Should my goal be another country or another state?

What difference would it really make if I move to a blue state or other US territory in the scenario fascism /insurgencies spread in the US? Could a state like Washington really become as authoritarian as Texas? How likely is it fascism would extend to Hawaii or Puerto Rico? Discuss interstate geopolitics if you have any clue ... I want to leave Texas.

Democrats won't protect you from fascism. They would prefer fascism to socialism. Hawaii might be OK just because its culturaly distinct from the rest of the US, but also, it will definitely be a spot of contention in any international wars. No bueno. Places where there isn't any political instability are mostly that way because they isolate themselves. They won't take kindly to a random american moving in for no good reason.

I disagree about the root of the issue that's causing the sprint towards fascism/authoritarianism so my advice is a little different. I see this as a class war that is happening globally. In fact I'm sure OP and myself would on some level feel like the other's thinking is a part of the problem... but I think that feeling is bullshit. This is a global class war. A globalist coup. The ideological differences serve very little function but to divide us because ultimately the systems in place are not there primarily to serve us, neither are its mechanisms within our control nor influence. Everywhere in the world cost of living, political tension, and corruption is getting out of hand. Your best bet is to stay somewhere you feel you can be resilient -- yes somewhere geographically optimal with good natural resources and a hospitable natural environment will help a lot, but escaping to a more politically agreeable area is a poor motivation. More importantly, we need to build up our resilience to various disasters. Somewhere where we have good fallback of natural resources yes, but human resources as well -- primarily people you can trust. People that can support you if you're finding your shelter compromised, your food or water scarce, or your well being in danger. Do your best to learn and prepare to do likewise as well. Not only that, but a place in which you can participate in rebuilding and sustaining in the long run. Do not just be a participant in helping those you know, but everybody in your community, regardless of ideology. We should strive for peace, tolerance, and unity, regardless if it's with a MAGA sporting hick or blue haired Antifa activist. Our weapons in this war are truth and peace, and our base of operations is community. This war that is taking place there is no geographical location that will not be affected, so keep that in mind and act accordingly.

>>8819 >Puerto Rico >at risk of Facism >neurosuggesting that layer didn't know what she was doing when she became dictator of the island All the people from california are moving there because you don't pay federal taxes, enjoy the hurricanes and also lack of basic infrastructure. The beaches are nice tho

Ethics are shifting towards: people alive = unethical. Why? climate change. And exclusivity, increased class divide = ethical. Why? Capitalism, climate change. How? The servants should spend less. So naturally this implies increased cattle-like treatment.

Puerto Rico is pretty fuarrrked honestly, if you don't have any family ties there's no real reason to go. Just because it's US territory doesn't mean it's better than any other small island. Don't know about Hawaii much but if you're from Texas I doubt you will like it either. What sort of facism are you worried about in the first place? You should be a bit more descriptive.

The Eastern side of Washington is one of the locations declaired by the American Redoubt Movement. Basically a bunch of ultra trad Christian conservatives and I suspect also Neo Nazis (even though they were not part of the original plan) as well as some lolbert preppers want to create their own country.

>>8825 There's a national lab and several military bases out there. They're retards if they think the US government would let them take it.

>>8825 It's funny hearing about these obscure movements that are literally a dime a dozen and have zero affect on the country at large. I fail to see why they are worth mentioning unless I'm supposed to be scared of every spook I hear about. Considering they expect collapse, it seems they're merely forming community and helping each other out with survival skills, so if they manage to claim anything they probably intend to do so only post-collapse, barring some glowies compromising the movement and adding extremist elements. In all good for them. I hope collapse doesn't come as that won't do anybody any good, but if it does I hope they succeed and carve out their own thing, like some Amish community.

>>8823 It doesn't have to be that way. We aren't animals. Its hard not to think of births as unethical though. I think things will go to hell in a decade or so, why would you bring a kid into that? You can't help but come to that conclusion nowadays, plus the cost of living is too ridiculous to raise a child. I would never do it.

>>8831 Communicating that we're crowded given how we've been handling things, should help. But not if people are unethical, then it's killing.

>>8832 Unfortunately governments found out long ago, that anti-socializing society yields more capital, so we are unethical.

>>8832 And yet births are falling everywhere anyway. Its a GOOD thing. I don't think people need to catastrophize either, let things go the way they currently are. It will probably be hard when we have to go through that elderly-care bottleneck, but I don't exactly see much changing in most countries anyway.

>>8824 >Don't know about Hawaii much but if you're from Texas I doubt you will like it either. I have no dependents and nothing tying me down to much. I'd be happy anywhere.( Although China's threats to Hawaii are creepy, China itself is basically imploding. Its never going to be a world superpower or a threat to much with the way things are truly going in that country.) >What sort of facism are you worried about in the first place? Democracy buckling under fear, of intimidation, violence, and violent people learning they can get away with anything. I think the democrats are too inept to stop anything. I don't care if it sounds extreme, I want a long term plan for my own peace of mind. Our rights getting incrementally stripped away. Maybe it would be a slow boil, but I don't want to be caught in any of that. At the very least I just fear my own state becoming like Idaho. I want a purer understanding of blue states abilities to insulate themselves, from extremism.

I'm not a burger but i had the impression that Texas was one of the most free states, especially with respect to gun laws If I were in USA i'd go Ted-mode and find some forest. It's big enough and environmentally diverse enough that you can be away from society, maybe i'd go to alaska

>>8845 Texas is the state who's governor continues to earn over 300kusd (a very good salary) a year because he sued the owner of a tree for allowing it to fall on him after a bad storm. Make of this what you will.

