CRYPTO COIN GENERAL

Since my last crypto post stood the test of time and now it has hit the post limit lets continue here! Also I feel we are in a very similar time in the Bitcoin Cycle! - Not financial advice, but sub 10k BTC won't be available for long! Well I will kick off with my meta about Bitcoin and cryptos... Bitcoin is the Atomic Clock of value. That is its' unique position in all of the universe. It is the most assured thing with pure known amount. The safest store and most known unit of value available. (who knows how much gold is on earth let alone the solar-system). Bitcoin will represent ALL wealth in the universe. All other cryptos are BItcoins layer 2 solution.... Having chain separation is the ultimate security. The huge (by far most) hash power and simplicity of BTC is what makes it safe as an ultimate value. If something goes wrong in a chain made for speed or for truing completeness or another technical or economic model it will be isolated to that chain - and not effect the Atomic Clock of Value. It could happen that things go wrong with eth or chainlink or any of them... the simpler the stronger. The strongest will always be definition of value. BTC the definition of value. Eth will be DeFi. Maybe Nano or similar will be currency. Monero will be the useful wash wash... The rest will have to fight it out (for now). Message ends.

>>28353 Having just said all this: I might have a possible attack vector for the whole bitcoin block chain... but its all hot air cuz its more likely there is something i am not understanding than something week with bitcoin (at this point). But if i am on to something how do I disclose it or discuss it with a fully knowledgeable person without compromising BTC security by publicly announcing a possible weakness? and maybe it can be mitigated in code before being talked publicly? I know it sounds implausible but it was something I saw in Ivan on Tech about Shadow Mining that made me think there might be a weakness. I knew about parallel mining of course but one aspect had not occurred to me before. It would still be hard but nothing like as hard as a 51% attack...!!!! What do?

>>28354 why not talk to bitcoin devs https://bitcoin.org/en/development#dev-communities

Any coin with a transparent ledger is a surveillance coin, period. Stop enabling oppression.

>>28359 Not that I disagree, but BTC is not by design a surveillance coin.

>just download this 3GB blockchain bullshit first no thanks

>>28359 Yeah i've been using crypto since 2013 but I no longer think BTC adoption is a good thing. It feels strange. It would be a disaster for surveillance coins to go mainstream, and still it seems like hardly anyone understands this. I truly hope Monero gains more adoption quickly. It's sad that it seems so difficult for people to understand why you can't solve the issue by mixing or swapping coins. Seems possible that there will be a terrible tipping point where BTC is popular and the supply is fractured into dirty coins that people can't even spend, which will jeopardize monero as well. The future of money lies on the table and people are still allowing traceability to become more and more normalised. If Monero had just existed in the beginning then nobody would even consider complete traceability to be acceptable, not even regulators

>>28372 miner fees - burns old coin replaces with brand new BTC! Put in HUGE fee on small transaction, clean Huge coin .... as long as you mine that block!

>>28372 I agree Monero is good and all - but why not just in out to clean... Monero has that 8 million insta mine that was promised to be sorted fairly??? I dunno... its a non transparent blockchain how can I know... Never can be Atomic clock of value!

>>28374 >Never can be Atomic clock of value! That doesn't really matter if the point is to be a currency. Monero is a perfectly useful currency regardless of any of its problems. Some darknet vendors will not accept anything but monero or zcash.

>>28375 Currency sure, money never.

>>28376 who cares though? If it works, it works. That's why people used gold, because it worked, not because it was some kind of magical universal value store. The only things I can think of that you really need *money* and not just currency are for some financial-market bullshit, which IMO we're better off without.

>>28377 You need money to value things... or your left with the current situation where nothings currency value is real. If you don't have a known fixed supply how can you assign a true value?

>>28378 Further than this money is need to store wealth. Pure currency will not do that.

>>28377 >used gold, because it worked >worked not works... Times are a changing... gold would not serve universal value well at all now days.

