/rmsg/ - Stallman General

Thread to defend stallman from the internet mob. Previous: >>19702 Know what happened: https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/ Sign the petition: http://chng.it/GGPxTnfNz6 Quick rundown: The public discussion against Stallman started on September 12 with a post on Medium.com by MIT graduate Selam G. about Stallman's opinions in a private mailing list of MIT's CSAIL. Her post was followed by an article on Vice.com by Edward Ongweso Jr. and then followed by several other articles and public statements, e.g. by The Daily Beast, GNOME Foundation, Software Freedom Conservancy. SPECIFICALLY, THEY HAVE WRITTEN THAT STALLMAN >(1) Defended Jeffrey Epstein (while in reality Stallman was defending Marvin Minsky); >(2) Described Epstein's victims as entirely willing (while in reality Stallman was arguing that one specific victim of Epstein, Virginia Giuffre, was PRESENTED to Minsky as entirely willing because she was coerced by Epstein, not that she WAS entirely willing); >(3) Defended pedophilia (while in reality Stallman was arguing that age doesn't matter in a case of rape because rape is always a terrible act no matter the age of the victim); >(4) Defended pedophilia in the past (while in reality Stallman already countered his controversial claim from 2006 -in which he expressed skepticism in case of consensual sex- with a comment in 2013, where he said that children can't really be consensual); >(5) Condoned sexual assault (while in reality Stallman was arguing that the term "sexual assault" does not fit the description of Minsky's act towards Virginia Giuffre since she wasn't assaulted by Minsky but coerced by Epstein; Stallman also added that the term is generally too vague as it refers to bad acts that can range from harmful to very harmful, and that the term usually makes readers think of the worst case); >(6) Implied that the victim wasn't harmed (while in reality Stallman explicitly claimed that she was harmed); >(7) Made comments that are excuses about rape, assault and child sex trafficking (while he condemned all three as explained above); >(8) Used to keep a mattress in his MIT office, implying sexual activity and/or macho behavior at work (while in reality Stallman is known to have lived in his office for a certain period of his life). As a consequence of these writings, Stallman resigned from his position at MIT and also from his position at the Free Software Foundation. *REFERENCES IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER* SEPTEMBER 12 https://medium.com/@selamie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec210794 SEPTEMBER 13 https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9ke3ke/famed-computer-scientist-richard-stallman-described-epstein-victims-as-entirely-willing https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6405929/09132019142056-0001.pdf https://www.thedailybeast.com/famed-mit-computer-scientist-richard-stallman-defends-epstein-victims-were-entirely-willing SEPTEMBER 14 https://www.stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#14_September_2019_(Statements_about_Epstein) SEPTEMBER 16 https://medium.com/@selamie/remove-richard-stallman-appendix-a-a7e41e784f88 https://blog.halon.org.uk/2019/09/gnome-foundation-relationship-gnu-fsf/ https://sfconservancy.org/news/2019/sep/16/rms-does-not-speak-for-us/ https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#16_September_2019_(Resignation) https://www.fsf.org/news/richard-m-stallman-resigns *OTHER REFERENCES* STALLMAN ON HIS HOME https://stallman.org/rms-lifestyle.html STALLMAN ON PEDOPHILIA, 2006 https://www.stallman.org/archives/2006-may-aug.html#05%20June%202006%20%28Dutch%20paedophiles%20form%20political%20party%29 STALLMAN ON PEDOPHILIA, 2013 https://stallman.org/archives/2012-nov-feb.html#04_January_2013_%28Pedophilia%29

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Let's not forget how Steven Levy stabbed Stallman in the back and said that he deserved to be homeless and alone because he likes to dance and is too awkward when talking to girls.

https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/9/22/847 RMS: You did nothing wrong. You defended your friend and colleague; this is the correct thing for a man to do. You will notice that the white men attack you and have their knives out the very moment an opportunity arises (not to mention the women, but that is a given), while the Latin men support you. This should tell you all you need to know. Your life's work has not been in vain: we: the programmers support you, and have supported you through our actions. We build free software, in accordance with your principals. What do the proud white men and women do? They simply defend "white womanhood"; they attack you while embezzling the donations funded to your organizations. They do not program, they instead eject the programmers from their own founded projects and place female political officers at their heads (or an equivalent there-of). These people are your enemies: white men and white women who exist only to exalt "the white woman". It is a tale as old as America, as old as England in-fact. It is the only care white men have. That is why they betray you.

>"As far as I can tell, he believes his entire life's work is a failure..." > https://news.slashdot.org/story/19/09/21/0253227/gnus-former-kernel-maintainer-shares-a-reflection-on-the-departure-of-richard-stallman

>>20141 This OP needs to be spread to other tech boards, forums, websites, etc.

>>20146 Short form can be found here >>20114

>>20145 >But Bushnell concludes that "It is time for the free software community to leave adolescence and move to adulthood, and this requires leaving childish tantrums, abusive language, and toxic environments behind." Now that's a good quote.

>>20144 Am I the only one who finds like "race" talk cringe. It seems like a forceful reframing, while most people have issues with his stances on freedom zero and general rejection of non-free software.

>>20149 >It seems like a forceful reframing It most likely is. This smells a lot like some attempt to attract people from a well-known Pit Of Lunatics to associate them with the efforts to clear Stallman's name, thereby giving people ammunition against it. Wouldn't be the first time something like this has happened. Hell, it's become so commonplace that there should have been a name for it by now.

>>20149 >>20150 Yes, that is a bit far from the evidence and arguments gathered and discussed until now.

>>20141 Also, as mentioned in the other thread >think forward: campaign for next fsf president, what about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eben_Moglen

>>20146 OP here. I tried to write the article "in collaboration" with /g/ but was derezzed for "calling for raids and dox". Someone else will have to campaign there for the next two weeks because muh static IP.

Still looking for opinion on this >>20095

>>20155 Just start posing it, Dr. Ebin.

Sign the petition: http://chng.it/GGPxTnfNz6 >Please turn JavaScript on and reload the page. >DDoS protection by Cloudflare >Ray ID: 51a8a8a6c8a77a0f fuarrrk off and die. And what fuarrrking web petition has ever changed anything? Inb4 link to me some retarded story where every person in the world signed some petition and the outcome would have been achieved even without petition. >(4) Defended pedophilia in the past (while in reality Stallman already countered his controversial claim from 2006 -in which he expressed skepticism in case of consensual sex- with a comment in 2013, where he said that children can't really be consensual); RMS obviously doesn't agree with the pedo witchunt. Maybe he draws the line at having sex with children (e.g, 10 and under), but there are still many other things that you can disagree with in Murica and get v& over.

Now they are trying to get the FSF board to resign: https://twitter.com/KardOnIce/status/1174504535915675648 https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/1174370576556642305 https://twitter.com/_sagesharp_/status/1174722939872133120 And discussing alternatives to the GPL that restrict use (violating the 1st freedom of free software): https://twitter.com/sterlingcrispin/status/1115411627849863168 https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/1174907725853052929 https://twitter.com/CoralineAda/status/1175847915522334727

>>20168 Here is their proposed "Open Source" replacement of the GPL: https://firstdonoharm.dev/ tl;dr MIT license except you can't use it to oppress "underprivileged" people (so you can use it to oppress the privileged)

>>20168 >>20169 This really is starting to feel like some paid actor BS to ruin free software from the inside out. It's like they don't understand they can just fork projects and work on it on their own if they dislike or disagree with something, which is what plenty of people do. If only Stallman stood up for himself instead of giving in then these freaks wouldn't be sperging out on atwitter even more.

>>20149 Just imagine how cringe it reads when you are white and born in Latin America. >>20150 You got it 100% correctly. They can then re-frame people defending Stallman as latino-supremacists (kek) or whatever is the new incarnation of the enemy.

>>20169 Just imagine being prevented from using a text editor or image editing programs distributed in this license, because your creative productions may threaten the _current_ definition of unprivileged. It is essentially Thought Police MIT license.

>>20159 We were not able to find a petition site that uses only free js.

>>20141 Version 3.1 is out. Someone on reddit is very smart so now it includes a link to the article that originated the sex with parrot meme. The post in which he says to have changed his mind is now also in chronological order. https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/ I don't want to brag but pic related. I do want to brag. The picture is also for the guy that did the formatting.

>>20178 I wish I had the programming knowledge necessary to make a FLOSS petition website. So many big names in the free software world refuse to sign off on them because of this.

>>20180 It's easy. Take it as a first project to learn programming. You could use python+django. I have used and liked it. Python+Flask is also a popular choice.

>>20179 I think the summary could be a bit better if you rewrote the parts that sound a bit snarky so people don't think it's written as someone having beef with other journalists but as someone who's laying out the facts and correcting lies.

>>20182 I’m going to sleep now, you can do it yourself if you feel like it and I will update it tomorrow. I was pondering the same thing today. I was very upset when I wrote it.