>What difference would it really make if I move to a blue state or other US territory in the scenario fascism /insurgencies spread in the US? It is worth considering the resentment/sentiments of the local populace and finding the political temperature of the exact county/city/suburb/neighborhood/whatever you move to. The difference when it comes to going over to another color state may be useless given you may be moving to another area which has the same political persuasion you were attempting to avoid. Were I to guess anything is that any red state would be far more prone to having a fascist slant than their blue counterparts, though exceptions may be made for the minority-majority 1s(arizona/texas) atleast for a time until these minorities become a real inconvenience to management. Blue states or territories(yes this means Hawaii and puerta rico) would pretty much be beholden to whatever the Feds decide since the territories have come to rely on the federal governments for its food supplies and other necessities(CA and the Southwest leans on the power it gets from Hoover Dam). There are probably other Federal Installations which make it very unappealing not to listen to the Feds. Also here is something to help https://www.city-data.com/ >Could a state like Washington really become as authoritarian as Texas? Low likelihood unless a more fascist federal government steps into place or retarded Idahoans decided to invade(they would probably try to liberate Canada lol) >How likely is it fascism would extend to Hawaii or Puerto Rico? Discuss interstate geopolitics if you have any clue ... I want to leave Texas. Same as above, unless the natives decide they hate Americans(they do) to the point of enacting genocide(probably against snowies) should there be an absence of a federal government. And since they cannot sustain themselves, I think we all know who's going first. Also Hawaiians have their own notorious mafia known to make fair use of the lava flows https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Company_(Hawaiian_organized_crime)#Post-Pulawa_years >>8836 >I want a purer understanding of blue states abilities to insulate themselves, from extremism. The west coast would probably be your best bet(CA has a high COL, with the rest following close behind), eastern half of the U.S. will only get more volatile. Midwest as it is, is very underdeveloped and red, so conditions there would only deteriorate dramatically. >China itself is basically imploding What's been happening there?

The funny thing about Texas is that by becoming one of the fastest growing states in the US it has slowly seen a creep of liberal thinking people take root. I don't really see Texas social politics staying the same for long.

>>8829 Well main takaway is those states bordered out by the Redoubt Movement may be an indicator those types of people will increase there because the whole premise is getting people to move out there so they have majority control.

>>8859 Doubt it, all they are going to get is another Waco 2.0. Smart cults occupy positions of power rather than fuarrrk all areas.

Maybe I'm just poorly educated, but what countries are becoming fascist? As far as I know fascism has only had one real world example, and the lines between it and socialism are blurry Seems to me like fascism is just insular socialism. I see every government going towards globalist socialism Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about

>>8863 >fascism has one real world example this seems pretty weird. I assume you mean Germany but not its contemporary italian state, nor you know all the other countries with fascist governments in alliance ? Either way OP is just an american and he's worried about states under US gov. Texas recently passed a law trying to limit abortions in some circumstances, a clear symptom of fascism, and the Republican Party of Texas officially believes that the recent federal elections were mishandled. Either way OP, have you tried California perhaps ? Theyre pretty dead set on aborting as much as they can last I heard, and magazines for more than 10 rounds are, as I understand basically flat out illegal, so you'll be perfectly safe. Don't let the door hit you on your way out ~

>>8865 Can anyone explain how not being allowed to abort is fascism

>>8866 That's just doublethink, they'll say whatever it takes to sway public opinion. Extract the core of the argument >Laws are fascist And you'll realize it's basically a graphic T-shirt purchased from Hot Topic. Things that are fascist >Video games >Women cooking food >Not letting me do what I want to

>>8863 You cannot be serious. At least read the wikipedia article for fascism.

>>8863 I'm curious as to which country in modernity you think is fascist. I think I would have a strong argument for 2 and maybe a couple of European states are sliding that way thanks to the globalist Eurocrats. That aside, in casual modern vernacular fascism doesn't mean much other than "icky" with a vague hint of traditionalism and authority.

>>8866 Killing was fine in the wilderness, before we understood. We don't live in wilderness anymore, we understand abortion is about choice for life regardless if you choose for abortion or against it. When is it life, when is it not yet life? I kill sperm all the time. We can understand killing sperm is fine.

>>8869 Germany under the nationalist socialist party I've never heard of another fascist state I've heard arguments for Italy around the same time, and could be swayed if I knew more about them

>>8868 Wikipedia is a suitable source for an unbiased explanation of the core beliefs of fascism? Not buying it

>>8866 The person you were responding to was being sarcastic. The thread is not about abortion and I don't want to derail it so briefly: the prohibition of abortion is, of course, by itself not an absolute indicator of fascism. However the push in modern democracies to outlaw abortion, in addition to the relatively recent emergence of modern populist fascist-aligned movements (openly fascist or otherwise), is part of a broader trend of the stripping of rights. In case you don't know, please read about abortion, women's physiology, and contraceptives (how long can a woman go without knowing she is pregnant, what are the different methods for abortion, how effective are certain contraceptives). Abortion is not a hobby that promiscuous women engage in to indulge in degenerate western decadence. There are many situations in which a woman might be forced into a pregnancy or enter one without knowing. Even if it was solely a way for facilitating recreational sex (it absolutely is not), there is obviously a double standard in the way moral justifications for legislation like this seek to punish women for engaging in it as opposed to men when, in such a case, both are to blame. Endless ethical and philosophical discussions can be had about what constitutes a human life and whether or not it is ethical to end it at any given point, but abortion should be seen practically as a matter of public health. The reason conservatives and fascists oppose abortion (note that their objections are almost always moral and never practical) is that it serves to re-enforce the subservient role of women in society (or in many modern democracies the regression of women to subservience) and to prevent poor women from escaping poverty. >>8872 >at least

