How 2 Fight?

I've always had strength, but I've never been a fighter. The only person in my family that knows how to fight is my cousin; he learned karate when he was a kid, now he collects katanas. No joke, his collection is impressive. Anyhow, that's not the point. How do I throw nose-breaking punches, soul-crushing shinkicks, etc, without being a skilled martial artist? I want to be able to defend myself from street punks without committing firearm homicide, preferably I want to look badass whilst defending myself. I want to go out drinking and find new joys in life alone, without worrying about assholes fuarrrking with me. What's a guy to do, /diy/?

>>9442 >how like everything else in life.. through experience. Go start fights and get your ass kicked. That's how people learn anything.

Practice and excercise. If you dont have the time/money/energy to go to a professional trainer, get a punching bag and just practice punching/kicking until you can do it in your sleep and look so buff nobody will want to fight.

>>9442 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krav_Maga

>How do I throw nose-breaking punches, soul-crushing shinkicks, etc >without being a skilled martial artist? lol.

an effective punch is full body motion. it starts and ends in the big toe. your body is a spring. study mike tyson.

>>9442 some book on how 2 fite always remember nevr 2 fitebut if you do, only fite to absolutely end yur opponent

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=T3YXv8Le01s >>9442 I value the judo class I took in Uni for teaching me confidence and more importantly, the physical reality that some guys can just fuarrrk me up with their size and skill which I will never match. Fighting is a physical skill and you'll only be good with constant practice and maintaining athleticism. Check out local community college self defense clubs or ju jitsu clubs. Getting out there and getting manhandled by others &visaversa will teach you what's realistic, and be a great first step/confidence builder. Even more, I value wrekt/fight threads for showing me the consequences of fighting. You owe it to yourself to watch a couple fights where one guy bangs his head going down, or is otherwise crippled over bravado. Try 4chan's gif, watchpeopledie.tv, or activeselfprotection on YouTube(speed through the fat retard). These two steps should show you the basics of fighting, and the risk level. Personally, I'm confident in my living in a safe area, and being a fit white belt with pepper spray I can deploy quickly. If I were planning on going out and fighting, I'd train a martial art which competes under fairly realistic conditions, and do at least some fights at the amateur level. If you don't compete, you'll end up just larping, as seen in 'tactical' crap and crav maga, since doing what works really is like kicking dead whales down the beach, and you'll get lazy. If you have too many restrictions, like wing chun, you also lose practicality, but this is a lesser sin, since you're still building aggression and athleticism. I'd recommend boxing for an 'advanced' martial art. You WILL sustain brain damage, but you'll be getting that in fights anyway, and it's brutally tested in the real world regularly, and has tons of availability in the west. It's best to do a competitive martial art local to you, since all which compete under real world conditions converge anyway. For literature I'd suggest Fairbanes' introductory combatives for WWII commandos, which pretty much only teaches to attack, and aggression, and has all the dirty tricks noncompeting arts try to market. Unfortunately the-eye.eu which hosts it inside /k/'s murdercube archive is currently down. Also, consider learning some karate from your bro, it'll be fun, and maybe you can go drinking together (there's a reason gangs form organically in violent areas, numbers will or prevent win most fights.)

Find a mma gym and train wrestling is the best way to improve at fighting quickly. Wrestling follows the K.I.S.S. mentality and because of that it not to get discouraged. Here is some content to help along side going to a gym there not a substitute for the gym. Snake pit USA (catch wrestling) magnet:?xt=urn:btih:f1f7fb39668588fb0c1173161d6ad1ebe2a48539 Jake Shannon - Catch Wrestling Takedowns 81d465cdb6a7d81ec07de048b490fdd783bb9507 Jake Shannon - Catch Wrestling Submissions 50e5aec66e557071df8f3f42d623816e10a3d249

>>9442 You can read all the books you want, and watch all the videos, but I'm telling you, you wont learn a thing unless you actually go do it IRL

>>9507 >tries to use mma or wrestling against straight prison tier knife fighting or firearms paired with throat stomps and eye gouges >heh nothing personal kid Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-aIbjoEl-A

>>9442 Jack Dempsey's Championship Fighting pretty much covers everything you need to know here no bullshit. He covers all the basic punches, correct stance, and how to train the correct motion to throw effective powerful punches. A former heavyweight champion, Dempsey doesn't pussyfoot around with quack McDojo trash but teaches you the fundamentals. Also included is a basic training regime for high school amateur boxers. Dempsey's techniques went on to influence none other than Mike Tyson, its become an essential resource for boxers or just fight fans in general and a classic manual on power punching.

