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Why does seemingly everyone hate windows? It's a perfectly fine OS and it's customisation is fluent enough for most people with tools like rain meter. If you could look past the bloat wear and lack of accessibility to more professional individuals, it does the job really well. And im not even going to touch on diver support for most Hardwear cuz mainstream things will always have the best support. If you dislike or hate it please enlighten me >Give me a good reason to switch to Linux Lain.

>>18457 You use the tool that fits the job you need to do. If windows works for you then good for you. But if you care about increasingly asenine and autistic things about your software such as bloat, granular level of customization, versatility of the the unix shell, etc. Then you might consider using any of the NIXes.

>>18457 first of all, microsoft is a big company and that's already a reason, many people don't like it. second, it's basically everywhere, so a lot of actors want to access it to see what's going on, hence some claim it has backdoors. i still wait to anyone presenting cases when microsoft compromised it's software on such level or broke someones bitlocker encryption (i actually know some guys who got their hardware confiscated by police and they haven't been able to access their bitlocked hard drives and usb sticks - we're talking europe here). >but what is it about all that telemetry when you maintain the most used family of operating systems that is expected to run on an unheard broad line up of hardware, you have to collect data. i don't like it as much as anyone else around here, but i understand it. and no, microsoft is not interested in your hentai collection and no, the don't sell it out to advertisers, that's googles field of work. TL;DR: it's fine to use windows as long as you keep an eye on it. you don't have to trust it blindly, but there is no need to mistrust it because you let yourself memed into it by some hardcore foss guys.

>>18457 >botnet comfy Enjoy the surveillance capitalism. Your corporate overlords appreciate your apathy.

>>18468 Ok

>>18457 I don't use windows anymore because I have no need for it. I feel like it has too many features and insecurities that don't work for my day to day (which is just web browsing and programming).

>>18457 Windows is resource heavy, and that is an issue for people with older machines, they can't run the latest version of windows, something linux does a better job at handling with plenty of updated, light-weight distros Not only that, it is arguably laggy even on newer machines, and has tons of anti-consumer features by default, such as automatic updates and telemetry Windows also has an inferior way of installing software compared to linux, managing packages although not as easy as looking for an .exe file at first, is much more convinient once you get the hang of it Window's needs licences and stuff to work, its proprietary and that makes it not only harder to customize, but also a terrible thing security wise To talk about window's and microsoft's fuarrrk-ups would require another post of its own, so i'll just link gnu's list on some of their actions, which includes backdoors, DRMs, forced updates and even collaborations with the NSA https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-microsoft.html

It costs money and you can't even look at the source code. Not just that, but the Windows applications are the same way. I can't even recompile the application for a different architecture, because no source. If the software vendor even cares about my arch, they want a second license fee for something I already purchased, because I want to run it on different machines. The whole process is a spiral of stupidity. Why would I sign up for such abuse when there are free alternatives?

>>18473 Windows remains a thing because a) people are used to it and normal people are too busy to learn a new operating system, b) it comes preinstalled on most PCs, and c) Most of the good art and graphics programs are written for Windows and MacOS, and because macs are expensive most artists and designers and animators are basically stuck on windows

>>18457 the older versions were better, the biggest issues with the newer versions is that they've stopped doing QC and do mandatory auto updating at the same time. This leads to very broken, low quality auto updates that can destroy your productivity with no regard for anything. You can work around it, but needing to fight a war with your own OS just to get it not to update is batshit. I have a w10 laptop i dont use too often but it's incredible to see just how much they fuarrrk up this stuff when i do use it. The laptop will interrupt me by randomly restarting, once had it seize control and demand i restart, it throws nag popups everywhere, and thats not even to mention the objectively awful UI design.

