Tech rant thread...

A thread for all of us to do our tech rants. My question is, is it just me or did most former flash web developers just move to the next best browser killing technology known as Javascript? Seriously, why cant web developers stop stuffing everything to the server side? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tefielQeHZY Also... systemd. Who thought that was a good architectural idea?

>>5344 >server side Um, I made a mistake. I meant to say browser side.

People still use flash?

>>5349 Uh no. It's more like web developers that abused flash, now have transitioned to abusing javascript. And javascript is a meta clusterfuck of a language thatwas developed in 10 days.

>>5344 fuarrrk the disgusting, tangled, broken, gangbang of unuseable garbage that is linux audio, there is no reason for it to be broken at all, much less the dumpster fire that it is. There are no words to describe the frustration, and anger of trying to fix something trivial wrong with audio, much less something like JACK issues. I'm a huge fan of free software, and a 6 year linux user, but I'm seriously considering moving to windows, because it's just not worth the hassle, of trying to solve an unsolvable issue. Seriously, what the fuarrrk.

>>5352 I am experiencing similar problems with my gentoo installation. At first I though it was either ALSA or Pulseaudio. But now that i got my external USB sound card working with my headset, I am starting to think that my sound card is busted. PulseAudio has fuarrrked up a lot of Linux audio. And guess what, Lennart Poettering, the inventor of SystemD, is also the one who started PulseAudio. What is the chance that lennart starts the next bad Linux fad is started by Lennart or some other Red hat employee?

>>5353 >What is the chance that lennart starts the next bad Linux fad is started by Lennart or some other Red hat employee? What is the chance that the next bad Linux fad is started by Lennart or some other Red hat employee?

>>5353 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Bsyz53Ljg Obligatory trolling aside, I see exactly what you mean. it took me hours to fix my audio after fuarking up the ncmpcpp visualizer

Honestly, I hate systemd but like the idea of running only a few commands for everything init related. I'd much rather use openrc and a script to imitate what systemd does cli wise than use systemd itself. I've installed gentoo in a VM yet couldn't get xorg to work correctly, even though I compiled a kernel that should've worked with the QEMU virtual hardware. Is installing gentoo on a virtual machine different than installing it on a bare metal machine?

>>5384 Shouldn't be.

>>5344 >is it just me or did most former flash web developers just move to the next best browser killing technology known as Javascript? What alternative would you use?

>>5396 How about server side languages? >>5384 A virtual machine might need different display drivers.

>>5398 >How about server side languages? I can think of situations where js makes more sense. Let's say I want to allow users to change font size for accessibility. Can I do it on server side – yes. Does it makes sense to if I can use js instead – no.

>>5399 It makes sense because the goal should be to unload EVERYTHING from the browser. Browser engines should do one thing and do it well. And that one thing is to render HTML/CSS and nothing else. #makeTheWebHTMLagain. Did you watch OP's video? Font size is a bad example as it can and should be handled in the system or browser options, not in the website itself.

>>5400 >Did you watch OP's video? Yes, and I like some of the points it makes. I generally like Lunduke. His videos are great. But, I still stand by "js often can be best option" followed by "it's not its fault so many sites use it horribly wrong". Let's replace font size with high contrast/alternative theme. Via js, browser must add one class to body. That's it. Result will be instant for the user. It won't need to reload the page. It won't download any extra data. Your page will be slightly bigger, as it must attach little js script and slightly bigger css, but that's like nothing. Doing it by server side on the other hand, requires user to reload page for every change. This means downloading a lot of data and waiting for http request. You can't have instant preview. And you probably still gonna have your css bigger, because it makes sense to implement it that way. On top of that there are tasks, that can't be done without js. Imagine something like openstreetmap.org. It would be painful to use js-free version of it.

>>5400 >Browser engines should do one thing and do it well. And that one thing is to render HTML/CSS and nothing else. #makeTheWebHTMLagain. http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/ http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com/

>>5352 there's definitely a day to day usability tradeoff with linux audio, but i've actually come to like it. i do a decent amount of music production and the routing capabilities of JACK are really far above what you can do with windows audio or even apple coreaudio. that being said, pulseaudio is garbage and trying to get JACK+ALSA+pulse to work together is a complete nightmare. ALSA on its own is actually rather stable and configurable once you get it working.