>>28374 >Monero has that 8 million insta mine that was promised to be sorted fairly??? I dunno... its a non transparent blockchain how can I know... No Idea what the fuarrrk you're talking about. Are you thinking of Dash - a completely different coin that pretends to be private and had an scam premine? Just like Bitcoin you can audit the chain and prove how many coins there are, the math is just more complicated but still uses well-proven and simple cryptographic constructions. >why not just in out to clean? That does not work. Right now many companies already refuse funds if you use BTC with a shady history. Binance and Bitfinex allow people to trade without identification, but they freeze your funds and demand identification if you associate with dirty BTC. Swapping some dirty BTC for some different dirty BTC does not 'clean' the coin, you still have dirty funds. It creates friction everywhere, especially for merchants who have to pay companies like Chainanalysis if they want to accept BTC. The only way this ends is with mass surveillance and people turning to monero for usecases that need censorship resistance and privacy -- i.e. basically every cryptocurrency usecase

>>28381 >thinking of Dash Sorry my bad I was....

>>28381 >BTC with a shady history If BTC becomes something most the planet recognize as valuable then people independently will start accepting and using it - effectively cleaning all the coins again - as they could pass through many hands outside of exchanges... exchanges are only there until everything is priced in BTC!

>>28383 As price goes up, the value of disabled coin in this database of off limmits BTC goes up... making it one day a good target to either mess-up, destroy, or just add coins you don't want people to use. The week point potentially holding back millions of BTC is a centralized database!!! How long can that last, with such a bounty accumulating?

>>28383 In this scenario you have 99% of users not caring at all about privacy. Facebook users are typical BTC users here. They won't care that Amazon and eBay etc use Chainalysis. It will be trivial and profitable for merchants to refuse payments from people doing shady things. This is the mass surveillance nightmare scenario where every transaction you do is in a public immutable database for the rest of your life

>>28384 are you high?

>>28378 >you need money to value things no, I can value things all by myself. >Further than this money is need to store wealth. I argue that one of the biggest problems with money is that it has a tendency to accumulate, which is bad for society. >Times are a changing... gold would not serve universal value well at all now days. that's the thing: it never did. It was just a good approximation.

>>28385 You sell me bad BTC, I make new address for you to send it too. I spend bad BTC in 10 places all privet transfers, they then spend this with other privet people for services/goods... repeat 10 times etc.. then the life of bad coin is no more as all the goods and services have already been acquired, they cant take it back unless everyone on the planet used Chainalysis then the database of what that coin means will be null and void eventually..

>>28388 >no, I can value things all by myself. Markets determine prices and hence value ratio of things... not you directly, although you can chose to only pay x you might not find that fulfilled... >biggest problems with money is that it has a tendency to accumulate Only because money printer go brrrr - forcing wealth to the wealthy, BTC will only force wealth to the prudent or prosperous. Also as it won't inflate people will mostly on average only depreciate their stacks.

>>28389 99% of people will stay within platforms that use standard merchant payment gateways. The world is already like this, it is natural. So 99% of platforms will use systems like Chainalysis. The places accepting "private transfers" will be like darknet markets: but people won't want to keep destroying BTC by putting valuable clean coins in there. If people still used BTC for those private networks, at best there would be a fractured supply of lower-value bad BTC that circulates only on the darknet. >then the database of what that coin means will be null and void eventually.. I dont understand this. The database will never disappear, that's the point of BTC's immutable ledger

>>28391 >Markets determine prices and hence value ratio of things no, people determine the value for themselves. Markets determine the *price* of goods, not the value. Price, considered as an amount of currency, may be very different from valuation; for instance, a billionaire probably does not value $40 as much as a homeless man. So a billionaire would happily spend $40 on something he barely values at all while a homeless man would only spend $40 on something he considers very important. The market which set the price at $40 was just finding an efficient optimum where sellers could not get more value by changing the price. >Only because money printer go brrrr - forcing wealth to the wealthy, BTC is literally printed by computers. It forces wealth to the miners, who are very wealthy. >BTC will only force wealth to the prudent or prosperous. >Also as it won't inflate people will mostly on average only depreciate their stacks. BTC has undergone massive deflation in the past. There is no reason why it can't have inflation, and it has already been heavily financialized.

