Peertube

Do any of you use the federated free sofrware video platform Peertube? Are some Peertube servers cooler than others? Is there a cyberpunk peertube server like the lain.church jabber server? I already use federated things like Diaspora and Jabber. But thats all just text, it doesn't take up much space. I don't feel bad about brewing soykaf on them. But video files are huge. I'd feel bad about my videographic shiposts taking up so much space on some poor admins box. But I also really want to try peertube because it seems like really cool software.

How's this different from Bitchute?

>>22635 Bitchute isn't decentralized at all. They just fake it. https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/bitchute-decentralization-claims/ And they also ban you if you're not pushing right-wing agenda. (Try it)

>>22627 Is there a lainchan peertube?

Is there enough interest for me to spend an extra $5/month on the storage for a lain.church Peertube instance?

>>22641 How much are you spending already?

>>22642 Kitty is putting in $5/mo, I'd be throwing the same money at it just as storage, which wouldn't be bad. Downside would be >nodejs but I could take one for the team.

>>22641 Would it only be five whole bucks? Videos take up a lot of space. I'd post videos to it.

>>22646 $5 for 50GB, scales at $1/10GB. Not sure if I can have it automatically work out quotas based on free space available.

>>22647 God damn. That's really cool.

There's a peertube android client out there. https://f-droid.org/en/packages/net.schueller.peertube/

Bump

I like the idea of it but I can't find any good instances. That seems to be a central problem with all these decentralized services.

>>22714 Maybe for people who want to get in, but that makes it better for those already inside.

>>22627 I know a guy who has a permaculture farm and makes youtube videos about it. He wants to fully migrate towards free software like peertube, I'm probably going to help him a bit.

>>22731 Sounds interesting, you should link us when he's done

>>22732 Will do, it's in french though.

>>22731 That sounds badass.

Here are lists of instances. https://instances.joinpeertube.org/instances https://the-federation.info/peertube https://fediverse.network/peertube?count=users I honestly kind of want to join this one https://pt.neko.bar/about/instance

I've always just intended to release large video or audio files I eventually produce with Bittorrent, since it's not as if they'll need much changing, none with this scheme. >>22755 Two of those failed to work without JavaScript and from the third I found https://peertube.video, which also fails to work without JavaScript. Peertube just looks like a WWW interface over Bittorrent, so why bother with that over Bittorrent? Wouldn't I be able to participate without actually participating, merely by sharing the torrent metadata with others who may place it there?

>>22636 >And they also ban you if you're not pushing right-wing agenda. Source?

>>22782 Source: Myself. Sorry I know it's a disappointing and useless source but it happened to me. The funny thing is, as the admins are lying morons, they don't have the courage to write "derezzed". They just tell you your account have been "silenced" or some other BS. You can try it yourself. Try uploading 2-3 "pro-antifa" videos just for testing. And it's not like those morons never lied: They say Bitchute is P2P but they just renamed subdomains "seed1", "seed2" etc to make it look like it true. They are just another centralized right-wing edgy kids video hosting company. (That's why they can ban you)

>>22783 you dont seem like a reliable source, really biased

>>22786 Don't trust the source then. Do it.

>>22786 Like >>22796 said, just try it ;) And the part about them not being decentralized is true. They were caught lying about it. https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/bitchute-decentralization-claims/ Good for you if you can still trust them lol

>>22796 yea I did and they didn't "silence" me

>>22798 They are not superheroes my god you waited 2hours. Give it time

>>22798 can you link the video you uploaded? i've heard this >>22636 claim before so i'm curious to see how this test pans out.

Please stay on the topic of Peertube.

>>22797 >article by Frederick Brennan Well that really raises some red flags. >>22804 You're being unreasonable, but fine. This issue of Bitchute's truthworthiness/reliability is really important to some of us. Thread for Bitchute over here: >>22810

>>22775 >Peertube just looks like a WWW interface over Bittorrent, so why bother with that over Bittorrent? Seamless streaming in the browser + video metadata, users, and comments are accessible over ActivityPub (like Pleroma or Mastodon) so you can interact with other PeerTube instances. >>22647 >$5 for 50GB, scales at $1/10GB. Not a great price for storage

>article by Frederick Brennan >Well that really raises some red flags. Maybe you should actually read the article instead of just stopping reading when you see who wrote it. Fredrick wrote vichan, the code at the base of lainchan. His political opinion does not matter here, he's explaining technically how he caugh bitchute liying. Go read the answers from bitchute on twitter about this article too. They digged their own grave. Of course he looked into them because he hate them, but you can't fake technical explanations. "I could not find a single video that was served via BitTorrent peers. Not a single one. In both Firefox and Chrome, all video data came directly from servers owned by BitChute. " Either they are faking it, or they have literally 0 user on the site. The only thing decentralized about bitchute is that they own boxes in different big datacenters and "seed" video from them... and it's not even seeding in reality just a normal http server with a openly accessible video file (.mp4) like... every other website.