>>5407 The whole point of CSS was so that users can choose their own theme, whether for accessibility or aesthetics. Doing it with inconsistent scripts sent with every page (or not there at all) seems like a terrible idea. I'm not who you're replying to and I think there could be a role for good js, but that was a poor example. #makeTheWebHtmlAgain

>>5407 >"js often can be best option" followed by "it's not its fault so many sites use it horribly wrong" i agree. imo javascript should only be used for ajax/XHR dynamic content. it should be viewed as a way to provide users with temporary client software for the purpose of specialized communication with the server. it should *not* be used for doing dynamic layout crap or other purely visual things. basically: fuarrrk jquery/angular/whatever the current meme dynamic rendering framework happens to be. the worst offenders are sites that use javascript to completely generate a webpage from scratch rather than just letting your browser stretch the content to fit like it's supposed to.

>>5418 Most users won't touch css even even if they could use some accessibility. Giving on-page option helps those who don't know how to theme it by yourself or don't want to spend time on every single page they visit, with results depending on their skills. But you can easily handle theming by adding single class to your body. Just have default sheet and add overrides like body.darktheme{ ... } body.darktheme p { ... } body.darktheme .myclass{ ... } and so on. Usage of js is minimal (adding one class to body after clicking a button), people can easily edit css without js messing it up. Accessibility goes up.

>>5413 >below to seconds to load and render on phone >looks nice on said phone Now that is an unironically good website.

>>5420 Couldn't one actually change a visual look just by using some hacky html5 and css3 even if it is a bit uncomfortable for the webdev? Or maybe if one uses some of the more experimental html 5.1 or css 3/4 features?

>>5417 I love JACK in theory, shame that it has never worked longer than a month for me, without failing spectacularly, taking my audio down with the ship, and make me have to reinstall, every time I have the delusion that I can set JACK up right this time.

>>5424 I managed to make html5/css3 modal that works nicely, but for now I have no idea if it's possible to do theming that way. If I were to guess, I'd say it's impossible, but I'd like to be proven wrong.

>>5437 My "config" is literally just a script that starts the jack daemon attached to my sound card and connects a virtual loopback device with alsa_in. In my experience simpler is better.

>>5353 I fuarrrking hate that dude. His "my way or the highway" attitude doesn't belong in the free software world. We should kick him out and have him take his soykaf with him.

>>5413 This rant is fuarrrking inspiring. I like it.

>>5417 Which is why when firefox wanted us to install pulse they had to go into the trash. Why do some devs think they have a right to choose what I install on my system?

>>5462 what about libapulse my dude Even if a program has no option to link against plain ALSA / "has to have PulseAudio's API", you can just use that And it's not so much "A RIGHT TO CHOOSE WHAT IS ON MY SYSTEM" as >hmm, nobody uses this lame-ass legacy raw lowlevel API any more. It's just going to cause problems if it accidentally hooks into direct access and the user hasn't configured amix or whatever. Why bother maintaining it at this point

>>5462 >firefox wanted us to install pulse this isn't still the case is it? at least the version in the arch repos doesn't require pulse... >>5471 >nobody uses this lame-ass legacy raw lowlevel API any more i think you're overestimating how difficult it is to both use raw ALSA and write software that supports it. a pulse app has at least as much boilerplate as an alsa app does. it's just that pulse has the very systemd-like problem that once you start using it, it's a pain in the ass to get it to play nice with anything else. running all your sound through pulse is trivial. ALSA is also trivial. ALSA+JACK is pretty easy. running most of your sound through pulse, while also using JACK and/or ALSA is a nightmare. i think that's why people think linux audio is so difficult.

The people who "code for fun" or "self-taught programmers" really piss me off with their soykaf programming skills. I am self taught myself but I am 100x better than these guys their programming style is crap they make soykaf design choices and they haven't built anything bigger than 250 lines or without using a fuarrrkton of dependencies most of them don't know/use any UNIX system. These guys are mostly webglitterboys with javascript/php/*insert web user language here* knowledge. I mostly do C/C++ with Perl and know how to read web user code just staring at their fuarrrking code hurts my brain I blame easy text and video tuts it also has to do with everyone who is not a complete n00b with computers trying to learn programming just QUIT IT do other fuarrrking jobs unless you will do a job related to building software you wont benefit from knowing how to write soykaf programs

>>5480 That is part of why I quit programming and decided to go pure sysadmin. IT college forced me to learn some programming, and while I did get into it for a year or so... I realised that what I was doing was not true computer science. I realised the gazungous amount of complexity that I would go crazy over. I also realised that I simply do not want to work in any job that is a production of products. Regardless if it is software or match boxes as I do not have the nerves to do such. This wall was simply to tall. And I did not want to be one of those guys in the industry, you know, the ones you see now on every corner. On the other hand I believe I have many good traits of a IT administrator. I am big into cybersecurity. I am more of a strategic than a tactical thinker, which would probably translate very well into good policies(i.e. I much more prefer to think about 5 year plans, geopolitics, etc rather than what I am gonna eat for breakfast tomorrow). And a good sys admin, after he finishes the implementation phase essentially becomes a watch dog rather than the continued stress of production. Also whitelist everything, unless my superiors tell me not to.

