(untitled)

When are you going to realize technology is fragile and ephemeral? Drop the pretense of being high-tech and go smash something with a rock like you were born to do

>>7304 obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FrztU7QqB8

That is partially true. A lot of activity in modern society wouldnt be worth anyones time if not for a ruler forcing you under threat of violence, or more commonly now, without economic incentives created by the laws surrounding property and money. which can only exist because of the government enforcing them, under threat of violence. that includes a lot of work involving technology. rocks are still tools though. "technology" is just a way of saying tool-use, with a lot of stupid connotations behind it, and rocks arent especially fragile and ephemeral. Complexity is whats fragile, ephemeral, and often not worth anyones time without the threat of violence someplace or another making it so. we could still have tools that let us do far, far more and support far more people than shaped stone without that, or at least without nearly so much of it.

>>7304 >go smash something with a rock like you were born to do Yeah, let's all drop our clothes, destroy these modern infrastructures and go to jungle and hunt like we're suppose to do.

>>7324 Oh wait, where are all the jungles left?

>>7308 I don't disagree but I feel like we're so driven by our instincts to fight each other that we need this order to progress at all. I want to think this can change, but I'm not optimistic. If I can get the resources, then I'll eventually fuarrrk off to the Rockies || join a techno commune.

>>7324 >neurosuggesting any of that is unreasonable

>>7324 >mfw

>>7336 "Progress"(I dont like that word) would probably be a lot slower without a coercive force guiding people. I dont think itd stop though, nor do I think we'd forget anything we learned so far, or stop using any of the tools we do now that are actually worth making and using. They'd just have to get much simpler, as would applications of new knowledge. No iPhones, but that doesnt mean no handheld computers, necesarially.

but OP, I like living past 25. there are problems with every form of society, every form of government, every instance of human interaction. some iterations are better than others, but this fact is inescapable. Life in any form is a problem to be solved, and while some people see progress as extraneous nonsense to be done away with (some of it is, no doubt) plenty of people are willing to trade the freedom to act on our base instincts for the privilege of living nearly four times as long in mega-tribes that are capable of things our ancestors saw as feats only gods could accomplish. plus, even if we all went primitive today, due to lossy methods of passing wisdom through the generations without technology, and the insatiable need of people to secure better living arrangements, we'd end up right back where we are now in a few thousand years tops. I'm not here to stop you from dropping out of society, that's your business. I'm just advocating for the virtues of modern life, since we tend to take them for granted because we focus on the downsides.

I SMASH YOU HEAD ROCK!!!

>>7361 people didnt die at 25 in the past, retard. We don't live four times as long, maybe ten to fifteen years longer. That stat is because fewer babies and kids die. Stop spreading that gross abuse of statistical averages please

>>7361 >Life in any form is a problem to be solved What do you mean by this? Also, technology grows for the sake of technology. At some point, we will stop being a part of its growth as genetic engineering will have changed humans beyond imagination. AIs will obsolete most of us by then. Our worth in the technological society is solely based on our output for the growth of the system, overlooking human nature and needs. We adapt to the system, for better or worst, modifying our behaviors to satisfy technology. When we are not needed anymore, the system might just exterminate us, or keep us alive to live a purposeless life filled with distractions. Technology does not give freedom, it takes it for us.

>>7361 >people dying because of their dysgenic "common disability" is wrong, even though there is 7 billion people on earth Heard of selective breeding?

>>7361 Just because you vision is blurry doesn't mean you can't recognize something running towards you.

>>7372 "technology" is an abstraction what's definition isnt really that clear. Our society builds the tools it does in the ways it does because of economic incentives, which take the specific forms they do because of the law. If society is ever directed mostly by AI, their goals will probably be getting us to buy soykaf. "technology" doesnt give or take away freedom. A lot of the technology we use now does, but that doesnt mean any technology as useful would. Theres is no arrow of progress pushing things 'forward', towards ever more complexity and specialization, for better or worse. So far its still all human activity. I always feel like full-on kazcynski anti-technologism is based on that idea things go from backwards to forwards, but forwards is bad so we need to go back like things were way way before instead. Their argument as to why forwards is bad is good, but they're wrong to think its 'forwards', and that the only alternative is 'backwards'.

>>7382 Lots of technology get their motivation outside of economics incentives, the economic part is often a consequence of the new technology initially built to fulfill a need. Technology is the direct cause of more or less freedom as we have to burden our self with more objects we have no understanding or control over. Take electric cars. It's not serviceable by the consumer, even mechanics can't fix parts and simply replace them. But as they will be eventually more economically viable than gasoline cars, the option to get a "traditional" car will be harder and harder. The complexity of the car and the reliance on external source for maintenance will limit users to lifestyle closer "civilization". Communities will have to rely on the system for their transportation needs even more than today. Obviously electric cars have lots of benefit, but the cost of that technology on human behavior will still be present on the receipt. I don't think it's possible to go backward of that it's desirable, things just are, and things will just be, but we have to deal with the consequence of technological advance and the society it shaped.

>>7385 > Technology is the direct cause of more or less freedom as we have to burden our self with more objects we have no understanding or control over electric cars aren't "technology", they're "a technology". Tools dont have to be too complex to have any understanding or control over, we dont have to keep using ones that are to ever greater and greater degrees. building and using tools isnt a magical force outside of humanity, its entirely done by humans. lots of the complexity of modern technology is not necessary or inevitable. To be able to support as many people as we have, and more broadly to be able to do as much as we're able to do, we do have to leave some things out of our control or understanding, but not nearly so many as we do now. It doesnt have to be as bad as it is now and it doesnt have to keep getting worse.

>>7386 >we dont have to keep using ones that are to ever greater and greater degrees But we do have to. Most aspect of modern life depends on some technology outside of our control to function inside the system. >building and using tools isnt a magical force outside of humanity Indeed, it's not magical. We can understand the process of humanity creation of tools, we can understand the reasons and the how we got to this point and foresee it's end game. >we do have to leave some things out of our control or understanding, but not nearly so many as we do now. It doesnt have to be as bad as it is now and it doesnt have to keep getting worse It doesn't have to, it's in the realm of possibilities to change enough minds and radically change society to not get for the worse. It's possible technology will somehow respect freedom, but the current state of things does not align this way. The shape of our mind in this ever changing world can't be fully formed around statics truth. There is no stability, we can't even rely on our ancestors wisdom and know-how to guide our existence as their world was radically different than our and so will be the one of our children.