>>9513 >in a gym with combat submissions wrestling certification (https://youtube.com/c/CSWAssociation) >training with other people. Beside learning how to deal with a knife a attacker isn't that hard once you know how to deal with a unarmed opponent

>>9510 >you wont learn a thing unless you actually go do it IRL I remember reading pro-athletes say that what they found was that visualising themself doing the exercise was actually just as effective as actually doing it.

>>9519 >I remember reading pro-athletes say that what they found was that visualising themself doing the exercise was actually just as effective as actually doing it. Those are 'pro atheletes' who spend a lot of their time doing various excercies, and know quite well what they can and cannot do, and how quickly they can do it. If you are not such a person it is wise to first learn your physical capabilities, and, siginificantly, work to improve them. Visualization is surely useful, but you're not going to get significanly stronger or better at various physical skills without actually phsically doing them. Visualize once you're so sore and tired that you can't do excercises anymore.

>>9442 >Always had Strength if you are fighting by the rules you must know how to punch or kick, but 99% of the streetfights are pure chaos, and you must be prepared for white weapons too, imo you should first of all improve your fighting stance and blocking skills to brawl in the real world here some videos about Sambo/Judo Techniques Combat Sambo: Blocking and striking techniques https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpuXcyYdrG4 Sambo Leg Foot And Ankle Lock https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnio6vXqzVg Tony Lopez leg locks and armlock combos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4KpHSkico8 if you want some workout motivation: Karl Gotch:Kamisama https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL8khmGRsaQ

>>9520 > you're not going to get significanly stronger or better at various physical skills without actually phsically doing them. Not true, but real strength training is faster than imaginary strength training.

>>9522 >>9520 Do both! go to a gym and suplex a guy then ask your coach what you did wrong and for tips on how to do it better When you get home visual doing with the new Tips So that the next time you go you can do it better >repeat this a hundred times

>>9520 You don't need to get into actual fights, it sure helps to have the experience, but doing some light sparring with an experienced trainer to watch and give feedback works very well for most people.

>>9442 go to any martial arts dojo that won't sell you a belt ranked above white. you'll learn the basics pretty quick. krav maga and muay thai are stock standard options for learning to fight. pencak silat is a cool one that relies on destroying joints and fighting with weapons. karate and other ones like it are a bit more ritualistic, but still useful. knowing any form of fighting basics is better than knowing none

Out of everything posted here, I agree with the Jack Dempsey book. My advice, ask your cousin to help you train. Apart from that, here's some books by people who have got into a lot of fights so you don't have to. https://archive.org/details/Cheap_Shots_Ambushes_and_Other_Lessons_Marc_Animal_MacYoung https://archive.org/details/Street_EE_By_Marc_Macyoung_Paladin_Press https://archive.org/details/BruceLeesFightingMethodAll4Books https://archive.org/details/bennyurquideztrainingandfightingskills1981 And some videos. https://archive.org/details/barroom-brawling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB0k20iArUs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es_CfKtMkVw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlbL5QLbFeI Beyond that, pay attention to Geoff Thompson and Bas Rutten, they know what they're talking about. If you're already in reasonable shape, get a heavy bag, wraps and bag gloves, and a full length mirror to check your form. Learn basic boxing, enough pure self-defence to get out of the common grapples used by untrained fighters, and take off the heavy bag, throw it around and mount and pound it like you were a brony and it was a Rainbow Dash dakimakura. Learn some breakfalls, they're very underrated. But you'd better get your cousin to practice knife defence with. Get some safety goggles and a white t-shirt and fight with markers to get an idea of what's going to work and what doesn't.

>>9591 NTL But i have just finished reading the books you recommended and I started going to a boxing gym I even gave Thai boxing a try Just wanted to say thanks lain I am still a skinny skeleton but I am a lot more confident with myself

You do not need to look badass or engage in fights. The best thing you should remember is avoid street fights unless absolutely necessary. You don't know if your opponent is out to kill or what he has on him. If you are looking for some fighting skill, the best way is to learn boxing or something similar and not completely rely on what martial arts will teach you as they don't fully apply to the life and death situation of a street fight unless you yourself can adapt that skill to the fight. Obviously, if you do decide to learn some moves then maybe get your relative or a friend to spar with you and not rely on untrained knowledge from books and videos.