>>28389 what the fuarrrk is a bad btc

>>28395 Coins linked to suspicious activity like hacks and darknet markets

>>28392 >99% of people Think long turm, not today or tomorrow - think in 15-50+ yrs, no one will ask how to get BTC you earn it! There will be no fiat on ramps... there will be no fiat! >people determine the value Yes your point is true - one mans trash is another mans treasure. But markets are the aggregate of this value. >BTC is literally printed by computers. No it is mined.. I can print a fuarrrk ton of money for little cost... I cant print BTC unless I put in the power and true hardware cost... you cant cheat BTC production. >There is no reason why it can't have inflation Because no one who owns/mines BTC will vote (by running new software) to devalue/increase the number of BTC - there will only ever be 21 million... This will not be deflated willingly by the majority of those with skin in the game.

>>28397 >>28393

>>28392 >I dont understand this. The database will never disappear, Not the BTC blockchain... but the Chainalysis database of bad coins, it would be hard to recompile this database fully?

>>28397 >No it is mined.. I can print a fuarrrk ton of money for little cost the equipment to print money that won't quickly be recognized as fake is very expensive. >Because no one who owns/mines BTC will vote (by running new software) to devalue/increase the number of BTC there are other reasons why inflation happens. Often a currency collapses because people no longer see it as a viable currency and will no longer accept it as payment. Inflation can happen even when there is a huge supply. In a lot of cases people start using a currency for fuel because there is so much useless supply of it. >This will not be deflated willingly by the majority of those with skin in the game. Excuse me? What do you think the "hodl" meme is? People trying to deflate the value of the currency so they can make a profit just for having it. It is the very definition of rent-seeking behavior.

>>28402 >the equipment to print money A money quality press is about $1,600,000. Special treatments add more, say 2 mill... But then you can print near unlimited money... but its not you printing I care for, its the bankers. >Often a currency collapses Only if someone brakes BTC... otherwise it will always be the measure of value... I concede the faint possibility of a crypto yet to come that is all powerful, more so than BTC! >People trying to deflate the value of the currency. I don't know if they are wanting to deflate it or rather waiting until the inevitable, and will then spend when a stable top is reached...?

>>28376 >>28377 Actually people used gold because a state demanded taxes in the form of that gold. That's what gives a currency stability and power, and that is also why private cryptocurrencies will never be anything more than a speculative commodity.

>>28409 Not just the state... not just taxes.... We all need a medium of exchange - and if BTC is recognized globally as worth then it will always carry value regardless of the state... look at what is happening before your eyes! BTC is now ~10,000$ it did not need taxes to give BTC value!

What's there to talk about? Monero is the only one that has a worthwhile goal and the only one, as of currently, that should be supported. It's the only thing that even comes close to the idea of cash on the internet.

>>28354 > but its all hot air cuz its more likely there is something i am not understanding than something week with bitcoin No prizes for guessing how this was gonna turn out... Yep I did not know devs put in chain hashes at check points with each app version release! That mitigates my idea. Suffice to say i am many yrs behind satoshi :)

>>28473 Monero definitely needs more love... it is a steal at current prices! But i think i am still believing BTC will be the daddy...

>>28409 >Actually people used gold because a state demanded taxes in the form of that gold. That's what gives a currency stability and power, and that is also why private cryptocurrencies will never be anything more than a speculative commodity. This is the most redditbot post I've ever read. >Some state demanded gold as taxes, blah blah. that is why crypto has le no intrinsic value (TM). your soykaf state is a speculation

Gonna leave these here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwqnRYPcrl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nERTFo-Sk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaMJi1_1tkA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG7zLhEWanc Seems ideal thread... and these 4 sub 10min vids should make a nice starter pack for any crypto discussion.

>>28477 I sell all my moneroj because of all the community tribalism and stupidity. > reject L2, calling blockweight adjustment a scalability solution > reject SNARKs without a working scalable ring sig solution Oh, good luck. I don't want touch it.

>>28359 > Any coin with a transparent ledger is a surveillance coin, period. Monero people instead of doing their own work switched to blaming alternatives.

>>28409 Yes, Anon. There was only ever fiat currency. Never representative. Never commodity currency. Excellent trolling.

>>28353 What are you guys buying in btc? I have bought a good deal of stuff in btc. electronics at newegg.com VPSs, Phone / Internet from ATT Coffee from HODLFUEL.com If your not paying in btc your not supporting the ecosystem.