>>5500 how do you get this job

>>5501 Every single day!!! 100 virtual machines, 100 bash scripts, 100 lamp stacks, and 10 kilometers of CCNA.

>>5500 >And a good sys admin, after he finishes the implementation phase essentially becomes a watch dog rather than the continued stress of production. The grass is always greener until you get there.

>>5522 Well users will always try to fuarrrk you over but that is implied. And I am not saying that there is no stress for sysadmins, on the contrary, sysadmins in fact have stress that goes up in very high spikes once soykaf hoes south. But I think I prefer that.

>>5522 I am >>5525 I forgot to mention that 'sysadmin' is for me really an umbrella term for many different types of jobs. You can be everything from a devops who is basically a half programmer half admin to a IT security officer to the simple junior datacenter operator whose job is to basically stare at a web interface until something happens.

>>5420 Why wouldn't the browser just provide an accessibility mode?

>>5459 >Kick him out. That isn't how it works. Not even with CoCs.

>>5439 The whole point of CSS is themes >>5420 As >>5420 points out, it's up to the browser to make this easy. Also, there's no reason to spend time doing it for every site, your preferences don't change. Just pick a theme oyu like and apply it to everything. I do it myself through a firefox addon called 'dark background light text' Which does exactly what it says, and more (you could choose whatever garish colour combos you like if you wanted to), and it does it all through CSS. It seems modern webdevs have no idea what html and CSS are capable of, and waste all their time trying to replace that functionality in js (and manage the complexity and fragility that comes with it). Check out http://www.csszengarden.com for an example of what's possible in pure css; add in html5 you can get all kinds of whiz-bang responsive animated anti-features to distract from the content if you really want.

Dang, http://www.csszengarden.com/219/ really shows what you can do with just html & css...

>>5539 not only readable, but attractively formatted in a text browser... damn

This is not troubleshooting, I already put Debian on my laptop, so thank you but I do not need your troubleshooting help. Todays rant is a bit more low level and direct: I apologise to the mods if I swear by accident. Arch... Arch... So it turns out I can install gentoo no problem at this point... Arch however... I was trying to install it all day long yesterday...nope, it did not work out. On my first attempt I was feeling cocky so I tried installing it with full disk encryption. I put the encrypted root on sdb which is my SSD. I put the encrypted home onto sda which is my HDD. I ddi everything the way the arch wiki told me to do it...mkinitcpio.conf, /etc/default/grub... I tried it with both the ecnrypt and sd_encrypt hooks, plain mode for sytemd... It did boot onto my root partition always, however during several hours, everything I tried systemd always hanged on trying to decrypt the home partition. YAAAARRGGHHH SYYYSTEMDDDDD Ok. I went for my second attempt. Formatted everything etc... This time I decided to leave my root partition unencrypted. For simplicity I decided to use a passphrase on home encryption. This is how I had it on Debian for years. Again systemd was being systemd and hanged on booting home. On the third attempt I jsut decided to go naked without encryption, as that is how it feels to me. This time it was me just copy pasting the installation guide. from the wiki. I mean I did that in the previous steps as well, but in the previous steps I also did the encryption stuff which was also on the arch wiki. Ok this time at the very least it booted without problems. But soykaf was still breaking left right and center. One of the things I noticed is that lightdm refused to start at all. Several other services were fuarrrked too... But the straw that broke the camels back was this... ...apparently Arch spawned several tmpfs filesystems which took huge amounts of space on my root file system. It took like 3/4 of all space on my ssd and filled it with tmpfs like urandom, /dev/ and 5 other tmpfs partitions. It did not even leave me enough space on root to install lxde. I tried googling the problem but I found no relevant search results. I tried some things on my own, ie.e fiddling with swap, but to no avail. It was 1:30 in the morning so i decided to call it quits. I installed Debian, and yes with an encrypted home(although i still need to take the time to make it open on boot, not you too now Debian(although it boots fine, I just have to decrypt after boot.)). Well I will call for backup tonight. The guys at my local hackerspace have had several arch install parties, so maybe they can help.

