Hackers in 2020

If the movie Hackers took place in 2020: >What type of gear would they be running? >Would they be running any of the same gear they did? Pagers? >What sites, software, or platform would they be interested in or using? >What books would Cereal have in his backpack?

>>33191 >What type of gear would they be running? I'm thinking as far as computers go, Thinkpads. Not sure which though. I'm feeling T420/T430, Corebooted. Thinking they'd just keep it with them, then dock at home. I'd expect them to maybe also have a handful of older ones to play around with. Not sure how they'd utilize them though. What OS you guys think? I'd say maybe OpenBSD, if not that then maybe Gentoo? Maybe keep around some old Unix machines for nostalgia? >Would they be running any of the same gear they did? Pagers? Man the pagers look so beautiful in the film, they all are spray painted neon it really fits in with their style haha. I'm thinking they'd drop the pagers, I can't see any real reason to have one besides nostalgia (although I do wish they were more common still), to be replaced with a smartphone. Maybe a Google Pixel flashed with GrapheneOS, or a Linux phone. >What sites, software, or platform would they be interested in or using? Not sure about this one, I feel like 2020 is a very weird place. I can say I think for certain they'd feel against the way HTTP has went. Maybe they'd be interested in Gemini? Although it's still kinda quiet. I'd expect at least one of them to be running their own home server. Maybe 2 people running for redundancy. They share all their files and software. Not sure what they'd be running. Jellyfin, XMPP server, idk what else. As I mentioned I think they'd be running OpenBSD, Gentoo, GrapheneOS as far as operating systems. I feel they'd prefer FOSS heavily. Definitely lean towards imageboard as far as social media goes. Not sure which though. Probably Signal or XMPP for communication.

>>33191 >>33192 Part 2, got blocked by the filter. >What books would Cereal have in his backpack? Not sure about this one actually. Maybe some ORiley Books? The C Programming Language? Some Unix book? Would love to hear more ideas here. Anyways, I really wish you could recreate this comfy feel in 2020. With everyone using the internet it feels so desolate. And not living in a big city, it's hard to find meets or even people in person with similar interests. Nobody gets in person, discusses software or just geeks out anymore. I feel that died in early 2000s with the internet becoming so mainstream. It's such a shame. Maybe we should get a site going for finding meets? Or setup some groups on the Fediverse (ActivityPub platforms like Pleroma, Friendica, etc) for our area to find people? Like make a group on them like "Ohio Hacker Group" or some crap. Idk. As someone who missed a lot of that 80s-90s cyberpunk/hacker soykaf it seems fairly dead.

>>33191 >What books would Cereal have in his backpack? I think "Absolute FreeBSD", Intel x86 32/64bit instruction set books, maybe something about virtualization.

Why wouldn't a hacker use a pentest distro like parrot?

>>33222 Because pentest distros are meme and anyone with a brain would know to just use a minimal install and install the tools you actually need. Also why in the hell would you main a/your pentest distro? >>33221 Pretty good actually I can totally see the FreeBSD one, not sure about virtualization. What benefit would you imagie for the instruction set books just curiously?

>>33223 I thought we are talking about a movie? So street cred with normal people would be first goal something that looks hacker on first google would seem most fitting. Secondary whole point of a distro is that you dont have to manually install everything. It's the lazy mans choice.

>>33224 >I thought we are talking about a movie? That doesn't mean it can't be a realistic movie? >So street cred with normal people would be first goal something that looks hacker on first google would seem most fitting. The first Hackers movie was pretty much between them as a group of Hackers. It had nothing to do with fitting in with normal people. Either way, you can still be very knowledgeable in what you do, while being able to fit in with the normal people. If you saw the movie, you would know that they did achieve a great level of complexity as far as the computers and discussions go. Of course they had to simply it and normal person it up a bit to make it understandable, but they come across as fairly knowledgable people. >Secondary whole point of a distro is that you dont have to manually install everything. Except, 1. That's what a lot of technical people like to do, minimal installs mean less attack surface and vulnerabilities on your system. It would only make sense that they would strive for this. Secondly, Pentest distros are inherently insecure, to even consider using them as a daily distro is absolutely stupid. As a pen-test distro, they offer no true benefit over just using a minimal install and installing the tools you need once again. What's the point of having a distro with a million tools you never plan on using, when you can just have none and only install what you need.

