability to block network access by process is still something I miss in linux, although to be fair in situations where it's necessary you can of course just throw the process in a network namespace with egress restrictions. The antivirus I could take or leave. Viruses were never a problem for me on windows or linux.

We can't use linux because it would be impossible to get a support contract. This is why we use microsoft windows pro, exchange, IIS, and windows server. Source: IT manager at a company that had razor thin margins on it's product and was spending 0.1% of it's REVENUE on microsoft licensing. Seemed genuinely confused when I told him that's literally how canonical and redhat function as companies.

>>35505 >Sudo, typing your password every time you need to edit a text file and other archaic practices from 1970's mainframes totally make sense on a personal computer in $current year$ Nut windows does the same thing with actions that require administrator access >Stability of software is not determined by how often this software crashes, but by how often it changes - t. Debian maintainers But i It does stable

>>35516 >Just look at what later Androids do with application permissions, why can't desktop Linuxes do the same? there are a lot of methods to do that already, actually, such as firejail and AppArmor... it's just that most distros don't have a friendly graphical interface for it built in by default.

>>35516 >Windows antivirus software, no matter how inconvenient and invasive it be, does provide a tangible way to manage software Internet behavior and interoperability. Linux has OpenSnitch which seems like a good alternative to 3rd party windows firewalls and AVs. >On Linux? Well, what can be said about it's window manager where every software reads each other's paste buffers and can make screenshots True. Still, Flatpaks (and probably snaps) made it easy to manage program permissions just like on android. Flatseal is a flatpak permission manager which any normal person could use.

>>35526 >windows does the same thing with actions that require administrator access Guess where it comes from? NT has huge chunks of Un*x code, concepts and TCP/IP stack ripped from BSD. None of that garbage on DOS and early home computers. It doesn't make sense in current year when each computer has exactly one user, why do I have to prove it's me, the owner by typing in a password every 5 minutes when I have already booted up the system and unlocked it's encrypted drives? If I was an attacker or malware, I'd just run keylogger on the user first (hello, X Server), then bypass this useless security theater. But why exactly can't I edit config files or install software without having to choose between infecting my system or having it absolutely crippled? >>35527 It doesn't work on anything outside of headless or TUI software. Linux is not a desktop system, it's a thing for mainframes, webservers and cloud (mainframes for millenials), not for single-user personal home computers. All the dangerous things are webshit/electron/gtk proprietary soup have direct access to your X Server and can take screenshots of your other GUI programs, you probably don't run password manages in a separate TTY session, do you? Show me how to launch 10 Tor browsers on Linux with AppArmor in same manner I could do it on Windows in Sandboxie or with portable app container.

Saw image related happen in real live. Free? Must be illegal piracy.

>>35543 Flatpacks are security theater garbage: https://flatkill.org/ Same with Snapshit from Nigerian cosmonaut and whatever the third one is called. It also takes 5 seconds to open a damn calculator, holy crap. This calculator still looks worse than default Windows 10 calculator, like yeah all units are in alphabetical order, how intooiteev thank you. Is this the future of Linux Desktop you've always wanted? On Windows you still can run software written for Windows 95, granted it was written properly. On Linux your last week's libraries and kernel APIs are deprecated on a rolling release distro, or you still have to use pre-alpha 0.0.1v0.6 from 2011 on a "stable" ditstro like Debian.

>>35561 Is this real? Karen is the stereotypical name for a woman who does these sorts of things, you see. I'm tempted to think this may have been made up. >>35562 Can you name one piece of Windows 95 Software that has worked on every Windows desktop OS release that followed (so that's 98, 2000, ME, XP, Vista and 7, all the way to 10)?

>>35562 AFAIK flatkill.org is outdated, as for example explained here: https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/9n50ba/ (inb4 plebbit). Then again, I just found this update: https://www.flatkill.org/2020/ > Same with Snapshit from Nigerian cosmonaut and whatever the third one is called. AppImage?

>>35561 I love the world we live in.

>>35560 >It doesn't work on anything outside of headless or TUI software. Huh? I run pretty much everything in a sandbox. Firefox, thunderbird, etc. don't even have read permissions on my disks except for their configuration and downloads folders. >All the dangerous things are webshit/electron/gtk proprietary soup have direct access to your X Server and can take screenshots of your other GUI programs, 1) I use Wayland 2) you can use Xinerama to isolate every program even if you have only X. Firejail does this pretty easily. >Show me how to launch 10 Tor browsers on Linux with AppArmor in same manner I could do it on Windows in Sandboxie or with portable app container. Generally I would do that in a virtual machine using Whonix, aspects of the TCP implementation are still possible to glean if someone breaks firefox's default sandbox and lands inside an AppArmor one.