This whole situation reminds me of pic related

>>20183 Good night! I'll try and edit it a bit myself as much as I can tomorrow if I have time.

>>20159 Awhile back the Qanon community tried to promite the "Internet Bill of Rights" (alternative to Net Neutrality) on Change.org. It was discovered that the submission count was being lowered periodically.

I think you guys are getting a little too focused on this specific event, when in fact RMS has had a long history of unsightly views and behavior. Supporting things like forced sterilization and consensual pedophilia. As well as his poor social behavior and hygiene making people uncomfortable. These aren't damning for a regular person, but it is for a public figure with honorary positions... This soykaf was bound to happen as Stallman was never gonna change or learn to stfu about unnecessary soykaf. It is a shame that the thing that forced him out was so hyperbolic, and is being used as motivation for pushing good people out of the FSF. We should all work together to defend the FSF board from unreasonable criticism. I just hope that whoever takes over the FSF will hold true to RMS's software philosophy and be more presentable publicly so we can keep growing the free software movement, We need the FSF now more than ever, before corporations co-opt "open-source" software philosophy away from us.

>>20169 Oppressing the privileged is cyberpunk af, don't be part of the problem

>>20149 Feminism isn't anything new, and it's a "white" phenomenon (ie: english). It's been going on since the 11th century with the re-writings of the english epics by order of noble-women. There is always hate for men, and a desire to raise the woman above him, in said cultural tradition.

Remeber when opensource was not "governed", when there were little to no "foundations"; just the programmers who actually wrote the code. I do. It wasn't long ago. Go back to that.

Go fuarrrk yourself. RMS said nothing wrong. On 2019-09-22 20:35, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 08:08:49PM +0000, gameonlinux@redchan.it wrote: >> You defended your friend and colleague; this is the correct thing >> for a man to do. > > Please, stop this crude nonsense, You are harming RMS more than > you are helping. > > But hey, perhaps this is what you want. > > -- t

>>20180 So many "big names" in free software are attacking RMS now, because MUUHH WUUHHMAN. (Those "big names" aren't the actual programmers of old: just embezzlers and interlopers)

>>20187 You're really afraid of being ostracized for being "against women"? What are they going to hold back from you? No young virgin girls for you? Oh sorry, they don't allow you that anyway. What kind of castrated being are you?

>>20169 That's not a new license.

>>20168 >And discussing alternatives to the GPL that restrict use (violating the 1st freedom of free software): There are those who want him gone because because they want less anti-propriatory advocacy, and more corporate friendly rhetoric, and for all I know they might have been the ones pushing this for years. But it's these people, these newly political, very "conscious", liberals (in the worst sense) that have just been gathered and spun up against old-school free software because of opposition to freedom 0 (not 1, btw). I saw this on the Fediverse a few weeks back, when someone was saying that sites like "Gab" have given "Free Software" so much of a bad name, that the concept should be dispensed with entirely. It disgusts me that these people don't even understand what it is they are using, what it is they are opposing, and what it is that they are ultimately doing.

>>20175 >defending Stallman as latino-supremacists Oh, wow, I didn't even realise that that was what was going on. I thought he was just some Blackpill guy or plain incoherent. >>20193 >Feminism is hatred of men k m8

>>20187 Ar the botttom of the page linked in OP. >Note: People on the internet often talk about his past "problematic" behavior, when doing so they usually link you, directly or indirectly, to one of articles reviewed here.

>>20168 Is this the end of everything we've come to cherish lainons?

Sure are lots of anti-sjw's here who dont mind defending a jewish socialist advocating for gender neutral language.

>>20207 >if you're anti-sjw then that means you are antisemitic anti-socialist person that doesn't care about womens feelings Look, I guess I understand your anti jewish and anti socialist sentiment, but anti gender neutral language? Women like feeling of accepting and neutral discussion ground. You wouldn't like feeling left out of the conversation either would you?

>>20144 Is this some kind of Latino supremacy thing? Sheeeeit, I'm from SA and this is cringey as fuarrrk. >>20150 Yes, seems really plausible.

>>20187 You're right, but now this is the rallyin cry of /p0l/ and similar peoples.

>>20187 You are very right.

accusation inflation accusation inflation accusation inflation

>>20147 On 2019-09-12 Selam G. posted on Medium about RMS's opinions in a mailing list of MIT CSAIL. Her post was followed by an article on Vice and then by several others e.g. DailyBeast, GNOME, SFConservancy. >THEY WROTE THAT RMS... (1) defended Epstein (while in fact he was defending Minsky); (2) described Epstein's victims as entirely willing (while he was arguing that one specific victim of Epstein was PRESENTED to Minsky AS entirely willing because she was coerced by Epstein); (3) defended pedophilia (while in fact he was arguing that age doesn't matter in case of rape because rape is rape, no matter the age); (4) defended pedophilia in the past (while in reality RMS already countered his claim from 2006 -in which he expressed skepticism in case of consensual sex- with a comment in 2013, where he said that children can't really be consensual); (5) condoned sexual assault (while in fact he was arguing that "sexual assault" does not describe Minsky's act since the victim wasn't assaulted by Minsky but coerced by Epstein; RMS added that "sexual assault" is a vague term as it refers to acts that can range from harmful to very harmful, and that it makes readers think of the worst case); (6) implied that the victim wasn't harmed (while RMS explicitly claimed that she was harmed); (7) made comments that are excuses about rape, assault & child sex trafficking (while he condemned all three); (8) kept a mattress in his office for sex/machismo (while in fact RMS just lived in his office for a while). >AS A CONSEQUENCE RMS RESIGNED FROM MIT & FSF ON 2019-09-16.

>>20218 >spread to other tech boards, forums, websites, etc.

https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/index.html

Didnt all this really start with the news that bill gates was flying with epstein? You know, that thing that nobody talks about anymore.

>>20222 Right? Where's that guy's comeuppance? Oh wait that's right hes a jillionaire, he could do literally anything and it wouldn't matter. But a free software hippie gets instantly eviscerated for talking about it even though he wasn't personally involved in any way.

I tried my best to remove and rewrite some parts that seemed too ragey and did some grammatical fixes but I'm not really sure how to fix up most of the Daily Beast portion without ruining the entire argument. Didn't edit it as HTML since I figured you'd want to go over the text before adding it to the site. Sorry if it still reads weird, writing isn't really my forte but I tried my best.

>>20206 No, it is the beginning of a revolution.

>>20168 Would becoming a member of the FSF help? Goddamn i hate twitter.

>>20184 I hate that quote because it can be applied to any time in history.

>>20204 > >Feminism is hatred of men >k m8 There is supremacy, and submission. Rulers, and the ruled. Men are not supreme, nor are men the rulers of females today. That is all that needs to be known. Do you enjoy being the ruled? Being the mule, the cattle?

>>20206 >Is this the end of everything we've come to cherish lainons? Ten years ago and prior, everything was run by the actual programmers who wrote the software: not foundations, women, and hangers-on. Now the programmers are dominated by the others and treated as free labour / employees. It does not have to be that way, we can go back.

What happens to Libre software without Stallman? ( ;_;)

>>20248 I can already feel how these new people would slowly twist and pervert everything until it isn't recognizable anymore all in the name of "justice"

>>20236 Are you my ruler or do I rule you. Could there perhaps also be the absence of a ruler-ruled relation? Could this be the intentionality behind Feminism?

>>20141 Lot of anti-anti-Stallman vibes here: https://lobste.rs/s/kei7aa/my_talk_at_microsoft, refreshing to see.

Did RMS not resign until now: https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#24_September_2019_(FSF)?

Keep the thread on topic. Stop the soykaf talk and focus on helping Stallman. >>20226 I couldn't post yesterday. I will take a look at this today.

>>20168 Today on the meows: Sara Mei and the CoC tranny want to make changes that would make the next GPL to be a source available license and not a free software one. This would make any software licensed with a GPL license that include an "or posterior" version clause to be literally one step from being freeware.

>>20257 source?

>>20254 Stallman resigned both CISIL and FSF, but this seems to be the first official anouncement for FSF

We can still fight back, guys. Who's joining me?

>>20261 The links on the post I was replying to. >>20265 Just don’t make this another gamer gate.

>>20266 Any and all movements that get traction will get the Charolettesville treatment from FakeNews media... The ride never ends.

>>20266 I don't see them trying to make it the next GPL as much as they are trying to create a new license for their own principles. So I don't see the conern for this: >This would make any software licensed with a GPL license that include an "or posterior" version clause to be literally one step from being freeware.

>>20268 True. My mistake.

>>20268 GPL is a pipedream anyway, that was never going to be the way free software would impose its will

>>20267 >Charlottesville fake news oh boy please do explain

>>20275 Cmon dude not everyone who marches with swastika banners and chants "jews will not replace us" is a nazi you are really deprecating the term of its value .

>>20150 False flag

>>20278 Too broad. Key concept here is that it's being done specifically to attract undesirables, who then do the discrediting themselves.

