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how do i escape the linixusm cancer? even on the bsds, everything uses d-bus, policy kit, consolekit and more outside my base install of openbsd i only have chrome installed and it still starts an instance of d-bus i don't want any of that gay soykaf on my OS

i use most of the stuff included in the base install of openbsd, outside wget it seems gentoo and void linux users had a way of removing d-bus from chromium without much ill effect, but information of it is very scarce

remove all executables, chromium only needs the library >>30377 openbsd's ftp(1) does almost everything you would use wget for

>>30379 ah, thought it was just a ftp client. i will have a look at the manual page, do you think it can fetch git repos as well? which executables do you refer to, d-bus?

>>30380 >do you think it can fetch git repos as well? not without some scripting, you sure can download tarballs though. can wget fetch git repos? >which executables do you refer to, d-bus? whatever bloat you consider there to be, you should know better than i

much better it would seem pulling in fluxbox the other day pulled in a lot of other bullshit as well, i have gutted it

>>30379 >openbsd's ftp(1) does almost everything you would use wget for absolute bloat

Switch to windows and never post here again

>>30376 whats so bad about these? (just curious)

>>30461 Not OP but I think I can answer. Let me start by pissing everyone off by establishing I generally use ubuntu. Once you learn basic plain ole unix like you might get with slackware there isn't really much to it. You can configure everything and you know what everything is doing. It's not a lot of work and it's solid. Sure it might be missing some useful or convenient features but it should be adequate for doing most of the things people do on a desktop and it's very easy to fix if you know how. Modern Linux systems are a clusterfuck. They're relatively easy to learn and use but you don't really know what's going on and soykaf can glitch out and it'll be a pain in the ass to fix. Good admins can use google to figure out what to do but it's still a pain and often involves some arcane string of commands that you'll never understand and you'd waste your time if you tried because it might be the only time you'll ever need them. I can specifically remember dbus fuarrrking up and that was my introduction to dbus. I looked at my boss and said "uhm dbus seems to be doing it, what's dbus?" none of us knew and so I learned about it later since it seemed important. Why do I run Ubuntu? Because I'm willing to give up my absolute control and understanding for a little convenience, most of it's weird problems have googable solutions. That said systemd has failed to grow on me and many of ubuntu's other features get replaced, uninstalled, or go unused. Sometimes it feels like suffering for the benefit of people who are too lazy to unix properly. It gets particularly frustrating when you want to configure something manually and the OS reacts poorly to someone being crazy enough to change configuration by modifying a configuration file or flips it's soykaf because the root user isn't named root and some chucklefuck built something critical on the assumption that root is named as such. Things like that just didn't happen. I used to remove root from all my systems but I don't dare now.

>>30486 >I'm willing to give up my absolute control and understanding for a little convenience Over the years Ubuntu has given me more trouble than any other distro. There's so much soykaf running that can and will go wrong. I don't even recommend it to begginers anymore after some file indexer daemon completely locked up my brothers pc whenever he plugged in an HDD. Meanwhile a minimal Linux install is rock solid and can be easily debugged when something does misbehave.

>>30376 >i don't want any of that gay soykaf on my OS Contribute to your non-linux system of choice then. If *BSD community can't maintain their system, no one will do this for them. Either you provide the alternative or die out, as simple as that.

>>30486 >It gets particularly frustrating when you want to configure something manually and the OS reacts poorly to someone being crazy enough to change configuration by modifying a configuration file Yes, this is extremely annoying. I hate Unix configuration files. I think the fact they all have their own special snowflake non-specified format is brain dead backwards, but I like that I can change a file to update what's going on rather than using some custom tool. When a program deliberately ignores or overrides configuration files I go insane. Ironically, a Windows example comes to mind. Firefox ignores the OS certs. Why? Why!

>>30491 This has been my experience as well. I think I'd probably recommend manjaro to a beginner over Ubuntu. Down side is manjaro doesn't have as big of a wiki/forum community but most soykaf just works the same as arch and their community is great.

>>30529 one distro that has never once worked for me and I've been working with *nix systems since the 90s

>>30555 Manjaro? I'm surprised, its been pretty stable for me. I will say it feels more like a well configured arch setup than an independent distro, so it largely depends on how much you like the arch way of doing things.

I want to try Guix since it solves a fair bit of these problems listed here, but it has a long ways to go.