>>35574 er it's not Xinerama, it's Xephyr or something. I haven't needed to use it in years so my memory is cloudy.

>>35574 Wayland keyloggers exist

>>35576 this one? https://github.com/Aishou/wayland-keylogger it's not fundamentally a window manager problem, this is a deeper problem that a lot of linux distros by default just don't deal with. You are right, allowing just anyone to set environment variables is a terrible idea, and it's why running pretty much everything in a namespace/chroot sandbox is a good idea.

>>35561 >>35564 Found it I think http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux-stop-holding-our-kids-back.html?m=1

Noob windows gamer here. I use Ubuntu on my old laptop cause it's faster and does everything I need my laptop for, but desktop pc will always be Windows. I tried switching to Mint for 3 years but I was not as savvy as I thought and constantly ran into problems. I really disliked things that would be an .exe file or settings menu on Windows, now being hours of googling and entering cryptic terminal commands. Though I may have had a botched install, cause my Arch-using friend was always trying to help and scratching his head too. I'm using Ubuntu for much of the same stuff on my laptop and experiencing none of the problems I did before.

>>35589 >Though I may have had a botched install That's a possibility. I never ran into problems with Mint. However I only used it for 3 weeks before I switched to Antergos (and also, before building a PC, I thought carefully about Linux support - fuarrrk Nvidia <3). Windows and Linux are two completely different worlds - Linux is full of scripts, little cli programs and countless config files while Windows is just windows with their easiest-as-possible usability. It's hard for me to understand how some people can use Linux and rarely open their terminal. Anyway, Godspeed Lainon.

>>35523 Apparmor and SELinux can also be used for that sort of restriction. SubgraphOS had something like that, I think, in the works. https://linux-application-firewall.org/ Some people are apparently trying to make a user friendly way to do it with eBPF & namespaces. Neat. >>35574 Arcan also has that sort of GUI isolation and has Xorg & Wayland emulation.

>>35603 Doing anything advanced at all on Windows also requires the use of command-line programs. Especially when one starts to dig into group policy internals.

>>35561 this is the mentality of a normal person job’s sysadmin

>>35608 That's a possibility but I meant a "normal person" or "somewhat intermediate" kind of usage. I have never used Windows as anything other than this. The closest I got to being a Windows admin of sorts was at school. I guess they tried to turn us into Windows Server masters or something like that, but all of us had to use the GUI which was questionable.

>>35603 >It's hard for me to understand how some people can use Linux and rarely open their terminal. If you're not a "power user" then you won't need it. If you are a "power user" or a minimalist you'll need cmd/power shell on Windows too. Everything a normal person would do is accessible through a GUI or a web page. So to majority of people Linux and Windows are identical, with the exception of software availability.

with how much arch pisses me off these days i might just start reposting some of these memes on halfchan

>>35621 well im not even good with the terminal but the gui tools are buggy, ugly, inconsistent and overall annoying. also there is the usual trend of "random thing only working sometimes" the answer to this, of course, is tons of insecure bloat that runs along side your desktop

>>35608 but just dont changes always bite you in the ass a few updates later

>>35631 Why do you think this Most gui tools are as pretty as its gtk/qt theme >"random thing only working sometimes" What does this even mean?

>>35621 Fair point.

"x is a hacker he uses Linux" I have non technical friends see me using the console and they ask me if I'm a hacker or something like "who are you hacking this time" or they think I'm doing illicit stuff when I just trying to sort my files, etc...

>>35684 when that happens I bring up cmatrix and keysmash and say dumb stuff like "woah-h-h!!! Can't talk now my bitbrother, I'm cracking the WEP on this mainframe!"

>>35684 Oh yes, the daily bread and butter of a Linux user. >>35685 >NSA? Pwned >FBI? Pwned >CIA? Pwned >NASA? Pwned >This schools router? Pwned >Your mom? Pwned >I don't even see the code anymore. All I see is pwned, pwned, pwned.

Linux was conceived as an OS for personal computer by it's creator. Today it's mainly used for servers, cloud, supercomputer, IoT and similar anti-freedom technology. Most of Linux development is done for server purposes. Conventional desktop functionality rapidly recedes or stagnates. All Linux desktop software is actively sabotaged with poor decisions, low software quality and lack of long-term software stability (examples: GNOME, KDE, Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian). People get convinced by free software developed for Windows that all free software is of high quality, they switch to Linux and become disappointed with lowered quality of software which also affects quality of their life. "Learning Linux" most of the time means becoming a technopriest for corporate servers, "developing for Linux" most of the time means perpetrating the server-mainframe anti-personal computer anti-freedom agenda. Only two industries refer to their customers as 'users': illegal drugs and software. http://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html https://forums.whonix.org/t/fixing-the-desktop-linux-security-model/9172

>>35696 Is this on-topic or are you serious? Please elaborate, thanks in advance.