KEEP THE THREAD ON TOPIC WE ARE HERE TO HELP STALLMAN Ignore the guy brewing soykaf about his ideology, he could be a Twitter botnet trying to infiltrate us. This is my last warning. My uncle works for Apple.

>>20274 Of course, freedom means more than just a license. This is why they are fighting against DRM, patents and such.

yeah, this is a one big massive soykaf and an oof and a half from the media again. I hope Stallman is able to cope with this and not commit suic

White men demand the arrest of Richard M. Stallman: https://kgov.com/bel/20190916 >* Defending Pedophilia: MIT professor Richard Stallman has made a career of defending pedophilia, yet he remains on staff at the university. We call for his termination, (and arrest). Some lines later: >Today's resource: God's Criminal Justice System: Does the Bible support the death penalty before the crucifixion? How about after the crucifixion? The death penalty forms the centerpiece of the Gospel. The first and last books of the Bible deal with execution, as do the Old and New Testaments generally. Enjoy this presentation of God's ideas about criminal justice. Many Christians pray for an open door to share the Gospel with a friend. That door opens with every newscast, and with the reading of every newspaper, for those who benefit from God's Criminal Justice System. Meanwhile, discover the unique style of Bob Enyart and enjoy all of his teaching tapes.

There's lots of anti-Stallman sentiment from the tech crowd who claim to be FOSS people, but when questioned about their stance on Libre software/hardware, they unequivocally defend proprietary systems and corporations because of the financial contribution or widespread adoption of FOSS software (n.b. for their own profit to the detriment of society). This is the kind of soykaf we're dealing with - the movement has been thoroughly infiltrated with elements that are farthest removed from the ideology at its core.

>>20299 Stop conflating the deeds of the eternal Anglo with that of white people. >>20302 The root of the problem is sponsorships from corporations or, worse, their programmers working on FOSS directly. You get programmers hired by Google and Microsoft and such, and they work on the linux kernel and other FOSS, and there's a lot of those guys, and they do follow their employer's line of thinking and undermine the community from inside. That practice needs to be derezzed or at the very least frowned upon if we want to keep FOSS safe in the long term, we can't have corporations pretend the community is making a decision when it's them doing it.

Pic related, seem he will continue to be a GNUissance, heh. How do you feel about that?

>>20317 The woke crowd couldn't infiltrate the organization that is focused on technology development, interesting. They did infiltrate the Linux Foundation but as developers.

>>20317 >The chief GNUisance Bless that man

Kind of strange that he linked to a Youtube video outright on his front page. I seem to recall him not wanting people to use youtube except with youtube-dl.

>>20317 I think at this point nobody will bother if he stays as the head of GNU. SJWs got what they wanted, now they are moving to different targets. It's not like they cared that much, they feed on attention.

>>20317 The people who wanted Stallman's head only wanted to see him suffer socially (as, surprise surprise, they do not care about anything beyond the surface level appearances of things, hence why "diversity" to them is diversity in skin tones and sexuality rather than diversity in background, philosophy, and so on). They do not care about the utilitarian aspect of things: see how they talk high and mighty about fighting for the little guy but belittle farmers and tradesmen for being poorly educated.

>>20231 yes

https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/info-gnu/2019-09/msg00008.html

>>20320 it's a conspiracy!

>>20329 >The people who wanted Stallman's head only wanted to see him suffer socially (as, surprise surprise, they do not care about anything beyond the surface level appearances of things, Reminds me of: >We don't go to computer conferences to get hit on by fuarrrkING NERDS --t. women "programmers" (who don't program at all)

>>20303 >Stop conflating the deeds of the eternal Anglo with that of white people. White is an English thing, know your history. Anglo-Saxon = white (originally). Irish, welsh, scots (usually), swedes, were not white. Irish were not even "human"

>>20303 Embrace (Opensource good!, not just for devil-may-care hackers!) Extend (+women) Extinguish (you are here). All "contributors" who are not hobbyists but are employed to write the contributions should all be considered one person: the corporate person.

stallman.org header: >I may not be a good leader, but at least I'm a great speaker. >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jskq3-lpQnE ... was this there before? archive.is says no. also a link to the youtube botnet, wtf?

>>20236 Hello there, fascist! I've just come to tell you that your struggle is self-contradicting, manliness is not about dominating women or other men and your mini-speeches are silly. Rethink your life, maybe you'll see that if you stop threatening everyone around you, you'll stop being threatened too.

>>20341 >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jskq3-lpQnE >... was this there before? archive.is says no. also a link to the youtube botnet, wtf? Strange... did someone crack the site or did someone who edits the site for him did this? Or maybe he has gone crazy already.

>>20353 As a speaker, he knows he should reach as much people as possible. He might not like it, but he needs to reach the people who use youtube on a daily basis.

https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/1177594574073520130 i knew a deranged twitter rant was coming.

>>20352 Ok

Distribute dis soykaf!

To the person who made the site, I have made corrections to version 3.1 of your work and suggest you incorporate them into the original. https://se7en-site.neocities.org/articles/stallman.html

ESR: The random women are trying to take GNU from RMS aswell: https://mobile.twitter.com/sarahmei/status/1177594574073520130 >Who pays for the gnu.org website? Are there any paid staff on the project? It sure seems like the @fsf thinks it has found a loophole enabling it to keep funding a serial harasser. #cancelstallman twitter.com/ekm_in_sf/stat… >If the GNU project is sponsored, funded, and run by the @fsf (which their nonprofit paperwork implies), then Stallman cannot continue to run it. >What part of “Stallman’s actions have disqualified him from any leadership role” does the @fsf not understand? Embrace (opensource is good, not just for those hacker nerds!) Extend (+women, +non-programmers, +foundations-run-projects(not benevolent dictator for life who created the project, anymore), +money, +people_who_chase_it, +obey_US_law, +obey_US_morals) Extinguish (WE don't go to TECH conferences to get hit on by NERDS) It's effective. Opensource and FreeSoftware are finished in the USA. No man is going to "join" this "movement" anymore. The programmers are ruled by random women, and non-programmers. I notice that Vladimir Putin does not get this treatment, at least not for long. What is his secret? I'm starting to like Putin for the things that he has tacitly ordered.

>>20370 >Stefan Molyneux I thought u people were a meme. Anyway, yeah, stop spouting your soykaf on lainchan. As for RMS, I think it was not so much SJWs but bad timing. His commentaries came just when the Epstein thing was blowing up. It was just natural, bad luck. But I guess this thread does not allow wrongthink.

Will ESR respond?

Seems to be his prior linking to YouTube was replaced with a page for housing now.

>>20383 Shit, that's not very good. I hope he has some emergency money to afford some more permanent housing in the future. He'd be a good fit in Vermont or Oregon I think, they're more hippieish rather than twitter warriorish. https://stallman.org/seeking-housing.html >>20378 >>20379 >>20380 >>20381 You can respond to multiple posts at once when brewing soykaf, in case you didn't know.

>>20384 theres also a "whats bad about... richard stallman" linking to the selam article, and a "donate to the fsf" linking to the youtube video of him eating of his foot im guessing someone who has access to the site is messing with it

MIT is not a good fit for someone like him.

>>20141 Marc Benioff from SalesForce is behind the attack on GNU and Free Software. He declared death to software long ago. USA Today: "Salesforce CEO leads charge against software" By Jack Gruber July 24, 2007 https://archive.fo/hu6h9 > Its goal, given Benioff's predilection for hyperbole, was ambitious: make software that runs as a service over the Internet — much like a tenant would use electricity and water only as he or she needs them — instead of as an expensive and bulky installation on a company's PCs. The service would chiefly help businesses manage sales operations, tracking leads as they come in and are distributed through the system. > It's no surprise, then, that Salesforce's long-running slogan is "The end of software" — a slap at SAP, Microsoft, Oracle and Siebel Systems, which make most of their money selling bigger software systems. Salesforce, in contrast, sells its product as a service, available over the Web by subscription. But the kicker was that Salesforce's service cost a fraction of its competitors' offerings and was tailored for individual users. > "We don't want to create a company but a movement for on-demand services," Benioff says, smiling in glee. "Siebel is the one-night-stand approach to software. We're like a marriage." > "When you ride the edge of marketing like we do, you can easily fall off and, unfortunately, we occasionally do," Benioff concedes. "But you have to get back on, because you can't win every battle in a long war. You just have to win the war against software."

fuarrrk, Stallman is now homeless and he resigned from GNU. https://www.stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#27_September_2019_(Urgent:_Seeking_housing) https://www.stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#28_September_2019_(GNU_Project) I guess that's the end now. Saying something politically incorrect versus taking away everything from the old man and making him homeless. But that's fine for those motherfuckers. Wonder how long will it take for him to kill himself or die out of stress and illness.

>>20408 >Stallman is now homeless Doubt. He only needs housing for two months. I assume he just wants to time to pick a new place.