>>8873 The gist of this sounds like "fascism is one of the several trillion ways in which a person's rights can be taken from them, therefore it's reasonable to equate what's happening to fascism"

>>8874 what? read the post again >the prohibition of abortion is, of course, by itself not an absolute indicator of fascism read slowly three times and think about it before replying again

>>8871 Benito Mussolini invented fascism. Hitler's version was actually substantially different, and more importantly I don't think he actually called it fascism. Spain was also fascist in the 30's and 40's. They had help from Germany and Italy conquering the peninsula. Several other countries have had very similar forms of governance without actually calling themselves fascist (e.g. Pinochet's Chile, Stalin's USSR) so it is reasonable to also call them fascism if we're okay with calling Hitler's Germany a fascist country.

The American right wing is completely powerless. Every important institution enforces wokeness, including the military and police.

>>8878 The american right wing is currently failing because they played their hand too early and inexpertly. 01/06/2021 could have been a successful coup but instead they just flooded the capitol with a disorganized rabble, and now the neoliberals have an excuse to hunt them all down and further spy on us. That said, the right has most of the gun-weilding crazies because the far left is even less organized and more cannibalistic and liberals are terrified of guns. If the old saying "political power comes out of the barrel of a gun" is true, the right certainly has more power in reserve. >including the military and police. Military and police bureaucracy maybe. Actual police officers often have "unions" and sekrit clubs that hold most of the real power. And the sheriffs in many country counties are pretty far right even in "blue" states. Military is more of a mixed bag I think, as long as their bills get paid they will probably remain neutral.

>>8880 >Ctrl-F border >no matches besides this post and >>8859

>>8878 they're literally going to win the house and senate this fall, and already own the supreme court. unless biden manages to stretch out a war in ukraine for the next 2 and a half years he has no shot at reelection. some vague aesthetic changes towards "wokeness" don't change the actual realities of legislation, of how police operate, etc. just because cops are in pride parades doesn't mean they're remotely left wing. police themselves are something like 80% right wing.

>>8819 I think from your many posts you've lost the plot. You're too caught up in left vs. right. Blue states aren't going to "save" anyone. The U.S. is a uniparty state has been for a long time. Redneck hillbillies are more likely too have your back than politicians remember that. Politicians are shielded from daily life rednecks go through it with you. You may see conservatives as authoritarian and evil, but take the time to really understand one and you'll find it isn't the case.

>>9016 >You may see conservatives as authoritarian and evil, but take the time to really understand one and you'll find it isn't the case. Conservatives are authoritarian, although they aren't much more authoritarian than liberals. I speak as someone who knows and loves several conservatives in my family, I'm intimately familiar with their beliefs.

>>9017 Maybe you are familiar with their beliefs, but that doesn't necessarily mean you understand them. Political ideologies are different cultures clashing with one another. Oftentimes people of different cultures will have different definitions for the same words. J

>>9018 A lot of language in politics can seem familiar on the surface but be totally different in depth and a good amount of the time this is the case.

a lot of people have dumb and shallow political opinions riddled with inconsistencies and poorly thought out ideas. When describing them they frequently fall into buzzword and slogan shpeels which, if you probe, will be revealed to be significantly not aligned with their actual feelings. People man. What can I tell ya. I've met self described libertarians who are actually pretty authoritarian, Conservatives who are as progressive as anyone I've met, Nazis who are basically just small government conservatives who like a little edgyness, and communists who basically just long for feudalism. There's a lot of digging deeper to do on the people that are real, and at least some digging to determine whether someone's real or just a shallow grave.

>>8819 Fascism means industry is reorganized into guilds moderated by the state. I would prefer fascism over communism but I believe such guilds should be voluntary and incentive-driven such as legal and civil liability protections and insurance. The only reason to move into a blue state is to raid it.

>>9018 again, I'm talking about people who I've known my whole life, who speak the same language, live in the same area, exist in the same social/economic class, and for the most part have had similar life experiences to my own. >Political ideologies are different cultures clashing with one another. No, they're not.

>>8819 >Oh no, the spooky bad thing is coming! Could you please define "facism"? If you're talking about general authoritarianism, it doesn't matter what state you're in. Blue states are gonna live in slave pods and eat bugs, Red states are gonna live in slave pods and eat bugs a few years later (while rolling their eyes). Maybe the whole thing will collapse into chaos. What will make the difference is the people you have around you and the capital you have accumulated (skills, land, tools, connections). These will allow you to remain independent when the heat turns up and things fall apart. But you probably have none of this, because you're a city-dwelling liberal. I imagine you would enjoy podlife. >>8836 >democracy buckling Doomed from the start. Universal suffrage is unsustainable. It's unhealthy to be a perpetual activist and care 100% about everything all the time. The whole thing devolves into a media-driven oligarchy based on swaying the lowest common denominator. With America's original limited franchise, you restrict voting to people who are generally more intelligent and experienced than the lower classes, and have a personal investment in society's success. Democracy gives gullible people the illusion of choice while they're used as pawns in a proxy war.

>>9053 PS- Both systems are "unfair" (because life is unfair), but an open aristocracy gives us the privilege of knowing where to place blame. Why fight your neighbor when it's the king's fault?

