Why do many beginners dislike linux so much

Linux why do people dislike it and call it a nightmare? Its not all that bad from our experience right?

because it requires you to think a little and there's no easy built-in way to order taco bell

i suppose its because a lot of beginners come at it and try to use it like windows

Lack of command line experience.

>>32707 >beginners It's not only beginners who dislike Linux, many so-called "power users" also do, and rightfully so if you ask me. I love it with all my heart myself, but also hate it with all my soul.

>>32707 Its actually just a meme based on real problems 2 decades ago. Today you can use a Ubuntu without help. I think the biggest issue is being willing and able to make the switch inasmuchas A normal human bieng isn't able to download and create OS install media, and boot the computer from OS install media. Outside of that, humans generally understand how to use Libreoffice, VLC, Firefox and GNOME or KDE. Same wireless systray icons, same sound systray. Its not particularly difficult. My non-technical wife uses Linux daily - Fedora.

>>32710 >>32712 Very well said. Apart from being forced to think, it also gives you nearly all the responsibility. Notice how the 'easy' distributions (eg. Ubuntu, Mint) don't force you to think or be responsible as much as the 'hard' distributions (eg. Arch, Gentoo) do. It's because those 'easy' distributions are built for everything, for every case they can handle, without requiring you to know anything about how computers work at all. All the hardware, all the possible networking, all that other stuff.. I have two other fairly important points of view, some stranger on the internet and my own sister; the stranger said that he tried to teach his family Linux but after some while he gave up because "I have learned that some people just don't have the capacity to learn." My sister agreed somewhat: "I think that Linux is for the people who like computers and who like to learn about them and stuff.." (I let her use Manjaro before her Windows license arrived :/). The reason why we have a good experience with it is because we know something, the basics at the very least, and perhaps we even want to learn more. We don't like it when our system does something we didn't tell it to do, when something breaks out of the blue and we don't know how to fix it, when there's redundant and mostly useless stuff on our computer, et cetera. My experience with Gentoo is that stuff breaks often but you're nearly always sure why and you know how to fix it (several kernel panics; portage problems; networking issues; unwanted and unnecessary but seemingly important bloat -- all of this I was able to take care of within a short span of time). While this is a good thing from our point of view, it is bad from someone else's -- when something breaks, it's you who is required to fix it, you are given the responsibility. You could attempt to restart the computer and hope that things will be better, but they won't be. When it comes to systems which are completely opaque to the user, ie. Windows, it's rarely you who breaks the system; the system usually breaks on its own but restarting it is often able to fix it (thus the "Have you tried restarting?" meme). When it comes to those 'easy' distributions, stuff will break on its own as well, that's nearly unavoidable, and yet restarting doesn't work as often as it does on Windows.. And why would that be? Another thing is that those people, the ones you're talking about, are not aware of the difference between Linux and Windows: they do in fact try to "come at it and try to use it like windows." They don't want to use the CLI -- I'm not sure why, perhaps they're intimidated by it --, they're not aware of how graphically customizable it is and say that it doesn't look as good as Windows (pic related), and that not enough software seems to support it -- here you could of course attempt and explain that there is more software on Linux than there is on Windows, citing your 'scripts' directory as an example, but they're talking about the very specific software they know from Windows: Microsoft's Office and games usually (and you can show them Libre Office and you can show them Proton but that doesn't cut it, does it?) -- and some other stuff, too. While I do respect the people who attempt to turn Windows users (with elementary knowledge) into Linux users, I also respect those users for not giving in. One day you will hopefully reach the OS Zen and realize that it doesn't matter. Until then, try looking at it from the opposite point of view: Why don't more experienced people use Windows or newbie friendly distributions? Because they want to know how their computers work, because they're able to fix stuff when it breaks, because they're aware of how customizable Linux is, because they know that CLI boils down to reading manuals and pressing tab (and because they know that looking for a feature by skimming through the flags, or searching for it with the slash key, can take a similar amount of time as looking for the feature in a GUI by hovering on every button they see) and so on and so forth. And the ultimate answer? Many reasons of various complexities and importances.