>>20408 i find it unlikely since he hasnt posted anything about it on a mailing list ive seen so far. probably volunteers vandalizing the site again. >>20390 like these links, which have been removed now

>>20410 Something fishy about this for sure, I noticed that his RSS feed also contained the most recent GNU update so it's not only an HTML edit (but could've been done further upstream)

>>20187 >These aren't damning for a regular person, but it is for a public figure with honorary positions... If everyone smart enough to see the truth decides truth is irrelevant, then it will be.

Did Stallman personally wrong Sarah Mei somehow? She's the first person to show up to any Stallman controversy to demand blood and has been doing this for years. I can't find any reason why he of all people is the one she dedicated her life to destroying when there's far more toxic tech bros around.

>>20415 stallman is the face of the free software movement. he is the guy telling everyone to control their own computing. salesforce benioff declared war on this a long time ago. he is pushing cloud and saas and the mentality of the free software movement is a problem for them. so they smear and cancel the main person of the movement and then seize the movement and their institutions, put people under your control inside it and problem solved.

>>20410 >probably volunteers vandalizing the site again. Cool people of those volunteers, spoofing and bullying is now how justice works? Or have proprietary guys already perceived the opportunity to finish him and the free software movement and they pay crackers (or just twitter idiots) to do this?

>One of the last original hackers is exiled for wrongthink >This situation was engineered by a handful of people on the internet manipulating social currents, all of whom have shady backgrounds but claim to be doing it for the good of society >One of them works for a company with close ties to the US military >One of them used to work for Red Hat and Intel >One of them works for a company that in no uncertain terms wants to end user controlled software and centralize it all inside corporate machines >One of them makes a career out of causing chaos inside various software development teams and forcing them to sign a doctrine that limits what they can do under threat of social disgrace Cyberpunk is PRESENT DAY! PRESENT TIME! AHAHAHAHAHA!

I suspect Richard Stallman is preparing to commit suicide. Don't do it, Richard.

>>20419 that is the whole of the situation.

>>20419 I don't want it to be the end, not so early

>>20419 Don't know if this is true, but an anon on 4/g/ pointed out this: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/27/lawsuit-claims-salesforce-worked-with-sex-trafficking-site-backpage.html https://archive.fo/BUJGB So human trafficking is fine too for them. They're really shameless, but still they will judge Stallman, because he actually built something great.

These people are succeeding in killing a frail, old man https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#28_September_2019_(GNU_Project) https://stallman.org/seeking-housing.html

Ask Putin to help RMS, RMS is being attacked by feminists: http://letters.kremlin.ru/ Ask Saudi Arabia to help, RMS is being attacked by feminists and is in danger. https://saudiembassy.net/node/2306 And ask them to seek vengeance, if it comes to that. Blood demands blood. All men have benefited from RMS's work, especially other countries.

Aside from less interest, what keeps them from ruining BSD too? FreeBSD CoC is already bad. https://www.freebsd.org/internal/code-of-conduct.html

>>20428 priorities.

>>20419 They're also demanding that EVERYONE involved in current FSF operations resign and be replaced. This whole situation is an aggressive and opportunistic attempt at a free software takeover in disguise. I feel like this is all leading up to the 2020s becoming the decade where we firmly slip into "real" cyberpunk.

>>20428 FreeBSD is already firmly under their grasp, the rest are not relevant enough. OpenBSD is probably next on the chopping block, Theo de Raadt is infamous for his lack of political correctness and would probably be dubbed a "toxic ableist bully who enforces meritocracy rather than inclusion" by people with blue checkmarks. If we start to see increased hostility towards Theo, I think we can safely say that digital independence as a concept is under attack. First was Appelbaum and the Tor Project, then Linus and the Linux Foundation, now RMS and GNU/FSF.

>>20431 mozilla is already gone too.

His website is compromised. Linking to a YouTube video... Saying he's stepping down from GNU just as he said he was saying over email two days ago...

>>20430 They've been trying this for years, if they can't get somebody to betray their own values they'll just make lies and try to get them ousted and lambasted based on lies, exaggerations, double think, and half truths. They will not stop until they have dominated as much as they physically can online with their beliefs and policies, all in the name of "tolerance" and "diversity". Welcome to the future, we asked for this.

>>20431 Yeah, that's one of the risks of putting your name on things. If I were Theo, I'd do it pseudonymously. Then, everything that I say relevant to the project would be said neutrally, even if composing the message takes more time. if I have something to say that isn't strictly related to progressing the project, I use another identity. This way, worst case scenario, whatever I say that could be perceived as toxic will be attributed to a less significant member of the project. The project, like all projects, would have it's share of toxic people, but the master would be immaculate, albeit hermitly.

>I feel like this is all leading up to the 2020s becoming the decade where we firmly slip into "real" cyberpunk. Be careful with that sentiment. My prediction is that, when the world becomes as what you currently think of as 'real' cyberpunk, you will think of something worse that is 'real' cyberpunk,. We have been living in a world akin to a cyberpunk dystopia for ages. The reason that the cyberpunk genre exists, and is so compelling, is because we live in such a world as described by cyberpunk. The initial authors of what we now call cyberpunk, they saw what the world was like in the 'informatic boom', not from the perspective of those with steady lives, who saw great benefit in greater convenience, nor from the perspective of those on top, who got greater and greater luxury at lower and lower costs, but from the perspective of those in poverty. They saw, effectively, what all intelligent persons would see when they look at poverty: that the people in poverty, just to live decently, would have to either: be really clever, able to hack the systems around them, or, know someone who knows, and will tell them, how to deal with the systems around them. People in poverty often do that. That's one of the reasons that I artificially restrict my budget to be below the poverty line, so that I have to be always completely aware of the workings of all the systems that exist around me, so that I can hack my way to get all I need. That keeps me sharp, and gives me 'fresh' (i.e. obvious, if you just look) insights to problems that puzzle people who are trapped in their comfort. That, in turn, gives me far too-much money that I'll never spend. Maybe I'll end up as a cranky old milliardaire, that'd be fun. Probably not. Cyberpunk merely noticed that, with the rise of informatic systems, the clever paupers would start turning to the informatic systems. Many did. More do. Or, the initial cyberpunk authors saw some clever paupers turning to the informatic systems, and thought that that was cool, so they wrote some stories about clever paupers hacking informatics. So, if you want 'real' cyberpunk, be clever (be clever anyway, irregarding your want for cyberpunk), and be, effectively, poor. I don't recommend real poverty, because, in any case, you can get harmed very bad from stuff you can't control, but in poverty, you have less ability to prevent that, and less ability to restore yourself to decency, than if you have sufficient income but choose to restrict yourself.

Statement is GONE from the site. False alarm erryone

>>20441 I guess that's what he gets when he lets volunteers maintain his site.

>>20439 (Pseudo)anonymity is probably the easiest way to combat cancel culture. They can't cancel you if they don't know who you are and every thing you do has a different name on it. Of course, there's a myriad of problems that come with it, not the least of them that if a hacker ever manages to take over your account, it's going to be hard to prove who you are. And the fact that donations would either have to be not disclosed to the government, or have the government have a very good idea of who you are while nobody else does and so nobody would miss you if you just vanished into some blacksite. >>20444 Bullying an old, homeless, severely autistic man after pretending they're on his side. Bravo, they've truly achieved the pinnacle of social justice. I have the feeling Stallman may just seppuku if this continues, and it's probably their goal. Set an example to show that no matter your accomplishments and position and the fact that you haven't done anything, they can still get you.

>>20445 >(Pseudo)anonymity is probably the easiest way to combat cancel culture. That's how opensource was originally.

>>20437 Women in anglo countries have been doing this for centuries.

>>20441 I don't think it's a false alarm, but something is going on behind the scenes for sure. Maybe he had a change of heart?

RMS did not step down from GNU Project, his website was vandalized.

>>20464 http://techrights.org/2019/09/29/fsf-defaced-rms/

Someone else pointed this out, but the comment got deleted somehow, so I'm reposting. On https://www.gnu.org/people/people.html#r , it still says: > [Richard Stallman] (...) served as [GNU's] president until September 2019 implying that he stopped doing so. I guess they overlooked this one in fixing the site.

>>20468 i deleted my own comment because i realized i misread. it's actually talking about him being fsf's president there

This is awful. I really hope rms stays head of GNU at least or gets to go back to FSF president. I wonder if it was an FSF employee - and if so, why?

>>20474 >and if so, why? They smell blood, can't resist

GNU needs Stallman and I'm glad the GNU resignation post is gone from his "blog" site. And I hope he bounces back from all of this garbage.

The new religion claims another victim.

Bumping. This almost made it to page 2. Why has activity died?

>>20341 This video always break my heart. And the comments makes me lose faith in humanity. Not that there is any to begin with.

>>20496 No news

>>19720 While I do know where you are coming from, and agree with you to some extent—not talking about a problem won't solve it. Pedophilia is just one of a few topics that usually triggers some sort of mechanism in our head that averts us from speaking about it. What if no one talked about LGBT, one of the hottest topics in media today. It sure wouldn't be as acceptable as it is today. Now, I'm not saying pedophilia should be accepted—just better understood. We call or society progressive, but is it really? (Food for thought.)