>>5622 >So it turns out I can install gentoo no problem at this point... Arch however... That's because Gentoo genuinely is simple. The Arch community is full of insecure teenagers who want to prove how smart they are and the unnecessary complexity is bursting out at the seems. >apparently Arch spawned several tmpfs filesystems which took huge amounts of space on my root file system. I don't understand this bit. I thought tmpfs is RAM based. How can it take space on your SSD? And things in /dev/ are only virtual files for talking with the kernel, they don't take up space either right? My complaint about Arch is the AUR. Hacky bash scripts written by random people to install software that should be in the main repo anyway. It's horrible. Everytime I install Arch I end up compiling 20 different things from AUR and I wonder why I'm not just using portage instead.

>>5623 >I don't understand this bit I don't understand it either but it just did. Bug? >and the unnecessary complexity Apparently they had a beginners guide on the wiki which handholded you. They deemed it unneccessary and just redirected it to the install guide which is more sparse on the details. I understood it, but some others would not.

>>5539 At this point, CSS is no different from what Javascript is. Expect more vulnerabilities given that we already have media query metadata leaks.

>>5625 fair point on css security. i generally like the direction css is going though. moving things like layout formatting and images out of html/js and into a stylesheet really helps with compatibility (see >>5540 ). the more stuff web devs put in the stylesheet the better, because it can be overridden much easier than some messy jquery ui. i'm preparing myself for the oncoming plague of css animation abuse though. that soykaf slows down my browser like nothing else.

Update, I did manage to install Arch with the help of another guy, even with an encrypted home partition... but damn did it leave a bad taste in my mouth.

I don't want to spill soykaf, but I have just about had it with the whole net neutrality debate. It feels like I'm in the same scenario over and over and over again. Not only does it feel like nothing's going to change, but if it does, it's going to be an irreversible one. Is there any possible alternative to the internet?

>>5938 Not living in an oligarchy

And then this happened: http://lunduke.com/ Oof!

>>5344 I'm getting pissed off with Firefox recently. So many useless features and keyboard shortcuts. Accidentally pressing Ctrl+b instead of Ctrl+v, "do you want to book mark this page"? omg nobody every wanted that ever. Why does anyone need a fuarrrking keyboard shortcut to bookmark a page? I might bookmark a page like once a month, I think I can handling navigating the menu options each time. It doesn't even save any time because you still need to answer the prompt after pressing it anyway. And don't get me started on Ctrl+w. Close tab? fuarrrking really? Every decent text editor and command line uses Ctrl+w to delete the last word. Forget you are typing into Firefox and your tab disappears. Thanks for that. Also when you close the last tab the whole fuarrrking browser disappears. What th fuarrrk is the point of that? If I want to close the browser I will click the big red X. I'm not going to sit there closing each individual tab. And what the fuarrrk is Pocket? and Sync? and Persona? and Reader View? Why can't you all just fuarrrk off and leave me alone. I hate Firefox but there is literally nothing else worth using.

>>6048 Reader view is actually pretty useful if you just want to read an article since you can just basically turn it into plain text on a black background. It's really nice on phones. But my personal gripe with Firefox is that now my homepage which is just a local HTML file no longer works for new tabs.

>>5951 Excuse me friend. I was wondering if you could direct me to the high tech utopia of my dreams. I know it's around here somewhere.

>>6048 >Accidentally pressing Ctrl+b instead of Ctrl+v Sounds like you should try to improve your accuracy by learning how to touch-type. >And don't get me started on Ctrl+w. Close tab? fuarrrking really? Just immediately press Ctrl+Shift+t, you'll get everything back. >Also when you close the last tab the whole fuarrrking browser disappears. Now I know you're just trolling. You didn't even try to change it did you? I remember a nice button to change this behavior, I can't find it in anymore about:preferences, however a simple search will land you pages like this: https://www.howtogeek.com/264880/how-to-prevent-firefox-from-exiting-when-you-close-the-last-tab/ . If you want to disable keyboard shortcuts, you should try to install an addon such as vimfx/vimium/saka-keys and just remap the shortcuts you don't want to deal with anymore to an action that does nothing. I'll agree with you about extensions though. Pocket really shouldn't be shipped with the browser and reader view should just be remade as an addon. Although I don't use it, I think it's normal for Sync to be shipped with Firefox (you don't want to give extensions access to your password store, history and things like that do you?) and I don't know what you're talking about with Personas, I can't find anything about it in Firefox. >>6049 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/new-tab-override/ Use this. I'm pretty sure once the file is loaded into the webextension you could try to find it in your localstorage and manually update the database, effectively getting the old file:/// behavior back.