>>35525 That's always frustrating. I feel like a more common excuse is they don't want to use Samba.

>>35564 >Karen But this is so much older than that meme.

>>35502 >or that you should use gentoo You unironically should,I used to be a distrohopper until I understood the concept behind portage >(portage is written in python >_>) You are right, it's written in python, but if you have the time to compile all of your software it won't hurt adding a couple seconds, even though I do believe some operations (like dependency calculations) could be written on another language to improve it's speed.

>>35500 dude, the best video editor for professional end works is on linux right now, it is just like it doesn't run if your pc is not ryzen and soykaf (davinci resolve) >t.film student who works in linux And also, i agree gimp it is no the best option compared to adobe photoshop, but photoshop isn't even a standard anymore, it's lightroom (for photographers) and are a lot of apps that do exactly the same on linux. what it come to games, i don't really care, i just do serious work

>>35843 firmly believe everyone prefers photoshop because they just grew up with it and old habits die hard. that's how it is in my case anyway. have always just used wine to use photoshop 7 rather than learning gimp. because ive been using photoshop for like 10 years

>>35843 What lightroom does is like only a fraction of what you can achieve with PS, PS is the best PHOTO MANIPULATION SOFTWARE out there. Now don't get me wrong not only I think adobe has a bad business model I think they are evil, but the sooner we acknowledge what's so good about PS the better. I can't do art with Gimp. For AI it's a different story, Inkscape looks and feels old but it gets the job done and hell I'd even say it competes with Illustrator. It's no only the features, I think an important factor is people who are developing Gimp have no idea what they are doing, while people at adobe are designers themselves or pay a lot of money for UX.

>>35500 GIMP has objectively fewer features than photoshop and its interface for some things is not great. It's great as a basic image editor, and luckily for me that's all I use it for.

remembering when the computerphile did an experiment and edited all his videos on linux and said it wasn't good and FOSSbros flamed the fuarrrk out of him

>>35859 >not great Thats an understatement and a half, GIMP has notoriously bad user interface to the point that the two things you will see said about it nearly anywhere that knows what it is some variation on the UX being awful and then some comment on the name being slightly amusing. Its something common to a fair few FLOSS projects, its maintained by nerds that care more about their poweruser functionality than wide market appeal as all the UX types have other interests or would rather take software corp money. The few UX types that remain tend to be the worst types of project parasites that mostly just destroy rather than actually improving the software.

>>35873 like i said a few posts ago, the UX is only "bad" cause everyone grew up on PS.

>>35856 idk, maybe the best manipulation program for retouch, remove things, doin memes and others, as for professional photography no one uses it anymore, cause it is kind of lame to no be able to get the photo you want directly into the raw file. For graphic design on the other hand, it's still the best option. I mean no one could dare use gimp for studios. I have to say that i just speak of what i know after some years working in photography/video and it is a totally personal opinion because, if you now your field well, you will know the exact programs that you need on linux, but for other kind of artist/creative worker this might not be true, i mean i do not know anything about 3d modelling and people says blender is a godly program, wich i cannot confirm because i dont use it. But nor it's everything perfect, like the gimp deal (at this point you will know that you just can install PS trought wine). In my situation, i couldn't get a driver working for an old hp film scanner, wich it doesn't matter so much because it's not even a good scanner and the professional options out there, are all supported by linux wich i will have to get sooner or later if i need to get an improve (right now just scann trough a virtual machine and later process it on darktable, it's not even hard doin all of that on 5 minutes or less, it's just the time that the scanner take to process and save the image in a shared folder, like i said, it is not the best device for what i need). to resume, if you are doing serious business you could do the exactly same in whatever OS you're using, because you need to have that kind of knowledge when trying to build a work station. (this means, software, hardware, drivers, operating systems, like if your workstation is meant to be a stream/gamer kind of thing, you will, and have to know, windows is your only serious option, or if you are a serious music producer yo will know that MacbooksPro are the standard industry, it is common sense, and with that knowledge you will have the tools to achieve what you need)

>>35856 Krita is the competitive alternative for art

>>35879 Krita is terrible in comparison to photoshop

>>35874 I second this. I always used GIMP, and one time I tried Photoshop, nothing made sense. And I don't think all free software should automatically copy everything it's non-free counterpart does, at least without a more objective argument as to why it's better.