>>9020 >communists who basically just long for feudalism Where can I find these people?

>>8871 See christo-fascism in the US today.

>>9053 you are so edgy it's making me soykaf >define "facism" >has no idea what it is either Red states will deal with lynchmobs in wallmarts, police busting down doors confiscating 'critical race theory, there were be an underground abortion network and prayer will be manditory in schools Pretty soon police are going to be shooting up elementary schools themselves and bootlicking republicans will be defending it. If you actually think blue states are going to 'eat the bugs' you are delusional, liberals are only a few inches to the left of the replublicans anyway

>>8871 So Mussolini, the guy who coined the term fascism, wasn't actually a fascist No i think Nazi Germany was more of an extreme example of fascism, more a product specific to germany's particular unhinged brand of antisemetism. A more typical example of fascism would probably be franco's spain or Pinochet's Chile, where some dictator backed by the ruling elite seizes power and kills all the communist. ( tho it doesn't have to be a general, can be a conman reality star ) Fascism is just ultra authoritarian right wingism, dictatorship as a counter revolutionary measure, the exact tenants of fascism are specific to specific national culture and history, frecnh, german and italian fascism all have differences. American fascism is a mixture of white supremacy and christian fundamentalism, only a fringe element of the far right draw from european traditions. In fact the other way around -- Europeans imitating Americans is just as common. Hell, it could be said Hitler god his fascism from america. People make this stupid argument "only the german national socialist workers party was fascist errr" and it's completely bad faith and historically ignorant, the type of argument a fascist or fascist adjacent person woudl make

>>9068 PFFFF that's note "Fascism" that's just an ultra authoritarian right wing police state, which is good .

>>9068 >kills all the communist He didn't stop there. They never stop, no matter who the first round up consists of.

>>9070 Very true, communists and others to the left of them are the immediate political enemies but once they get the commies out of the way ( and in many places, there is only the spectre of communism ) they start going after all "Other" groups, racial, sexual, religious minorities typically, then they start killing each other accusing the other one of being a gay communist jew or whoever their big baddie is.. Fascism is less a doctrine as much a a kind of mass neurosis, a collective mental illeness defined by manic paranoia, seething hatred, celebrations of cruelty and power. And like a mental illness it's hard to pin down, there are plenty of differences between the delusions of skitzephrenic, it would be absurd to try to define skitezphrenia as a specific set of beliefs, and so anyone who doesn't believe their mother isnt' controlled by skinwalkers isn't a real schizophrenic.

>>9071 >fascism is less a doctrine as much a a kind of mass neurosis, a collective mental illness defined by manic paranoia, seething hatred, celebrations of cruelty and power. Ah so I finally have the leftist definition fascism. What do you think of the idea that people can belong to certain ethnic tribes? Is this mentality considered fascist?

>>9072 Not them, but that idea can range between obviously true ("people of different ethnicities are different") to obviously false ("blond haired blue eyed people are actually Aryans"). You've phrased your question in a way that it is impossible to say what precisely you mean. I don't think any race theories are inherently fascist, even if they may be inherently false or misleading. However, many race theories have been created which exist for the purpose of justifying fascist ideology, and racism is a common (though not universal) feature of fascism.

>>9073 >You've phrased your question in a way that it is impossible to say what precisely you mean. My bad I meant the former people of different ethnicities are different. The reason why I ask is because a lot of self proclaimed fascists follow the idea that people of different ethnicities should be with their own tribe. That's what i think when I hear fascist.

>>9074 Fascism consists of: 1. Obsession with ethno-nationalism 2. Glorification of a dictator 3. Extra-judicial enforcement (street gangs) There, you have the real formula for fascism as evidenced by history.

>>9075 The only formula you have in that post is the one present in the brains of those who do not understand fascism, which is typically antifas and ─ may Allah forgive me for uttering this word ─ Am*ricans

>>9076 This is going to come as a shock but most people disagree with your position, not just "antifas" or whatever other bogeymen you choose to conjure. Most conservatives are against you as well.

>>9077 I know. This is because "most people" also do not understand fascism.

>>9078 Hmmm... sounds like a futile endeavour on your part then. Going from chan to chan, desperately driving threads off topic to suit your cause, yet all in vain. The temptation to just pack it in must be immense.

>>9079 >desperately driving threads off topic to suit your cause Just two posts above yours: >whatever other bogeymen you choose to conjure I really don't have to say anything else.

>>9074 > the idea that people of different ethnicities should be with their own tribe. That's what i think when I hear fascist. That's not fascist. That's just normal. At least here in Europe it is seen that way. Ever noticed that the European countries are literally named after the ethnic group that inhabits them? France is the land where French people live. Germany is the land where German people live. Poland is the land where Polish people live... etc. etc.

>>9075 >obsession with ethno-nationalism I wouldn't call it an obsession. In-group preference is generally normally. >Glorification of a dictator This is incorrect. Fascism is more about the people than it is about the leader. If you took the time, you'd acknowledge that a cult of personality has the opportunity to develop in all things. >Extra-judicial enforcement (street gangs) Why would they need "extra-judicial" anything if they are the law? I think you're confusing the violent arm of political revolutionaries to those groups being in power. tl;dr: you don't know what fascism is at all. Basically, all you said is that you don't like people and you don't like revolutionaries. Feel free to "correct me" on that last point, though, because I can tell there is probably more on your mind about it when I write this kind of thing. Basically, you enjoy the status quo to any major changes... and that's okay, people like you are why it is the status quo today. >>9077 >most people disagree with your position It isn't a position he holds. It is a fact of the definition. What you, and many people, disagree with isn't fascism. Which is fine with me. >>9079 Personally, I don't really give a soykaf to change your position. I'm just here to tell you that you're wrong. What is hilarious is watching people like you support fascist, and other third position, concepts without realizing it because you're too narrowminded... "And that's a good thing!" >>9081 I wish people would define before discussing things. That would make discussion possible. Unfortunately, I think people are just interested in the soapbox element rather than actual growth.