>>32707 Because it's easy to break stuff, and that was especially the case back in the day. I installed Ubuntu Mate on my flatmates laptop and he's completely replaced Windows with it. Not only does he actually find it easier to use than Windows nowadays due to the lack of bloat but he even managed to do some ricing on his own, and this is a guy who is borderline computer illiterate when it comes to anything that doesn't involve a webbrowser.

>>32725 your post reminds me of this meme

>>32725 The main problems I see with Linux are: >Distro fragmentation [1]There is hundreds of Linux distros out there. Not all of them are still being developed but the ones that are have large fragmentation issues. [2]Various DEs philosophies, target audiences, intended use/functionality, install methods, package manager and many more are out there. For installer files there are RPM, TGZ, DEB and some niche distros have their own. Each distro is different to another distro in someway, even if they're from the same family. >CLI over-reliance [2]If an app fails to start you have no notification, you have to run it in a terminal to see the error message. [2]You often has to use a CLI to configure basic things even though a GUI can make that task easier >Hardware support [3]Open source drivers can have severe problems, and it's not uncommon for them to preform worse than proprietary drivers. [3]Some hardware has unfinished or unstable drivers, WIFI cards/adapters, touch pads, and webcams in recent laptops either have little support or are unstable for Linux. >Other issues [2]Documentation varies on each distro and if the distro you're using has soykafty documentation, you have to look/ask around and hope someone else had the same issue as you and says how to fix it. [2]Linux has no proper antivirus (AV) for home PC use. Most Linux AVs out there are made for finding Windows viruses. There's no way to tell if anything you plan to install on a Linux system is infected with malware, or if known malware has infected your system unless you know what you're looking for. [2]No system restore, despite several ways of snapshots existing for a system. Sources: 1: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg 2: https://digdeeper.neocities.org/ghost/windows.html 3: http://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html Source 3's summary is why I think Linux will never before mainstream. It has too many issues and unless developers start to work together to fix them, Linux will only has ~10% market share at best. Personally I have tried to use Linux several times with several distros, but none of them worked without some kind of issue(s) that keep occurring even after working on them. The only reason I still use Windows is because I don't want to deal with the headache of computer maintenance constantly.

>>32732 Your answer is 100% the reason we need so many distros. What you seem to want in Linux is toxic to me. >No AV... What the actual fuarrrk? This sounds horrible to me. Real Time AV is commercially expensive, famously ineffective, and resource intensive. Meanwhile, the realistic odds of encountering the kind of untargeted attack with well known malware that an AV might stop are near zero on Linux. You probably just arn't familiar with the security tools that exist on Linux anyway : IDS like Snort, OSSEC, tripwire , tools like auditd can make discovering and preventing intrusions far more managable than any AV product on the market. >No system restore, despite several ways of snapshots existing for a system. I hate to break this too you, but a Linux system is just a collection of files on a disk. Reverting a snapshot is "system restore". Further, Linux systems have far more useful recovery options. You can work in a CHROOT from a live CD. Windows has a purposely maimed Windows RE without features like TCP/IP stack to prevent it from being used as a live CD. Further, Linux Internals are documented FAR better than Windows Internals. >Documentation varies on each distro and if the distro you're using has soykafty documentation, you have to look/ask around and hope someone else had the same issue as you and says how to fix it. Linux documentation is some of the best out there. At a vendor/ OS level, the Arch Wiki and RHEL provide legendary documentation. Red Hat publishes multiple free books on how to use its product in any configuration. Various vendor independent certifications exist that have documented use of Linux systems. You can actually read the source code. How much documentation do you need? >drivers This is a far enough criticism, but if you arn't a high end gamer, you will mostly be fine. I haven't had wireless issues on a Linux box for > 7 years. I am also not willing to run proprietary code , specially at a kernel level. I am sure some gamers are having fun with Chinese State Anti-cheat modules running kernel level though. >If an app fails to start you have no notification, you have to run it in a terminal to see the error message. VS what? Windows applications give cryptic error numbers or nothing. Your only option is to search the internet to see if anyone else has had the same problem. Linux apps can give detailed error information with human readable error codes. This has been famously this way for decades. People used to say "Windows 95 gives you a nice view of the clouds, so you can ignore all the error messages" Windows is actually inferior here too. If you wanted , you could change your desktop launches to redirect std error to a log file, and "Read the Logs" when you wanted to, but it would just waste space on your computer. Just run at the terminal. Linux logging is also way better than Windows generally. >You often has to use a CLI to configure basic things even though a GUI can make that task easier Again, VS what. Linux is configured by editing plaintext ascii files - which can be done via GUI. Windows is configured by a series of Opaque, mostly undocumented values in a centralized binary database. On Linux, you isolate configuration in config files, you can replicate them, archive them, and share them. Configuration is easy to automate. On Windows, what registry entries correspond to what config is unclear, and config is locked into a database that can support only a single machine. Configuration is generally done by running a program of some kind, often without CLI option, making it difficult to automate and archive. GUI constantly changes anyway. Windows configuration actually is like kicking dead whales down the beach. >Distro Fragmentation You don't actually even use Linux. You don't seem to really understand why it does things the way it does, and literally want to turn it into Windows with features like "Real time AV" and "Proprietary User Installed Drivers" . Believe it or not, people have different design goals, and the open source nature of Linux is what enables it to be customized to fit various needs. Honestly, what you need is to read a book on Linux, a book on Windows, and someone to write a GUI like YAST for you. Check out OpenSuse.