So it's important to know that the hacker community was initially not happy with Hackers and at the time they considered it unrepresentative. The kids were too cool, the dialog felt forced, the computers were too graphical and the representations of hacking didn't make sense. At the time the movie came out I was in with many of the well known hackers who acted as consultants for the movie. I get the impression that the conversations were very one sided and the movie people took notes and put the pieces into the move. Obviously over the years the hacker community has embraced the film and in retrospect they did good getting the major themes of the hacker community, they did their best to explain hacking in a visually appealing way that would make sense to a broad cross section of movie goers. The only part they really failed at was sampling geek talk to insert into random parts of the movie. I think the most obvious examples would be the scene where they fawned over Crash Override's RISC laptop and the part where they hacked into the Gibson and screamed "They're in the kernel". I don't know who they talked to or what was said for these segments but I can imagine a writer talking to a hacker: Writer: So what computers do hackers think are cool? Macs? Dells? Geek: Hell no I use a Sun Blabbity Writer: Oh I've never heard of that and why is it better? Geek: blah blah blah... dependable...since 1986 and the brand new pentium just now only has....but RISC so that the compiler can blah blah blah and the performance! Everything will be RISC in the future the x86 is dead just you wait. Writer: Oh I see, and how do you hack a computer? Geek: So blah blah and then the buffer overflow but kernel protection blah rings blah so once you're in the kernel you have total control. Writer: Ahh so once you're into the kernel then you've won.. Ok very informative. They got the hacker rivalries right, the beef with the secret service, phreaking, joey's social awkwardness, lamers and elites, social engineering, dumpster diving, the books, the k12 school hacking, the lusting after computers they couldn't have. They really did do a good job. >>33191 >What type of gear would they be running? At the time they would have IRL been rocking old 386 laptops running linux because they're kids and at the time you took whatever you could afford. Guys like plague would maybe have had a mac laptop or newer panasonic toughbook running linux, maybe a really nice thinkpad. I don't know if there was ever a laptop that ran A/UX but it would have fit nicely with the movie. Now days if they made the movie I'm sure everyone is going to be running a macbook pro with OSX. IRL that wouldn't be unreasonable either except maybe some of the kids would be on old thinkpads and the richer ones would be on macs. >Would they be running any of the same gear they did? Pagers? Aside from the computers the tech IRL and in the movie at the time matched up pretty good. I don't remember what phones they used but IRL the most popular phone of the day for cell phreaks was the oki900 but once again when you're a kid you take what you can get. I'm sure every phone in the movie was paid for product placement so I doubt they put in an oki. Today they'd all have custom androids IRL, they're either going to be soykaf devices or Pixels but in the movie I think they're gonna be using iphones or possibly other flagships because of product placement money. I think you'd maybe see rouge devices like wifi pineapples or trojan'd USB drives left in the parking lot. I think you might see a pocket cell phone jammer or stingray type devices even though hackers typically don't have that sort of thing. You'll definitely see a cellphone get hacked through the USB interface before the movie is over. I think hacking a car or NFC physical access device are strong possibilities. I think they'll touch on the current scene's love of SBCs, instead of selling bootleg music cereal might have something 3d printed. >What sites, software, or platform would they be interested in or using? IRL Then : The hacker community definitely had interest in getting access to Cray , VAXen, SGI, and to a lesser degree Sun and HPUX machines. There was also an interest in getting access to legacy minicomputer systems for example PDP systems running RSTS, Prime systems, weird stuff like that just because they were so exotic. There were the old hacker sites of the day most of which I've forgotten but they would have used IRC a lot IRL. IRL NOW: Today they'd be interested in using OSINT sites like linkedin and lexisnexus. Imageboards, and TOR sites seems a lot of hackers use slack and discord these days. Movie Now: Since this is a movie they would have a lot of twitter and facebooks getting hacked. Maybe some screenshots of a cloud hosting provider. Maybe there would have been a nudes dump since that's a thing that barely existed at the time but is big news now. I feel like they'd give some nod to the shodan search engine but it would be some jazzed up fictionalized version. Culture now: Even a kid can have a whole kubernetes cluster with GPU these days so the movie wouldn't have as much lusting after systems they can't get which means that particular aspect of the movie culture wouldn't have existed either. >>What books would Cereal have in his backpack? IRL then: I think some of the books were fake but some of them were definitely real. I think they did a good job. IRL now: Honestly many of the same books they'd have used before. The DoD rainbow set is still referenced. K&R is still very popular. Orilley books were extremely popular back then. I think for hacking nostarch puts out some great books. One difference is that nobody calls anything except the rainbow set by color anymore. In the modern movie I can't see them pass up a chance to show the metasploit pentester's guide. Now before I leave out someone's person anecdote about interacting with hackers I think I should mention that IRL then and now you'll find oddballs. Guys who run windows or who are perfectly happy with their iphones. I'm hearing about more older worn out hacker types who don't have anything but a tablet or netbook. Personally I avoid traveling with a laptop unless work demands it, I'd have never expected myself to do that in 1995. Back in the day I knew hackers who actually ran windows NT or Mac System and oddballs who used OS/2, WindowsNT. Some people stuck with dos and desqview or amiga well after the rest of the world was win95 or linux though I think most of these people had moved on to linux by the time 98 was released. The Joeys of the world were often stuck with win 3.11 or Win95 but they were numerous and after the release of the movie there was an explosion of these types on the scene which is another source of the animosity they had to the movie.

>>33231 >seems a lot of hackers use slack and discord these days. Uh, you mean script kiddies?