>>6063 It's all retarded by default I think is his point. And many things can't be fixed without addons (i.e. arbitrary code from random third parties). >Sounds like you should try to improve your accuracy by learning how to touch-type. What a glitterboy.

>>6064 >It's all retarded by default I think is his point. Well I disagree. It seems pretty intuitive to me and the behavior a beginner would expect of Firefox. Complaining about the defaults being bad for an advanced user doesn't make sense since the advanced user knows how to change the behaviors he doesn't like.

>>6077 You can't change the keyboard shortcuts so no.

>>6079 Yes you can. Just install something like vimperator/vimium/vimfx/saka-key/tridactyl.

>>6085 >Yes you can. Just install something like vimperator/vimium/vimfx/saka-key/tridactyl. Install some random auto-updating addon to fix Firefox's retarded defaults? Then in 6 months time the developer forgets to renew his domain and Russian teenagers buys it push out malware and steal all my passwords? Good plan.

>>5511 Improved

>>6091 >Install some random auto-updating addon to fix Firefox's retarded defaults? You can disable auto-updates. >Then in 6 months time the developer forgets to renew his domain and Russian teenagers buys it push out malware and steal all my passwords? - Firefox has been reviewing addons that get pushed to AMO for a while now. - With webextensions you can see which permissions the addon is asking for. - Vimium is used by about 10,000 people on Firefox and 250,000 people on Chrome, it is unlikely for it to go down without at least one of the 100 contributors it has had over the course of its development step up to the plate. - Even if it did go under, you could just copy the source code, build the extension yourself and add it to your browser locally.

>>6085 half of these addons won't be ported, those that were don't work on the about: pages anymore, you also can't use them to focus on the adress bar. Even then it's still retarded to have to install an addon to customize that kind of basic thing

>>6115 >half of these addons won't be ported Half of them were and many new ones were created. >those that were don't work on the about: pages anymore That is true, however I'm willing to bet that you spend less than 0.001% of your time on about: pages. >you also can't use them to focus on the adress bar Some of them make it so you don't have to. tridactyl for example provides its own vimperator/pentadactyl-like bar which is much more powerful than the default url bar. >it's still retarded to have to install an addon to customize that kind of basic thing I disagree. In my opinion, the less and less stuff there is by default in the browser, the better it is. If Mozilla started including features just because 0.5% of Firefox users might use it we'll end up with a bloated browser. This is why I think they should stop shipping Pocket with Firefox.

>>6122 > I disagree. In my opinion, the less and less stuff there is by default in the browser, the better it is. If Mozilla started including features just because 0.5% of Firefox users might use it we'll end up with a bloated browser. This is why I think they should stop shipping Pocket with Firefox. You should use old opera. Many power users loved it for having a mail client, an irc client, a torrent client, several sets of mouse gestures, keyboard spatial navigation,etc... In fact it was more like an internet suite, like Seamonkey and less like Firefox or Chrome.

>>6123 >You should use old opera. Ironically enough, I did until they abandonned Presto for Webkit. It's what got me into using an RSS reader, a native desktop client, torrents... I even often used the builtin proxy (I think it was named "turbo mode"?). But it's been five years now, and I have considerably more experience in software design. I think the best way to build software for the masses is to have a simple product with the smallest amount of buttons in order to avoid confusing the user. The best way to build software for advanced users is to provide a minimal but extremely customizable and extendable core. I think this is the path Mozilla is trying to follow with Firefox. Firefox's about:preferences has gotten emptier with each release and yet Firefox is actively trying to increase the amount of WebExtension APIs it offers: https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2017/11/20/extensions-in-firefox-58/ , https://webextensions-experiments.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ .

>>6114 >You can disable auto-updates. >you could just copy the source code, build the extension yourself· Now bugs and security vulnerabilities don't get fixed. >- Firefox has been reviewing addons that get pushed to AMO for a while now. It doesn't matter if Mozilla thinks the extension looks ok after a basic review. You are completely trusting the extension developer to never do anything bad or lose control of his infrastructure. Every extension you install is a risk whether you understand it or not. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/08/02/chrome_web_developer_extension_hacked/ >>6122 >In my opinion, the less and less stuff there is by default in the browser, the better it is. Yes but extensions are a tradeoff. An extension for some retarded piece of soykaf like Pocket, sure. An extension to stop Firefox closing the tab when you press ctrl+w, no.