>>35859 Even the basic stuff is lacking in GIMP. One of the really popular things people use PS for is creation of animated gifs. GIMP is so shambolically bad at it that people actually buy/pirate PS just so they can make animated gifs, nothing else, just this single, basic feature. There used to be a GIMP add-on called GAP that made things better (it was still lacking compared to PS but at least the basic functionality was there) but it was never implemented into GIMP proper (why?) and now it's unsupported and buggy and you can't even install it anyway. So people just use PS. And I know that the right way to create an animated gif is to just use ffmpeg and gifski, it's what I do, but those are both command line tools with a learning curve that's simply too steep for somebody who just wants to make an animated gif once in a while.

>>35885 what? photoshop had an entirely different tool for making animations, called imageready. photoshop had a button to switch to imageready with your image and layers so you could begin playing with frames.

>>35886 Imageready was discontinued almost 15 years ago you absolute ignoramus. Animation support has been a feature in PS since the late 00s.

>>35843 >care more about their poweruser functionality than wide market appeal I don't actually think this is the problem with GIMP. GIMP isn't a Photoshop clone, and shouldn't be so commonly recommended as such. If anything it's more like an advanced version of imagemagick. All of the tools are designed partitioning an image raster into arrays and applying filters to those arrays. One way to put it might be that Photoshop is for editing photos, while GIMP is for editing pixel rasters. The UI, while admittedly not great, makes way more sense if you think about it in that context. Photoshop on the other hand is more about the "paint brush" metaphor. GIMP has brushes too, but they are soykaf because they're a total afterthought. Of course Photoshop can do everything GIMP can do, but GIMP's solutions tend to be more direct for cases where you need mathematical precision. For example, if I needed to adjust a normal map or some kind of abstract texture buffer thing, I'd probably reach for GIMP over photoshop.

>>35891 Another way to illustrate this distinction is comparing how you would draw a circle in both programs. In Photoshop you just pick a pen-like tool and "draw" it onto the image, while in gimp you make a circular selection and fill that selection with a color. I don't think this makes GIMP more conducive to a "power user" work flow. It's just a completely different approach to image editing that is suitable for different situations. Overall I think photoshop is better software, but there's more to it than gimp failing to ape photoshop.

>UNIX is secure >CLI is secure because it's supposedely minimal >UNIX enables composition of components (muh pipes, etc) >sudo makes you secure >unicode has solved language on computers

>>35500 >I guess if I have a point related to the thread, it's that "stupid things people say about linux" isn't limited to people who don't use it. When I read this I thought you were concluding the (user) experiences you've had with sarcastic strokes on your keyboard when you said: stupid things being said about Linux are not limited to people who don't use it. Instead I found that you were enlightening us with your comprehensive comparisons of your interpretation of what you think other people want in operating systems and software (UX & that other thing amirite). Thank you for enlarging the debate with your insights. Is it you think other people are not interested because of your predispositioned insights? I don't think that is currently the case, you wouldnt write it otherwise. What then? Maybe its just you who wants to be convinced, who knows/cares? I thought production of any kind should be creative. Otherwise its not productive, but constructive and about something worse than fun. People tend to mix those two a lot, especially when it comes to pecuniary individualism, but eh I'm not implying anything, I'm also just passing through. What Linux needs to get popular is good PR and good PR is expensive. And why would anyone want to popularize something even more when functionality > community size. DIYing is part of the fun and if you disagree it means you don't want to put in work to have fun, and thats something that you'll carry with you if you didnt already. It could even be that thing youre unable to do and your self-image complex plays up again, like that's something important. But eh maybe its me, right, I'm projecting my interpretation of how I think people experience things that really is my own behavior, or at least of how I imagine (read: remember) it to be. And install gentoo Anyone want to say /thread?

>>35841 >even though I do believe some operations could be written on another language to improve it's speed https://old.reddit.com/r/Gentoo/comments/hace5c/python_is_too_slow_for_portage_why_not_write_a_cc/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Gentoo/comments/huczqb/portage_300_released_with_up_to_5060_faster/ https://www.gentoo.org/news/2020/09/05/portage-3-stablized.html Long story short, rewriting portage in another language is likely not worth the effort. It's the classical problem; rewriting something in C won't help if your program spends 60% of its time in a kernel spinlock (this is just an example).

>>35500 >I actually code my own plugins from scratch Have you shared them or do they work on your machine only?

>>35922 I have not shared them because frankly I've only recently gotten good enough at it to consider doing so. (Also, they tend to be hacky one-offs I wouldn't want to support long term.) However, I'm working on a couple things right now that I do intend to share once I figure out a good UI. I'll post in the DSP thread when/if that happens. At the very least they might be good examples for anyone who wants to learn how to code soykaf in Faust lang.