>>9082 >I wish people would define before discussing things. That only gets you stuck in a mire of meaningless definitions. Just look at this thread: do you think anyone would have agreed on what fascism means if they had talked it out beforehand? In any kind of discussion of politics its not just the immediate meaning of the words that matter. Words have weight and historical baggage associated to them. If you're not interested in that, don't go into politics.

>>9086 Even if we get stuck in definitions its still infinitely more informative than talking to a brick wall. If people can't understand each other on that basic level how can we have a conversation?

>tfw watching fascists and tankies politely argue Heart warming. >>9053 Based as fuarrrk post. If I had a nickel for every fit of *impotent* hysteria caused by political outrage, I'd be a billionaire. If your outrage gets you to go online and ask how far away you need to move but you don't have any plans to actually move, then you're probably better off than you know.

>>9075 In other words, Tecumseh as well as the Tibetan rebels and Kurdish nationalists. Yeah fascism is sooooo frightening.

>What difference would it really make if I move to a blue state or other US territory in the scenario fascism /insurgencies spread in the US? Could a state like Washington really become as authoritarian as Texas? How likely is it fascism would extend to Hawaii or Puerto Rico? Discuss interstate geopolitics if you have any clue ... I want to leave Texas. You can simply move to Austin. If you move to Washington you'd need to live in a blue district the eastern side of the state is all a buncha Jesusy fuarrrkfaces. Pretty much all blue states are like this.

The absolute state of American politics

>>9102 Republicans vs Democrats is the most annoying soykaf ever. I shouldn't feel compelled to pick a side and I don't but even then I'm still shoved into it regardless. It just is like kicking dead whales down the beach when you're stuck fighting ad hominem and strawmen all day long by default. And people wonder why nothing ever gets done.

>>8819 OP if your first thought when looking to escape your current political is to move to a blue state, I recommend going overseas.

>>9065 Sounds like a dream. >>9071 The very tolerant leftist extremists we see today do the exact same thing. First they fight against the rich, then against the whites, then against white women, then against women in general in favour of the mentally challenged that believe they're the wrong gender. At least the right pursue strength and purity, not weakness and degeneracy.

>>9113 Something tells me you haven't looked very hard at "the right" these days if you think their current generation of footsoldiers represents "strength and purity". They are just another example of whiny, entitled idpol types looking for someone else to blame for their poor life choices and subsequent failures. It's the general flow of culture in this century, blowing across all strands of political thought.

>>8819 i'm in the exact same boat. theres something about texas that makes you want to leave as soon as possible. i'm thinking moving to somewhere in europe, doesnt really matter where, as soon as im employable

i agree however the coasts are highly populated an probably worse

>>8819 > in the scenario fascism /insurgencies spread in the US Dear God. No, Trump isn't a fascist. No, the the proudboys aren't fascist. No, having a police force isn't fascism. There is maybe 1000 fascists in the US and the militias will turn against them faster than against BLM. Ho, yes, the freedom loving, small government type militias aren't fascist either. >Insurgencies Recent US history show how easily this spread in the US. One hurricane in New Orleans and for half a year it's the anarchy with even cops looting what is left in the shops. One brutal police arrest and for half a year the country is on fire. There is one and only one thing that can protect you from it: people you can trust with guns. You won't do it alone, you won't do it with people who will flee at your moment of need. You need people you can trust. Family is the best choice. Friends are temporary, family is forever. Your best chance is to be in a high social trust town, meaning a small one. In this sort of towns, people spontaneously get in the way of raider gangs and the one local cop can deputize them all as fast as he want. And you also need the capacity to be violent. No, swords won't do in a gunfight. Yes, you got this. A rural town full of rednecks and hillbillies would be perfect. >>9115 Something greener something fence. In Europe we want to flee to Canada. Yes, the country that had the trucker stuff, no gold reserve and whit a government sold to China.

>>8819 Texas is probably the 2nd freest state in all of America, but since you fear "fascism" being in Texas, probably best to move to China

>>9115 Ditto, 100%. I recently asked a European friend over video-call if going for a stroll, taking a bus, or going into town ever depresses him. He looked at me like I was a freak, "What? Of course not." Every time I drive for more than 20 minutes in Texas, my soul just gets completely crushed; pretty much all of my Texan friends feel the same. What a garbage place to life, I can't wait to escape the US.

>>9123 why? lack or good architecture? ugly people? no nature?

>>9124 for the most part, all three it takes a special mind to appreciate the aesthetic of urban sprawl, and sometimes you may find yourself doing that other times there's exhaust fumes and noises and general hostility/paranoia to live in the US is to experiment with your perception :-)

>>9117 > the proudboys aren't fascist Questionable. They are militant right-wingers, which is what many people consider a sign of fascism.

>>9125 Well, I think Brazil is depressing due to heat, retarded loud flashy people, monkey music and extreme violence. Foreigners spend thousands here just to see some asses in a military occupied soykafhole of a state. It's all perspective after all. I thought Texas was a desert full of badass liberty obsessed fat people with big guns eating burgers on a monster truck everywhere. I'd pay to see that someday.