I've been looking all over the place for a (decent) and most importantly cheap e-reader. It's frustrating to see old comfy devices go out of production jacking their price up to ridicilous ammounts. If that wasn't enough it seems like there are none left which still have physical buttons and/or backlight and/or aren't expensive

Protonmail is soykaf. "Hurr durr we support free software but we're not giving you the source code of our android app nor publishing it somewhere else than the Google Play store" "Hurr durr we support free software but we're not giving you the code of our desktop bridge nor releasing the linux version first" "Hurr durr let's use our own protocol instead of relying on well known and well-tested protocols" fuarrrking idiots

>>6838 Yeah I fell into the Protonmail trap and I don't know how to get away now. You'd think this kind of thing would be free from bullsoykaf vendor lockin games but nope.

Windows; Windows in general. Its lack of customization, which requires hours of fingerbanging to get anything thats ok to look at in the dark without burning your eyes. Nevermind the sketchy software to make it anywhere near as comfy as linux rice. The neverending horsefuck it takes to update, Christ's dusty nuts you mean to tell me that on this fresh install of 7 Pro you can't find one fuarrrking update but the .net framework is going to soykaf the bed every time I try to run an executable. Or DirectX will whinge that it can't find msvcp100.dll. So what do you do? Well of course you have to reinstall the operating system and hope for it to have gotten everything right this time around. It didn't well tough fuarrrking luck, oh and sorry but windows can't detect the ethernet drivers nor can it detect the network card so you've got to dig out the tp-links install disc and hope that will install without a problem now go plug in a usb the size of pubic hair and hope you can connect to the internet for microsoft to tell you that you should just install windows 10. Or another one of my fuarrrking favorites from those fuarrrking brown-skinned fools is "You need to contact the publisher". Nothing makes me feel more rage than "You need to contact the publisher". Its your fuarrrking framework soykafting the bed, Bethesda does not make DirectX you people do. "Well install Windows 10 and let it overwrite your BIOS" Wine has these dll's that can be made to function, your operating system which I have to install for someone who is to fuarrrking afraid to use linux can't run fuarrrking dosbox but wine on the puppylinux usb I did to recover their fuarrrking files can? Windows 10 burns their computer to soykaf sucking up the emmc chip, slows the machine down to being unusable. Because gosh darn it those updates make me feel so secure! While you're making me safe Microsoft can you shove bubble wrap down my throat so I don't break my neck? Now the daemon fuarrrking spawn of Microsoft and Kiketel UEFI/EFI, who the fuarrrk actually wanted this? Anyone who needs to prevent their computer from being compromised at boot time already had a proper security option available >set Supervisor Password >set Boot Order >Encrypt Hard Drive for extra safety Problem taken care of, but no we need UEFI/EFI to make it damn near impossible to put linux on a netbook or a desktop. Lets restrict the filesystems you can have your computer boot into, that ext4 filesystem is where viruses come from y'know! Oh and lets just put a fuarrrking OS in the CPU! "OOH I can go use a browser from the BIOS. I HAX0R NOW" What the hell was someone thinking when they put this forward, my CPU can now connect to the internet. Fantastic its not like that hasn't been a consistent fuarrrking problem for Operating Systems for years, the CPU will do a lot better trust us. Nevermind the fact that network problems on a Windows machine almost always boil down to resetting the router and praying that windows can figure out what a gateway is. Doing the cli on windows(haven't tried powershell yet) is like developing a brain tumor. I can't copy and paste commands. The formatting is off; well, everything is formatted perfectly if I was on a gameboy color. And you know, because all that networking is fuarrrked up you have to bring in files via usb. Better pray to god you're using an approved NTFS, fat32 or exfat properly formatted filesystem on that thing. You're not well let us pick that out for you. It's like picking out whether I want to be painfully sodomized in the mouth or in my anus. I have more, but thats what I feel like typing about so far.

>>5344 I hate when anyone uses gifs, outdated POS format that kills performance.