>>9442 1 answer: don't. We re constantly surrounded by concrete floors and sharp angles anywhere. One unfortunate hit and you or your opponent is dead or seriously injured. You're fuarrrked either way. 2 answer: intimidate. Most people don't really want to fight for no real reason and are just carried by the mood. Disrupt that. If the person is agitated do the speech equivalent of a splash of cold water. If the person is slowly boiling try to deascalate. If the person doesn't calm down try to set the rules. People usually don't really want to stop what they were doing, go outside, take of some extra accessories and clothes, get a referee and then professionally do this. But it's very hard to object to if you seize the initiative and offer After specifying that you would rather avoid that but if you must then let's do this properly. Like 90% of fights are avoided if you're not acting stupid and attracting trouble. 3 answer: learn how to use a sword. There aren't many swords around but plenty long sticks and such. If you know how to use them and have the element of surprise you're at an advantage against one opponent that's unarmed. That brings me to final 4 answer: learn to asses. Do not fight more than 1 person alone. Do not fight people with knifes and guns. Do not fight mentally unstable people. Just don't, it won't end well. Better to run or rely on other people's help. There's no honour in fighting outside of the ring if you're not protecting someone and if you do, get as much help as you can.

>>9442 >How do I throw nose-breaking punches, soul-crushing shinkicks, etc, without being a skilled martial artist? The only solution for you is magic

>>9510 >You can read all the books you want, and watch all the videos, but I'm telling you, you wont learn a thing unless you actually go do it IRL Yes, books are quite useless in comparison to an someone who is good (actually good) at martial arts. There are a lot of snake oil salesmen preying on people who want to learn 'self defense' that they can teach ineffective bullshido to and take their money. >>9519 >I remember reading pro-athletes say that what they found was that visualising themself doing the exercise was actually just as effective as actually doing it. Because they are professional athletes who aren't worried about fundamentals like us laymen. The mental for them holds much more weight at that point. >>9591 >Learn some breakfalls, they're very underrated. Sage advice, it's a simple skill but essential to have drilled into you so that you perform them automatically even in a stressful situation. >>10235 >Better to run The epitomy of advice in this thread. Just get good stamina OP, it's a way better alternative with a higher guarantee. Fighting is for when you've literally got no other way out, in which case you may find several other things more immediately effective. Striking/poking/gouging eyes is ideal. Ears are good, people generally follow if you get a good grip and yank their ear, I also hear that it will really fuarrrk them up if you can slap them both hard at the same time, it can even deafen them, though I probably wouldn't try it myself. It's probably a dude so the groin is always a good option. Choking/strangling is not great, a good strangle takes something like 3-4 seconds to work, a choke takes about three times longer, in that time they've probably stabbed you multiple times, and that's all assuming you can even get it locked on, which there are various things that could prevent it from happening. Also if you don't stop a strangle immediately after they pass out, you will cause them devastating brain damage or death. In conclusion: OP is a silly bugger.

>>9445 >>9448 Krav Maga is fake >>9507 a real martial art, but you cant practice by yourself (also catch is like kicking dead whales down the beach compared to bjj, which is readily available these days) >>9514 great book, generally outdated though, no boxing trainer will teach you any of this, but dempsey does explain weight transfer well since you dorks clearly have no clue, allow me, i am a 4-1 professional fighter. You have to go to a gym that teaches one or more of: Boxing Muay Thai Judo Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (wrestling is good too, but rarely taught outside of school) The best thing you can do to train yourself is to NOT try to learn techniques. You will do it wrong. What you can do is to train your body. Do this weight training program, and on your off days go for a run. Try to do a mile and then push yourself week by week to go more. 3 miles a few times a week is good enough and takes about a half hour if you're slow. If you are in a fight: Shrug your shoulders. Tuck your chin to your chest. Keep your hands close and level with your eyes. Move your feet - keep well out of range, 2 arm lengths away, until someone closes in When you punch: Punch with the back hand Twist your hips Your back heel comes off the ground, knees are bent Twist your hand as you punch so that your thumb is facing down when fully extended. QUICKLY BRING IT STRAIGHT BACK TO YOUR HEAD (we call this answering the phone, answer the phone like your life depends on it after every punch) You will now win 90% of fights against an untrained opponent You really cant get any better unless you go to a gym and pay someone to teach you

>>9591 Gene LeBell video was taken down. It's up on Facebook though. https://www.facebook.com/InternationalWrestlingFanbase/videos/pro-wrestling-finishing-holds-1987/1791482654450768/ >>11292 Brazilian Jiu Jitsu will get you killed. Learn a grappling style that doesn't depend on falling over and dragging the other guy on top of you, wrapping your legs around him like a power bottom and waiting fifteen minutes for him to get tired before you wrap your legs around his head. It's no secret that in street fights, the Gracie family prefer to attack from behind or in a gang, and use weapons.

