patches

Working on making a tradgoth/murderfolk battle jacket. These are the patches so far, any tips for a beginner? I've never made my own clothes before and I am kinda putting off investing in a denim jacket to put it all on cus i don't wanna mess up

>>7692 this is actually srs business esp nowadays rule 1: only wear what your willing to claim rule 2: understand symbols mean different things to people in different places at different times. also not everyone knows the same bands you do rule 3: do not wear a 3 piece (top and bottom rockers with a center patch on your back) unless youre unironically 1%ing and not larping you will get jumped rule 4: do not wear a bottom rocker with a location name so don't put bridge city sinners on the bottom of your back rule 5: star field faces front on your flag rule 6: sin/sinner patches go on back left shoulder rule 7: avoid numbers altogether, 45 means a whole lot of things for example rule 8: aesthetics- not really a rule but shields and circles usually go on shoulders, rectangles go anywhere gl

If you dont want to sew your own denim jacket buy from a thrift store aka charity store aka opportunity store. It will be cheaper then and broken in for you.

Sewing is easy. If you're not confident, get some old clothes (or as >>7694 suggests some old denim jacket from someplace) and do a little practice work. If you find something with patches already you can even remove and reattach them and see how they're done. Most likely you'll just need to do a coil around the perimiter, and cause most of these are black anyway, with black thread you'll barely need to worry about visibility.

>>7693 45 graves is a name of a band you numnut So is Bridge City Sinners t. non retarded fan of goth/punk rock >>7692 tips - you may look into use of thick white thread if you gonna sew that to black denim and attach it by cross stitching (or whatever other pattern you want you may mix many patterns on edges for extra unique design) edges - for punky/ghoulish look and more individual look. Do not try to make crosses/stitches equal sized coz it gives off look like it was your mommy that sew it for his little sonny. It's trashy/ghoulish/decay and despair aesthetics that respectable goth is going for. You may also look for white/silver (or other colors, nothing forces you to stay with black and white only color palette) acrylic paint marker pens - you can draw stuff with it like cobwebs, symbols, bats etc. Just let drawing dry and iron it. I fuarrrking love to do drawings on my stuff. If vest has pockets you might attach safety pins to it for decor. But I would suggest taking them off if you are going in the future to participate in mosh pits on gigs (well In my country goths do mosh on gigs, but in some countries from my experience most prefer to just stand like they ate a stick or something) - less risk of wounding yourself or others. If you are going for attaching studs - look for thick jean material. Unless you got riveting machine - go for studs with screw based attachment. Then apply some Super Glue (or whatever cyanoacrilic glue brand you have in your country) to ensure studs never go off. Here keep in mind that some venues may have retarded as fuarrrk bouncers/security that does not let even studded bracelets to be worn inside. Yea, retarded, I know, but some security staff is just like that.

>>7977 Rude. I think that Lainon was just saying avoiding certain patch layouts can help avoid troublesome misunderstandings. Doesn't mean they don't recognize those are bands but acknowledging not everyone will get that.

>>7991 Ridiculous post, lainon. >Rude. I think that Lainon was just saying avoiding certain patch layouts can help avoid troublesome misunderstandings. LOL. Punkrock/goth is not about giving a fuarrrk about people who misunderstand. If one cares about such people - they would wear normal person stuff, not band vests. > Doesn't mean they don't recognize those are bands but acknowledging not everyone will get that. So what? Majority of people already do not get the fashion itself, what difference makes adding 0,5 % to amount of people who don't get what's all that about? Zero.

>>7994 >LOL. Punkrock/goth is not about giving a fuarrrk about people who misunderstand. >one post earlier >Do not try to make crosses/stitches equal sized coz it gives off look like it was your mommy that sew it for his little sonny. That cognitive dissonance. >what difference makes adding 0,5 % to amount of people who don't get what's all that about? Zero This made me question your reading comprehension. Why would anyone want to potentially be beat up or harassed for something they have nothing to do with and especially if they also don't support it? Literally no one was talking about someone not getting what goth or punk is about.

>>7995 >This made me question your reading comprehension. LOL >Why would anyone want to potentially be beat up or harassed for something they have nothing to do with and especially if they also don't support it? Because not everyone is a fuarrrking spineless coward who gives a fuarrrk about some primate retard's opinion. >Literally no one was talking about someone not getting what goth or punk is about. You can't separate vests - visual identification wear and that topic. It's like separating patches and music. Makes no fuarrrking sense.