>>7084 >oh and sorry but windows can't detect the ethernet drivers nor can it detect the network card so you've got to dig out the tp-links install disc and hope that will install without a problem I'm in this situation right now. Windows 10 updated and somehow the update broke my network adapter driver. What fuarrrking idiot microsoft dev thought that would make for a good update? It doesn't matter much. I'm in my Linux partition 99% of the time anyway and have downloaded the driver, but god damn if I didn't need to have Windows installed I wouldn't.

>>7084 Microsoft isn't dumb. They are just playing a game called capitalism. Since every PC ever made comes with Windows preinstalled, Linux takes effort and courage for a normal person to install and OSX is 5 times the price, they literally have to do nothing to keep their market share. They don't give a soykaf about making desktop users happy. Everytime you buy a new PC you already paid the Windows tax. >Now the daemon fuarrrking spawn of Microsoft and Kiketel UEFI/EFI, who the fuarrrk actually wanted this? Companies. They actually have a choice. If Windows is too soykaf or expensive to keep running they will switch to Linux/OSX. Google has already done that. Munich city did that for a while until the new mayor was bribed to switch back to Windows. Don't get mad about features making no sense for you because you were never the customer, you are just the victim. >Oh and lets just put a fuarrrking OS in the CPU! That's got nothing to do with Microsoft. >Doing the cli on windows(haven't tried powershell yet) is like developing a brain tumor. Absolutely. Powershell is completely retarded too but in a different way.

>>7106 You understand that before windows 10 the average norma lf ag customer didn't want to buy used computers. I now have to pay $10-$15 more on used machines in my area just to get crappy a dual core laptop from 7 years ago. >Don't get mad about features making no sense for you because you were never the customer, you are just the victim I would say yes to this if it wasn't for the fact Microsoft and Intel segment their devices and software by market. The average person isn't running around running Windows 10 Enterprise. They're running Windows 10 home or some soykaf. The capabilities of what you can do by os with windows is fuarrrking huge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10_editions#Comparison_chart https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions#Comparison_chart >Thats got nothing to do with Microsoft No they're just the primary beneficiary by 2020. Everyone will have an approved filesystem, and a corporate approved operating system. <But they won't take away your ability to boot GNU/Linux or BSD! You're right it'll just get broken in an update, or it'll be a patch because that open source has too many security flaws y'know; proprietary software is the only way to be safe. The amount of things Intel/Microsoft could do together to screw people once UEFI/EFI is fully implemented is going to make people soykaf bricks. Forced obsolescence for Windows Operating Systems, companies pay Intel to fuarrrk up certain hardware of competitors or their own to make people switch. And even with Meltdown and Spectre I haven't seen one bit of indignation in the meatspace over Intel's laziness. https://archive.fo/1WDRu >Absolutely. Powershell is completely retarded too but in a different way. I would love to hear about this, they force us to work in Windows at my school and thats up on the roster for me this year. If it's like bash I think I could be okay with it.

>>7107 >The capabilities of what you can do by os with windows is fuarrrking huge They just disable features in the soykafmuncher builds so they can charge companies more money for the enterprise edition. >The amount of things Intel/Microsoft could do together to screw people once UEFI/EFI is fully implemented is going to make people soykaf bricks. That would imply Intel and Microsoft own UEFI in some way. They don't. Do you even know what UEFI is? Or is it just a boogyman you pin all your conspiracy theories on? ><But they won't take away your ability to boot GNU/Linux or BSD! That's correct they won't. You think the only people using Linux are overweight neckbeards living in their parent's basement? >I would love to hear about this, they force us to work in Windows at my school and thats up on the roster for me this year. >If it's like bash I think I could be okay with it. The Unix shell is completely text based and that's what makes it simple and flexible. Powershell is its own object oriented language. Instead of text, commands return objects so you need to figure out what methods and fields they expose before you can use them which makes things awkward.

>>7111 >They just disable features in the soykafmuncher builds so they can charge companies more money for the enterprise edition. That is the problem. Greed is the problem here, shortsighted greed. >That would imply Intel and Microsoft own UEFI in some way. They don't. Do you even know what UEFI is? Or is it just a boogyman you pin all your conspiracy theories on? They are the pushers and beneficiaries. I would complain about AMD and ARM's involvement, but I have to deal more with Intel, because that's all thats available consumer wise where I live. UEFI is something that takes away consumer choice for no discernible gain. My point on that is, Intel and Microsoft who already dominate the industry in the consumer market for computers are going to lock you into certain operating systems by restricting choice. Once locked in they're going to abuse the customer by doing Apple's stunts with forced obsolescence. Companies are going to pay money to have certain hardware get screwed in the next update or to give selective performance boosts. This isn't a boogeyman, this is a capability they have and are developing. The only thing Microsoft is pissed about is that it didn't get the Search Engine, Mobile and Browser Markets locked down through Bing, Nokia Lumia, and Microsoft Edge. Everything coming out of UEFI is designed to eventually fuarrrk the user. >Instead of text, commands return objects so you need to figure out what methods and fields they expose before you can use them which makes things awkward. So they went from an outdated kind of crap design to one thats absolutely retarded.