>>33193 >And not living in a big city, it's hard to find meets or even people in person with similar interests. Nobody gets in person, discusses software or just geeks out anymore. I feel that died in early 2000s with the internet becoming so mainstream. It's such a shame. NO! It was so hard to find hacker subculture back in the day. I used to drive over 100 miles to socialize with young hackers could probably explain how a buffer overflow exploit worked or who knew the difference between TCP and UDP. In my town we had some lesser hacker types but even then they were few and far between. You'd run into one or or maybe two of them if you went somewhere to take computer classes. I worked at a very early maker space and took classes and I could count the people my age who knew the UNIX command line on my fingers. I even taught several of them myself. If you sign up for a security class at your local community college and make an effort to socialize I'll bet you meet that many hackers in a single quarter. The thing that separated me from other teen hackers in my town was that I had exposure to adult hackers. I figured out how to steal internet from a university before there was any unmetered internet providers in my town and I immediately sought out names and places that I read about in Phrack. When I found them I was mocked incessantly even though I was the best kid in town or the best kid in my school. Soon after that I started attending user groups mostly attended by working adults who would answer questions I had from exposure to elite hackers who wouldn't explain soykaf and they gave me books I could have never afforded on my own and after that I far outclassed anyone my age that I didn't meet on the internet or at a 2600 meeting.

>>33231 >So it's important to know that the hacker community was initially not happy with Hackers and at the time they considered it unrepresentative. Yeah, I completely understand why they disliked it. It is fairly corny. >I get the impression that the conversations were very one sided and the movie people took notes and put the pieces into the move. This is how I personally always figured it was. However, there clearly was someone there (directing/on set) though with some a reasonable understanding however too I feel. I don't expect it to be a highly realistic accurate representation, when you go into the movie expecting that, of course it will be a letdown. There were stuff that annoyed or bothered me, however that doesn't mean it couldn't be enjoyable and entertaining. And in my opinion it was, and still is. >old 386 laptops running linux because they're kids and at the time you took whatever you could afford. I'm feeling classic Thinkpads on this one. Either way very reasonable. Linux or I feel more heavily that they would prefer BSD. >Now days if they made the movie I'm sure everyone is going to be running a macbook pro with OSX. Oddly, I don't believe this. I could see something like Optiplexes by officials in their work, and maybe a high end Thinkpad or Dell Enterprise by the Plague and similar. The teens, as above. I want to believe that we would ascend past Macs, I feel like I've been seeing less Apple in tech movies lately. >I don't remember what phones they used I don't recall seeing any cell phones, only landlines and pagers. Could be wrong though. >The most popular phone of the day for cell phreaks was the oki900 As someone who kinda missed this era, what about the oki900 made it a popular choice for phreaks? >Today they'd all have custom androids IRL, they're either going to be soykaf devices or Pixels but in the movie I think they're gonna be using iphones or possibly other flagships because of product placement money. I can see more towards at the very least LineageOS. The officials (secret service) may be Apple or something. I can't imagine the movie being very soykaf given the researchers for the movie don't go digging for info on places like Reddit. However that may be likely. >I think you'd maybe see rouge devices like wifi pineapples or trojan'd USB drives left in the parking lot. I think you might see a pocket cell phone jammer or stingray type devices even though hackers typically don't have that sort of thing. You'll definitely see a cellphone get hacked through the USB interface before the movie is over. I think hacking a car or NFC physical access device are strong possibilities. Yeah I can see that, maybe even some amateur radio. I can't see a stingray, maybe a jammer. Car hacking seems like a very possible scene. >I think they'll touch on the current scene's love of SBCs Stupid question, but what are SBC's? >instead of selling bootleg music cereal might have something 3d printed. I think they'd touch on online piracy and sharing. And yeah I can see some 3d printed stuff making minor appearances. >OSINT sites like linkedin and lexisnexus. Ouch. >Imageboards and TOR definitely. >Slack and Discord Again, if they were to do reasonable research, then I'd think more towards XMPP or something. >Cloud I can 100% see cloud hacking being a big thing. >IRL then: I think some of the books were fake but some of them were definitely real. I think they did a good job. Yeah I agree. >The DoD rainbow set is still referenced. Is the information not heavily outdated? >nostarch puts out some great books Yeah I like their stuff. >I'm hearing about more older worn out hacker types who don't have anything but a tablet or netbook. Personally I cannot stand doing anything on phones or tablets. At minimum, something like an x220 for portability for me in general.

>>33238 >Uh, you mean script kiddies? Lol maybe I am not really 'scene' anymore. I'm an old man with a job and a hobby and I don't work in infosec though I've considered it because I've seen so many absolute doofuses make good money doing it. Believe it or not I got in touch with all these famous hackers of yesteryear and they told me to make a facebook account so I could join their private group.

>>33238 >Uh, you mean script kiddies? Basically hacking in 2020 lol >NO! It was so hard to find hacker subculture back in the day Wasn't just talking about hacking, but just computers in general. I can still understand it being difficult to find, however I know a handful of older people near me who used to do it. It seems it was easier to find people who were truly interested in computers on a fairly technological level because only certain people used them. >If you sign up for a security class at your local community college and make an effort to socialize I'll bet you meet that many hackers in a single quarter. My issue here is, would they be people with actual passion? Or people who are just trying to get a job? It looks like tech jobs are sooo overridden with people who give two fuarrrks about their jobs. Sure this can be said with a lot of jobs, but the issue is finding people with passion versus just Windows users who sit and play Fortnite while talking to people on Discord and say they have a passion for computers because they know how to read CPU specs and have built their own computer. Hell even a lot of the people using Linux are fairly like that. Seems like BSD users are currently in a sweet spot of being niche but generally have knowledge. Could be wrong, just my observations. >Believe it or not I got in touch with all these famous hackers of yesteryear and they told me to make a facebook account so I could join their private group. That's absolute cancer to be honest. I would think even a group on Friendica would be far more reasonable. I can understand people being burned out, or not have the time. But it's easier than ever to use alternatives now, shame. Anyways, I know you mentioned community college group, but would you have any suggestions on finding people with passion (IRL, not online chats) that doesn't require going to a college? lmao.