Stallman didn't resign from GNU. He has >I continue to be the Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project. I do not intend to stop any time soon. in the header on his blog now. Wonder what will happen next.

>>20498 seeing that video makes me wonder how hes reacted to all the recent happenings. i wonder if he feels like his work has been ruined, if people wont take him seriously anymore. his updates have been so terse, just brief statements on his web-site, has anyone gotten through to him by email? i was thinking of sending one but he must be swamped already.

Good. GNU is where Stallman can still shine and contribute and be appreciated by people who understand him. I'm glad he didn't crash and burn.

>>20508 > i was thinking of sending one but he must be swamped already. Send him one. More support the better. rms@gnu.org

>>20512 >Good. GNU is where Stallman can still shine and contribute and be appreciated by people who understand him. I'm glad he didn't crash and burn. The practice of programming is essential to being a free software advocate. No programming = not a real advocate (money where mouth is). We've seen "the free software (and opensource)" "community" infiltrated by do-nothings and taken over by them who do not program.

>>20498 >This video always break my heart. And the comments makes me lose faith in humanity. Not that there is any to begin with. normal person pieces of soykaf hate on programmer "nerd". Just like the normal person piece of soykaf women "don't go to tech conferences to get hit on by NEEERRDS".

What would Lain think of RMS? What does lain think of Richard M. Stallman?

>>20517 I imagine she wouldn't like him completely as a person, but would like his message, but that's just my take, Lain doesn't seem like the kind of person that would favor commercialism and the practices we have today with the internet and non-free software.

>>20418 >and they pay crackers (or just twitter idiots) to do this? Crackers would refuse the job.

>>20517 has rms ever given his opinion on lain. i would think someone on /g/ would have asked him about it before, i have seen an email asking about his favorite anime or something.

>>20445 > donations would either have to be not disclosed to the government cryptocurrency is great for this

>(Pseudo)anonymity What is pseudoanonymity? Is it what looks like anonymity, but it isn't? I don't get how nonanonymity that looks like anonymity would be anything but pernacity. >cancel culture What is cancel culture? It looks like just another opaque term that people could use refer to whatever. We're intelligent people, let's be more descriptive. What does it mean to cancel somebody? Perhaps if these terms are explained, I could respond to your statement about pseudoanonymity combatting cancel culture. As it stands, it's just nonesense. >blacksite Again, opaque terminology. >i deleted my own comment because i realized i misread. it's actually talking about him being fsf's president there That's not a good response to being wrong. It would be better to acknowledge the mistake and offer a correction. The only acceptable reason for deleting a comment is that the conversation would be better from that comment being deleted. >if a hacker ever manages to take over your account, it's going to be hard to prove who you are Why would it be necessary to prove who you are? Act such that your actions are valuable. Insist that everyone look at each of your actions as critically as they would look at the actions of an inchoate identity. Write your messages so that people can see the value of the message from the message, not from the person. Set up your systems so that it isn't important who does what, just that what is beneficial to have done is done, and done well. Further, if an intruder gains access to one of the identities, they'll be gaining much less than if the (fewer) identities were larger. There is always the problem of intrusion, but that is a separate question. Regarding the question of (lain, rms): I don't think lain would ever say anything based solely on opinion. She seems to be extremely pragmatic in what she does. lain would certainly be for freedom of software, but GNU isn't free software. Being Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project does not entail having a position in the GNU project. What it suggests to me is that he, irregarding pariahship, will continue his gadfly open-source activism. >We call o[u]r society progressive, but is it really? (Food for thought.) It is progressive. There's no food for thought in that question. That's not to say that everybody in society is for progress. There are many who retard society. For a change to be progress, it has to be a good change. If it's not a good change, it will be reverted. That's the thing about progress, it'll come about one way or another. Because, if something is good, and a person knows it's good, he'd have to be crazy to not accept the good that is it.

>>20543 autism speaks

>>20543 >What is pseudoanonymity? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudonymity >What is cancel culture? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call-out_culture#Cancel_Culture >Again, opaque terminology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_site >Why would it be necessary to prove who you are? Because human (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human) relations are based on past (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past) interactions. >but GNU isn't free software. >will continue his gadfly open-source activism. You could have saved us all a lot of time if you just posted that instead of all the "give definitions!" and wordplay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wordplay). >It is progressive. It's also simultaneously conservative (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism). Pluralism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralism) at work (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_(project_management)).

>>20543 >Why would it be necessary to prove who you are? Because if you're the maintainer of a project and someone has taken over your account and is now in control of the project in question, it's kind of pertinent information for everyone who's installed the program, but they aren't going to believe it without having proof of identity.

>>20561 Simple fix is to run important projects never solo. Group with cross-verification allows individuals to fail. It's burning manhours having multiple people do the same thing of course but it also means better chance on less bugs.

https://twitter.com/blogdiva/status/1173601316872081408

>>20576 >it's sharecropping enriching anti-black misogynists aka protofascists so its a victim olympics participant. Why should we care again? I remember when you walked past the town crazy on the street calmy. Why are we wasting time on them on the internet?

I don't really think random-literally-whos who bitch about RMS are on topic, but if you guys are going to post links to twitter and the other blogs, PLEASE archive them. People who rant on these platforms are usually the type to delete random things. That being said, has anyone found out who fuarrrked around with RMS's site? Can it even be trusted right now?

https://archive.is/ Please use this and just take a screencap of the twitter thread, you don't need to copy and paste things like 2 replies and 0 retweets

The weird nerd world met the weird mainstream world. The nerd world lost and Stallman got hammered. Now can we please just leave him alone for a while to readjust? Maybe he deserved the hits, maybe not, but he's suffered enough.

https://twitter.com/dakami/status/1178549575746904064 https://twitter.com/dakami/status/1178550695139536902 people sure are mad in the replies.

>>20592 Yes, very subtle, now go wage slave somewhere else. We are not NPCs.

How's Stallman doing?

>>20608 Looks like he found housing, and he's still doing his political notes. He thinks a member of the FSF was behind the postings on his site. I'm wondering who the FSF will pick for president at this point too.

Who defaced the page?

>>20613 That makes me feel happy for him. I hope that he can weather this storm and come back to some form of prominence. He's autistic enough to dig his heels in and fight for his beliefs even when they're unpopular or wrong. Hopefully this doesn't actually harm the free software movement in any real way.

>>20632 well the harm is already been done, the defamation of rms is just one link in the chain of events. There's openwashing -- I hate the word though -- everywhere. Like people say how much they love 'open source' and all but what they mean is how they can restrict the definition and make it mean nothing like the free software and even open source people envisioned. Open source now means just be trendy and release soykafty 20LOC js libraries while you get your infrastructure in one of the huge cloud providers and build for oppressive platforms.

"Open source" means software source code that's publicly available. Period. I don't get attempts to twist the term into ideological meanings.

>>20629 What page?

>>20634 Then you are a new user retard who knows nothing about Open Source Initiative nor Free Software

>>20640 rms's personal page

>>20634 Not really, check the modern source available licenses. They are not open source. Open source was always adhering, as a movement, to the four basic freedoms of software users, even if it was for practical reasons.

>>20634 Since your understanding doesn't contain the right to distribute modified copies freely, it's already a lacking definition.

Someone help me. Am I reading this tw33t right? https://mobile.twitter.com/mjg59/status/1178585989012283392?p=v I can still not understand twitter after 10 years. >Dan Kaminsky says: >RMS is weird. So am I. Not as weird, certainly. Maybe I’m safe. For now. I better be careful though. Or perhaps it’ll be news that I’m looking for basic shelter. Because I’m weird, and yet somehow, still alive. Inconvenient. Better not be too weird. Better not be too alive. >Dan Kaminsky replies with a continuation: >Lotta weird kids looking at RMS, seeing what might happen to them someday. What are *you* telling these kids, cancel culture warriors? I know what I’m telling them. It’s going to be ok. People are a little silly now. By the time you grow up, we’ll know better. Greta’s got this >Matthew Garret replies: >Jesus fuarrrk what is wrong with you Did he just reply "Jesus fuarrrk what is wrong with you" to the above two Kaminsky posts or am I missing something? How is "jesus..." a valid reply? I guess it makes sense though since matthew garret's always been a gigantic glitterboy.

^also JS disabled so maybe I can't see what that thread is supposed to look like

>>20679 His second reply is: https://mobile.twitter.com/mjg59/status/1178586739796873217 >Greta Thunberg acts in ways that make people more powerful than her feel uncomfortable. >Richard Stallman acts in ways that make people less powerful than him feel uncomfortable. I disagree. Richard Stallman acts in ways that make people more powerful than him feel uncomfortable by sticking up for the rights and freedoms of those less powerful -- the users of software. RMS is in this situation because he made those in power feel uncomfortable enough to mischaracterize him and quote him out of context.