>>29766 I bought my domain name and web hosting with btc, was pretty damn cool to be able to do so. i used Orangewebsite but i think Njalla offers it too. Namecheap does as well I'm pretty sure, but they want a lot of personal information.

>>29766 you mean besides drugs? uh.... well i have been noticing that it's a bit easier to get anonymously these days with BTC atms (anyone remember the days when the only way to get anonymous BTC was making a deposit into some stranger's BofA account?) so I may actually start using it to pay for web hosting. in fact, i recently saw the coin changer machine at my local supermarket doubles as a BTC vendor so that's neat.

>>29771 I have never seen a btc atm.

>>29772 they're more common in the city. if you're in america check out those sketchy check cashing/payday loan/wire transfer type places. a lot of times they have a "bitcoin sold here" sign in their window. that being said the supermarket i mentioned is in the suburbs of a small, fairly wealthy, new england city which was surprising to me.

>>28473 What about ethereum?

>>29766 I sell products/services for crypto when someone buys from me I will use my btc

>>29889 Not yet. Maybe if you live in a techie city but I've only ever seen BTC ATMs in person.

>>29899 Oh whoops I'm retarded. Thought you were replying to >>29773

>>29772 I've seen one, but it's not what you might be hoping for. You have to make an account, download some shady app, give them all your personal information, scan your drivers license, promise your firstborn and so on. All the ATM does is accept the money and then they put an IOU on your exchange account, BCC all the 3 letter agencies.

>>29901 It differs completely depending on the country. There are absolutely incredible ATMs in switzerland. They accept monero and you can buy/sell like $4000 USD worth at once with no identification at all, and the fees are outstandingly good like 2% or so.

>>29889 My main concern about Ethereum is privacy. It is not only as transparent as bitcoin but with its account model you even cannot properly use one-time addresses as in UTXO chains but you rather will use one or few accounts. Interacting with dapps makes things worse, now your history is your unique fingerprint. If you write on social networks about dapps you used, it becomes easy to find out your ethereum account in the blockchain. The good part: there is possible to do a lot without leaving the platform and without trusting to centralized exchanges. The second is scalability. Ethereum blockchain is overloaded. ETH2.0 will not magically solve this and to come in 1-2 years. With many dapps and assets on a single chain the situation becomes worse than in Bitcoin in 2017.

>>28675 > reject L2, calling blockweight adjustment a scalability solution Tari is L2 for Monero, made by Fluffypony. > reject SNARKs without a working scalable ring sig solution MLSAG, CLSAG, and Triptych are all working scalable ring sig solutions. You might want to get those moneroj back.

>>28676 What does this even mean? Seems like they're doing plenty of their own work. They're constantly moving the state of the art forward, especially w/r/t the work coming out of MRL.

>>29901 I've never seen a btc atm like this. The ones I've used (in East Coast Canadian cities, not exactly silicon valley...) have been extremely easy to use, no identification (besides an optional email to get a receipt if you want it), pretty low fees. Usually in a sketchy but homey mom-and-pops convenience store. Just DDG for "bitcoin atm (your location)" and see what's around, you might be surprised!

>>29960 >Tari is L2 for Monero No, it's just another soykafcoin, but the project helps to fund relevant monero research. >>28675 There is no rejection of L2. It just isn't ready yet. Payment channels are being researched. For the time being, it seems extremely unlikely that crypto will stop being a niche, so dynamic block size does make it more scalable than BTC. Pruning/striping can work very effecrtively at mitigating how much space people need to run a node. Transaction size and verification time continue to improve noticeably as more improvements are made. It won't be long until it is planned to have ring sizes of over 60 without compromising scaling