It makes using the thing harder, which for anyone who needs their pc for basic tasks, which is a lot of people, means it's a problem and not a solution.

>>32734 >Linux documentation is some of the best out there. >At a vendor/ OS level, the Arch Wiki and RHEL provide legendary documentation. I think that was his point, sometimes there's excellent documentation, sometimes you're even lucky there's a forum. Sometimes fixes are as easy as "sudo apt install package" or equivalent, but sometimes they require some compiling and extra configuring depending on the distro. I kinda agree with that, but would go even further: fragmentation in general is one of Linux biggest flaws despite also being, undeniably, its biggest strength. Tipping point for me was when a long time ago they decided Qt libraries weren't cool anymore and so wasn't KDE, so they started to develop the GTK "free" (as in freedom!) libraries and eventually Gnome, then later XFCE and many many others way after that. This "freedom" only added several layers of complexity when you need help or support of any kind, there's no single way of doing/fixing things, every desktop/system has its different and unique perks/issues/or even workflow and you have to know about them all beforehand or worse, learn the hard way. Searching for "how to do X" in any Linux desktop system it's only gotten exponentially worse over the years, every time I try to use any available Linux desktop I end up suffering from death from a thousand papercuts, so hard I want to give up and go back to windows or, god forgive me, osx, but I usually just say fuarrrk it and go either full on text/CLI mode or use "minimalistic" tiling wm which only aggravates the problem further. And I could also mention the whole systemd fiasco but I'm not going to, you should get the idea where I'm going with this.

>>32729 Actually windows is the bottom one. There's really not that much focus on 'games' in mac/unix.

>>32753 Everyone I've seen use OSX can't do soykaf when it comes to fixing PC problems. I dislike Windows but I give credit when it's due.

>>32737 >but sometimes they require some compiling and extra configuring depending on the distro. Thing is, at least you can do it. Linux might make some things that are simple in windows harder, depending on your choice of distro, but you rarely run into actual brick walls. This is actually the thing that made me stop using windows as my main OS. I was sick of having to work around Microsoft's decisions for how I should use my PC, preferring to decide for myself how things should be set up.

Becos reeding is hard!

>>32755 That's because you live in US and a lot of people just happen to use OSX. >fixing PC Not everyone is as good as you or the average ifixit joe. >Windows Actually the thing is everyone I've seen use Windows are always infected with some kind of virus from sharing pen-drives or using outdated browsers.

>>32771 Freedom Control Rice easily And feels like home

>>32771 >What's the point of Linux today? Did I miss the news that I can run Emacs without a kernel?