>>20687 I don't think these two personalities are not comparable in the first place. Thunberg is a propaganda tool being taken advantage of by certain echelons of the establishment. RMS is just autistic.

>>20687 That still doesn't solve my question though. All I can conclude from this thread is gerrit is crying because dan kaminsky wrote a neutral comment about stallman instead of attacking stallman. I wouldn't expect to see this kind of soykaf outside of reddit though.

>>20697 thats just how those kind of people think, if your not with us then you are evil. stallman is hated by sjws because although he agrees with almost everything they care about, he disagrees with a few minor things like made up pronouns or how important diversity is, and that alone makes him a heretic.

>>20640 RMS's page. One of the FSF people apparently.

>>20687 Matthew Garret is a google industrial plant. Free Software is suffering what is termed in industry as Regulatory Capture.

>>20561 > taken over your account and is now in control of the project in question, it's kind of pertinent information for everyone who's installed the program, but they aren't going to believe it without having proof of identity. This is why I sign the hashes of my distribution binaries with PGP. Even if taken over the signing chain, I can at least revoke my PGP key while recreating a new signing key. Those files like SHA256SUMS.txt distributed with OS install images, for example, are signed. So you can verify the checksum, then ensure that the SHA256SUM.txt list has been signed by a valid public key crypto and has valid connections in the PGP trust graph. Many people complain about non encrypted (non HTTPS, e.g. HTTP or torrent) downloads, but when your binaries are signed in this way, it really doesn't matter. You should verify your software signatures anyway, esp. OS images which contain repository signatures for other software, etc. We don't really have a solution to multiple maintainers having control of the main key and pushing out others besides revoking trust in the key from the trust graph, but that won't flag the key as invalid. This is why key positions in the software hierarchy are vulnerable and important even when the code is Free Libre / Open Source.

>>20699 he doesn't even disagree with pronouns he just prefers per instead of plural ones, since he believes it's more linguisticly clear and easy to understand and use.

>>20668 >>20649 >>20641 I stand corrected. Thank you.

https://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-and-gnu

>>20769 oops

Maintainer of Linux-Libre

>>20771 That's good, but how does he feel with the recent FSF and GNU change?

http://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/ They really want to take everything from him and get him to kill himself, don't they.

>>20778 On a strange level, I do understand where they are coming from. I feel that this statement is not malicious, but they just don't want the GNU project to hinge on the ideas of a single entity or individual and instead want to empower GNU maintainers to run the project as they see fit.

>>20779 On the one side I get it, on the other side it's a bit sad to get the opportunity to bash on rms right now amidst the storm. I think even if you express yourself somewhat in a different way, in fact what you accomplish is to just alienate rms even more and side with the sjw trolls and stooges.

>>20778 So much for the "based Latin American anti-feminist patriarchs" defending RMS

>>20778 >GNU is not fulfilling its mission when the behavior of its leader alienates a large part of those we want to reach out to. LOL. Actually the only good thing about GNU was ever RMS (for having sane opinions instead of being a conformist soykaf). GNU software in itself is actually bloated unusable crap.

>>20778 What did they mean by this, are they just saying they do not agree with Stallman, or do they want him to drop GNU entirely? That's really sad.

Sounds like they might be proposing to split GNU into an RMS "GNU1" and a separate "GNU2" (or whatever), and are asking people to consider which one they want to be part of. They apparently have the gcc, binutils, and emacs guys' signatures, so some of the core stuff. Might turn out to be a maintainers' "GNU2" and an ideological free software "GNU1" with RMS at the helm? Or maybe I'm reading too much into it.

>>20778 I have this weird wish that Stallman now returns to programming and his patches and improvement as so good, that they have to accept he's just above them. But I'm afraid he's probably fallen to far behind.

>>20778 >Stallman’s behavior over the years has undermined a core value of the GNU project: the empowerment of all computer users. GNU is not fulfilling its mission when the behavior of its leader alienates a large part of those we want to reach out to. Yeah, so where is the evidence of this "alienation"? This article is literally worse than Selam's, at least she referenced some things, regardless of how incorrect her sources were. This article by Guix is just a bunch of people waving around words without any factual information.

>>20778 >Emacs lead dev turning on Stallman Christ, that's Judas levels of betrayal as far as tech is concerned. He invented it, gave it to him, and now he wants him to stop associating with it? Guix and Guile betraying him stings too, given that his philosophy majorly impacted how they were developed. I guess I will be sticking with NixOS in the functional wars.

>>20788 Project lead is not project. Contributors can fork right off and tell these traitors to stuff their CoC into their terminal. Go ahead, email them. Let them know that these signators are using character assassination and lies to oust the founder of GNU and FSF. git clone https://git.savannah.gnu.org/git/guix.git cd guix git shortlog -s -e -n Stallman gave cretins like Ludovic everything. Now they stab him with lies and deception. No fate is awful enough for them.

>>20800 >Stallman gave cretins like Ludovic everything. Now they stab him with lies and deception. No fate is awful enough for them. I hope the Venezuelan commies kill them.

I don't know anymore, Lains. Unfortunately they seem to have a point. https://wingolog.org/archives/2019/10/08/thoughts-on-rms-and-gnu I mean what Selam and others did were not right and in this particular case Stallman didn't do anything wrong, but as I look at what he did in the past and what's his role in GNU today, I think he's not relevant anymore. I will always be grateful for bringing free software to live, starting GNU, etc. and I will always like him for that. ........................... Never mind, I just have read those links and half of this is Sarah Mei saying nothing concrete, the rest is that Stallman doesn't like plants, and maybe two of these are Stallman actually being creepy. I mean I can imagine it's really unpleasant, when an old man asks you for a date, if you're just 19 and that's a problem, especially if he did things like this many times. But I do not trust Sarah Mei, considering who she works for and what she says about free software and saying tings like "I never learned how to code, because of people like him" is soykaf.

>>20813 >reading what a self proclaimed "bash the fash" male feminist has to say Is your time worth so little? The only points he make is that GNU is about programming, so it doesn't really need a leader; needing a grandiloquent blog post to say that is as retarded as his kool-aid drinking about muh diversity/unwelcome women.

I think its funny that after being under Twitter's microscope for a whole month, all the perfidious cabal have on him is misconstruing his choice of words and his sometimes unseemly behaviour towards MIT students. Nothing about sexual assault, no serious malevolent actions, just being kinda creepy. Which is fair and he should be made accountable for (this means something very different than taking away everything he's worked for, and leaving him homeless at one point). Read this article by someone apart of the corporate cabal https://onezero.medium.com/facing-the-great-reckoning-head-on-8fe434e10630 > Around the world, they are asking for those in Silicon Valley to take their moral responsibilities seriously. This means for elites like her who work at Microsoft. Moral responsibilities for them means allowing everyone to have timeshare access to hardware they don't own and asymmetrical legal action if you so much as try to change any of the source. At no point are the factory workers who made her iPhone apart of her radlib society/ The fact is that these people would rather uber-wealthy Steve Jobs to fuarrrk over entire populations than the fat autist who has been known to ask for dates on a few occasions. fuarrrk these perfidious assholes and their pernicious corporate agenda. They are awful people.

>>20784 it seems my reply was deleted

https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/1181674455606579201 > I found a repo on @github and a matching http://github.io site that is defending Richard Stallman. > Not going to link to it. It's pretty gross. > > My read of @github's ToS makes this sound like a violation. I reported it. > > What odds do you give me that the system works?

>>20822 its already down, pestilent witch, what was the content?

>>20823 can we hex this women? She's an awful person and deserves so much pain. i would have to hold back an urge towards violence if i met her irl.

>>20823 It doesn't seem to be down yet, but I made a mirror https://se7en-site.neocities.org/articles/stallman.html Be sure to mirror as well, and spread this flyer (>>20769) I still have yet to print out and distribute myself.

Does Stallman have the guts to sue for libel? This man has nerves of steel when defending his mission, but what about himself? Can we give him the courage he needs to fight back?

>>20827 He's up against corporate giants, short of finding a one-in-a-million lawyer who will work for free I don't think he has any way of funding a lawsuit. He really isn't that rich.

I see a few people trying to use the situation to generate chaos, even call for violence. That's pathetic.

Thoughts on whether "I am angry women", literal calls for blood, and the guy asking for a hex (!) are forceful reframing or just sad reality? The child brides guy at least feels like a troll.

>>20827 >>20828 He's a public figure, he's pretty much fuarrrked in a defamation lawsuit. Unlike your average Lain, a public figure has to prove intent to defame.

>>20822 >Calling any opposing perspective "gross" Imagine being this much of a meme

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=RMS-No-Radical-GNU-Changes As Chief GNUisance, I'd like to reassure the community that there won't be any radical changes in the GNU Project's goals, principles and policies. I would like to make incremental changes in how some decisions are made, because I won't be here forever and we need to ready others to make GNU Project decisions when I can no longer do so. But these won't lead to unbounded or radical changes. -- Dr Richard Stallman

>>20825 We need to mirror the site more, I have a tor link here: http://7xnvpzgawlibybhap7uw6haqjfm3xkn6z2kgin46qwdjrksh2kxuwqad.onion/stallman.html Anyone with a twitter account ready to respond to her, and actually link the article debunking their point?