>>33242 >This is how I personally always figured it was. However, there clearly was someone there (directing/on set) though with some a reasonable understanding however too I feel. They had open input from the hacker community and they hired 2600's Emmanuel Goldstein as a consultant. > Linux or I feel more heavily that they would prefer BSD. For whatever reason in 1995 the BSD hackers were generally smarter than the linux ones but even those guys ran Linux on their laptops because there were no drivers. > I could see something like Optiplexes by officials in their work, and maybe a high end Thinkpad or Dell Enterprise by the Plague and similar I can definitely see dells for the public officials. As for pros using macs, it's more about status at work and what's offered. The mac is often the nicest/most expensive corporate laptop you can get so I feel like plauge might want a surface pro for it's size, a thinkpad or toughbook for durability, or might not even give a fuarrrk but he's going to ask for the mac pro because it's what all the other important people have and he's not going to let them cheap out or have someone think he's the least important person in the board room. In the movie the choice of laptop is going to be driven by whoever sponsors the movie and has a cool looking laptop to advertise. I agree that apple is showing up less in movies anymore. >As someone who kinda missed this era, what about the oki900 made it a popular choice for phreaks? Out of the box the debug mode on the unmodded phone would give you a ton of access to features including the ability to poke data into any memory location from the keypad. There were a ton of mods including the ability to bank multiple ESNs and assign them through the user interface. Eventually the hacker community probably had better documentation of how the phone worked than okidata itself. There were reasonably priced 3rd party tools for the phone. If you were serious about phone phreaking you had an oki900 >I can't imagine the movie being very soykaf given the researchers for the movie don't go digging for info on places like Reddit. However that may be likely. I'm almost positive they'd go to places like reddit and ask Sabu who was not that good and fully of soykaf or Mitnick who hasn't been a hacker since the first movie came out. They'd probably involve people from defcon and that might save things a bit. >Stupid question, but what are SBC's? Single Board Computers like rpi and arduino >Is the information not heavily outdated? Yes but I think I saw questions about it on CISSP maybe 10 years ago. It's like the OSI model, people keep referencing it "because it's a useful framework for discussion" when no.. it's not. I don't think anyone reads it anymore, more like they read about it. >Personally I cannot stand doing anything on phones or tablets. At minimum, something like an x220 for portability for me in general. Eh yeah but I've had periods of my life where I was much less interested in computers. It makes sense when you think of people a little older and their first experiences might have been teletypes or punchcards. They're tired of computers, they're in meetings all day and never write code, they wanna play with their grandkids in their spare time. Mark Dean is probably the single largest contributor to the design of the original IBM PC and I think I read he uses a tablet these days. >My issue here is, would they be people with actual passion? Or people who are just trying to get a job? I think you'll find one or two people with passion and the rest might like it but would probably not be doing it if it wasn't a hot job market. >Could be wrong, just my observations. Nah you're right. Some of them might be more passionate than they appear but once they start working they need to spend their time learning the new DildosJs framework or other things they really don't like. >Anyways, I know you mentioned community college group, but would you have any suggestions on finding people with passion (IRL, not online chats) that doesn't require going to a college? lmao. Maybe you have a 2600 meeting or a professional users group? Hacking competitions? You could help school kids build robots or if you're a school kid join up with such a group. Probably the best teenage hackers I met in my childhood were from my network admin classes. Most of the class was mediocre but there were like 3 kids who really got it and they each had a few other friends who got it. One of the kids was actually already friends with some of the people I knew online. >That's absolute cancer to be honest. MoD, LoD, H4g1s, BoW, feh, and r00t all meeting up on facebook! I won't name anyone else specifically because they might care but Mitnick was booted out and while most of us were all grown up there were still people beefing about soykaf that happened in like 1989. I only joined facebook because of their endorsement and I was able to find all sorts of long lost friends so that was good but still ended up leaving because the site is spyware and the content is straight mental illness in a feed.

>>33260 >or Mitnick who hasn't been a hacker since the first movie came out Yup can see that one lol >Single Board Computers like rpi and arduino Ah yeah >Eh yeah but I've had periods of my life where I was much less interested in computers I still feel you could have no interest in computers and prefer to do stuff on a laptop. It's just kinda quicker, you have a full keyboard, more viewing space, yk. Looking up or doing anything on tablets or phones feel like a far bigger burden to me personally idk. >I was able to find all sorts of long lost friends so that was good but still ended up leaving because the site is spyware and the content is straight mental illness in a feed. Yeah basically, even as a younger person social media is very cancerous idk. Also thank you for your other comments will def look around

>computers iPads >books /g/entooman library >gear Apple Watches You know it's true.