>>32780 Big corporations are evidently just as vulnerable going by the fact that ones like Google are falling for the exact same ideology anyway. This type of identity politics is a way for certain types to climb the ladder and it works in most environments including corporate ones.

>>32780 >Corporations on the other hand don't depend on particular people. They can't be suddenly womaccused and canceled. They are rich, powerful and have an army of lawyers and public relations officers. Yet they still force the diversity bullshit, have quota women, quota gays and quota niggers, who fuarrrk up the code if they are developers and fuarrrk up the whole product if they are managers.

>>32783 Edgy

>>32788 Very quirky

>>32783 Most quota hires are perfectly competent as many of the forces that make them harder to come by also mean those that do get through are more determined and for those that aren't they just join the legion of the millions of chair warmers that make up the office workforce. Unable to actually do any harm. They aren't just picking up people off the street with no credentials to fill the quotas. Its the difference between a good and a great candidate, a hit to productivity but they're not inherently stupid.

package management is fragmented and idiotic. I get it, the way GNOO$Loonix does it is cleaner and provides less "bloat" but it's still idiotic. It's [current year] still there is no STANDARD click > install or drag > install type procedure for Linux. Flatpaks are a start but fuarrrk is this the best the UNFETTERED SOVTWARE GOMMUNIDY can come up with? Used only Loonigs for many many years but it's still soykaf. Sorry, no, I don't only browse the Internet and sit in the terminal all day as I "rice" my desktop for other boring no-lives to see on r/unixporn. The greatest enemy of free software is the free software community.

>>32707 Do you really want to use a computer, lain? Do you want to use a text editor? Of course not. The fact that you think you do is the triumph of freetardism over common sense. Now, maybe if you are a confirmed neckbeard, or a computer programmer, sure you love using text editors, it's the most you'll ever want in your life, but not the rest of us. We want to get on with our lives outside of computer. I don't want to use a computer. I don't want to edit config files. I want to write a beautiful zine, design a little trinket or even a whole house, or play a pirated game. I don't want to use a computer, I want to accomplish something. I want to do something meaningful to me. Not "minimalist suckless software with less than 200 LOC", not some bizarre complex computer program that does more than I ever want to know about and yet doesn't really do exactly what I need cough~ffmpeg~cough . I want computing that fits my activities. I want the technology hidden away, out of sight. Like electric motor in my blender. Like the computers that control my car. For now, the most popular Linux software doesn't even let me choose save location for screenshots: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=699642

The real problems with Linux begin at the middle to advanced use cases. For example, getting a ViewSonic monitor to display at 144hz. No distro had a simple solution, you can manually edit the EDID, and even then it doesn't always work due to other, deeper conflicts. As bloated and soykafty as Windows 7 is, it handles most things like this out of the box, which is why I still do most work on it. Linux distros simply lack "obscure" hardware and software compatibility, which can amount to more trouble than it's worth to rep that "FLOSS" cred.

>>32707 because of arch users calling people stupid for not wanting to go through a digital abortion to install their distro thing is, ubuntu and mint are stupid easy, my mother uses ubuntu, generally i think ive used command line for her twice, and she is very tech illiterate so i probs end up fixing awful bugs on windows more when she used it. thing is, when people look up linux they see people with non gui DE's and arch users talking about arch and having a tech illiterate person see anything about arch is going to scare them from ever installing linux >>32725 its just a matter of getting used to it my mother as mentioned before uses ubuntu right she hasnt used ms office in a long time until recently when at her job she had to use it, she already got used to libre and found ms office intimidating its just that most people are used to the abortion that is windows, when something like ubuntu(even with unity) can be just as easy to use if not easier i dont think my mother has experienced a crash in 6(?) years of use, i dont think i can say the same about the time she used windows lol

It's memes and the monkey ladder experiment. People get told X is hard cause everyone said is hard for a decade. They go in with a negative mindset. I thank god every time i think about how i started coding at 12 with c++ and didn't listen to the academic propaganda of X is bad, Y is too difficult. People get indoctrinated into opinions same way it happens in the church without even noticing it happening.