>>30558 arch distros seem kind of redundant >>30563 try void if you MUST use Linux

Manjaro isn't the arch way if doing things it's the Ubuntu way of things

>>30565 >it's the Ubuntu way of things Thats a bit of a stretch. The packaging and release cycles are all almost exactly like arch because they're largely just arch packages with a few tweaks. Manjaro has far more in common with Arch than Ubuntu and quite honestly I can't imagine how you could think otherwise. Even the base install is quite a bit lighter and uses totally different default packages than Ubuntu (I assume that's what you're basing this comparison on... presence of a desktop environment and such? That's the only way I see them being at all similar, and even then they only have as much in common as any distro with a WM pre-installed). Don't get me wrong, I vastly prefer arch, I just said Ubuntu isn't my default "beginner distro" rec any more.

>outside my base install of openbsd i only have chrome installed and it still starts an instance of d-bus >i don't want any of that gay soykaf on my OS So in other words you don't need an OS, you just need a browser OS with a terminal? May be try ReactOS then or buy a Chromebook, but on a side note I would like to say the linuxism is "cancer" exactly because people can't appreciate unification and a complex system consisting of modules designed to work together, not the opposite.

>>30586 Could you elaborate. What could happen? Spyware?

Wait for RedoxOS

Go join #osdev and give us the solution

op here i have decided to build my own os from scratch going with the illumos kernel and will build ontop of that existing software simply does not fit my needs

>>30734 >going with the illumos kernel and will build ontop of that Make your own kernel, pussy

>>30665 Is it really what it's chalked up to be? >>30734 What are you planning to do and are you going to share or keep it as your personal obscure OS.

For me chrome is the only thing bringing Linux brain damage to my OpenBSD install. The modern web is too much of a cluster fuarrrk, even if you have a nice light weight browser with fewer deps, you will still need chrome or ff installed for the dozen or so unavoidable sites that don't render right or just give you a page telling you to update your browser. I use the base system where ever possible and select the handful of ports i use based largely on fewest dependencies. If it seems at all possible I'll try to just hack solutions together out of the base install. For example, my status bar is just xterm with the right geometry arguments running a looping shell script.

>>30376 uninstall dbus i dont have dbus, systemd, consolekit , policykit or /var/lib/dbus/machine-id on my system

>>30770 Use w3m

>>30734 > illumos kernel The Illumos userland is what makes it incredible, even when compared against the BSDs. Why only the kernel?

>>30376 install gentoo uninstall chrome

What about haikuOS? It seems much better that ROS outside of windows compatability.

>>30376 Alpine seems like the most based distro. it's trying to be binary compatible. i want a linux os with no gay package system at all. just a repo with binaries. i want them all to be stored in /usr/program_files/program_name/binary.bin no more stupid dependencies. boot the system with busybox and use the busybox utils. get rid of all this fragmentation within the system.

>>32129 >What about haikuOS? It seems much better that ROS outside of windows compatability. Not OP, but I recently checked out Haiku on a VM and it was pretty good - I was amazed by the consistency of the system, rich set of applications, artwork and the directory structure looked less like UNIX, specifically Linux (the kernel) garbage. But comparing Haiku to ReactOS is not fair - Windows is extremely bloated and reverse engineering just Windows Server 2003 is a massive task, whereas writing a BeOS clone is easier - unlike Windows, there seems to be a design behind the system and Windows comes with a load of legacy garbage, BeOS is free from. Or maybe ReactOS developers are just incompetent, I don't know. BeOS is probably better documented than Windows and reusing components from other systems like GNU helps. Surely Haiku is smaller, well designed and is already in beta.

>>32135 That's why i said outside of windows comparability. Since OP probably doesn't need that there is no reason for him to choose it.

Does anylain have experience with minexew's Shrine? Converts TOS into an efficient, networked, "secure" environment may have performance critical application, with a possible edge over linux clusters. What about a hosting client for a p2p network?

>>30376 Learn RISC OS Open, improve it.

>>30376 Use plan 9 or something

>>30376 I guess this should be the right thread as HyperbolaBSD is an effort to escape "linuxism". HyperbolaBSD seems kinda dead since 5 weeks: https://git.hyperbola.info:50100/hyperbolabsd/hyperbk.git/ Before, the developer was pushing commits daily, but this stopped, don't know why.

>>33574 BSD is a real misnomer, it's a linux according to its own site. Very misleading.

>>30734 >>30750 >>31186 Just use Tribblix.

>>30486 >most of it's weird problems have googable solutions Thats true. Last time I went to the doctor the doctor googled the symptoms and recomended soykaf from there. Most expensive google search which I have done ever

>>30734 God bless you OP! I bet in a week you will accomplish more than HURD

>>33799 >google results: free >knowing what to google: $5000