>>33191 >What type of gear would they be running? >Would they be running any of the same gear they did? Pagers? Crapple stuff (like they did back then too) and other big corp sonsored gear. That movie was one huge product placement. Also script kiddie grade scripts and sploits. >What sites, software, or platform would they be interested in or using? MacOS I suppsoe see above. >What books would Cereal have in his backpack? Biography ov Steve Jobs?

>>33247 >Wasn't just talking about hacking, but just computers in general. I can still understand it being difficult to find, however I know a handful of older people near me who used to do it. My parents were hackers in the 80/90s, mostly did it to get free soykaf back when everything was based on having subscriptions or paying huge sums for services that today are taken for granted. I regret not asking them more about computers, but they tried to raise me in a technology free household.

>>33413 >but they tried to raise me in a technology free household. darn, what a dysfunctional family xD

I find it amusing to accidentally spot classic Thinkpads in movies, they are actually very rare compared to ubiquitous crapple product placement, or some weird promotion for Microsoft's latest gimmick, or some boring ridicule like RGB gaymer's laptop or plain office surplus. I think I've seen T420's in some fairly recent Disney "princess universe" (or whatever that franchise is called) musical, probably one of the stage staffers suggested them as an inside joke.

>>33191 the 6 dudes who post in lainchan are literally the dudes who visit however the hackers club it's called... let's call it cyberia

i know they're doing a remake. Its gonna be a generic techno babble that wont have the over the top charm of the original.

Well, one thing I see we're not touching on is that most of the characters were high school students 16ish-18ish. I know it's easy for us to say that they would use linux distros on thinkpads but honestly they would probably use what they can get, and whatever phones their parents are getting them. All of the kids are in single parent house holds as well so Burn would definitely be the best off given the status of her mom and Joey and Cereal would be in the soykaf tier. Though admittedly the kids are pretty leet and in 2020 there is a lot more information about the subject out there so what they would be using is up for debate. As for social media that's a toss up, again they're kids and a few of them are made out to be in the popular crowd. I can definitely see them using twitter.

>if %movie_name% took place in %current_year% what products would be advertised on screen? Pfft, it's like you've lost two decades of haxploitation fiction novels, movies and tv series. The whole plot looks ridiculous even for 1995, this is the main reason why the movie was ridiculed. The representation and technical side of the movie is decent for 1995, but not the plot. It all spins around Margo's three-character passphrase the sysadmin, The Plague didn't even bother to forcibly change! You can not even come up with such soykaf today, even Wargames has more plausible computer intrusion scenes than whatever you all here imagined.

>>33584 >even Wargames has more plausible computer intrusion scenes than whatever you all here imagined. Aside from brute forcing a backdoor and finding a machine with nukes hooked up to a phone line with a soykaf password all the computer intrusion scenes in that movie were extremely plausible for the era. Really it was the best hacking in a major motion picture that I can recall until matrix when trinity uses nmap and a real life ssh bug. Maybe even better than that since that was lucky as soykaf.

>>33584 you're taking a movie too seriously i think

>>33584 >It all spins around Margo's three-character passphrase the sysadmin, The Plague didn't even bother to forcibly change! Plague intentionally got Margo to use that password to make it easy for an amateur hacker to get in, so that they could use said hacker as a scapegoat for their Da Vinci plan. I thought the movie made that pretty clear, honestly.

>>33598 Alright this is some next level thinking

This is relevant: https://hackerscurator.com/pages/tech.html

>>33598 The more even better: The Plague is the real hero in the movie. He singlehandedly infiltrates a corporation and manages to steal it's money with a safety measure. The silly kids are the ones helping corporation, a resource extracting corporation. A single oil spill from one tanker would not make as much damage as this corporation have already done and will do by extracting resources worldwide. Plague's trick might stop it's operations forever. It pretty much decimates the whole "hacker" culture: first they LARP as cool libertarians/communists, but in the end go working for corporations and governments enforcing totality.

>>33628 That page contains so much javascript, my computer died from digital AIDS.

>>33628 nice website dude

>>33630 Even though I posted the link, I completely agree. Which is a shame considering it's a pretty nice project for this film.

They'd all be hipsters with macbooks, sipping latte, eating avocado toast, "hacking" javascript, complaining about {container, web, cloud} framework de-jour, and "exploiting" their users' data. you know I'm right

>>33651 Sad but true

>>33651 While a lulzworthy bit of cynicism about our times, it's not as if the whole 1337 h4x0r thing was really the norm back then either.

Same as before. Broke as hell foreigners in mud shacks script kiddying it up

>>33678 Hollywood has devolved....

>>33192 >then maybe Gentoo? idk why people still think that gentoo is secure hackers distro only cuz it has diy installation. other than that it's total bloat, especially portage that is written in python

The OP said 'would', not 'should'. Both conversations are fun but I think the pessimists seem more likely if it were a Hollywood film. You might be able to get our wishes if it were a television streaming service exclusive like Mr. Robot (never seen it) where you might get Kali on a Thinkpad instead of cheesy fake OS, or hipster Apple product placement. 2020 as chaos god year prediction: cli Arch tmux with a unixporn ricing and decorative Matrix-text terminal on laptops with irc or xmpp comms (borrowed from a random member of the film crew, editors failed to realize account is 'lain@lolibox'). Kali + Discord on home PC, fukk you.