Holly fuarrrk, the Guix mailing list is boiling, or at least was because posts got removed - I have some mails archived, but a person sent this: Watch out though, he seems to be a 4chan poster and the domain is gnu.support, not GNU.ORG. https://gnu.support/richard-stallman/Ludovic-Court%C3%A8s-Guix-is-accusing-Stallman-of-Thoughtcrime-on-his-own-domain-GNU-org.html

>>20855 Can you link to the archived posts? >Watch out though, he seems to be a 4chan poster Oh boy. They just don't know to behave, do they. Just look at this IRC log: http://logs.guix.gnu.org/guix/2019-10-09.log#095152 I don't think RMS can be saved ("guilty even if proven innocent"), but kind of "activism" is really not doing the cause any good.

It seems people have given up on protecting RMS and have moved on to dumping gasoline in the fire in order to take everything with him.

>>20857 >Can you link to the archived posts? Yes, but tomorrow, I'm really tired now and the list was flooded with mails, where 10 of all are copies of one mail. >Oh boy. They just don't know to behave, do they. Just look at this IRC log: http://logs.guix.gnu.org/guix/2019-10-09.log#095152 They're useful, emotional idiots only making things worse. At this point paid trolls can now brew soykaf on 4chan to make people defending RMS look like extremists. >I don't think RMS can be saved ("guilty even if proven innocent"), but kind of "activism" is really not doing the cause any good. Forget about RMS, now even GNU can go to hell, if this soykaf doesn't stop. I think someone is using the situation to undermine the free software movement.

>>20860 Okay, as I promised, I have the mails for you. Sorry for the encoding and linear order - mails are garbage. These are both available publicly and premium mails (those which have been removed). GNU is going down, enjoy the time line. This old turtle man destroyed GNU and free software by cumming inside an illegal teen without even knowing! Click to see how it's done!

This one is fresh and interesting, maybe we haven't lost yet: Hi Jean-Louis, Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support> skribis: > * Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net> [2019-10-10 07:09]: >> I have previously asked you privately to stop spamming our mailing >> lists. I am asking you a second time publicly. If you keep disrupting >> our mailing lists your posts will be moderated. > > I cannot expect anything else from you. You’ve made your point now; I see you’ve even set up a web page to collect hatred messages against me. I ask you to stop using the Guix mailing lists for this now. I will propose to the Guix maintainers to put you on a moderation queue if you don’t stop by yourself. Disagreement is fine; attrition is now. My sincere apologies to all the Guix people who are witnessing this. :-( Thanks, Ludo’.

>It seems people have given up on protecting RMS and have moved on to dumping gasoline in the fire in order to take everything with him. If RMS goes down, the world should burn.

>>20860 Subversion has been always the case. MS&Co paid themselves into various OSS projects to steer direction. Bitcoin devs got directly bought by banks. Cancel Culture is now cheaper&more effective to kill competition. Wouldn't be surprising to find out it's paid. MS got raided in the past for spreading FUD about competition among other underhanded soykaf i don't remember anymore.

>>20874 What is the solution?

https://danielpocock.com/what-does-fsf-censor/ fuarrrking soykafheads

Why do the FSF staff censor an email like this supporting the founder of their organization and the founder of the Free Software movement? Has the FSF become another Fake Community? Since raising the issue of censorship in FSF, I received a number of emails from people who feel their own communications have been censored. It looks like censorship is being used for multiple reasons: To censor communications about the lynching of Richard Stallman and hide the voices supporting him To hide the questions about former FSF employee Molly de Blanc and the conflicts of interest that helped her rise to the role of OSI board president. To hide questions about money from Google that has poisoned other organizations ($300,000 to Debian before the Debian Christmas lynchings, €75,000 to FSFE when they abolished community representatives). How much does FSF receive from Google, why do they dodge these questions? Just as MIT Media Lab staff systematically hid donations from convicted sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein, Free Software organizations are systematically hiding donations from Google. Censorship is one of the tools they use to achieve this deception.

https://danielpocock.com/freedom-and-censorship-on-mailing-lists/

https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2019-10/msg00015.html The Free Software Force is gathering support. Welcome to the movement "Back to the August"!! [1]https://twitter.com/GNUcgraph/status/1182296900101427200 [2]https://backtotheaugust.org/ [3]https://fsforce.noblogs.org/ #RiseUPforRMS and Gravitate to GNU [4]http://www.codeartnow.com/gallery-1/freedom/gravitating-to-gnu May the Force be with you! Adrienne G. Thompson Executive Director, GNU C-Graph -- Freedom - no pane, all gaiGN! GNU C-Graph - [5]http://www.gnu.org/software/c-graph Code Art Now - [6]http://codeartnow.com Abertheid Campaign - [7]http://www.abertheid.info Follow me on Twitter @AdrienneGT @GNUcgraph

>>20870 He's really just coming of as crazy. At least he's not as bad as the paedophilia guy. >>20871 How is this good?

>>20875 Attacking is cheaper then defending. The most economic choice is thus destroying whoever threatens you instead of just trying to fend them off. Playing nice or fair is a trap. The history of big corporate success is a history of backstabbing&lawbreaking. It's like the royal court. Everyone is reaching for a handshake with one hand while holding a dagger with the other behind their back. The nerds get fuarrrked cause they got no teeth. These virtue signaling bitches never try to cause trouble with gangs they go for the nerds cause they know they won't get their teeth knocked out. You gotta go for the throat if you don't want to be the victim.

>>20881 >He's really just coming of as crazy. You're talking about Jean Louis? >How is this good? My English is not perfect, I probably misread this >You’ve made your point now; I see you’ve even set up a web page to >collect hatred messages against me. As "I see your point" instead of "you've made". And the sad face > :-( Sorry Lains, I'm probably to tired by this to think clearly. I want it all to have a happy end, so my mind changes my perception, but this all is probably going to end with destroying/dividing GNU and I'll have to find other OS as my home. fuarrrking months of learning Guile, thinking how to improve the Hurd, donating, learning Guix and now thats what I get... It's really hard to contribute to the system that can be soon just a set of useful programs without common goal. The truth is the free software community depended to much on RMS, and the FSF - single point of failure.

>>20885 >You're talking about Jean Louis? Yes. >My English is not perfect, I probably misread this I think so too, he was quasi saying "ok, now shut up". >fuarrrking months of learning Guile, thinking how to improve the Hurd, donating, learning Guix and now thats what I get... You can still contribute, you can still help. RMS might have been backstabed by the wrong people, but the rest can ensure that the project stays on track as fas as possible. When contributing packages, add an innocent pro-RMS signature. When discussion issues in mailing threads, bring up his articles. As you say, it's a single point of failure. If they didn't kick him out, he would have probably died in 10-20 years, where the same issues would have been brought up. Either way, we can ensure that the FSF, GNU and the individual projects stack on track, not by boycotting or abstinence, but by getting more involved, as one should after all!

>>20870 The points you raised to Ludovic were very good, I did not know he deleted emails from mailing list archive, and he did not answer whether he read https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/ and this indicates he is not actually interested in the truth.

OP here. 3.2 is out, update your mirrors. Changelog: Small grammar corrections; List of mirrors ( zeronet and those two>>20837 >>20372 ), the twitter crowd won't stop us. If you have a mirror post it here and I will add it to the page. Mirrors with easy to remember URLs (unlike mine) are very welcome. I've been somewhat inactive because my life and mental health are a mess and I'm still derezzed from 4chin. Keep fighting the good fight lainons.

>>20891 We hit 500 signatures on the petition btw.

>>20891 Also, if you guys could seed the zeronet site that would be great.

>>20891 New mirror of https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/ https://web.archive.org/web/20191011021601/https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/

>>20881 > At least he's not as bad as the paedophilia guy. You talking about Stallman?

>>20886 >You can still contribute, you can still help. RMS might have been backstabed by the wrong people, but the rest can ensure that the project stays on track as fas as possible. When contributing packages, add an innocent pro-RMS signature. When discussion issues in mailing threads, bring up his articles. As you say, it's a single point of failure. If they didn't kick him out, he would have probably died in 10-20 years, where the same issues would have been brought up. Either way, we can ensure that the FSF, GNU and the individual projects stack on track, not by boycotting or abstinence, but by getting more involved, as one should after all! Weak. Enemies need to be physically dealt with in person in any conflict.

>>20900 >Weak. Enemies need to be physically dealt with in person in any conflict. No, you're actually wrong - that's exactly what proprietary users want you to do - they want to split the community and make free software weaker. I don't have to like Ludovic nor any other Guix dev, but as far as I can contribute and make free software stronger generally, it's the right thing to do. I'll make sure they stay on track with protecting all 4 freedoms and they won't waste both the work of RMS and their. Also someone will have to cancel them, when they will make a "mistake" as RMS did. I'll be waiting.