>>18457 Windows is dogshit. I mean if you haven't noticed by now I don't know what to say. What do you even do with it? >bloat wear (sic) Pretty big part of why it's awful. >lack of accessibility to more professional individuals Another pretty big part of why it's awful. >not even going to touch on diver support for most Hardwear cuz mainstream things will always have the best support lmao yeah, if you ignore all the ways it's terrible it seems pretty good. And god I wish all the mainstream stuff had great driver support. The problem is there's enough components and manufacturers now that most windows boxes don't just have 'mainstream' hardware. They have all sorts of crap trying to get along. Maybe you got a lucky configuration. And off the top of my head: It has two control panel interfaces. One was designed for a tablet, because for a while Microsoft was cargo culting the successful tablet manufacturers in a desktop environment for some god-awful reason. But they didn't finish it. You still have to dig up the old control panel to actually change anything in a granular way. And the OS hides it from you. It's like digging through turds. And it has god damn ads in your start menu resembling a website from the early 2000s filled with animated gif banners and popups. Every time I see somebody's machine who hasn't removed that awful crap yet I throw up a little. There's way more. It's not good. It wasn't built lovingly, it was just a big pile of doo-doo that they started stacking more and more turds on and then every once in a while between turds there's a good, modern feature. But it's all precariously teetering on a fundament of turds going back to DOS. Microsoft has never made an original thing, and they have never even made something that wasn't built on the rotting feces of their own old codebase. Does that mean there's a better one? In some ways. But mostly they're all trash. Modern OS design is a problem. It's a very complex, expensive thing to create and the actors that can afford to do so usually develop perverse motivations. People tolerate windows because a lot of popular software (kind of) runs on it, often exclusively. If it weren't for that hook, people wouldn't ever tolerate it. But also because the other platforms are also pretty intolerable. Here's the real hot take: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d85p7JZXNy8

>>18459 >no real examples of backdoors except they had even an explicit key labeled nsakey in older windows that gave a backdoor entry, we have backdoors even on a chip level. It's more than naive to believe they have nothing in win10. >telemetry >nice guys only collecting useful data for bugfixing explain telemetry ignoring settings to disable it if they are so honest Windows meets the criteria of malware by it's behaviour. And let's not forget the issues the company had over the years, they got raided for spreading fud about competitors. Used bribing to establish windows among gov using linux. Then the whole company doctrine of extend extinguish. Gates was also the guy who started the software copyright lobby to allow them to take anti-consumer influence without direct association to themselves. The are operating like cancer. It's only natural to dislike them for it.

Well it depends, if you're a poor thirworlder like me then OS's like linux and BSD are a godsend, but I would apply that to FOSS in general. Aside from being able to just get it, for free no strings attached, nowadays I wouldn't say there are many. Yeah there's the ideology point of view, which is where I stand by now and what keeps me in, I don't want to use proprietary software for the same reason the smug vegan doesn't want to eat meat, I just don't. Nowadays I would just recommend you to try it out, and see how easy it is to spin up services to do neat stuff with your hardware like having a media server or the like, but aside from that, yeah you can use whatever you want lainon, there is nothing to "enlighten" you on. And to those who'll give me soykaf, accept it, not everyone cares about open source as an ideology, not everyone cares about security (heck facebook as a concept shows that), and nowadays everything you can do on Linux aside from low level kernel programming or the like (and if you have to do this you wouldn't be asking this as a question), you can do on windows.

>>18457 Windows is proprietary software, that alone should be reason enough not to use it.

>>18457 Even the entry-level Linux distros that inherit much of the stupid do everything better (except drivers, potentially). They look better, work faster, installing and upgrading software is easier, you have easy access to good software, they have better support for programming, have an actual command line, customization is better, and they generate less distractions. Individually these are minor upgrades but together they actually mean something. If your hardware doesn't experience driver issues, Linux is strictly superior as a "$500 internet machine" OS. If you want to actually do something, what you need depends on what that something is. Generic "automated information processing" is easier on Linux out-of-the-box, but you can slap enough GNU and other Unix-style software on a Windows installation to make that work, too. Not like I've ever tried that though.