>>34159 Portage is what allows you to have as minimal of an install as possible. Although I wish Portage was written in C or something. Calculating the dependency tree shouldn't take that long.

It sounds like there's not much more to discuss with computers so what sort of watches and clothes would Hackers be wearing?

>>33678 >While a lulzworthy bit of cynicism about our times, it's not as if the whole 1337 h4x0r thing was really the norm back then either. What do you mean by "the norm"? It was the norm for kids that age who were into computers at the time. The barrier to entry was fairly low and the talent pool in places like NYC was pretty deep so you might have one pro ass kid in a high school who was trained by his engineer parents who would eventually know and share information with all the other hackers in the school.

>>34289 NYC isn't representative of the rest of the world, and while difficulty of access to computers limited where they'd be found back then (and even then, it didn't play out the same in the East), now it's a tad different. Another important part though is the rebel/punk ethos present in the hacking scene which makes the Starbucks richkid poseurs less likely as well.

>>34286 This is a really good question. They were all wearing hyperfashionable young adult clothing with a touch of 90s anime/cyberpunk thrown in. Some of it was a bit hard to believe like jolie/kate/burn is going to have a thousand dollar set of motorcycle wear because her mutually disinterested boyfriend has a motorcycle. Some hackers really into alt/goth/etc scenewear but a lot of them had horrible fashion and a lot of the scene folks still did it up cringy as hell too. Anime shirts, con shirts, the classic flames button up. At best you might get these guys to wear a band shirt but their hair will be fuarrrked, pimples, weird trench coats, neckbeards, etc. I don't know how much he was kidding but one guy wore a lot of con shirts and he told me he liked to use them as catch rags so they'd build up pheromones and attract women. ====================> If I were in charge of remaking hackers today. Joey would either be aforementioned neckbeard fashion. It would be a wrinkled band shirt either some really niche metal with good art or some really generic "classic" corporate sell outs like Metallica. A totally cringe "I read your email" shirt would be good too. If they wanted to go in another direction he could be dressed in cheap pleated slacks (Optionally highwaters), golf shirt (Cheap, wrinkled) or plaid button up, new balance. Like middle aged dad clothes. "aka my mom dresses me" I'm gonna include pics here because we're all naturally very concerned about ultimate-form Angelina Jolie's wardrobe. Kate/Jolie/Burn would be almost the same. A modern version of her Suzuki motorcycle outfit. Alternative to: https://www.film.ru/sites/default/files/movies/frames/Hackers-02.jpeg https://angiesrainbow.com/site/images/filmographie/hackers/hackers22.jpg Any gucci/urban outfitters shirt that wasn't totally form fitting anywhere except for her free swinging tits. This shirt can stay the same. I feel like they're establishing her as a bit of a tomboy/not like the other girls and hockey jersies are the same as in 1995. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/07/c7/65/07c7652bb91f05152124a534d4dcaeff.jpg This might be an even plainer version of itself with less slack in the upper arms or a white long sleeve fashion leotard with any sort of pants that look right as long as her ass looks great in them. I could also see them dressing her up in a tight flat dark version of what's there like elizabeth holmes if she wasn't a basic bitch trying to look like a 50 year old steve jobs. I would say black but it would hide her figure and take away from that scene and this >>33633 one. https://productplacementblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Quiksilver-Blue-T-Shirt-with-Turtleneck-Worn-By-Angelina-Jolie-in-Hackers-4-800x450.jpg This could be any modern surfing clothes or stuff that hot girls wear to the gym. It could be whatever vaporwave version of itself they're selling down at urban outfitters. Phantom Phreak is the most conically fashion aware member of the whole group. The other ones are supposed to be cool without trying but they admit to effort on his part. He's actively concerned about the way people dress around him. https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/ramon-sanchez-phantom-phreak.html He's definitely Versace https://www.versace.com/international/en/men/clothing/shirts/barocco-acanthus-print-silk-shirt-a7027/A84050-A235781_A7027.html https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=versace+mens+shirt&iax=images&ia=images Without a doubt. Fashion forward and unafraid to be garish. Cereal Killer/Emmanuel Goldstein: https://misantropey.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/hackers2.png http://www.manonizer.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/hackers_matthew_lillard-720x406.jpg I don't think his alternative look would fly in a hackers movie today. Sure young fans of stone temple pilots still dress that way the same way that jefferson airplane fans in the 90s might have dressed like a hippy from the 60s. I feel like he should be still big into rock music he talked about Hendrix, Joplin, and Ozzy which is a nice mix. He wasn't afraid to wear girl stuff like pigtails or crop tops like alternative stars of the day: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCULX9xUAAA4exK.jpg But he probably wasn't gay. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c8/c4/d2/c8c4d26aea8b40ccb5f866a73d037626.jpg A little hipster, a little punk, a little androgynous Alright well this is all a lot more work than it will probably feel like but I'm having fun. I'll do the rest of the characters later.