>>29960 > Tari is L2 for Monero, made by Fluffypony. Sidechains are not L2. It's an independent chain with a gateway to mainchain. > MLSAG, CLSAG Only small optimizations. No serious win form this. > Triptych It's not production ready: too big proofs, to long verification time. Monero stucks with ring size 11 for now. Also, most of the work is done by one person. In contrast, a lot of projects and people work on SNARKs family. Higher security assumptions, trusted setup? Yes, but have you seen the progress there? MPC now scales for thousands participants, not 6 as in Zcash Sprout ceremony. > might want to get those moneroj back. Not really. I thought about it, but then I read reddit, another post blaming Zcash. Very tribalistic greedy community, at least the voices on reddit. But many of them have "contributor" mark, not just random pump'n'dump investors. Yes, Zcash has issues, but instead of to help people to understand weak parts in privacy the monero community just saying that zcash bad, monero good. I believe that the projects which collaborating and sharing knowledge and tech will win, and isolated tribalistic will not. Also, I home that privacy shouldn't be an unique feature of some coin and privacy tech should be usable with any type of assets.

>>29974 > There is no rejection of L2. It just isn't ready yet. Payment channels are being researched. there is. Payment channels needs primitives for hashlocks and relative timelocks. They should be done in L1, but there is no active work on that direction, because lightning is very Bitcoin specific as SNARKs is very Zcash specific. And Monero has its very own way and won't do a favor to tech of others. Also, privacy on L2 is a different thing and L1 privacy helps a little with it. Monero people don't want to admit that they are on the same ground with Bitcoin LN there. Because of that, they prefer to reject it completely. > dynamic block size does make it more scalable than BTC It doesn't. Monero transactions are more heavier. Dynamic block size does nothing with blockchain bloat. With activity as in BTC, the monero blockchain would be about 4TB now. And synchronization on HDD is pain, then your need 4TB SSD for a full node. And I don't know much about state and RAM requirements. BTC UTXO table is relatively small, but for monero where are no "spent" outputs it will be a bigger problem. > Pruning/striping can work very effecrtively Only for some extent. And it's unknown how pruning is safe for privacy. > planned to have ring sizes of over 60 60 is not a big win over 11. For serious improvement ringsize should be 1000 or more. JoinSplit anonset is significantly higher. In a long term, ring signature design is a way to nowhere.

>>30006 >>30000 Regardless of any opinions, it is not debatable that monero is the only technology working now. They have strong researchers analysing all technologies that come out. If something else is developed that actually works, monero will just adopt it. There are obviously weaknesses but it seems to be doing far, far better than anything else. All 'competitors' are in a state of complete disgrace. The only one to mention is Zcash which already had an inflation bug that they cant prove didnt massively inflate the supply. Centralised, linked to spooks, even worse scalability, unsound opt-in model, community that wants to pander to regulators. You are wrong about payment channels. There is constant research and it is definitely desired and planned. Atomic swaps are high priority and need similar new constructions

>>30009 > it is not debatable that monero is the only technology working now Maybe it's the better option for practical privacy for now. But it is not "the only". Monero is only better than Zcash because of the more mature software e.g. wallets. > that they cant prove didn't massively inflate the supply it's visible how many coins goes from the pool. But I don't want discuss it in such biased manner. Monero people only can say how Zcash is bad, and why Monero is better. They cannot compare strongest and weakest part of both projects. > You are wrong about payment channels I'll wait and see. L2 paymant channel based network cannot be done by a single upgrade. It needs a lot of work, and year of ecosystem development. For now thay say: "not many people use Lightning Network, we don't need it right now in Monero", and after few year, with adoption of BTC LN they will say: "well, LN is useful, lets implement it in Monero". Bit it will requires a few more years to pursue BTC LN then. This annoys me more. Who decide which features of network are more important to implement first, which are less importan and can wait? In Monero they it should go through MRL and the main Monero project decision mechanism which is not established yet. And more, they regularly break backward compatibility. There are no conditions to be a platform for building an ecosystem. All the ecosystem projects they have are 3rd party wallets, explorers and exchange services. For a platfrom it's important to implement general primitives. There are no Lightning Network and atomic swaps in Bitcoin at consensus level, just HTLCs. Ethereum knows nothing about all the tokens, DeFi and whatever, just they all are just an EVM bytecode. There is a space for different solutions compete each other on the same platfrom. If there is no competition in a blockchain ecosystem, the only competition occurs between blockchains. And I cannot say Monero has good chances here. The only what Monero people say now: XMR is a better private fungible cryptocurrency among all the "surveillance coins" and broken solutions like Zcash. You see, chainalisys monitors Zcash. Because of it just buy and use xmr. Don't think about the future, just buy before it is too late. But what if it is only chance for now to sell XMR on high price or to do some pump because that unique advantage in privacy will not last long. And because of this they say that adaptive block weight is a scalability solution and the other stupid things. Monero development is slowing down now. Check the github, check the frequency of network upgrades.