I stopped using windows because every year they roll out some new crap and I just want to use the bloody machine. I've realized that they constantly change everything just so you keep yourself invested. I've got tired of that. I wanted to use Linux instead but after a year of "distro-hopping" what I found out that what I really wanted is BSD or Apple. To recommend FreeBSD is safe because it's the most casual one probably. Apple is very good also for sanity. The difference between Apple and BSD is that Apple is better non-geek experience, horrible for liberty, expensive, while BSD is best effort, champion of liberty and you can get it for free. So I found that most (linux) "distributions" are also in constant change and there are a lot of power wars, and they seem to engage in what I'd call fanboy evangelism a lot. So that is not very different from windows for me just executed in a different style. Now if a BSD works on my hardware great, if not I use Linux, if there is some crappy software I need Windows for I use Windows. I also recommend Apple products.

>>18487 Windows moving to SaaS has only caused problems for end users and I hate it. I've been trying for months to find a reliable guide on how to unfuck Windows 10--to firewall off its services, make the appropriate registry changes, etc. I've seen a few but they're not updated. If anyone would like to drop a link I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

I use both. Windows LTSB with simplewall is comfy for everyday use, Linux fits my needs with proper tools. There's no need to go in extreme. I'm pleased to have Linux on my server machine and it's good to use as for a programmer. Nevertheless, Linux desktop is awful and kernel has many problems, too, but for linux fanatics these problems just don't exist. The results and performance heavily depend on your hardware and drivers quality, so every time you try to discuss something you get standard 'works on my machine' replies. Even better if someone tries to say you should compensate bad software with good hardware (e.g 'just buy more ram') Both OSes are as bad as everything is in IT industry, so as long as it works and fits my needs, I'm fine with it. If I'd have money, I'd use Linux+Mac OS. I appreciate the efforts of FOSS movement and the fact that Linux is totally free: that being said, Linux is determined to win the OS war, but it's a long road to go and right now I don't have time to wait.

>>18495 https://github.com/Nummer/Destroy-Windows-10-Spying/releases It's no longer being actively updated, so you can be sure that the chodes at Micropenis, inc are busily working around and undoing all the fixes made here. But it gives you a pretty good first strike against the hosts file, some registry stuff, and has options to get rid of stuff like onedrive, windows defender, all the dumb metro apps, cortana, and the windows store if you want to do that. I run it with at least some of the settings on each Windows 10 install I do.

I've been using microshit for most of my life. Started with DOS as a kid, Win95, etc. Having no programming experience and considering I was never around anyone with the slightest hint of being tech-literate, I'd say I'm currently at a level that's above 99.99% of the population but that still means jack soykaf. To give you an idea, I have never met a single person in real life that uses Linux. Now days it's a miracle to even find people that use a fuarrrking personal computer. As it stands, I'm still stuck with a bunch of de bloated Win7 machines with telemetry removed because I never found the time to learn how to into Linux and/or am too retarded. I've tried dual-booting with some entry level distros like Mint and Antergos but after spending a few days fuarrrking around and managing to not get even the most basic tasks figured out, I gave up. For someone with no experience, making a move to Linux must require weeks of study and a handful of books to be read. And unfortunately I can't justify that at this point in my life. I'll have to wait until I get really desperate and am forced to leave Win7 behind, which is probably not too far off into the future now. I have no intention on moving to any newer windows OS' in the future but god damn I wish the learning curve was a little more forgiving with Linux.