>>7997 I hope you accidentally wear gang colors so that you get jumped and beaten by some skinhead biker gang tweaked out on meth. >>7693 This guy actually had solid advice for a REAL battlevest not whatever poser soykaf youre trying to make

>>7998 >I hope you accidentally wear gang colors so that you get jumped and beaten by some skinhead biker gang tweaked out on meth. Hey, maybe Lainon isn't in the US so it will more likely never happen ? I mean, even in Amsterdam where the biker gangs are huge I never got any problem wearing punk/metal patches (even with my vest looking a lot like a biker gang vest). I never saw anyone get "jumped" in Europe wearing this kind of clothes/patches. If you want to get jumped here you need to be a retard and wear their official vests with their official patches AND go confront them directly lol. People don't care here.

>>7999 Its not the punk/metal patches thatll get u jumped, its the symbols and soykaf that could be tied to a band or something. (Like how >>7693. Thought that the sinners and 45 grave meant other things instead of a band, it would be just as easy for some violent ignorant fuarrrker to make the same mistake) OP just needs to tale good advice when its given to them, especially when its free

>>8000 >it would be just as easy for some violent ignorant fuarrrker to make the same mistake So? You can get beaten up because of zillion reasons. Do you check out list of every possible delusion someone can hold and beat you up because of them before wearing any particular piece of clothing?

>>8000 He/She has higher chance of getting beaten because of wearing punk stuff by a generic redneck/chav/gopnik than being beaten up by some antifa or neonazi numerological occultism that maybe one percent of them understand. But again if one is afraid of physical confrontation because of the look or geographical orientation of a particular patch toward a particular star constellation on northern hemisphere of Venus on a particular time of the day of a month of harvest - they would just dress normal person. But again what's with that beaten up fetishism? OP asked about handmade related stuff like sewing and fabrics - not about people doing divination about you based on patches you wear. Anything else is a red herring at this point.

>>8002 >>8003 While I agree it seems they were a bit overly concerned from my perspective but maybe they know something we don't. It just depends where OP lives really. Regardless the design points being made didn't seem that uncreasonable being it doesn't really limit much at all and no one was trying to stop OP from doing what they want and not following some of that Lain's suggestions potentially may off a different vibe from what OP intends to achieve in their look.

>>8000 My post (>>7999) still stand. No one in Europe is gonna jump another person just because of a sinner or 45 grave patch. Here, bikers just punch each others (rarely kill), they don't want to attract unwanted attention by punching a 'civilian', it's bad for business. In Amsterdam, they also do fake bomb threats in order to attract police attention to their enemies, they don't even need real violence anymore lol. Maybe stop watching movies? Or is the US bikers that retarded?

>>8004 It honestly depends where you live for you to have that concern, like how in some areas you litearlly cannot wear specific color combinations or else you'll get attention from the wrong people. Doesn't help that a lot of punk aesthetics are tied to violence hence the need for concern. Still, it's good advice, not sure what's with the anon sperging about it. All I can really offer OP is don't do it to the point where you look like a glitterboy, and maybe aim for more homemade-style patches instead to give it an "authentic" look compared to just company produced soykaf. Handsewing is easy but depending on the kind of denim it can be a pain in the ass (hand cramps) and it might be easier to use a machine.

>>7998 biker gangs don't usually do that kind of soykaf. But there are certain neighborhoods/towns in CA where you can't wear read and/or blue. That is real and you will get stabbed for it, probably not just for the colors but because you're a good target for a gang initiation.

>>8005 Amerifat here, I've never heard of this happening in the USA either, though I don't go around wearing vests such as this, I've known a few folk which do. Maybe it has a remote chance of getting you mugged, but I suspect there are much more efficient ways that you could practice and still never get attacked. OP should do exactly the opposite of what >>7693 suggests and post bruises when he gets them.