>>30011 >Because of it just buy and use xmr. Don't think about the future, just buy before it is too late. I have never seen anyone in the monero community say anything like this. If anything it annoys me that they actively discourage people from buying for speculation. Maybe you're following some toxic places like reddit? From following real activity by the researchers on IRC etc I see no sign that it is slowing down. They aren't "waiting" to start developing payment channels, they are doing what they can; they can't force things into existence. As they look into different schemes they are always searching for effective ways to add the required primitives, and analysing the pros and cons. The is no central monero foundation, developers work on what they want. > Monero is only better than Zcash because of the more mature software e.g. wallets. I hate tribalism as well but just think Zcash is abysmal in every way. If I explained all the issues it would be a huge post. I

>>30012 >Maybe you're following some toxic places like reddit? The main XMR discussion place is Reddit. There is no their own independent self-hosted forum. > they can't force things into existence And when I check Reddit I see posts like these: https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/gr2hwu/l2_on_monero_vs_on_chain_scaling/frwxroj/ Even notorious contributor as ArticMine who presented Monero on CDC on 36C3, and he hasn't informed about routing in LN, he shows only ignorance about LN by his comment.

>>30013 the real contributors are all on IRC, reddit is a soykafhole

A protocol for Monero atomic swaps with BTC has just been developed. https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/i1fknt/ccs_results_monero_atomic_swaps_research/ >With the help of the MRL, my colleagues, and the community, we created the first (to our knowledge) protocol to atomically swap bitcoin and monero. And this resulting protocol is implementable today - no more obscure crypto!

What is the most developed blockchain-based crowdfunding project? Something like Lighthouse that replaces Kickstarter in a decentralized way with no broker fees.

>>30012 whats wrong with zcash?

I am a huge cryptocurrency new user. Any recommended cryptocurrency reads for a generic linux user who can use the command line? [spoilet]I dont even have a btc wallet and would like to make one myself[/spoiler]

>>31802 Not many wallets can work with z-addresses. Even they can, they aren't very private yet. ZecWallet Lite allows to work with z-addresses, but has no coin select features and reveal some data to lightwallet servers. ZecWallet Fullnode protects privacy better, but cannot encrypt the wallet file. No network-level protection yet, e.g. dandelion++, tor, mixnets.

>>31811 https://bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-wallet For deeper knowledge check https://en.bitcoin.it

Two new projects you may want to know: https://www.aleo.org/ and https://codaprotocol.com/ Both rely a lot on newest zero-knowledge proof tech for compressing blockchain and/or hide information. Aleo - UTXO-based, minable, private, with private offchain contracts and effective lite clients. No more onchain bloat with code and no more gas. Coda - account-based, PoS, less private bit with off-chain contracts, allows to drop the transaction history an only the accounts state need to be stored, effective lite-clients.

>>31802 As long as privacy is opt-in it's going to fall short. I heard there was a fork of it that only allowed shielded transactions, but I don't know if much has come of it.

>>31864 >PoS, Why is it a "Piece of S.h.i.t"?

>>31930 Say this again when 51% attack on Monero occurs.

>>31925 A requirement to choose an altcoin for privacy is opt-in privacy.

>>31939 At that point, you're doubling the number of opt-ins. One for choosing your privacy altcoin, and one for the transactions themselves. If you're hoping for privacy in Bitcoin, the transparent ledger is completely antithetical to that goal. Unless I'm misunderstanding how you define an altcoin.

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>>32149 How do I acquire a breev coin and how much is it in dollars/euros?

>>32149 George Floyd wasn't shot.