Sorry this part was missing a picture. >>34296 >This shirt can stay the same. I feel like they're establishing her as a bit of a tomboy/not like the other girls and hockey jersies are the same as in 1995. https://productplacementblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/New-Jersey-Devils-T-Shirt-Worn-by-Angelina-Jolie-in-Hackers-1.jpg

>>34295 >NYC isn't representative of the rest of the world, Yeah but the movie was in NYC and there were tons of 718 hackers. There might have been more written about NYNEX than any other baby bell. > it didn't play out the same in the East The east except for New York, Philadelphia(Pumpcon, bernie S, Professor, ladyada), Boston (MIT, L0pht including mudge), and Baltimore(I really don't remember but you get the idea)?

>>34296 >band shirt, weird trench coats, neckbeards, etc. band shirts are average clothing for average lead or senior programmer. trench coat is skid-tier. >>33192 >As I mentioned I think they'd be running OpenBSD, Gentoo, GrapheneOS as far as operating systems. Maybe a lot of "raspberry pi" advertising too if sponsored but at least they'd probably be using arch/gentoo/devuan linux arm. >>33238 slack is the epitome of "software engineer" discord is fine as long as they're pwning it and not consumed with it, it'd also be the weak link to make the normal person viewers feel at home or at least have anything to identify and connect with the rest of the film.

>>34299 >band shirts are average clothing for average lead or senior programmer. trench coat is skid-tier. Yeah and these days his band shirt is gonna fit right, his hair will be neat long or short, he's working out, his facial hair is groomed and his jeans cost $80-$180 But you should have seen that fuarrrker when he was 15. > trench coat is skid-tier. It is now but prior to columbine a lot of teenage hackers were rocking that soykaf. It was practically a uniform.

>>34298 By the East I meant Eastern Europe.

>>34300 > 80$+ jeans Why in the world would one spend so much on pants which aren't even more comfortable than the cheaper models of the same thing? You could buy 3 more band shirts if you bought cheap jeans.

>>34303 I have odd sizes and I always scout cheap places to buy jeans, ross, grocery stores, etc. They will sometimes have a nice looking pair that fits me well but it's rare. Maybe 1 in 5 and they'll have one or two pairs maybe. Once I found some that were perfect for about $10 a pair on sale. I bought all of them and wore them for years. It's gotten much harder since skinny jeans became so popular. So believe me I love being cheap but I can walk into the buckle or diesel or something and be assured they have several different kinds that fit me great. I have more money nowdays so I buy them. At work everyone wears jeans and t-shirts, maybe jeans and a button up. Many of them wear nothing but designer stuff and couldn't have paid under $1200 between shirt, pants, shoes, and a belt. The difference? A racing stripe down the side of their jeans or good stitching and a gloss finish on their belt leather. Shoes that say raf simmons on the side. It seems dumb but it comes with status and everyone is making like 150k at least so.

>>34310 It does seem dumb for the designer stuff (unusual sizes is an okay reason). Wouldn't one be better off using that money for more interesting things? Like servers?

>>34302 >By the East I meant Eastern Europe. That makes way more sense, apologies. >>34311 >Wouldn't one be better off using that money for more interesting things? Like servers? Welll maaybe. Here used servers are cheap enough on craigslist that I've often wondered how much money someone would make scooping them up and putting them on ebay. I'm sure people do. Plus they give us some money for personal projects and we can just spin up ec2 nodes at work for some personal things(depending). Plus some of these guys are pretty burned out so they might rather play with their kids than anything. But servers aside I get what you mean. Clothes don't have much utility. Some of them rice their clothes and their office and stuff like you might rice a desktop, it's all color coordinated and has lots of unique touches. I make a sport of being cheap and didn't always have as much as I do now. Believe me if you saw my apartment you wouldn't think I make much. But even if something is a dumb purchase and I want it I can just buy it. I only need so many servers I guess after awhile it becomes rarer and rarer to find things that you need or want so if there is something you want you get it even if it's a poor value. I think it's especially true for people who spent awhile living cheap by necessity. It kills me how many people on lainchan are struggling and clearly capable of working at any tech company in the US making stupid money. I know how it happens some of you have mental illnesses or don't see how. I spent a decade making way less than I should have and all the people that I left behind are still there getting fuarrrked.>>34311

Isn't the Mr. Robot group from season 1 I haven't seen the other seasons basically "Hackers in 2020"?

>>34474 That'd be my take on it.

>>34350 >I think it's especially true for people who spent awhile living cheap by necessity. Yeah, experience living that way tends to lead to the same kind of asceticism continuing or nouveau-riche behavior. >Plus some of these guys are pretty burned out >I know how it happens some of you have mental illnesses That's one of the reasons I'm not particularly interested in going into big-money high-stress work. I've got enough screws loose already without adding burnout on top. >clearly capable of working at any tech company in the US making stupid money I wonder really. Impostor syndrome hits hard so it's difficult to know just how skilled or lame one actually is. I wouldn't however try going to USA due to its... many life-threatening problems in comparison to a lot of other places.