>>8007 >But there are certain neighborhoods/towns in CA where you can't wear read and/or blue. That is real and you will get stabbed for it, probably not just for the colors but because you're a good target for a gang initiation. I have friends who've lived in these so called bad parts of CA and never did anything about avoiding getting gang'ed on. Never got stabbed, never got mugged, never got broken into. No nothing. Its shameful. These are supposed to be dangerous places. They even heard gunshots many nights so they knew they were in the right place, so why didn't they get beaten up ? If you want to convince me, I'm going to have to see your stab scars. Otherwise I think a lot of this stuff is BS. Op would have to wear the really wrong combo of things in the really wrong neighborhood and also look passibly like the right race to actually get attacked for it. And that's assuming his attacker gets close enough to recognize the tiny little letters on his jacket. He's more likely to get a piano dropped on his head if you ask me.

>>7998 >I hope you accidentally wear gang colors Only street gangs here that give a fuarrrk about color schemes are football hooligans. And they typically use quite easy to identify schemes of colors and geometric patterns of a football clubs. It's rather low risk I match these colors by accident. Also most of gangs in other countries that use colors and I am aware of generally can recognize who is part of their or other gang and wear colors as identification element and tell apart people who just happen to wear same color just because such color exists. >so that you get jumped and beaten by some skinhead biker gang tweaked out on meth. I have never in my life seen skinhead bikers. Also you are probably mistaking generally cool skinheads with group that skins generally call "boneheads". In that case I too don't remember seeing mix of biker-bonehead even in the picture or even hearing about such a combo. Boneheads doing meth also does not compute as they mostly see drugs as degeneration. So to sum up - you barely understand what you are writing about. Try going out of basement sometimes before posting ridiculous judgmental cringe about people you do not know.

>>8009 where specifically? I have a friend who got jumped in Salinas (not badly hurt though, just robbed), and I find it really hard to believe that anyone would ever think their car is safe in San Francisco.

>>8015 I don't know California too well, let alone the Great Cities, and even if I did I'd probably not say cause doxxx. Suffice it to say they heard gunshots 'most nights' in the vicinity and were regularly told by people (i.e. cab drivers and others) that it was a dangerous neighborhood and they really need to move somewhere better. As I recall there was no car they were trying to keep safe, but lots of late night strolls and early morning runs.

>>8016 hmm, kinda sus. I used to hear gunshots sometimes but there wasn't really a lot of gang violence in my neighborhood, people got stabbed by meth heads a couple times a year that's it. Salinas is the only town I know of that has a huge gang problem in the modern day, Compton might have improved a bit in recent times.

>>8017 At any rate, if the best we can from personal experience come up with as far as being mugged in one of these places is 'well a friend of mine once got robbed' and 'general wisdom is dont leave valubles in your car', then my point is just maybe these places are generally not actually that dangerous to people trying to mind their own buisness who happen to be in them. forgive me if my description of the location triggers your sus alarms, the last time I was in California was when I drove through once like five years ago on the way to oregon. Yosemite is nice. That about sums up my direct experience of the state. I can look them up but names like salinas and compton mean nothing to me. Imagine being a Belgian and trying to explain to a stereotypical american about the different villages near where you grew up. That's me when it comes to CA. As maybe you can guess from my being here my friend is a tech bro and he lived in a tech bro city. I don't even know the name it was close to san fransisco. Just in a poorer place where he could have a cheap techflat and not live out of a techvan in the techcampus, and where most of the neighbors were more colorful and less techbro.

>>7693 i beg you to consider going outside

>>7693 Have you considered that OP might only wear this to concerts where other people understand what he has on his jacket? OP never directly said this was his everyday wear.

If you sew them on then you have a better chance of correcting your mistake but you also have to learn how to sew. If you use fabric glue then you are in a riskier situation of fuarrrking up because you may rip the denim taking it off. Not sure why this thread immediately derailed to how to avoid gang violence.

sewing is stupidly easy. Have a needle ? have some thread ? you're set. It might even be cheaper than fabric glue even if you dont have needle&thread just around, and you should cause they're darned handy. These arent structurally important seams, visibility doesn't matter much. Any idiot could do it provided you're not an amputee. Even OP I'd wager.