>>32808 How many monitors do you know that support 120+Hz but don't have it hardcoded in their EDID? >inb4 muh "overclock" to get 10 more Hz If you have X11: cvt 1920 1080 144 xrandr --newmode "1920x1080_144.00" 452.50 1920 2088 2296 2672 1080 1083 1088 1177 -hsync +vsync xrandr --addmode VGA-1 1920x1080_144.00 replace VGA-1 with your connector DRM-KMS lets you set custom modelines as well. Not sure about Wayland, I actually couldn't figure out how to set modeline in Fedora 32 and not even sure what stack it's using, but on Gentoo with X11 without all the gnomeshit it's easy as the commands above. >As bloated and soykafty as Windows 7 is, it handles most things like this out of the box It really doesn't. You still have to use CRU and that ghetto soykaf to reset the driver after which crashes this and that programs you have open. Then there's the AMD control panel which can set modelines among other important things, the worst piece of horse soykaf ever conceived. It takes about 30 seconds to click any button in its menu. But that's if it even opens. Usually it breaks after less than a month and you have to do a bunch of reinstalls and reomve random .NET framework soykaf and enable Windows Aero, and then after fixing it, some game is broken and it needs a bunch of workarounds as well. Nvidia control panel is also quite soykaf.

>>33220 OH NO NO NO you had a sane post until you mentioned C++ C++ is one of the few things in computing that is actually hard despite all the "X is hard" memes wiggers will be wiggers

>>32804 >The greatest enemy of free software is the free software community. Very well said. Open source founders to be removed, GNU founder to be removed, your long time contributors be gone (Icaza), your long time popularizers to admit there are huge problems within the community itself. That's all are symptoms of being ill. Also this: >>32807 Linux desktop developers lead Linux to nowhere. They think high of themselves and ignore user feedback. Canonical, Gnome, KDE, Redhat. Open source community is highly corporatized and Linux software is being attacked by people who never ever used Linux. We have AppImage, but surely it was necessary to also implement Flatpack and Snap being objectively worse, slow and broken but still push them hard on users just for the sake of being "my own implementation". That's the mindset that was driving Linux for the last 10 years. There is nothing good in such mindset - fragmentation may have its pros, but not unnecessary and harmful fragmentation that affects the very core of your usability and interaction with the system. When too much is too much? I was told to write my own screenshot tool when I complained, so I did, without any knowledge of how to do it. I learned a lot, but if it wasn't for me struggling to improve at programming I would just got back to using Windows. Through it improved a lot, still in Gnome it does not even work correctly because Gnome can't work with modal windows over a fullscreen window by design, and in KDE it just randomly loses focus which is not fixable from my side since it's a random bug. Not that I claim my software is not retarded or is better - it is just as retarded, it has retarded design because I couldn't implement anything better at a time, but I have neither a stable framework nor any desire to dig through that to make it better. And I would guess many developers share that mindset. Yes, Linux is used by many developers, but they don't work on the desktop itself, they work on networking tools or web, they work in electron apps, they use electron-based chats, they work on servers, they rarely even touch desktop as is, their entire operating system is a browser firmware, and even if they make some own software it is also a browser firmware - a reddit app, a web manga reader, et cetera. How would you expect users to use a system if you can't even get your developers to work on it? How can all hopes go to Gnome or KDE teams both of which just keep doing things nobody actually wants and putting things everyone wants, basic usability and functionality, at the very bottom, because they are too hard? Fanboys who claim Linux is only "for us, smarties" are delusional and are a part of the reason why I started to dislike FOSS community so much in the last few years. Posted from my certified Linux machine btw.

>>33227 And here we have live specimen in the wild. Victim to the memes he believes c++ is hard. If a 12year old kid can learn it with a make your first game book it can't be hard. Especially pointers are difficult is an absolute meme. They are fuarrrking convenient.

>>32707 Because it doesn't come pre-installed on their computers. That's it, that's literally it. Windows has an unfair advantage to other operating systems because it's been the default for pre-built PCs for more than 20 years now, and as such, everyone is used to it.