>>11293 >https://invidious.slipfox.xyz/watch?v=EAJ2vt8wUbY >I Entered A BJJ Tournament To Prove It Doesn't Work BJJ is fake, this video is pretty funny. The ref even tells him he's going to get disqualified if he doesn't start playing along. To add my 2 cents, Bruce Lee Kung Fu is pretty good in a fight. It takes out the flourishing sporty bullshit and reminds you that what you're doing is killing the other person. You're not here for a submission, you're not here to knock a person out: As soon as they fuarrrk up, kill them. They probably won't actually die, but that doesn't change the mentality of a martial art that is not intended to be a "fun sport."

in a real fight you want to keep distance, by running as far as you can and then throw stuff at them. Anything else isn't a life or death fight.

>>9442 how old are you? you just need experience. I'd say the most fundamental things that changed me permanently were the following: being punched in the face (getting used to taking a hit) managing stamina (don't go swinging aimlessly) managing nerves (focus, don't be one of those "man I just black out and see red when I get mad!" retards. that's like a dead giveaway that you don't know soykaf lol) seriously, just got to your local boxing gym or something, find someone cool that isn't an ego addict (kinda tough), and get your ass handed to you. I'm 30 and haven't fought in like 8 years, but to this day i can immediately and accurately assess who has and hasn't been in a fight before with like 90%. once you face that fear head on you change forever. when you know you know. oh and put on some muscle lol. you don't have to be ripped, the huge confidence boost in even just roughly knowing how to physically handle someone, and yourself for that matter, dramatically subsidizes your strength. just don't be a twig.

>>11299 thats presupposing they dont have superior ranged attack capability, or the ability to close the distance, or are otherwise already too close for you to safely turn tail just casually looking at videos of fatal fights and attacks this strategy seems very marginally applicable, though the basic advice to remain out of range of people liable to attack is basically reasonable

>>11294 bjj isn't fake it's good to know as a supplement to another style. so you know if you get knocked to the ground you can still fight, but on it's own if the other dude doesn't play you're fuarrrked.

>How do I throw nose-breaking punches, soul-crushing shinkicks, etc, without being a skilled martial artist? I want to be able to defend myself from street punks... Keep your eyes open for anything you can pick up and use as a weapon... a rock, a brick, a club, a bottle, a chair, whatever. In my fighting days I would always try to get the guy in a choke-hold from behind and then it was pretty much all over. If you want to learn some self-defense without devoting your whole life to it, I'd suggest krav maga as a practical alternative. If it's legal in your area, a collapsible baton is a useful thing to carry. Keep a baseball bat in your car. Like they say, never take a knife to a stick fight.

>>11389 In the one "serious" fight I got into, the dude had glasses so I just feinted and ripped them off. We punched eachother a bit but he couldn't see enough to hurt me so I ran. Dude was big af too. Didn't get out unhurt cause he kicked my legs and I was bleeding out of my ear (superficial/skin)

how to fight when you slim thick and have no muscle at all, asking for a friend

>>12256 shoot first ask questions later also get good start going running loose weight and stuff

>>12256 Maintain an aura of confidence so people don't pick on you. If someone confronts you, just laugh and walk away. If they physically attack you, run. If you get cornered, go for the eyes and genitals. Use your knees and elbows and anything you can pick up as a weapon. Scream so there's a lot of commotion. Carry a legal weapon like a knife, but don't lose control of it, Carry pepper spray. Then get in shape and learn how to defend yourself if necessary.

>>12253 >I was bleeding out of my ear (superficial/skin) [color=blue]wtf does that even mean?[/color]

>>12260 I was bleeding out of the ear but it wasn't something serious inside it was just the skin of the ear.

>>12256 Carry pepper spray at all times and become educated in how to apply that mechanism of defence. Learn its limitations and benefits. Also study violence psychology and situational awareness. Practice and apply all these principals and you will be alright. Also, ALWAYS run from a fight.