>>22815 I've been investigating alternative methods but that's the cost of block storage from the hosting provider. The part that really throws me for a loop is the NodeJS part - Peertube is written in NodeJS and I don't really want to have that on anything I control, so I'd end up throwing it into a container. Half inclined to wait for the clone in Elixir that doesn't actually exist yet.

>>22875 NodeJS just baffles me. I simply can't fathom the mindset that thinks "You know that browser-based programming language that was slapped together in a week and is so full of internal inconsistencies that the reason it takes so long to learn is because you need to learn the exceptions to the syntax rules to make something that's even halfway-functional? Yeah, let's use that language server-side too!" Madness, I tell you. Madness.

>>22896 While we're at it, let's change the way you work with it anyway! A totally different programming style! Also, have a soykafty package manager and associated tooling. Have fun! Makes me wanna die.

>>22898 >Also, have a soykafty package manager and associated tooling. No kidding. And that's not even getting into the insanity that makes node fans never write original code if they could possibly just import someone else's. The left-pad fiasco really opened my eyes.

>>22875 Wasabi would cost about the same for 1TB, and with some abuse you can make Peertube use it. I like that idea better.

>>22896 >>22875 IS there a single video site that works with disabled JS? and then even further, a decentralized one?

>>23029 PeerTube uses webtorrent or some other BS - effectively torrent over websocket - which requires JS to work in a web browser. The options for the alternative are essentially either download from one place, using regular HTTP, or have a native (web)torrent client to that speaks to the PeerTube API. In theory, one could do a no-JS AP-based federated video site but if the instance hosting a video went down you'd be out of luck - it's no better than Youtube in that respect. tl;dr peertube and JS a soykaf but the only worthwhile way to do this in a web browser It'd just be nice if PeerTube wasn't >nodejs also YouTube works without JS if you have the video URL

>>22818 Maybe you shouldn't believe everything you see on garbage clickbait blogs written by frauds. No soykaf that site doesn't serve videos via 'BitTorrent' it uses web torrents which is a completely different and incompatible protocol. If you want to watch bitchute videos through their p2p network you have to download and install a web torrent client. What seems more likely; that the developers of the web torrent protocol are lying on github when they talk about bitchute in this thread https://github.com/webtorrent/webtorrent/issues/1312 That the official for web torrent site is lying when they list bitchute https://webtorrent.io/faq That dozens of tech communities on the web that discussed the details about how the bitchute web torrent service works for the last few years are all lying in unison Or that Frederick Brennan is a liar? Go ahead and grab a web torrent client and try any magnet link on their website to see for yourself. According to Brennan they're fake links that do nothing. See for yourself who's the liar. >but you can't fake technical explanations. That's exactly what he did and he wrote it in such a way to convince people who don't know any better.

>>22967 Well nerds, here we go. https://tube.lain.church

>>23576 >>23576 Oh soykaf! nice! Thank you very much! I'm so glad I checked this thread again.

Here's a catgirl themed one if yall care for that. https://pt.neko.bar/

>>23660 No I'm attacking Frederick Brennan for being a liar. Many others have tested his claims and found them to be fraudulent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BitChute#Magnetic_links I don't care what site or company he's writing about. The fact is he's outright lying about the p2p nature of Bitchute and anyone can see for themselves by testing a magnet link on the site using a webtorrent client.

>In theory, one could do a no-JS AP-based federated video site but if the instance hosting a video went down you'd be out of luck - it's no better than Youtube in that respect. Elegant federation would allow easy mirroring. (e.g. I see a video which I want to have available on the internet, so I just click ``mirror'', probably near the ``like'' or ``share'' &c buttons, which copies it to my instance. I would also like to be able to pledge to pay (what/how I pay would be defined by me) an instance to mirror it, so that there is extra incentive to host it.) Only if the last instance which has a copy were to go down, or delete it, would you be out of luck---it is better than YouTube in that respect. >IS there a single video site that works with disabled JS? Invidious is inelegant. Also, youtube-dl. In terms of decentralized video hosting, why not use plain BitTorrent? If it's the ``comments'' or ``social network'' part, why not use a forum (e.g. an ``uploader'' can open a thread with the magnet or .torrent and a brief description, thumbnails,, using templates for often-used forms)? I suppose there would be a desire to be able to see all the discussions from one place. (But I think of videos as merely the data, and the forum post as the thing, because it holds the context.) (I suppose the question, then, becomes about decentralized forums.) Any other ideas? >they don't have the courage to write "derezzed" I've heard that term often. I've tried (fruitlessly) to find it's definition. From what I gather from how it's used, it's meaning is akin to ``derezzed'', but I've seen it used in contexts where ``derezzed'' would be inaccurate. There has, though, always been a general sense of inaccess. Had I a pointer to a resource about ``derezzed'' &c, I would be grateful.

