Migrating people to privacy respecting services

Have anyone ever dealt with the situation of moving people from certain communication services to more privacy respecting ones? How did it go?

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im in the progress of moving me mum to nextcloud, it just takes time really

Nextcloud is not a social nor a communication service. It's aimed to be a personal server for your files. OP asked about communication services, like social networks or instant messaging The answer : it's difficult because they don't want to leave their friends/contacts. It's why google+ has never been a thing, despite being better than fb. Everyone was already on fb. It has a really high "cluster" effect and you can't leave without feared to lose some of your friends. But if you want a list : For social networks, see ActivityPub, a W3C standard, with multiple servers and clients like : - mastodon - pleroma -GNU social - … for instant messaging, it's depends on what you need, high privacy and anonymity, or more user-friendly ? one of the best secure and anonymous option : ricochet (you just send text messages, nothing more) if you want something else (images, videos, …) there is no satisfying solution right now. I don't recommend tox. Signal is debatable and i would personally not use it. Jami can be an option, the team is small but active. just some difficulties with NAT piercing technologies sometimes. Onionshare for filesharing maybe

>>16364 >Signal is debatable and i would personally not use it. Jami can be an option why would jami be better than signal?

>>16364 What about matrix?

>>16364 Matrix is great (don't use the slow-ass main server tho. It's overpopulated) Or XMPP: newer clients/servers/extensions support a lot of what common users might expect (multidevice, message archiving, multimedia…). Conversations is a good client for android

>>16365 Signal : https://sandervenema.ch/2016/11/why-i-wont-recommend-signal-anymore/ https://drewdevault.com/2018/08/08/Signal.html Jami (aka GNU ring aka SFLphone): decentralized thanks to openDHT https://github.com/savoirfairelinux/opendht not linked to your phone number you can use a proxy >>16366 https://disroot.org/en/blog/matrix-closure

>>16369 >Signal interesting links. thanks.

>>16364 > Nextcloud is not a social nor a communication service. Nextcloud Talk.

Signal is an easy sell now that people tend to prefer using messaging apps instead of texting. These are people that download apps to order pizza so what do they care if you want them to install some weird chat thing to talk to them. From their perspective its just a different color push notification instead of Facebook messenger or WhatsApp. I've even had non-tech people ask me if I use signal. I mean.. they were hard lefty drug addicts, but still. I've been a lot more social on normal person social media lately and one thing I've learned is that a ton of these people use their phone pretty much exclusively. Any chat platform you want them to use better have a good phone client that doesn't eat their cell data or their battery (has Jami/gnu ring fixed this yet?) or they aren't going to bother with it. For some fuarrrking incomprehensible reason people also seem to like chat apps that are tied to phone numbers. I really only like signal for talking to close friends or relatives that know my real name and phone number because I don't want to dox myself with random strangers I meet online (especially if they think I'm someone I'm not). I think the best chance you're going to have getting normal people to use a messaging service that isn't signal is probably xmpp with conversations.im . The app is decently polished. It's got most of the file sending, image embedding features they'd want. It doesn't have a weird peer to peer architecture that's going to confuse them or drain battery. XMPP obviously doesn't hold on to your offline messages in general but I think the conversations server does. Plus it might make them pleasantly nostalgic for AIM. to be honest I'm a bit cautious around conversations because it really seems to be pushing centralization but I'm not sure if I should be. Next in line is something like Jami that has a more contemporary interface and once you tell them its a super secret decentralized hacker chat app they'll probably feel cool using it if they're a certain kind of person. Depends on your audience of course.

>>16405 >phone client that doesn't eat their cell data or their battery how is signal in this regard? and others? anyone that is specially wasteful or specially sparing?

>>16407 Signal uses Google Services for push notifications. https://signal.org/apk allows you to download a Google services-free APK, but it does require a persistent checkin service that does eat battery. Wire works a little better, and conversations (xmpp application) is a superior alternative.

>>16408 correction: https://signal.org/android/apk/

>>16367 Matrix is great if you or someone you know runs a server, it gets resource intensive with too many users. XMPP is nice, but none of the clients I know of support both OMEMO and WebRTC.

"Oh, you are one of those"

Think about your threat model, then consult this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-UlA4-tslROBDS9IqHalWVztqZo7uxlCeKPQ-8uoFOU/edit#gid=0

>>16408 You typed it wrong : https://langis.cloudfrancois.fr/

>>16416 My threat model tells me to avoid Google servers.