>>33230 >Fanboys who claim Linux is only "for us, smarties" are delusional and are a part of the reason why I started to dislike FOSS community so much in the last few years It's unbelievable, the amount of self-absorbed people ITT who believe that the unwillingness to deal with the unintuitive arcane horseshit of a certain type of OS automatically puts you into some lower caste of peon.

>>33251 Both is true. There's unnecessary bullshit wasting everyone's time and the people defending it are basically nolivers deriving self-worth from having exclusivity but also being unable to handle bullshit makes you a peon because wherever you go you need to handle some degree of bullshit to get ahead. It's precisely the willingness to do what others won't that allows you to get ahead.

>>33253 Oh and while at it should also mention there's also a degree of people who intentionally create hurdles to create exclusivity for themselves. Spaghetti code is not always an accident, it's also how many create job security for themself.

>>32707 I'll tell you the exact reason right away: beginners are young, and young people want to be special and rebellious. That's the sole reason why anyone who is not required to use Linux for work gives a soykaf about Linux. But Linux takes a nonzero amount of effort to use, and there are older versions of Windows. The rebellious mind then decides that Linux is for crazy radical people who have missed the sane opposition mark, and that the "real deal" is something like Windows 7. They proceed to sit squarely in the correct spot between the schizo extremists and the mindless sheeple, and loudly slap a COOL GUY label on their very smart foreheads. >>32732 >>32734 I have no idea what's wrong with too many distros. It's good to have an ecosystem. Things will die on their own if they're not worked on. In a way this is a very natural - in the Darwinian sense of the word - way of developing software.

>>33234 ah yes, I love C++ because I love when I audit code and each time I look at the next line of code there is a new thing I need to study and figure out the semantics of (and i especially love how deriving semantics of any construct or even library in C and C++ is exponentially harder than in real languages) what bullshit beginner-tier red herring is this soykaf about pointers? pointers are a basic computer concept. are you 13 now?

>>32737 >sudo any distro that makes you do this is not even a real OS. imagine being so cargo cult you type you prefix half your commands with cargo cult and subsequently type your password for no reason. this is THE problem with UN*X and the entire hacker community btw, they are a bunch of pretentious charlatans. and it's not even hard to figure out. people who have programmed or have done anything slightly more than sysadmin stuff for only a year come to this OS and instantly NOPE

>>33256 The most popular languages don't even have pointers and people complain about it constantly with C/C++. Nice larp glitterboy.

>>33257 You can make sudo last longer or forever, log in as root etc. it's not like you can't customize it according to your needs

>>32710 Some distros are probably easier to install and use than Windows. Like Ubuntu, but hey it wasn't even a decade ago that I bought a new Samsung laptop and it the video didn't work until I did some Linux soykaf. I think the way things are going to play out arm laptops will start getting popular and everyone will settle on Android which is like kicking dead whales down the beach but from a grandma's PoV: https://www.collaboraoffice.com/collabora-office-android-ios-release-notes/ That's really pretty nice on a $50-$200 dollar laptop. The nice thing for us is that there will no doubt be a huge pool of users who run a few linux distros on a few devices at least and as that budget user pool grows we'll start to see demand for more powerful armbooks as folks will pay for better soykaf. I think we'll see better efforts to run android and linux concurrently as well. Maybe well supported GPUs. Once these things are good enough we'll see ones offering linux as an option and then we'll see demand for workstation grade products which will be so dope.

>>33275 >and people complain about it constantly with C/C++. yes it's called being a new user. and another new user thing is complaining about people who don't understand pointers stop killing the LARP meme you fuarrrking fool. algorithm implementation in fuarrrking algo makes use of pointers. go has pointers. C# has pointers. haskell has ref. SML has what is essentially pointers. every fuarrrking imperative language uses pointers because that's how large amounts of imperative algorithms are implemented. you're not smart or special for understanding pointers. >>33276 or just not have sudo at all, which is the proper way to use UN*X

>>33279 This is tiresome, did i write its really hard? No. I wrote it's not hard but "it's hard" is the negative perception of it. And its not noobs telling it other noobs. Youtube bjarne or google any guide. Both tell its difficult. The educators tell the newcomers pointers are hard because some other people had issues. The whole thing was an example of how new people get a bias instilled before even trying it themselves. Which is what i think is happening with linux.