>>8090 Sewing by hand is easy but being good at it isn't a given.

did you read what I said ? he doesnt need to be good at it. He's sewing patches onto a jacket. Its supposed to look Cool and Amateur. They're not structurally significant stitches, they hold little patches on the back of the jacket. The perfectly good back of the perfectly good patches, which exist only for decoration. If this were /sew/ing general where we were giving advice to people trying to sew pants crotches or who knows what where sometimes the stitching actually matters, or even if we were talking about sewing structural repair patches onto damaged fabrics, or straps onto a bag where there's actually going to be force on the stitches, or perhaps if this were a rain jacket where there might be some sort of weatherproofing layer that excessive needlepunches could damage, or if this were a leather with all the concerns that implies and not just denim, then sure, I'd conceed, there's some skill and finess and intelligence that can go into making the best stitches, and it matters somewhat to do things well. But we're talking about qt decorative patches on a denim jacket thats probably in decent shape. OP could be terrible at it, but it doesnt matter cause these stitches don't matter. And if he somehow manages to mess it up so badly that they just fall off at some point, which would be by the way very incredible, then what, some qt decorative patch fell off. Big deal. Sew them back on and do it better this time with all that new skill and wisdom obtained from watching them fail.

It's been over a month. Any updates, OP? >>8090 Welcome to lainchan. Please be respectful.

>>8093 familam I've been here since way back in the kalyx days. The chap I was responding to was disrespecting OP by advancing the implication that OP couldn't just learn to sew adequately on the fly. I am full of respect for OP, and for you I might add, for I take you both to be fine fellows who both have the ability to accomplish easy tasks like learning to sew, and to take friendly jabs about the same, among other things, in good humour. If you want politeness, that is alright. But politeness is not respect, and one can frequently be found where the other is lacking. ~~~ Also keenly listening if OP has any updates. Kindly post photos or further questions, or else we'll have to assume you got mugged.

>>8092 If OP wants to wash it ever the stitches need to hold.