>>18459 >when you maintain the most used family of operating systems that is expected to run on an unheard broad line up of hardware, you have to collect data. i don't like it as much as anyone else around here, but i understand it. and no, microsoft is not interested in your hentai collection and no, the don't sell it out to advertisers, that's googles field of work. > there is no need to mistrust it This is a really strange point of view to me. On one hand, the premise of data collection telemetry that is so embedded in the system that it's never known if it's on or off to the user is deeply troublesome. If it's acceptable for pseudo-anonymized keylogging which you do not benefit from to live on your computer, what other lines are you willing to let them cross? At that point, there are no more red lines you can draw. You've already let them have one of your most basic human dignities. Youve given them your privacy without even demanding to know why they want it. On the other hand, the user benefits of data collection telemetry on the scale and scope that windows deploys it have not been congruous with their claims. A couple times a year there will be a MS blog post about how telemetry data assisted them in fixing minor bugs in things like the native calendar or calculator, and they spin these stories as major victories for the user and an example of good uses of data. but these minor things meaningfully improve no one's computing work. Still, they put significant effort into implementing it, therefore there's a great material benefit for them as a company that they are not comfortable letting us know about. Anecdotally, many MS engineers have mentioned in forums and blog posts that they love the telemetry data because honestly, who wouldn't love to know the most granular details about how people use the software you wrote or the systems you designed? It's academically interesting, but your material benefits from it, so far, are non existent. That they "have to" implement such a thing is on its face isn't believable. They can, and nobody says "no", so they do it. Nobody asks "why", so they do whatever they think they can get away with. None of us can speak to lainon about what to switch to because there's nothing written in the op about what they use their computer to make/do, but being curious about not using windows is a healthy and rational consideration. > because you let yourself memed People who have specific needs in their tools don't make decisions based on cargo cult behavior, and they don't criticize whatever you consider the opposing side of things from a reactionary position like this.

When you need to install a new program, in linux you can just write 'apt install x'. In windows you have to search online and get a downloadable .exe then go through an installer and verify it and then the program will probably be full of advertisements/malware. Windows updates itself at the worst times. Simply put I tend to experience a lot more bugs and random things breaking in windows, and often it is not transparent how to fix it, people just say "click the automatic fix wizard". Customizability is clunky and hard, it's annoying to even disable annoying things like Cortana. Apart from being a surveillance botnet it is quite literally harder to use, but plebs just get used to it and think Linux is harder because it's different

Most people that "hate windows" have trouble understanding duality. Switching tools should come from neccecity. For example at work I was doing non-programming office things like excel, outlook, and translating word documents. But as I moved into the software department, I needed to install things like docker. Eventually WSL didn't cut it and I had to get a second linux machine for development. This doesn't mean "windows is bad," it's just that it's bad for how I do software development. When I go home and make music, most software doesn't run on linux so I use windows.

>>18507 >people just say "click the automatic fix wizard". Or install update KB4206969, or change these registry entries, or reset this, or reinstall that. And then pray that whatever random fix you got from Spicetechexchange actually fixed the problem and it's not caused by something even more poorly-documented. In which case fuarrrk it, time to do a system restore, reformat, or just (convince the client to) live with it. Unless the root cause is immediately obvious, fixing Windows issues is a shotgun approach that makes every power user and sysadmin look and feel like an idiot.

It depends what your use case is. The breaking point for me was the forced updates, and then microsoft just shoving them down my throat even if I didn't want them or tried disabling them. There's history but most people don't care about that. If you care about the history of any of them Microsoft while pretty jewish I put below people like Intel and IBM who to this day commit jewry on scales that fuarrrk you over in new and strange wayslike IBM owning redhat But most of the hate comes from e-ween dickheads who soykaf talk it for no other reason than you're not leet enough for them to respect. Although if you're going to be posting here and some other imageboards especially after this weekend then I'd invest some time in learning to use *nix and use it appropriately. >>18501 >For someone with no experience, making a move to Linux must require weeks of study and a handful of books to be read. And unfortunately I can't justify that at this point in my life. This is very true. It took me several months to learn basic cli soykaf I do automatically now and when you run into one of those real diy situations you're fuarrrked asking a question unless you know the exact program you're looking for. Its not the solution wasn't simple and ridiculously easy, its that you don't know the questions to ask so you're screaming in your head about why wicd isn't working or something. You don't need books though, just patience and a willingness to learn. >I'll have to wait until I get really desperate and am forced to leave Win7 behind, which is probably not too far off into the future now. I have no intention on moving to any newer windows OS' in the future but god damn I wish the learning curve was a little more forgiving with Linux. I recommend a starting disto and then a phase of freetard minimalism a month or two after you learn it just to get the whole hang of it. That way you get a good understanding of the cli, you learn your package manager inside and out, and you learn to actually troubleshoot problems. You also aren't 100% screwed if your distro breaks X or you do something dumb you'll know how to save your data or fix things. This is the way I went about it and it took me about four months to learn all of this. Partitioning was the most abstract soykaf in the world when I started this and now I do it without even thinking about it just by figuring out how replaceable stuff is during an install,

