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Do you guys ever worry that we're being trained? First we had T9, then we had auto-complete, then we had auto-complete that was able to predict the statistically probably next word in a sentence, now we have auto-generated responses that are suggested to you. If you get a text, your phone can just suggest an entire response for you that usually makes a reasonable amount of sense. They are now implementing the same thing for gmail How long exactly until Google and other companies are just writing our correspondences for us entirely? How long until we all write the exact same way because we have the exact same sentence structure and word choice suggested to us by an algorithm?

It's obvious that Google and other big companies use us to train their systems. Remember that if you don't pay for service, you are the product so if you're using Google services like Gmail they just need your data.

T9 was annoyingly useless. auto-complete is wrong very often. auto-complete with prediction is basically just dead screen space. The only thing Google is replacing is boring inane conversation with no intelligence content; stuff that contain intelligence rapidly become unpredictable to any such statistical approach. If you feel like much of your conversation is being guessed, I have some bad news...

it's all leading up to that civilization found in star trek where all war attacks are simulated on computer, and through treaty the populace is killed based on death ratings given by the computer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays We've been being trained as a capitalist consumer class for way longer than most people realize. Tech obviously adds tremendous power and makes it much easier to take metrics and adapt strategies. I really don't believe that meaningful self-determination or democracy is possible any longer in any way that could be deemed legitimate. We're a managed populace with managed opinions, optimized for stability and productivity and profitability. Advertising and PR work far better than anyone would like to admit to themselves.

everything's trying to show you their version of the truth. listen to more than just what you've been taught human language is and make informed decisions for yourself.

Google played with the idea about building a human connected super brain that is able to solve computations all over the world by fragmenting it and letting real humans solve a small piece of it. And funny thing is they did it in the early 00s. This world is already destroyed, we were born too late to stop it.

>Don't use their keyboard >Don't use auto complete >Delete as much google spyware as possible don't give them your data that easy lain

>Don't use their keyboard >Don't use auto complete >Delete as much google spyware as possible don't give them your data that easy lain

oh, we've been trained for a long time. It can take some work to untrain yourself, and you will be a pariah.

>>18305 eh. you'll only be an outcast if you let yourself be. doesn't matter much anyway. to the saints, the common people are like straw dogs.

Stop using Google software, it's just THAT simple.

>>18261 holy fuarrrk mate if you think this is whack you should also really stop watching tv if you havent already its full of all kinds of mind propaganda

>>18301 >>18310 Want to play a game? Block these IPs and see how your internet works. https://ipinfo.io/AS15169 I know it's a neckbeardy opinion, but Google really is out of control. We ought to think twice before handing over so much command of such a critical utility to these creeps. Anything like this that reaches a certain threshold of importance and ubiquitousness should automatically get nationalized and regulated as a not-for-profit public service by default. Should be a minimally-sized government bureaucracy funded by tax dollars and not egregious adtech data-scooping and mass behavior manipulation. But then again I'm pinko scum, so that is probably a bit of an extreme stance in this hyper-corporatist environment we're living in today.

>>18340 TV was the previous model. Almost nobody subjects themselves to TV commercials these days except the elderly who are basically babysat all day by televisions. Which is a big problem since they have nothing to do but go crazy and vote. But the new and improved horror is on the internet. Advertising today is outrageously more sophisticated than TV ads of yesteryear ever were. Which is really saying something. We aren't going to understand the full extent of what it does to the big picture of human culture and society for a good while, and we probably will never be able to reverse it. Like most new tech, it's a bit of a Pandora's box situation.

>>18267 lol no nation would ever, EVER abide by such a treaty. That's kind of an old trope related to the way they fight war in Robot Jox or several other hokey sci-fis of the late twentieth century. Instead of going to war, the nations get two of their best gladiators to duke it out and abide by the demands of the nation who produced the single winning fighter. Yeah, war doesn't happen because it's legal. It happens because there are things the powerful want and they aren't shy about killing almost all of us insects to get them. If war was simulated on a computer or done by proxy with a single fighter, the nation that lost the simulation or the death match would immediately disregard it and invade the 'winning' country the old-fashioned way. All of our war laws and treaties are constantly violated in every single instance. They're a joke. Only groups who have already fought and lost a war are subject to those penalties. When the winners commit those atrocities, it's totally ignored and people forget about it almost instantly. So of course that kind of international law strategy can never actually prevent war in the first place. It only ends up being used as yet another instrument of war.

>>18261 OORC a techno-philosopher actually described how unsettling socia media was, because a trained AI could replicate all human interaction typically carried out on social media. Additionally, the "people who also viewed this product" feature raises the questrion as to whether or not the entire concept of buying things is a trained consumer response, or just a machine trying to guide your desires. autocomplete is just a statistical analysis of your past searches or searches by people in the area of your IP address, so when you type "a-n...." the computer gives your results related to "anime" "animals" etc.