>>29772 In the UK they are just like a normal cash point... as in no apps to downlaod or anything odd... first £100-£250 no KYC, just scan wallet QR code and insert cash, photo screen for receipt. more than £250 needs a phone number, need text message confirm. Over £1k need drivers licence scan etc... £2 per use + 7.5-12% transaction fee. Using for lots of £100 acquisitions means totally anon BTC for a fee of ~12%. - Worth it if you ask me. They only let 3 or 4 transactions to a single wallet over a few days, but its not like you can't make multiple wallets is it now!

>>32778 N.b. most are now in like little cuboid units on the side of other businesses on trading estates... go through an exterior door and (pic related) is what you see. Private and comfy.... some have chairs, for the more devout clients.

>>32149 Sounds like a scam to me, the fact that the website is presently down really suggests that its not a legitimate coin.

>>32793 >socially conscious platform that is in touch with the day-to-day realities of people of color. has racist lips logo... yeh... im thinking not...

Wownero is a CPU-mineable privacy-centric memecoin. It is a software fork of Monero with a lite version of RandomX (1MB scratchpad), a ring size of 22, and a faster difficulty adjustment. Wownero has a deflationary finite supply of 184,467,440 coins with a slow and steady emission over 50 years. Wownero is a fairly launched coin with no premine, instamine, or dev tax. Wow is a secure, private, and untraceable memecoin. It is open-source and accessible to all. With Wow, you are interdimensional bank! Your accounts and transactions are private until the end of time...

>>32842 the most pure white paper and the most accurate map any coin has ever posted! Thanks anon... just brought 100k

>>32843 I store my paychecks in wow. Most genuine vibes out there. Its also true wow price has done 10x 3 times since spring keep holding lain!

>>28375 >>Some darknet vendors will not accept anything but monero or zcash.

>>32842 Why use this over monero

>>33167 longer emission curve = more decentralization more memes = ??? You could tell someone about wow today and it would still be a good bet for them to mine it with a home CPU for many years. Monero the emission curve will flatten by 2022(wow dosnt flat for 50 years). Monero is THE cipherpunk investment. I would invest in monero because thats how you win but I would join wownero because some things in life should be pointless and wownero helps u remember this. Wow is very welcome to other hackers, devs, and weirds, some of the Monero devs use it has a testnetwork before monero (bullet proofs and randomx were on wow first). Most of the best memes in moonero are from wownero folks too :P. Its all same famfam.

>>33200 this is legit news. as u can see in this graph unless u are certified hodler before flat curves u will be doomed. anything at bottom of eye and lower is doomed to live as transaction slave in bitmonero one world currency oligarchs. NWO is real. Future is wow.

added wownero emission curve for reference

>>31930 At least it is not Pees of Whore.

What are the current options for earning crypto, particularly Monero, anonymously? Is there a site that catalogues these? I'm talking about: >ad networks >affiliate marketing >browser miners >micropayment platforms >freelancing platforms >fundraising platforms >trading platforms >? I figure the risks are too high with buying, as the glowies have a lot of experience with laundering schemes and the like. For real freedom, it needs to be possible to earn decent amounts of money completely in the dark.

i really am an endlevel poor user and also new to crypto fellow lainons, what should i put 30 bucks into - monero - link - lition i dont need a third option i just want to decide between these three and im sure that biz is only ought to scam me :( any advice?

>>28396 Aren't most coins linked to darknet markets? Can you give a couple examples of coins (with a decent recognition) not linked to hacks and darknet markets?

>>28372 I Mining monero once in a while with but it seems lot of work and not much money. Still as the servers I use to mine are not mine there is literally 0 loss and generate 1700-2000 H/s

>>34181 lmao did I have a stroke. I Mine monero once in a while but it seems a lot of work for not much money. Still as the servers I use to mine are not my own there is literally 0 loss and generate 1700-2000 H/s

>>34179 Coins sent from a regulated exchange. Chain analysis shows who owns them and what they bought them with. So that overwrites old history

>>34176 Monero or Litecoin

new feather wallet has mining(XMRIG), tor(tor only), and xmr.to built in. Works for monero and wownero. And works on all common distributions including tails. https://featherwallet.org/

>>34208 Is that enough to trace back to the owner? I am sure there is no real names attached to the wallets it came from.

>>34208 ChainAnal only works with non cryptonote coins. Using Monero and its forks you should be safe from any of these link-ability issues.