>>23576 Cool very Nice. Imagine a world where the development of social media and other media wasn't completely halted by a few fuarrrkwit companies.

>>23726 Wouldn't it be a nice world?

So I've been trying out the Peertube instance "BitTube" lately, and I have to say I'm fairly impressed with their transcoding quality. It beats out Youtube easily. There is something that I find totally baffling, however. Like Youtube, they cap the frame rate of your videos at 30fps. How is it that in the year 2020 we still have video hosting services doing this asinine soykaf? It's just so perplexing to me that we have all these super progressive, user-oriented video hosting solutions and there still doesn't seem to be one that gives users the options to just host the damn content without transcoding. Look, I'm a big boy, I've been around the video encoding block long enough now. If I keep my hosted files below a certain size, why don't you just let me encode with whatever specifications that I want already? Then you can even save yourself some bandwidth, by not forcing me to upload in the highest quality possible in anticipation of quality-mangling transcoding in the first place. Seriously, what the fuarrrk is up with this? I started hosting my stuff on Youtube in 2006 and it totally blows my mind that standards on the hosting end have gone almost nowhere after 14 years of technological progress.

https://invidio.us /thread

>>24837 Merely a Youtube front end, doesn't resolve any of the problems on the hosting end.

>>23576 Can you tell use what all the transcoding options are available when you set up a server? I'm curious if you can tweak them beyond support for or against a particular codec or container.

>>24836 >>24841 Aha, found the relevant code: # If enabled, the video will be transcoded to mp4 (x264) with "faststart" flag # In addition, if some resolutions are enabled the mp4 video file will be transcoded to these new resolutions. # Please, do not disable transcoding since many uploaded videos will not work transcoding: enabled: true # Allow your users to upload .mkv, .mov, .avi, .flv videos allow_additional_extensions: true # If a user uploads an audio file, PeerTube will create a video by merging the preview file and the audio file allow_audio_files: true threads: 1 resolutions: # Only created if the original video has a higher resolution, uses more storage! 0p: false # audio-only (creates mp4 without video stream, always created when enabled) 240p: false 360p: false 480p: false 720p: false 1080p: false 2160p: false Kind of weak to be honest, I was hoping for more control. Find the *p garbage particularly discriminatory against non-standard resolutions. And I see nothing in here about altering or not altering a video's frame rate. What kind of jerk developing Peertube thinks nobody could possibly care about that?

>>22664 Installed. >>22627 Someone should upload Lain or movies or something. Most instances have nothing interesting.

>>24837 Exactly what >>24838 said, not to mention that you have to enable youtubevideo javascript requests in order to use it and if you're doing that I don't see why you would use invidio over youtube because google is still going to track you.

How can I get in contact with the admins of the lain.church peertube instance?

> There will be other non JS-based clients to access PeerTube, but for now none is available. Be sure we will update this page with a list once alternative clients are developed. You can certainly develop you own in the meantime as our code is open source and libre software under GNU AGPLv3.0. Is there an instance of peertube which doesn't use javascript for their front end?

>>25216 Xeon's contact info listed here https://shadowkat.net/about/

>>25223 I messaged them on mastodon two weeks and I dont have any access to the rest

>>25235 Hi sorry I got the notification while I was in a meeting and it fell off my stack I'll get back to you when I get onto a computer.

>>22636 This, and also imo fuarrrk LBRY. PeerTube is THE way to go. It baffles me how many content creators are switching to/uploading to LBRY/Bitchute, but completely disregard PeerTube. The issue with PeerTube is it is lacking content creators, otherwise it'd be absolutely amazing. Keep pushing creators onto it, there's also a script called Youtube2Peertube you guys can setup if you want to dupe channels. I think that would help get things flowing as well.

>>26185 What's your gripe with lbry? I've never used it but it seems to be under the MIT license.

>>26192 Not as big of an issue as with Bitchute, but they seem to overcomplicate what PeerTube does simply as far as decentralization goes. Ontop of this, they have a million third party scripts running on their site (Facebook, Google Analytics, Twitter, etc.), for people that call themselves "privacy conscious", this doesn't strike joy with me. Where as in comparison, PeerTube has literally nothing as far as third party dependencies. Also PeerTube is part of the Fediverse. I do think PeerTube can use some polishing, but still it needs more creators on it. I think people should at the very least be uploading to PeerTube if they're going to be uploading to LBRY. I've seen many FOSS advocate, privacy friendly, etc. YouTubers (and similar) who upload to both Bitchute and LBRY, also YouTube, but completely ignore PeerTube. It kinda confuses me, because imo PeerTube is the best of the 3, just a little underpolished. But the more people that join, the more they have motivation to work on it. It just needs some content.

