immutability/permanence

i want to talk about something but cant put it into a category in order to make or find a thread. if such a place exists please help me find a thread anhd ill delete this one >> the internet is wrong, the web is wrong (might even say information infrastructure is wrong) it's all rigid, used as an interface for cold hard databases this is not the way it should be: fluid, fleeting, fast and active the longer a piece of data stays in a database somewhere the more we all suffer this post should not last longer than the time it takes you to read it yet it'll be stuffed into an archive somewhere and exist forever THIS IS WRONG HOW DO FIX IT, IDEAS?

>>18114 Get Alzheimer's?

>>18117

Image boards are only slightly less ephermal than group chats. Nothing shared can have garenteed empherality inasmuch as any participant can document it out of band, but whats more ephermal than a comment on a niche imgboard, 水.

im not saying data shouldn't exist, just that there's no need for it to persist imagine if you could think of a query, ask someone irl, they say yeah I know a guy, go to XXYY and ask him and you go there and talk to the person internet should simulate this, it's a communication tool, not an archiving tool maybe might already be working on this, anyone have any ideas? >>18117 we already did https://workplacepsychology.net/2011/05/18/information-overload-when-information-becomes-noise/ >>18120 >Nothing shared can have garenteed empherality thanks for the terminology (it's a big clue) it doesn't have to be guaranteed just reinforced by reiteration

>>18114 Your post represents what I find wrong with the internet, mainly the idea that it should be used a certain way or do a certain thing. The great thing about the net, in theory at least, is that it's effectively infinite, with there being no real hard limit on how many sites there can be. This means that if you dislike a site or its content, you can instead use a site you like more instead. For example; plenty of people miss the geocities era. But guess what? If you go on neocities and don't venture much outside of neocities, it's as if the 90s never ended. By only visiting sites you like, you can effectively make your own perfect web Why anyone would want to ruin this system by artificially limiting said content is beyond me

>>18123 >with there being no real hard limit on how many sites there can be. this is false. IPv6 fixed some issues but it is still finite and there are a finite number of nodes and everything about the internet is finite. It's just huge.

>>18124 >this is false. IPv6 fixed some issues but it is still finite and there are a finite number of nodes and everything about the internet is finite. It's just huge. Well I'm not the lain from >>18123 but there are actualy to types of infinites (actual infinity and potential infinity): > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actual_infinity the IP range is more like the potential infinity as you can always create IPv8, IPv10 ... and so on, that expands the IP range, but technically some day you could reache the limit of hardware (like it would be hard to make a protocol IPv[number greater then the atoms in the universe]). Does that matter? No! For a single person the number of sites would be more then he or she could see in his lifetime. Also add to this that not every site need a seperate IP address and you can safely say that there is no limit (not in the technical sense but in the sense what a single humen might find). >>18121 >imagine if you could think of a query, ask someone irl, they say yeah I know a guy, go to XXYY and ask him And now imagine that your giveing up the ability to asked google about your technical problem and find a solution in about 20 min in exchange to the ability to know how to contact a person with a similar problem, a person that will anwser you in 24h. OK and now a second exercise. Imagine that your that guy that every one is asking how you solved some problem, and every day you are asked the same question over and over again (by different people). It's just more convenient that the the anwser is stored and can be read by anyone a day from now or a year from now. Thats is why stackoverflow is such a good problem solver for many people, it saves time!

I'm not sure you're going to find many people who want to "fix" a "problem" they often rely on for learning new things. As others have said different places on the net serve different purposes. If you want some weird mission impossible setup where whatever you put on the Internet gets nuked after five minutes, well, do it then, and set it up so the wayback machine or whatever ignores it. You're asking for over thirty years of data, much of it worthwhile to someone, to get tossed out and I'm not really sure why. Of course you might be thinking of places like Facebook that hold every single embarassing fact about you for eternity for your employer's perusal and judgement, but contrary to what the casual Internet user might believe Facebook isn't the Internet and is a whole different can of worms entirely.

>>18136 >You're asking for over thirty years of data, much of it worthwhile to someone, to get tossed out >>18123 >Why anyone would want to ruin this system by artificially limiting said content is beyond me who are you quoting

>>18135 I'm >>18123, and that's basically what I meant. There's technically limits, but few that can't be circumvented, and everyone here will be long dead before any of the issues we can't solve even begin to be a problem

>>18121 >maybe might already be working on this, anyone have any ideas? yes but nvm fixed it

>>18114 You are free to wipe your HDD every day. You could liken this to the Buddhist practice of washing your cup. You are aware of the impermanent nature of reality, yet you use the same cup every day, to hold your rice water before you drink it. Databases are very big cups. Your body is a kind of cup, too. Humanity has, in part, progressed by making ever more elaborate physical metaphors for the human body. You only have to participate in that process if you really want to. I hope this gives you some clarity. Do something nice for a family member if you want to thank me.