>>8095 alright then if thats how you feel lain lets give him some real advice. >STEP No. 1 Gently wash the jacket and every patch. Probably just by putting them in water in a bucket (individually) and checking that they don't bleed dye, if they do try and rinse them till they dont. Sometimes especially on freshly dyed things colours bleed. Or maybe it just makes you look cool and goth and you dont care. So do what thou wilt (its the law). >STEP #2 PREPARE THY WORKSPACE lay out all the patches on the jacket and make sure they're in the right position. Mark it, with soft pencil or charcoal, so that you can position them again one by one as you sew 'em on. Make sure the jacket is flat while you do this, and that the patches don't move while you are marking. >STEP NUMBER 3 COMMENCE THY SEWING sewing is ez. Get a needle. Get some thread. Put the thread through the little whole on the needle. if its a hand sewing needle and it should be, that is on the not poky side. There are a number of philosophies with respect to sewing things, so DO WHAT THOU WILT and do what seems to work. For example, an easy way to start might be: Cut a decent length peace of thread. Lets say 30 inches (1km if you're a euro). Thread it through the needle whole. This can be tricky, I usually wet the thread with my tounge or a bit of bee's wax to get it more cohesive. Also helps to make sure you cut cleanly so there arent loose bits. Pull that thread half way through, so if you hang the needle like a plumb you have the thread ends meet at the zenith. Tie a naught up top there, doesnt really matter how, and make it a big one. The point of this not is to anchor thy thread. Anchoring stitches is an important concept in sewing theory. Now we make the first stitches. Begin on whichever patch you want. Make sure the jacket is flat and tightly pulled out. I'd start my first stitch by punching the needle in in the middle or corner, really wherever, slightly underneath where the patch is supposed to go. Thats cause I usually care about hiding stitches, maybe you dont so DO WHAT THOU WILT (dood). Pull the needle out a little distance away (man am I going to do this for every stitch), lets say 5mm (7 hands for the imperialists) out from where you put it in, still underneath the patch, and then do the same thing again. ############|# ##--O#---#------->#|# ############|# should look like this. THis is from the outside of the jacket . #=jacket fabric --=your thread O=the BIG naut you tied earlier >=my needle |=border where the patchs edge will be. All the action here is UNDER the patch. then go back again under the patch of thread and tie another not there. Anchoring man. Really gets me going. SO NOW WE'RE READY commence Pull out your patch numero Uno and lets dig in. Pick one thats a bit lighter/softer/seems like itwill be easy to stab repeatedly with your needle so you can get some practice without having to worry about force too much. Line it up on your jacket and figure out where the thread is going to come in. it should be close to the edge already, if not then do another stitch to get it closer. Then PENETRATE the first patch right on the edge with your SHARP and HARD needle. If circumstances are bad then this might require a lot of force, against the delicate skin of your fingers. If thats the case you need to go develop calluses, or just get something hard to push the needle through. If it needs a lot of f0rce you may want to use a thicc needle so you don't bend it too much. I use a peice of leather or a thimble to protect my fingertips sometimes but whether this matters I can't see well from your photo so whatever. Protection goes on the part that providing the PENETRATING FORCES, if its your first time and you're not careful you can easily cause some bleeding, so if there's a lot of force involved, be duly cautious. How much force inv0lved depends a lot on the patch and how thick and tough it is. So now we have ^ | --------- ___|____ ^=needle ---=patch _=jacket |=thread Now place the patch on the jacket where its supposed to be, and pull the thread tight (gently). Do a few more ez pz stitches. Think about it like making a spiral bound notebook, just going along the edge of the cover in a little spiral. Stitches should be kinda tight, but dont worry man. If they're less than 1 quarter inch apart you're probably gOod (27 cents in canada). After that stop, and remember my coments about ANCHORING. Now that we've got a couple centimeters attached (keep pulling that thread tight, not too much just to remove slack) (much less than 1 queue bit), we're gonna do another not. Just do this by making a loop like you've been doing, and threading the thread through it, and do that lets say twice. Yeah. Twice. Why not. You can also stitch a wee bit back, or whatever. Doing a naut every so often is easy though, and with denim and these patches lots of fancy stitches are g0ing to be hard cause the material is thick as pea soup. The idea is basically to get it nice and TIGHT so that should a single stitch break, the whole group sorta sticks together anyway, whole thing doesnt unravel anyway. Do this all around the patch, one by one. And keep them sorta small and nice. And dont get too worried. If yer thread breaks, just sorta start how you did in the beginning. Dont worry too much, trim and tuck the loose threads under the patch and start a bit before you ended up. likewise when you run outta thread. >Chaper IV: END OF THRED eventually you'll run out of thread. Even happens to me s0metimes. Good to start thinking about stopping when you get close to two needle lengths of thread left, as work is really hard when you have less than about one. Tye a really nice ANCHOR BABY into that jacket back and cut'er loose, and then just start over like we did in the beggining. EZ as pie. Do the same when you've finished with a patch. Epilogue: *things to bare in mind* Keep thread tight but not too tight. Some types of stitches you can bunch up the fabric if its light and loose, denim should be resistant to that. Also keep the fabric tight, and flat, so it doesnt get bunched up. Every so often step back and admire your work so you can see the big picture when you screw up and fix it before you ruin your jacket. Keep anchoring things. Good styles of stitches do that automatically, this is an easy style thats good still and easy-er on thiccc stuff like you're working with. If you mess up just cut it out. get a small knife and rip the stitches out and do it again. no big deal. Theres obviously other ways to do this, dont worry just DO IT LETS GOOOOOOOO Hope that covers it.

>>8094 go being toxic somwhere elese

Did OP forget they made this thread or was there a tragic sewing accident?

>>8166 Op didn't use a thimble, stabbed himself, and died of blood loss. RIP

>>8186 > died of blood loss eternal bleeding

>>8187 not internal or external?

>>9462 i would post a meme, but you would have had to have lurked for over 7 years to get it

>>8008 yeah no one here gives a soykaf about any of this. maybe it would be different if you were riding a motorcycle tho. idk. patch vests are so common now. you don't get beat up for dressing like a punk anymore. t. random american metalhead

trad anything is extremely fuarrrking lame

This soykaf is ugly as fuarrrk, I wish a mod would put this thread out of its misery.

>>11231 The trad in tradgoth is completely unrelated to how trad is usually used online nowadays. It basically just means goths who focus the aesthetic on punk/postpunk goth culture instead of industrial goth culture.

Don't put on basic-bitch Siouxsie or Sisters patches or wear the tradgoth uniform like you just discovered the subculture on tiktok (which you have) unless you're willing to own looking like a babybat. Attend gigs of bands you like, support their music and buy their merch, and do something unique with your style. Don't be a poser. Also autopsy thread works better than dental floss, and you can dye things black.

>>7692 First step would be taking HRT and SSRIs