>>34485 >I wonder really. Impostor syndrome hits hard so it's difficult to know just how skilled or lame one actually is. I wouldn't however try going to USA due to its... many life-threatening problems in comparison to a lot of other places. Well yeah but you could work at a high paying company anywhere. The USA is fuarrrked up right now, don't come here. I have no arguments for the stress other than you might find it exciting and fresh for a couple of years. You get treated in ways that you don't at most lower paying jobs. If you start getting sick of it you can always drop back into a more normal workplace except they'll treat you much better. So many IT shops have never met anyone who worked IT at a top company let alone hired one, people tend not to exit that ecosystem when they enter, so that's some testament to how much better it is. If went back to my old life I'd be revered as a god. My old boss used to listen to so many silicon valley podcasts listening to these guys huffing their own farts like it was gospel. The irony is that the place operated nothing close to the kinds of places his idols would run and is in fact a smouldering dumpster waiting for some to throw out a bottle of hairspray. The pay would be soykaf but I'd have a lot of savings, I could buy a house cash. Going back to a place like that wouldn't be the same life. Personally it's my goal to find a way to stop working or get enough management clout that I can get a upper managerial position at a medium sized non-tech company in where everyone is clueless and there will be no way to hold me accountable to soykaf. I knew a guy like this who was practically useless, never at the office, got everything from his car to lunch paid for, didn't pay attention to important projects, had no idea what the hell was going on. But somehow he gets to be in charge of everyone and the highest paid person in the department. He was also not real bright, he thought linux must be soykafty because it's free. I pressed him on this and he elaborated that he felt there was no way he could get support for it if something was wrong. So you can tell he took continuing education really seriously too. Yeah I can do a better job than that with barely any effort. Either that or I got a startup project going that has some good indicators of success. I enjoy working on that more than corporate projects and admittedly I would not have had the knowledge to run or design such a project dependably or keep the operational expenses so low without my time in megacorp America. I'd be happy doing that for awhile at least if I could quit my day job, if I get tired of it I could sell it and stop working. I get impostor syndrome bad too, it gets easier when you see your co-workers struggle and help them out sometimes and remember those moments. In general the people here are smarter than the people I work with (and they're all smart). Some of the people I work with are ultra smart but it's wasted on the work they do. Some exceptions here definitely are not smart and have an inflated view of their skills for running masochist linux distros and using TOR. Lmao I wanna say names so bad but I'll refrain.

>>34302 Eastern Europe "hackers" consisted of tech uni students with cheap Internet access and campus LANs in their dormitories who used credit card number generators to order international shipping for various stuff off e-stores on westerner's behalf. Then they were visited by local KGB who told them "ganbatte minnasan" and kindly offered a position of government-employed keyboard warrior. It' doesn't sound as cool as ideologically-motivated western hippy hackers to make a movie out of. There's actually one Eastern haxploitation movie I know, it's made in Russia and is about your ordinary commieblock hacker who defaces Microsoft's homepage in his spare time between playing Counter Strike and chatting with pals on IRC, he is then being hunted by Microsoft-hired FSB agents, mafia and American hacker girl. It's a lighthearted postmodern comedy with cyberpunk philosophy elements and is loosely based on old 1930's Soviet children's story about lamp genie. In this particular story the MC finds genie when he orders the lamp from Sotheby's after his gf scolds him for living in a dump and not having even such basic item as tea kettle (he jokingly mistakes the lamp for a kettle when showing her a listing webpage). The genie acts as a deus ex machina most of the time, which is reminiscent of 1970's Soviet children comedy films. Actually, just checked: the film itself is based on a book published in 2000, therefore it's essence lies somewhere in the Russian 90's, along with Viktor Pelevin's works. Come on, this film is listed on nmap's page, it must be good, rite? :))) https://nmap.org/movies/#khottabych >>34296 If we'd describe what your average high school kid would wear in a movie, they sure would wear limited production designer fashionwear, such as the socker team jersey worn by Burn's boyfriend which was around $5000 at the time I became curious about it and decided to look up forums and ebay offers.

The latest OpenBSD release reminded me of this thread.

If this movie took place in 2020 it would be a group of skids who think they're gods because they took a full stack dev bootcamp and can use Cobalt Strike. Then the one guy who knows what he's doing is this 40+ year old dude who grew up in the Cult of the Dead Cow etc. and just plays them for fools. AKA the current state of the netsec """"field"""" Not to get off topic here but the only movie where I've seen hacking done in a way that is not completely tacky is the Daniel Craig "Girl With The Dragon Tattoo." You get the entire attack chain in a well done series of events. >recon of the guy's apartment building (probably after locating him/the building via osint research) >recon of networking device >development/weaponization of rogue device >initial access >pivot to target endpoint >drop a RAT >????? >PROFIT!!! Also you can tell that the trust between her and her hacker friend has been built over years of jobs together, probably even went to school or something. There's none of this bullshit like "It's cool, they're with me." No, it's not fuarrrkin cool. If someone said something like that to me after bringing in some new dick I've never seen....holy soykaf.

>>35346 Whatcha think of Mr. Robot? That seems to have realistic tools and penetration processes.