>>18396 adding on to this, the fact that "writing assistance software" like grammarly exists for more than just datamining means that most peoples papers will start to look the same, I am an absolute ludite when it comes to technologically assisted syntax and verbal construction (except for the occasional spell check, because fuarrrk does my grasp of English spelling suck)

>>18310 Theres no alternative

I must totally agree, we are being trained to be same. The education system also forces and trains us to be the same and as time goes by it will eventually happen. I can already see a stereotype being far and wide spread in our youth. Not many are capable or not corrupted enough to produce new ideas. Heck, some directly lost their creativity altogether. I believe this lies in the parents hands as well as the schools. They don't care unless children "fit the mold" and be academically victorious.

>>18299 Cursed

>Do you guys ever worry that we're being trained? That's clearly the case for many or even most people. Ways I fight the examples regarding writing is I simply don't use any such tools. I don't even use a spellchecker, in part because they often use incomplete dictionaries that flag valid words and in part because I simply don't care to configure one. What I use is a dictionary next to my machines, if I need to search for a spelling or a meaning. I find my grammar only adequate, given I've only unconciously internalized many of the rules, yet I'm far ahead of my peers, who struggle spelling basic words. People don't bother even trying to learn a second language nowadays, for the most part; my Latin is beginner's level, yet most people don't know any Latin. Modern society makes it difficult to tell if one is smart , merely smarter, or simply different in some other respect. Questioning oneself and one's own intelligence is a key component of intelligence, however. Now, another way I fight against this is by avoiding the television, all of these services, and I send most of my Internet traffic through Tor, which you should also be doing. If you're not already aware of it, it's important to learn the pattern of questioning why things are the way they are, and you'll often find that things are a certain way for purely historical or even horribly stupid reasons. Once you realize this, you can think about other ways, and improve yourself. This applies to computing, tool design, and probably most anything else you can think of. Even the way we think of numbers is just historical happenstance; why do 2 and 5 look so similar, being so different; consider that. >>18341 >I know it's a neckbeardy opinion, but Google really is out of control. We ought to think twice before handing over so much command of such a critical utility to these creeps. >Anything like this that reaches a certain threshold of importance and ubiquitousness should automatically get nationalized and regulated as a not-for-profit public service by default. The US government allows Google and these other parasitic corporations to exist so it can use them to abuse the populace. The US already has citizen scores, they're just called credit scores and are voluntary. Money itself restricts people in ways a government would like to. You want to go somewhere, well you can't unless you have this much money, in practicality, but there aren't really any laws specifically about freedom of movement. >>18397 I hadn't considered this, but I suppose you're right. I could see value in a tool that scans over a text and tells if it's grammatically correct or not, but I suppose Grammarly goes far beyond that, doesn't it? One solution would be having people write their own systems, so everyone is getting the benefits of using computing for this, without everyone slowly coalescing. I think computing in general would benefit from this mindset, but not many people seem to have the skill or the time. I'm trying to make my way like this, though. >>18465 >The education system also forces and trains us to be the same and as time goes by it will eventually happen. I realized at a point in my education, that I really wasn't learning much and that I'd need to take my education under my own control if I ever wanted to learn. I've been reading ever since; autodidactism is perhaps the best way to learn, given the lack of like-minded people geographically, but the Internet and forums such as this help, I suppose.

Everyone's training everyone. The whole point of communication is to make others think more like you think they aught to. The only way to avoid being trained is to never interact with humanity ever

>>18502 This training is more ill minded to be honest. Me talking, training, with a stranger or a friend is not the same thing.

I heard Capcha is being used to train self-driving cars, that's why it's always a road scene in the pictures thees days.

>>18527 Yeah, it's definitely being used as a ML training set. So let that reassure you next time some bay area VC is talking up the inevitable safety of self-driving cars. They're trained by people who viscerally hate the task they're being given and have no stake or even usually knowledge of what they're doing. And they just want to get through to watch a video or something. Most of the time you can get away with not selecting most of the content in a captcha. This might be old news, but for some of them at least the computer knows only one of them and if you choose that and none of the others it'll believe you.

>>18265 T9 was fantastic and it made me extremely unhappy that they removed it so they could cram a qwerty in a 4 inch screen with a couple weeks of using it i could write insanly fast. Yet another example of how limitations (only 9 keys) can generate genius solutions Imagine trying to write on a qwerty that is 2-3 inches wide...horrendous.

>>18298 just wait until oil runs out and see how fast we revert to simpler times

>>18555 It won't suddenly run out one day. Militaries the world over will scramble to secure the last reserves for themselves and huge wars will begin over what's left. The devastation will be substantial before it's over.

>>>18261 ironically this is very good for obfuscation/privacy. Still a little fuarrrked to think that the only reason they know about this is because of the amount of data they've collected from you. Google/Facebook and whoever else can only do this because you willingly trained a bot to impersonate you.