>>33226 I tried all manner of xrandr commands, with various suggested clock timings. I forget the exact error it threw, since it was over a year ago at this point, but Lubuntu and Ubuntu simply refused to recognize the mode, insisting it was invalid. Maybe I should have tried other distros? Oh well. I can get behind the idea of using proprietary software in moderation, while trying your best to avoid it without hamstringing one's options.

>>33280 The only thing hard about pointers and the languages that feature them is making secure software in a memory-unsafe language.

Because OpenBSD is more elegant. Disk encryption: wipe, fdisk, disklabel, bioctl (keydisk or passcode), then install---literally only a couple dozen questions. Reboot, use. Now you're an OpenBSD user. 🎼Don't forget to read the man-pages!

>>32734 The reason winblows needs antimalware is because there's too many ways for malware to get in. It's like if you have a party at your house, but you leave the door unlocked, there'll be slime that will crash the party. On the other hand, you should be able to control your computer fully, down to every last detail, including what comes in or what goes out. That means if you see something that's maybe slime, you can just say GTFO to it---or better not even open the door.

>>32707 I unironically started using Ubongo because of wobbly windows (and to a lesser extent, security concerns).

Because it is a huge learning curve than what they are used to if they have any tech experience at all. It's quite a bit different from Windows and most OSX users most likely don't even know what goes inside a computer to make it work.

>>32707 I don't call Linux a nightmare but as a beginner, I do avoid it, that's true I'm a Windows-user for now rather than a Linux user and reading through some of this thread has confirmed my suspicion: if you don't know how to program, you can't fix the problems you'll encounter when using Linux (and you will encounter problems when using Linux) which means you'll just suffer. I saw one guy talk about Proton as though that means Linux can play anything Windows can but the thing is, at this point in my life, there's very few games I want to play. One that I wanted to play was Tekken 7 but Proton wouldn't play Tekken 7 when I was on Linux Mint so this already hurts my confidence in Proton. Naturally, when I returned to Windows 7, this issue was resolved. Then, there's the fact that I'm using an AMD processor along with an Nvidia Graphics Card which I imagine just compounds upon my initial issue of being unable to fix problems when they arise. From my memory of discussions amongst those that are into console emulation, being someone who uses both an AMD processor and an Nvidia Graphics Card is abnormal. Most people either go AMD/ATI (although I believe ATI has been assimilated into AMD nowadays) or they go Intel/Nvidia. I believe the AMD/Nvidia people experience unique issues and it seems they would be alone with their issues since it seems, in the Linux community, people only put time into resolving their own issues.

>>32707 I also want to mention that I think culture plays a role as well. When I was taught how to use a computer as a child, I was taught how to do so on a Microsoft OS so I'm very familiar with how to use Windows. When I tried Linux Mint, immediately, I was thrust into using "sudo apt install" which is just so alien. It's quite clear that transitioning from Windows to Linux is not painless, even if something like Linux Mint exists. Ultimately, you have to sit down and read a book or watch a video about how to use Linux if you want to use it. Apparently, there was some group of people trying to expose children to Linux? I think that's all that's necessary, really. For the time being, I'll stick to what's comfortable. That's it.

>>32734 >drivers As a gamer I'd have to actually disagree here. I can run any game I own at a stable 1080p 60fps. Only proprietary software I have to run is the nvidia proprietary driver.

>>32707 On the other hand, I have seen the opposite. Lots of users have switched/tried nix based systems and it has somewhat become synonymous with coding there. It's also helped a lot by the fact that beginner friendly distros are quite popular now. Most people I know have/are using Ubuntu with few venturing beyond it. Of course, while doing standard stuff, it's perfectly possible to minimize the use of terminal and have a GUI friendly experience. It become heck when one goes towards other distros and encounters bash issues or sigh, dependency related issues when compiling from source.