>>9442 There's a significant difference between practicing martial arts and learning how to properly fight. Of course you have a lot more chance to beat someone up on a fist fight if you have training (because of posture, space awareness, technique, stamina), but a juvenile delinquent that picks fights every week in the streets will probably beat an average practitioner that trains under certain rules of championship. I've lost quite a lot of time trying to learn some styles for the wrong reasons (kidlet with a temper bullied in school, played a lot of Tekken and MK, etc.), such as Shotokan Karate, some bullshito kung-fu style named "eagle claw" some guy was a "master" of in my hometown, and Taekwondo. I wanted to learn Shotokan and Taekwondo to be able to defend myself, but I was bound to train under strict rules that limited my range of strikes, and all in all, making flowery moves such as tons of high kicking and cool rigid poses didn't help at all. I've took, as a consequence, a whole lot more beatings than I was able to beat someone up. Then, I shifted to Judo (5 years of practice) then a year later I added Boxing (4 years), then I shifted completely to Muay Thai, which I practice till this day (7 years). It happens that I was a juvenile delinquent, a troublemaker and an inconsistent martial arts practitioner. Now I'm just a guy that does some training on my own, in my house, with my equipment and still practices Muay Thai 2 times a week. Some tidbits for you: >if you want to learn the fundamentals, it's important you spend some time practicing some grappling focused style and a strike focused style >if you are totally oblivious to martial arts, I recommend Judo and Boxing or BJJ/Wresting and Muay Thai/Kickboxing, it depends solely on your vibe >spar a lot, with different types of people >find a main sparring buddy that's better than you if possible, specially if he/she is crazy about bare knuckle fighting >conditioning is EXTREMELY important, rope jumping, running, weightlifting and/or calisthenics (according to your objectives, of course, it's broad area), it will prepare you not only for the exhaustion that is a fight, but to being able to take a beating like a champ >pay a lot of attention to your legs, dorsal, traps and shoulders, in terms of conditioning and strengthening, trust me >plyometrics is a huge game changer, it allows you to take the best out of your movements >neck-training is also a game changer, but you must be wary of injury and over training >get a relatively heavy punching bag and practice bare knuckle strikes at home, applying more speed and potency gradually. You will see how much awareness is required to actually throw naked hands, in contrast to gloved fighting >be consistent in your martial arts training and listen to your teacher (if he is good, of course, you don't want to make a bad choice, lose time and create false expectations) >if you get exhausted, take strong blows, gas out, remember "I must widen my pain threshold" and keep fuarrrking pushing, you must be sort of a masochist, don't be scared of drawing blood or to bleed yourself >if you think you're a wuss, rip that band-aid quickly and face your doom head up with no further self questioning >be wary of too much gloved sparring, so you don't get retarded from taking punches to the head

>>12445 y not a real weapon phagggit guns have limitations too but they also have power

>>12449 I don't think it would matter what you carry, Tardo. You sound dumb enough that somebody could just sneak up behind you and hit you in the head with a rock.

>>12450 how do you think I got this way ? takes a lot of heavy thunks to the head to get on my level

I've never been in a fight, so what I say is just what I've read that convinced me- not anything I can attest to directly. You should take advice from people who you believe have been in actual fights. Except, maybe you should avoid more fights than they did. What's the point of taking risks, when the only reward is slightly less risk if you are forced into a similar situation again? If you just want to do this anyway then I guess you must know what you want. +1 running = good I found "Meditations on Violence" by Rory Miller a convincing and practical-minded book. He writes a lot about the psychology of your attacker, depending on who they are and why. One of the things he says is that if you are in a real fight, the adrenaline will screw up your fine motor control by pulling in all the blood to your core, away from your hands. This effect takes like 10 minutes in women, apparently because they're less likely to be grappling lions (bleeding out through the arms) and more likely to be targets of sociologically complex violence. (need to think clearly, evaluate correct response) So I think this kinda means that martial arts are better for women, because they have more time to use the skill effectively? Obviously women are weak and stuff but anything that might give them a bit of leverage is interesting.

>>12452 >(he said) the adrenaline will screw up your fine motor control by pulling in all the blood to your core, away from your hands. You should throw that book in the trash, because he clearly doesn't know what he's talking about.

>>12453 I just looked it up and multiple sources agree that most people have this issue to a lesser or greater degree, and adrenaline does redirect your blood away from extremities. You are not convincing me yet.