>>34182 XMR mining will be dried up in the next couple years - thats why its harder, you wont see strong profit unless the coin does another 10x-100x. Its a better bet(odds) to mine its sister memecoin Wownero which has a 50 year emission. I dont think the monero devs are dumb to this difference either, as a good number of them are directly involved with wownero development. Its about distribution models, sure in 10 years of printing monero you can build an adequate exchange network but there are not enough players in the game. Monero is like a corporation of hackers that you are buying into and using their money as utility. A longer distribution model means there is more potential for an equal distribution globally, which also means a greater chance that the end user will feel like they are using their OWN money vs company money.

>>34250 It's hard to wrap my head around that Wownero is a memecoin yet has a better working model than Monero. Going to the website it seems hard to take seriously.

>>34253 mebbe they want early adopters to read the src vs some stupid roadmap and a coked up whitepaper the hacker premine is real loll

>>34208 fuarrrk this sounds dystopian

>>34015 You like making memes? Monero has a funding system for projects if you are creative. Monero has a funded marketing team which pays people to create good memes. If you post in the right places you can get lots of tips too. Ive made $5-10 a day when I meme for monero. Its not much, but when you add in mining for heat during the winter its not a bad take.

>>34176 Litecoin is a faster bitcoin. Its a safe bet.

>>34309 It is centralized, they barely maintain the code to keep up with BTC, the long-term price chart is catastrophic. Most importantly they are no longer following BTC. They are diverging to do a very risky and pointless mimblewimble implementation that pretends to be for privacy, but the design won't actually be very private, so it won't do much. I think the chance of something going badly is quite high since they have no protocol developers (they are paying someone new who used to work Grin... literally one person)

>>31939 I understand how you can say that in some sense (e.g. people treating all monero transactions as suspicious) but there are other important factors. 1) Chain analysis can be done on the linked transparent transactions, breaking privacy. 2) User experience: people are dumb and confused and lazy. More options is bad. Complicated options is terrible - hardly anyone can understand best practices in order to properly achieve privacy. Some people will just use transparent transactions with a "privacy coin" and not understand that they are at risk. The only way for USABLE privacy for the average person, with good user experience, is for it to be mandatory. This links with point (1): with opt-in privacy, lack of adoption and lazy people will ALWAYS in practice lead to broken privacy, according to both history and logic. 3) If a website accepts something with mandatory privacy like monero then you know it is ok, but with opt-in privacy you have to worry if you'll get your funds frozen for being suspicious; even if you just by chance end up with suspicious coins. Opt-in privacy leads to uncertainty and risk.

>>34314 Really? I thought it was the same as bitcoin only faster?? Maybe I should dump my bags...

>>34272 Is this for real? Can you please link to where people pay for memes?

>>34806 this monero meme subreddit lotta of tipping going on https://reddit.com/r/wownero

>>28353 OP, stay away from Bitcoin and stop suggesting it. Use Monero instead to get that true privacy-centered cryptocurrency. Or, just pay for everything with precious metals (cash can be tracked although it is somewhat difficult).

>>34272 can anyone confirm this? are people really paying for memes? wtf

>>35024 >>34806 Finally found your niche in society?

>>35046 If i can figure out how this crypto wallet thing works, perhaps this is my future. I make memes all day at work anyways.

>>35024 >>35046 >>35052 Mate I just want someone to hire me to be a russian troll. I'd be so fuarrrking good at it.

>>35058 I think you need to live in Russia. They hire them because they will work for less. The pay might not add up to much in your country.

>>35061 am russian troll looking for work, its this place now?

>>31864 >>32149 >>32842 >>32843 >>32857 >>33200 >>33203 >>33207 >>34250 >>34255 >>34844 GTFO with your vapid hype and covert coin promotion

>>35600 lelll cause hate speech is freespeech amirite?

>>35745 I dare you to come up with a definition of "hate speech" that everyone in the world will agree to and obey. Cryptocurrency would be completely worthless if a centralized authority had the power to arbitrarily censor whatever speech or transactions they wanted.

>>35763 Dont care about the everyone. You just sad someone exercised their free speech on your soykafass opinions.