>>18473 >>18474 you don't have to pay for it if you know what your doing

>>18509 >This doesn't mean "windows is bad" True, but several other things do mean that. It's kind of a trashpile. But as others have mentioned, all is relative and most of them are trashpiles. It's a difficult world and there are no ideal solutions.

>>18514 Big mood. I mean I don't think you're even allowed to just order LTSB as an individual. You have to be from some kind of organization and beg Microsoft: "Pretty please, may I have an OS that doesn't shoot gallons jism down my throat on a daily basis?" Gotta steal it. It's way worth it--even if you have the money. They've made piracy a better user experience than just paying for it. Read that sentence twice. That's quite an accomplishment. I could be wrong about LTSB but I think I read that somewhere. Not like I'll ever give MS any money.

>>18514 You have to know what you're doing to get windows source code? Okay kiddo. I'll stick to GPL stuff where source access is part of the license.

>>18501 I've met one person who uses Linux in real-life. That's not actually true, more precisely I've met one real and two semi-real set of people who used Linux in real-life. The one person is an archeologist and a very real person. He is a male and had a lot of girlfriends, he is a real no-bs person. I've never asked why did he use Mint he just did. If I had to guess I think he thought he can't afford windows nor does he need it so he just looked around in the top five and chosen Mint, with the added bonus that he is fluent in French (language of Mint's author), or so would be my guess. The "other two semi-real sets of people" are: one of them is a person, she used Ubuntu after a then-boyfriend taught her. She was a shop assistant. I remember her saying it was not actually more difficult for her after she got the hang of it, just occasionally asking someone. Even the command line, as far as apt-get or copy-pasting goes. I think she ran her shop from it. She told me why but unfortunately I forgot her reason since. It got her the job done and she wasn't hard about it in either direction. The other semi-real "set of people" were a collective of mostly 20-40 mostly girls who decided to jump carriers and set out to learn programming. Above 70% of them chose Linux, primarily Ubuntu, to do so, after consideration. If I had to guess they did so because they understood that to learn to work on servers, as well as to have compatibility with a large set of programmers, that would be a better choice. They generally had zero programming experience beforehand and fared well since. This reminded me about another real person, she is a journalist.

>>18501 >>18513 I used Mint for a year in 2012-2013 and this doesn't sound familiar. Out-of-the-box it worked better than Windows, and just like with Windows, all I had to do was read and click to get what I needed. Now sure I also destroyed my system by uninstalling some important packages, but that was something the package manager UI advised against, and I just wanted to try it. Nothing bad to say about that distro. It does what it does but it does that really well, I think. Or did. Maybe I don't know what it's like today. And now I'm reminded of how different the installation experience is, comparing Windows and Mint. Mint looks amazing during and after the installation, no work required. Windows is in some 640x480 mode even when you boot it up, and when you go looking for your drivers, the first thing IE loads is "HOW MANY TRIANGLES???? 99.1% CAN'T ANSWER THIS!!!"

>>18457 op here, just got the activate windows water mark and i cant get rid of it. now i see why everyone hates it

>>18664 Welcome to the incredibly long, convoluted, frustrating, confusing, and ongoing saga of (correctly) feeling like somebody else owns your computer; you're just borrowing it while they constantly look over your shoulder.

>>18514 > Warez-ing your OS. > Literal botnet.