>>26185 >creators are switching to/uploading to LBRY/Bitchute What is actually on LBRY? I haven't ever seen anything intresting by a serious content creator yet , except khans academy, which I thought was a reupload.

>>26244 >serious content creators not sure, but it's generally similar people who are posting to Bitchute. No massive content creators (unsurprisingly). But channels like Mr. Obvious, Luke Smith, Distrotube, etc.

https://tube.lain.church/ has been down for a few days. Help please.

https://framablog.org/2020/05/26/our-plans-for-peertube-v3-progressive-fundraising-live-streaming-coming-next-fall/ >For the first step of this roadmap, we will create a globalized video index to make it easier to search for content throughout the whole federation. This index will be made so that it can be easily reproduced and configured so that anyone can offer their own index, with its own eligibility rules. >For the 2nd step of development, we will dedicate a month to developing and improving moderation tools. >live peer-to-peer video streaming. We ran some tests, we know that this is a big undertaking, but we are confident that we can do it.

>>22875 >Half inclined to wait for the clone in Elixir that doesn't actually exist yet. If anyone is interested and a project gets made, I can contribute. Elixir has been in my to-learn list for a long while and while I don't have enough time to actually do it myself, I would be interested in contributing heavily. Also, yeah, it's down :-(

>>23576 >502 Bad Gateway Well that didn't last very long

>>28132 >>28247 I wonder if Xeon is alive.

>>26185 What's the deal with LBRY? It has kind of a venture capital stench about it, not to mention some cryptocurrency bullshit, but on the other hand everything I could find from briefly reading the info on their site seems to indicate that its a fully open protocol running on libre software. I assume the creators expect to make money on the cryptocurrency exchange? I still definitely prefer peertube's approach but doe you all think LBRY should be actively discouraged? I only ask because I've seen a couple more youtube people uploading their vids there and it seems to be gaining traction faster than peertube atm... I assume because theyre hooked on those sweet influencer-bux and peertube (thankfully, imo) doesn't really have monetization model.

>>28965 Read >>26210

>>28132 sad They put up a decent roadmap, i hope this goes somewhere. https://joinpeertube.org/roadmap

I personaly use newpipe to access peertube.

I miss you, Church of Lain.

>>28155 Sounds really promising.

Some good analysis in this thread, don't die just yet.

Peertube really needs I2P support to be of any real use, otherwise it's vulnerable to copyright troll bullshit the same as youtube.

>>33108 Well the main issue is javascript, IMO. But you are right that i2p would help. I guess technically you could host it through TOR, disable rtc (the torrent share funcion to alleviate bandwidth). The end user should probably use qubes/whonix so java exploits won't be able to expose IP addresses. I'd ideally like a JavaScript-less system, but basic HTML doesn't have great encoding as far as I know.

>>33110 Good web browsers like Pale Moon don't have webRTC and likely never will.

>>33110 I2P would allow the torrent-like layer to be used, it'd simply need to be adapted to I2P-use like its own torrent implementation.

>>33131 made by the limewire developer: >MuWire is an anonymous file-sharing program. You can share, search and download files of any type over I2P https://github.com/zlatinb/muwire https://muwire.com/ in the website you can find youtube videos about it

>>33142 I truly wish that i2p torrents worked, lol, or is there a movie tracker for example that works for i2p? where do i get torrents that work over i2p?

>>33149 http://tracker2.postman.i2p such a tracker already exists Lain. >>33142 Oh that's interesting, I wonder if it uses the same protocol backend as https://geti2p.net/en/docs/applications/bittorrent

>>33110 >I'd ideally like a JavaScript-less system, but basic HTML doesn't have great encoding as far as I know. I see no reason you couldn't just use the API for everything, but it's probably not a good answer. Nothing stops you from making a desktop client. There is a youtube-dl feature for PeerTube but the recognized domains are hardcoded in.

>>33108 >Peertube really needs I2P support to be of any real use, otherwise it's vulnerable to copyright troll bullshit the same as youtube. In the same way that lainchan needs I2P support to be of any real use, otherwise it's vulnerable to copyright troll bullshit the same as youtube. Don't underestimate the Hydra effect and the number of countries that don't enforce the Berne Convention.

GNU/MediaGoblin needs more love https://mediagoblin.org/

>>34339 >GNU/MediaGoblin needs more love I really want to love this project. I really do. But the last time I tried to install it, about a year ago, the installation process was a complete soykafshow. Unless it's gotten any better I really don't have any interest in reliving that. And I'll say this up front: I cut my teeth on Slackware 3.4. I build LFS for fun every few years. I'm no stranger to carefully reading installation documentation and patiently following guides. I've been doing it for literally decades. But Mediagoblin just broke me.