>>9123 >has a problem with Texas >the US is like kicking dead whales down the beach and is ugly I need to leave the country asap have you considered moving out of Texas and into a state that isn't completely flat and inhabited by characters from Idiocracy? 10 minute walk from my house brings me to a waterfall, a 20 minute bike ride brings me to 100s of miles of single track trail through rolling hills and into mountains. A 30 minute run will bring me to wilderness zones.

>>9123 >in Texas Unfortunately, things are worse outside of Texas (with regards to the U.S). The few places in the U.S. that are, are not worth mentioning because I've been watching them fall into oblivion or the same terrible circumstance for the last dozen years or so. >>9126 >fascism is militant right wing No. If anything, fascism -- which is firmly under the third position umbrella -- could be seen as inherently anti-"right wing" due to the "right" and "left" are the components of liberal-capitalist dogma. I know you guys haven't peeled your mouth off the propaganda pump, but at least try to learn something about your alleged arch-enemy ideology. >proudboys They're civic nationalist right-wing liberals that worship the very things an actual fascist would oppose, especially the hypermaterialism that comes from those fat drones. >>9212 >have you considered moving out of Texas and into a state that isn't completely flat and inhabited by characters from Idiocracy? You have clearly never been to Texas and are just regurgitating the same propaganda everyone else who falls for it. Texas is a massive soykaf hole, but it has nothing to do with the "inbred" -- The inbreeding and "Idiocracy" tends to take place in the actual "bible belt" (Not the wikipedia one, but rather the one that contains Mississippi, Louisiana, Georgia, Alabama, and Florida) of which there are many, many, many negroes who bible thump while their kids commit every sin they claim. >describes location A 10 minute walk from my house and I am on the edge of the wilderness. But this doesn't mean anything, you will, unfortunately, not be able to appreciate my sentiment towards nature due to my previous response to you. But let me just say this. The most depressing part, of any of this, is watching nature collapse before your eyes. It might not be affecting your area right now, but it will.

>>9214 >in Texas >Unfortunately, things are worse outside of Texas (with regards to the U.S). The few places in the U.S. that are, are not them fall into oblivion or the same terrible circumstance for the last dozen years or so. >fascism is militant right wing >No. If anything, fascism -- which is firmly under the third position umbrella -- could be seen as inherently anti-"right wing" due to the "right" and "left" are the components of liberal-capitalist dogma. I know you guys haven't peeled your mouth off the propaganda pump, but at least try to learn something about your alleged arch-enemy ideology. >proudboys >They're civic nationalist right-wing liberals that worship the very things an actual fascist would oppose, especially the hypermaterialism that comes from those fat drones. >have you considered moving out of Texas and into a state that isn't completely flat and inhabited by characters from Idiocracy? >You have clearly never been to Texas and are just regurgitating the same propaganda everyone else who falls for it. Texas is a massive soykaf hole, but it has nothing to do with the "inbred" -- The inbreeding and "Idiocracy" tends to take place in the actual "bible belt" (Not the wikipedia one, but rather the one that contains Mississippi, Louisiana, Georgia, Alabama, and Florida) of which there are many, many, many negroes who bible thump while their kids commit every sin they claim. >describes location >A 10 minute walk from my house and I am on the edge of the wilderness. But this doesn't mean anything, you will, unfortunately, not be able to appreciate my sentiment towards nature due to my previous response to you. But let me just say this. The most depressing part, of any of this, is watching nature collapse before your eyes. It might not be affecting your area right now, but it will. I lived in Texas for over 15 years near all of the major metros and also in the boonies of east Texas. But yeah everything is gonna go to soykaf everywhere and there is nothing you can do about it, you might as well just give into the nihilism and kill yourself right now, or just move to Europe like you suggested earlier. I'm sure Europe doesn't have any problems at all.

>>8819 >fascism /insurgencies spread in the US It would be better if you explained what specific real world events you see happening with your own eyes on your own street that you want to get away from. And consider the possibility that the world projected in the corporate media is not 100% accurate.

>>9215 That's a takeaway you could have... or you could realize that life is struggle and embrace the chaos, improving not only yourself but encourage those around you as much as possible... then again, people will call you fascist over this, despite having read absolutely no theory.

>>9068 >>9068 There's no such thing as American fascism what the fuarrrk is this. Imagine thinking you have any idea what people who go through fascism suffer under. This is the most priveleged soykaf I've ever read.

>>9237 Fascism is when the plebs vote for a president who the 1% doesn't like.

>>9086 >Words matter Hence why I suggest the definitions. The people who are actual fascists, natsoc, 3p, etc. VS people who larp as one of those VS people who only think "nazi" (when they mean national socialist) and "fascist" are the same thing. This creates an impossible task of discussion. You can see it in this very thread. >If you're not interested in that, don't go into politics That is not how it works... and for what it is worth, I actually do know the history, the context, etc. In fact, there is a very high possibility that I know more than anyone in this thread of the Irish fascists and their activities and strategies, the Spanish fascists (ok, they were Falangists, but this was a subset of fascism), the Italian fascists, Greek national socialists, and the German national socialists. As well as the economics, social, and intellectual reasons for why they happened... because I love the late-1700's to mid-1900's and it is all I read about, I even read obscure journals that I can find on it, written in between this time period. Unfortunately, the mass majority of people here only think "fascist = nazi = genocide" when the concept of genocide is hardly part of the equation. There is no need to genocide when you can simply expell people from your nation. Frankly, the only reason why people hated fascist italy was because they picked "the wrong side". If it wasn't for that, fascists wouldn't have the bad name, except to marxists. That being said, I'm just here for a genuine discussion with people on the matter and, for some reason, there is a strange fear of defining it and reaching an understanding of what things mean. >>9089 >Heart warming. pic related. ;) >>9087 He didn't respond because he knows that you cannot have a conversation based on his suggestions. I'm trying to address this in good faith, but I am under the impression that the rejection of defining fascism and national socialism is due to a fear that "fascism" will take root here. I really don't think "we" need help in that matter. (Note: I am not a fascism, merely interested in far-right political thought. I'm, unironically, above politics and only care about my family and my neighbors well-being.)