>>20902 >proprietary users Lol the speach enchancer. What I meant was "owners of proprietary software".

Here's also a discussion people from Guix couldn't remove: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnu-system-discuss/2019-10/threads.html So you can read this, because I don't want to waste my time exporting mails from my mailbox - there's just too much of this.

And some interesting, fresh mails. There are important because they show Ludo's opinion, instead of just spilling soykaf: From: Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> To: Mikhail Kryshen <mikhail@kryshen.net> Cc: Guix-devel <Guix-devel@gnu.org>, GNU Guix maintainers <guix-maintainers@gnu.org> Subject: Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 00:25:20 +0200 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) Hi Mikhail, Mikhail Kryshen <mikhail@kryshen.net> skribis: > I'm deeply disappointed to see this. I always thought that the free > software community have strong and independent culture, and it's very > sad to see GNU maintainers, for whose work I have great respect, fall > for the moral panic that is being spread by news and social media [...] > This leads to dissolution of the free software culture and its > ethical values with the influence of media and corporations that are > hostile towards software freedom. I respectfully think that your interpretation is incorrect. Keep in mind that each of the signatories has typically more than 10 years of experience as developer or maintainer of GNU (more than that for some.) They have dedicated a large part of their life to that, and they have worked a lot with GNU and RMS. So it really isn’t about what “the media” said last week or the week before. Perhaps you find our decision hard to understand, or perhaps you disagree with it, but remember that we have a different perspective. RMS created GNU, but GNU has long expanded beyond RMS, and free software has expanded way beyond GNU, too. We must keep it striving and reach out to those who’ve not yet joined us to share the software! Ludo’. ------------------------------------------------------------- From: Catallaxy <catallaxy@protonmail.com> To: Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> Cc: Guix-devel <Guix-devel@gnu.org> Subject: Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 23:49:40 +0000 Reply-To: Catallaxy <catallaxy@protonmail.com> Sender: "Guix-devel" Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> wrote: > So it really isn’t about what > “the media” said last week or the week before. If this is the case then the timing of this move is really very unfortunate. If this is a decision many years in the making then it seems hard to imagine a worse time to publicly act on it than in the midst of the shockingly unfair media pile-on that RMS has been subjected to recently. Anyone looking from outside is of course going to conclude that this action is directly related to the recent and widely publicized public lynching of RMS and not a reaction to other past issues that have not been publicly discussed or disclosed. > We must keep it striving and reach > out to those who’ve not yet joined us to share the software! If it somehow was not clear to you before that this action would drive some people away (including people who already are firmly aligned with the true values of the free software movement) then it should be apparent now. The only reason I'm commenting is to add a voice to emphasize this in the hope that if you failed to realize you would alienate people (which seems to be the opposite of your stated aim) that you will realize it now and reconsider your approach. Freedom has many powerful enemies and I can't have confidence in GNU's ability to stand up to enemies like nation states and global corporations if it is led by people who can't even stand up to a rabid twitter mob and a bunch of agenda driven journalists spreading lies and misrepresentations.

>>20905 >Keep in mind that each of the signatories has typically more than 10 years of experience as developer or maintainer of GNU (more than that for some.) They have dedicated a large part of their life to that, and they have worked a lot with GNU and RMS. So it really isn’t about what “the media” said last week or the week before. That's basically: >I don't like him I agree with you that they are letting themselves be influenced or pressured by the moral panic. When I saw other people doing that online, simply asking them for examples of rms' past "problematic behavior" led to silence or to things that have already been reviewed in OPs article. Maybe ask him to elaborate further and see if he is able to do so. He probably won't and hopefully he will then realize his mistake.

>>20902 You must be new to Free Software. Corporate Entryists are not hobbiest programmers.

>>20908 >I agree with you that they are letting themselves be influenced or pressured by the moral panic. When I saw other people doing that online, simply asking them for examples of rms' past "problematic behavior" led to silence or to things that have already been reviewed in OPs article. No, they are traitors and infiltrators. 10 years is nothing in Free Software, that goes by in the blink of an eye. I've been working on one project alone for 10 years, let alone others.

>>20908 >I agree with you That's not me, I subscribed to the ML and am dumping interesting posts here.

Another glitterboy attacks RMS: https://wingolog.org/archives/2019/10/08/thoughts-on-rms-and-gnu Trying to take his project away from him.

>Muh wumens Quote: The great tragedy of RMS's tenure in the supposedly universalist FSF and GNU projects is that he behaves in a way that is particularly alienating to women. It doesn't take a genius to conclude that if you're personally driving away potential collaborators, that's a bad thing for the organization, and actively harmful to the organization's goals: software freedom is a cause that is explicitly for everyone. We already know that software development in people's free time skews towards privilege: not everyone has the ability to devote many hours per week to what is for many people a hobby, and it follows of course that those that have more privilege in society will be more able to establish a position in the movement. And then on top of these limitations on contributors coming in, we additionally have this negative effect of a toxic culture pushing people out. The result, sadly, is that a significant proportion of those that have stuck with GNU don't see any problems with RMS. The cause of software freedom has always run against the grain of capitalism so GNU people are used to being a bit contrarian, but it has also had the unfortunate effect of creating a cult of personality and a with-us-or-against-us mentality. For some, only a traitor would criticise the GNU project. It's laughable but it's a thing; I prefer to ignore these perspectives. Finally, it must be said that there are a few GNU people for whom it's important to check if the microphone is on before making a joke about rape culture. (Incidentally, RMS had nothing to say on that issue; how useless.)

>>20915 That person isn't part of the bandwagon. They acted before whole `remove stallman` https://wingolog.org/archives/2014/08/18/on-gnu-and-on-hackers

>>20918 Other person here. Slightly unrelated comment and I disint read the links. The internet mob trying to attack rms has been around for a while. They compiled all the “problematic” posts the “journalists” published. They had all this time but curiously didn’t bother reading the originals either, everytime you tried to talk to them and showed why they were wrong they would just say “there are a lot of other things too” but never show any of those that were any better than what we’be seen. Sara and the coc tranny are two of those. On this specific case, if they are not part of the bandwagon they might be the machinists.

>>20916 >i ignore these people opposing me but pls dont ignore me lel

Apparently, the writer of the medium article defaming RMS works for the military. Selam Gano is employed by Triton Systems, Inc. >People should be outraged that a nobody working on automated vehicles for the US military (AKA drones) believes she on a higher moral ground than Stallman, that never hurt anybody.

>>20918 >Unless all entryists act on the same hour on the same day they are totally unrelated. You're a fuarrrking moron.

>>20926 You going to ask Russia for help defending RMS?

>>20928 The Free Software movement is international, that is the reason RMS has given so many talks in China, Russia, Europe and South America. It would be nice if the international community collectively intervened against these corporate and government glitterboys attacking RMS and Free Software.

>>20944 All of the attempts to use the situation to start trouble seem to be falling flat. You need to remember that this is Lainchan, not 8ch*n or Krautch*n or 4ch*n.

>>20944 >It would be nice if the international community collectively intervened against these corporate and government glitterboys attacking RMS and Free Software. It would be. Free software communities aren't communities anymore, they've been brigaded by intelligence contractors (who use mac and windows).

>>20947 >All of the attempts to use the situation to start trouble seem to be falling flat. YOU started the trouble, now you ACCUSE us of doing so, when we are reacting. GO and fuarrrk yourself. >Accuse others of what you yourself are doing. All the pro-RMS and pro-Action comments here and on the mailing lists are deleted by you glitterboyS. The hackers want the enemies of RMS dead.

>>20947 Seem is the key word, you piece of filth. We've asked the embassies of foreign nations directly to intervene. It's up to them if they'll do so.

>>20918 >That person isn't part of the bandwagon. Yes they are.

>>20944 >The Free Software movement is international, that is the reason RMS has given so many talks in China, Russia, Europe and South America. Ask them to do so, have your friends do the same. You can call them, email them, use their contact forms, etc.

Version 3.3 is out, it just changes a h3 tag to h2. If anyone has problems remembering the url just remember that it's a pun with Sterling Archer(from the animated tv series) and Archimedes(the philosopher). Very funny btw. https://sterling-achermedes.github.io/ >>20894 Not sure if an archive counts as a mirror.>>20894

>>20964 And I mistyped the URL, great. https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/

https://twitter.com/cancel_stallman is stallman cancelled? @cancel_stallman this bot was created with a humourous intent, but also out of respect to RMS. recent events have changed it all - please read further in the link below medium.com/@selamie/remov… Joined September 2016

>>20995 At first it was posting RMS jokes, now it just says cancel stallman and paedophilla is bad and muh womens. These people, who turned on Stallman, should all be delt as traitors.

>>20964 https://web.archive.org/web/20191014000329/https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/ Updated archive.org mirror

NEW THREAD ABANDON THIS ONE >>20998