>>7111 UEFI is definitely pushed by Microsoft because most BSD and Linux developers, even from RedHat opposed it. UEFI does same things coreboot and GRUB could do 5 years before it, but in a bloated proprietary way. Network boot, custom hardware drivers, firmware loading, fancy GUI setup menu, web browser and live chat with tech support, coreboot plus payloads can do them all. Name one thing UEFI is needed for. Oh yeah, backdoor injection, evil maid and hardware DRM. That's it, no other uses coreboot can't already do.

>>7132 >>7135 I think you guys are getting confused between UEFI and secure boot. They're not the same thing.

>>7107 > No they're just the primary beneficiary by 2020. I actually see things going in the opposite direction. MS seems to be all about shil ling their crappy hardware these days while they lose more and more market share to linux. Idk if they will ever fully lose their #1 position but I think it's a good sign that most games and graphics engines are multi OS compatible (because fuarrrk directx) within the last 5 years. IN the meantime I'm slowly convincing my friends to switch to Arch because win10 is such a soykaf piece of software. I told them to not fuarrrk with trashbuntu/mint because honestly wanting something that 'just werks like mac/win' means you get a soykaftier version of OS X. >powershell so so many exploits that aren't even technically vulns, just oversights. love it.

>>7145 >I actually see things going in the opposite direction. MS seems to be all about shil ling their crappy hardware these days while they lose more and more market share to linux. Idk if they will ever fully lose their #1 position but I think it's a good sign that most games and graphics engines are multi OS compatible (because fuarrrk directx) within the last 5 years. Microsoft has had to shi l l and at points bribe to keep itself in the server market. They dominate the small business stuff with their server software, just because its easier to get Microsofts people to come in and do it for you than learn POSIX/Linux/Unix/Whatever and do it yourself for free. But that just may be where I live compared to others if its not I'm amazed. I don't see much desire for change in terms of the home computer market, but regular people are now tossing around linux as an idea when they get angry with Win10 updates so thats a thing. Plus gamers or their suppliers(MSI, Alienware, ASUS, Gigabyte) are the one's who if they change and swap over to linux/open source or supporting it, then Microsoft will crap concrete. >IN the meantime I'm slowly convincing my friends to switch to Arch because win10 is such a soykaf piece of software. I told them to not fuarrrk with trashbuntu/mint because honestly wanting something that 'just werks like mac/win' means you get a soykaftier version of OS X. To be honest the differences between Ubuntu, Mint, and Debian as for what I could tell are the DE's. With the exception of Mint's init system, the other two literally offer the exact same crap as far as packages go, and the amount of dependencies they pull in. Hand your friend Mint and either rice it for him or show him how to rice a desktop. Putting someone on Arch without them learning and doing the install is going to get you a phonecall saying everything's broken when they use yaourt and fuarrrk up some dependencies. If they can't install it bottom up without you there its best not to introduce them to it. >so so many exploits that aren't even technically vulns, just oversights. love it. Any examples? I know they had that photo of Linus smiling like a jackass at their building during that gay little Microsoft Love's Linux Powershell promo. So I'd love to have some stuff to screw around with when I get bored.

Systemd cucking you yet again? Bitch about it here. Xmodmap and the xkb system is awful. Documentation is poor, and you have to find coherent explanations scattered across the web. There are multiple ways of doing the same thing, which results in your xmodmap looking weird if you can't figure out what you're doing. X documentation in general is awful. fuarrrk everything about it. For anyone who has to deal with this soykaf you can use my xmodmap file as reference: http://0x0.st/sbbx.txt What did you deal with today, lain?

Systemd when systemd breaks now it breaks everything. Everything. Because its wormed its way into every part of the OS.

>>7748 I don't see what systemd has to do with xmodmap. Is this just a general rant thread? (I thought we already had one of those) Or are you so incompetent that you just blame systemd for all your technical problems?