>>9065 you're right in wanting out of the mess but for all the wrong and retarded reasons. either move to mexico or fuarrrk off to vermont

I thought I was on fuarrrking leftypol for a second. >>8819 No, we're distributed in every state and we hate both parties equally. Trump will be hanged as the race traitor he is on public television along with every other political prostitute. >>9239 In regard to "fascists", the right wing in America is fuarrrking retarded. Many who are called fascist, or call themselves fascist, don't know soykaf about fascism. The alt-right specifically thinks fascism looks like 1950s America and they will often water down their message and concede on their positions in a hopeless attempt to somehow win over the masses or cause a "mass awakening". Unfortunately they're the loudest crowd. Their only purpose is to direct system forces away from true revolutionaries. https://youtu.be/4z50p2v5Of0

>>9237 > highest incarceration rate in the world > top 1% of nation's richest hold 40% of the wealth > ranked 121st for income inequality > is functionally a police state the fascist does not realise the call is coming from inside the house

>>9239 That pic lol, its true tho, i can be friends with facsists, but not antifa punks because they sold out to the system(WEF/WHO/...). Lets hope for that revolution and make sure when it comes the pigs high up get it first. Also to contributa a bit, my mother recently saw property, houses and apartments to buy(as whole property), for real cheap like in sicilly. If we can find some abandoned soykafhole land for real cheap in the middle of fuarrrknowheere im so moving there and build a fort. Alternative idea, bucket in for a ship and build a city from floating trash in international waters.

>>9743 You can't be punk and antifascist. It's impossible!

>>9742 Would you prefer that we just let niggers, wetback gangs, White trash gangs, Jewbags who got sold out by their own sort, p3dophiles, and other scum be released? Should we relocate them into your neighborhood? Incarceration rates often have to do with people committing violent crimes or committing reckless endangerment such as DUI. I do believe there are issues of false imprisonment and excessive laws and "regulations" (classical definition means normalization) such as possession crimes of any sort but let's not fool ourselves into thinking the majority of prisoners are the victims. As for income inequality, so fuarrrking what? Why does it matter to you that someone made more money than you? People are suppose to make more money if their jobs are in short supply yet demand is high. We can make arguments about scumbags like big pharmaceutical executives getting wealthy using dirty deals with government officials such as the scum at Pfizer but at the end of the day, jealousy is not a desirable trait. The police state comment is true about the USA and other nations like Australia, New Zealand, UK, France, and Zog-run Germany. Free speech has been undermined in the USA with online surveillance while those other nations lock up people for questioning the greatest lie of the 20th Century involving "6 million" Jewbags getting sick. If we were fascist, we would have guilds running the major industries and labor would be nationalized into an American Labor Front similar to the German Labor Front which would extend our break times and provide warm meals for the workers.

>>9749 OP is one of those dipshit antifas that thinks fascism is when authority and capitalism. As I said in this post >>9741 America has no idea what fascism means, many self-proclaimed "fascists" don't know what fascism means. That's why >>9239 is right, we're just wasting our time as we all have different definitions of fascism inherent to our own individual worldviews. If we do want to debate fascism that deserves its own thread. >>8819 To elaborate, if you think magatard bullshit is "fascism" then fine, move to some blue state if you really can't handle the overall American culture being 5 years behind however I don't think they pose any risk of sparking a revolution. However in the case of an insurgency, actual fascists have been preparing for decades. We are fairly distributed in every state. I wont hesitate to kill every last one of you urbanite scum. t. Currently living in one of the most progressive cities in America with a pile of guns under my bed and a bookshelf full of nazism, accelerationism and tactical manuals. https://youtu.be/K3aeWHz6Zok

>>9750 >t. Currently living in one of the most progressive cities in America with a pile of guns under my bed and a bookshelf full of nazism, accelerationism and tactical manuals. protip: you're not fascist, you're just antisocial.

Coercive control in the public and private spheres in the US is unprincipled. This is a stupid thread.

>>9750 >However in the case of an insurgency, actual fascists have been preparing for decades. We are fairly distributed in every state. I wont hesitate to kill every last one of you urbanite scum. Im glad atleast some people know whats up and got it handled as much as one can. Makes me feel better at night that not every revoltionary spirit got coopted by this maga larp hopium newage cia bullcrap.

>>9752 That's not a good faith arguement. You're operating under the assumption that this guy doesn't have friends. I have a lot of 3p friends, some fascist, some white supremacist, some national socialist. Not just in name, but in lifestyle, and they're some very good, well read people. >>9754 I think it would be somewhat upsetting for some if it was known how many people not only feel this way, but are prepared in such a way. The MAGA situation was extremely helpful in what some people are calling "The Great Awakening", the phrase is borrowed from Dr. William Luther Pierce and Harold of NWF. It goes well past "meme bookshelves", there is real praxis. I fit into a really obnoxious camp for many left-leaning individuals because other than my racialism and interest in both capital-T Traditionalism and an ethnostate, I'm generally non-offensive to leftist sensibilities, especially in my deep ecology (and inherently anti-capitalist) mindset. Consider that my (offline) praxis is basically planting illegal trees (native, of course) and helping people get their butterfly bushes setup to help monarch butterflies -- It ends up alienating non-hardliners when they see leftists screaming "nazi" and such at a guy actively cares about the environment and rarely mentions his "divergent" worldview. Just do yourself a favor and deal a little less in polemics and be sure to work out, be well read, and get involved in some DIY. You can't really do long-term white power without a little green mixed in, even Adolf Hitler knew that. Reach out to people who mean well but are struggling. Keep in mind that it's free to be a good person and that you can't take back what you say.

>>9755 >You're operating under the assumption that this guy doesn't have friends. If he has friends then why did he brag about his weapons and his books and not them? His friends are where his real power lies, if he has any. His post reads like a school shooter's half-baked manifesto. >I think it would be somewhat upsetting for some if it was known how many people not only feel this way, but are prepared in such a way. It's only upsetting to people who have no capacity for political analysis (so, liberals, faux-socialists, and anybody "middle of the road"). Y'all are part of an easily predictable trend towards degeneration, along with the Maoists and the cartels.

>>9756 >If he has friends then why did he brag about his weapons and his books and not them? Who brags about friends? Weapons, such manuals and books are less common. (Although, I guess in modernity, there isn't much in the way of friends, is there?) Anyways, you're suddenly concerned with how he decided to express himself and nitpicking? I'm not sure where you're headed with this. Could you elaborate further? Because your implication that he doesn't have friends is because he didn't mention it... With that logic, I can discern that you lack more or less everything because you failed to mention it. I disagree with how you have decided to view this, if that is the case. >towards degeneration The entire basis of the "far-right" is about rebuilding. "Fascism" is scaffolding towards a better future and with the plans behind it. If you mean to say degeneration from the liberal worldview, I would not word it this way, but why sure. Either way, I wouldn't conflate the two. Every circumstance of the "far-right" has brought in rebuilding, whereas every circumstance of the "far-left" has brought degeneration. You could even point at it as a sort of ebb-and-flow. Modern "leftists" even revel in the degeneracy. They only disagree with calling it "degeneracy" when it's used to a negative way, or as a sort of light to point out the problems that their ideas have caused. >"Y'all" are part of an easily predictable trend That much is true.

>>9758 >Who brags about friends? You did. >Weapons, such manuals and books are less common. Depends where you are. It's not unusual at all to have a large firearm collection, and it's extremely typical to have a bookshelf full of unread political theory. >Anyways, you're suddenly concerned with how he decided to express himself and nitpicking? I am explaining why I made the judgement I did. If he wanted to sound threatening (which was *clearly* the intent of >>9750 ) he would have mentioned that he has a gang and they're going to go around shooting leftists or whatever it is he wants to do. >I'm not sure where you're headed with this. I am responding to your post. >The entire basis of the "far-right" is about rebuilding. Sure, whatever.

>>9755 Based. I can tell you're more educated than some of these other people. Specifically in regards to being non-offensive to leftist sensibilities. We're way past the point where the left-right spectrum has any meaning, too many retards want to always take the opposite stance of leftists. In reality leftists do have legitimate causes, it's just the basis of their philosophy that is a lie. Like a mathematical formula it doesn't matter how much you get the rest of the equation right if you're wrong on even one variable, the result will stray from the true answer with each passive iteration. And the retards want to solve the rest of the equation wrong out of reaction. >>9756 I said we're fairly distributed in every state. I have dozens of friends in my city and surrounding areas. But that's irrelevant in this context since if we where to commit to direct action it would only be me and a few highly trusted contacts. Once the flair has been lit other cell networks will get the message and carry out their part of the program. We aren't democrats, we don't want numbers. We want leaders and revolutionaries.

>>9760 >We aren't democrats, we don't want numbers. We want leaders and revolutionaries. revolutions fail unless they have popular support dum-dum If you want a coup d'etat, you will need the support of the military. If you just want to kill people you don't like, I will again point you to >>9752

>>9761 And I will point you to this subthread >>>/hum/64523

>>9761 >revolutions fail unless they have popular support dum-dum revolutions which succeed get the popular support and thrust of inevitability retconned in by the winners. revolutions which fail get the popular dislike and aire of doom retconned in by the winners. Who comes out on top can just be a function of placement and preparation, good fortune and greasing the right hands. Often the winners are just the weaker party from the last government, with the same gov. and bureaucracy. Look at the E. Euro revolutions of the 90s. Big disaffected population, popular support for overthrow or it seems like it. Romania litterally shot the President and his wife. Who becomes next head of state ? Guy who'd been in the communist party for decade and had been described as the last guy's heir apparent before a sort of falling out. Who became the rulers of the USA after the revolution ? same class of guys who'd been in charge before. Washington's military leadership experience had been fighting for the British government. Revolutions are frequently just spats between existing members of the ruling class.

>>9763 "who became the rulers post-revolution" and "did this revolution have popular support" are separate subjects. As you have noted, often the class of leadership doesn't change much. But you also listed cases in which the revolution itself only happened due to popular support. Without popular support it simply isn't a revolution by definition.

>>9759 >You did. It was not bragging, it was in response. You're linguistically challenged, my friend.