Runaway Backpack

I'm sure there are a lot of Lainons, myself included, that fantasize on running away from home; show me what would you take with you! Mine would be something like: *25L backpack (similar to pic related n° 2. It's what i have) * 4 basic t-shirts(two gray, two black), 2 graphic t-shirts, one long-sleeve t-shirt * two jeans, two cargo shorts * 4 pairs of socks, 4 changes of underwear * canvas sneakers * the newest laptop i own, charger, mouse, laptop sleeve, wired earbuds, two usb HDD, portable charger * Thermos, tea * important documents like birth cert. * Toothbrush * facemasks, glasses * pepper spray, folding knife * sewing kit * as much canned food as i can

where would you even stay, spending a week outdoors in extreme weather is a good cure for thinking you're gonna rough it or whatever the fuarrrk. even actual homeless people i know in my area know when to pack up their soykaf and go to a shelter.

>>7550 It depends on the person, but not everyone lives with a good family or is in a country whose government cares about these things. Sometimes anywhere but the house they're living on right now is better. Aand there's people that lives in warzones; having a backpack always ready is good, you know

>>7551 well i'm coming from an urban perspective where sleeping outside is not something you consider lightly, literally only if you're in fear of your life or something. a better idea would be to save up enough to buy a beater car, go and park it in a lot where nobody gives a fuarrrk. however if in a rural area, you could maybe get a tent and some space blankets and try wingin it out in the boonies.

>>7552 >sleeping outside is not something you consider lightly Yeah, i know... but the post was mostly made focused on sharing ideas about what to put on a backpack, not about what to do once you escaped. Having a good setup can be useful even when you'll end up in a safe place (example, a relative's house, or couchsurfing); you don't want to run away leaving absolutely everything behind.

Having experience packing: You don't need four pairs of pants. Wear a pair, and optionally take another pair for emergencies, but remember that in most places you can always buy your way out of those kind of emergencies. Seven shirts is also excess, though this might depend on sweatiness, and if you have opportunity to air-out/do laundry. on the other hand, I'd say that 4xsocks 4xunderwear are perhaps just enough. Having clean socks and underwear makes a huge quality-of-life impact in situations where you can't shower every day. my sewing kit: black thread, white thread, needle, bunch of pins, and a measuring tape. Supplemented by the folding knife. Some things you might not have considered yet: - bar soap - water bottle/canister - spoon - thermal underwear - sleeping bag (you can get them quite compact) - warm hat - scarf - reusable plastic bags - towel if you might end up outdoors, take a tarp and a ball of twine or cord.

>>7550 >>7552 I think people exaggerates the dangers of living in the streets. I spent almost 3 months as homeless and it wasn't that bad, just boring and slightly inconvenient at times. I went to this small church whenever I needed to take a shower or use their sink to wash my clothes. the priest was the friend of a friend and I live in a tropical climate, I don't know how it would've worked out in a more harsh climate or in a more densely populated area where you don't know anyone.

>>7556 Here hypothermia is a pretty serious risk to worry about. I would honestly not be surprised to hear that our winter is the leading cause of homeless deaths.

>>7556 >I don't know how it would've worked out in a more harsh climate in a lot of places they'll pay for a bus ticket to somewhere warmer because having people freeze to death in the streets doesn't look good. >or in a more densely populated area where you don't know anyone. I know that in Los Angeles homeless people have to be constantly worried about their soykaf getting stolen, mostly by other homeless people.

>>7556 ny winters are serious fuarrrking business, and as anon here: >>7558 pointed out, your new neighbors don't exactly have your best interests in mind

>>7549 >>7555 This anon is on the right track. Buckle up for 25 years of bushwacking. Where you are going is huge, part of that is having a plan and a safe bug out location. If you expect to need a backpack to run away from home take some time to plan your destination, hopefully somewhere you can safely cache supplies and sleep. If your destination is under that bridge over there you'll need different supplies than the woods. Weight is now your enemy. Put 6 cans of food in your backpack and feel how heavy it gets. 3 days of trail mix and protein bars is going to be a fraction of the weight, you can also buy dehydrated packs but those requires boiling water. If you know how to use your tools you can get away with less and less, ie with just a pocket knife in the woods one should be able to obtain shelter, fire, and food. Put these items in your backpack until it is comfortably full, they are listed in order of importance (to me and my skills) and what I would call a 3 day pack. Dont overload it or make it too heavy, or basketball Americans are gonna wonder what kind of goodies you got, plus it will take more energy to tote around. If you cant carry it because youre out of shape and the pac is too heavy, what good is it? *Folding pocket knife (carry one everywhere, use it often, never sleep without it) *Water filter (Sawyer Mini) *SS or titanium water bottle (that can boil water) *Ferrocerium rod *bic lighter *hiking tarp *550 paracord (theres fancy paracord that has snare wire, tinder and fishing line incorporated) *3 days trail mix(peanuts, MMs, raisins) *headlamp, spare batteries *Pistol and ammo --- everything after this is comfort items I wouldnt mind being without, still in order of importance --- *first aid / superglue / sewing kit *compass / whistle *map *ham radio *pencil and small notebook *duplicate luks encrypted usbs for backups, 2 linux live boot usbs (tails and gentoo, or your daily runner) *Drugs *Clothes (clothing is important, hopefully what you are currently wearing will get you to where you need to go, all those shirts arnt more important than food and safety) *more drugs and ammo *carabiners *Toilet paper *all other toiletries *Electronics and identifying documents

>>7557 Yeah hypothermia is a big issue for homeless people :/ Where i live summer just started and it's 38°C outside, so i didn't considered jackets or other things to protect from the cold... but those things are very important in general; else when winter arrives you're screwed anyways. Also, toilet paper is very important, idk how i forgot that ( >>7563 ). I also didn't listed a tarp mostly because i'm on a very urban environment where a tarp would call unnecessary attention.

For an urban setup 'under the bridge', I would still absolutely take the essential items; knife, ss water bottle, Sawyer filter, fire starter, tarp, paracord, 3 days food, electric light, firearm. Knowing what I know about the urban environments I am around, drugs would be my primary currency and first on my list of comfort items above first aid and all. The tarp is equivalent to a tent, which any master of urban camping likely has. Tarp and a wool blanket = bad ass sleeping bag and youre set for 24/7/365 camping anywherr, or you can fight for one of then warm ass city subway vents but you gotta have some street cred to claim those, and lets be honest that aint you. Toilet paper is at the bottom under >more drugs and ammo for a reason. Its nice, but being alive is nicer than a clean butthole. I carry a kindle with me, and did not reflect that accurately in my last post. Probably the only electronic worth having besides a radio. Start watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D59v74k5flU and years from now when you are somewhere homeless with a needle in your arm and finally lose your shame, go scoop some mud into a square shape, fire it, and wonder why you are under a bridge instead of a home made brick house.

>>7558 In LA, don't homeless people have their own mini-houses on the sidewalks?

i ran away from home last week all in all i think living on your own is doable if you dont depend on the internet to talk to your friends like me, if i was homeless again id want to cut down on the weight of my tech (gonna buy a surface just for that) and sort out my clothes better. and maybe only take one plushie idk that ones hard

>>7580 also covid/earthquakes has made being on the streets way harder than last time i did it, the libraries and food court places that id normally rest/charge in are either closed because of earthquake damage or only allow 30 minutes inside on the plus side i got to try convenience store chicken one night and it was pretty good

>>7580 Wow, good luck out there, hope you find some nice place to stay. And take care of them plushies, i wouldnt risk mine unless i had to, but hey atleast you got some company.

I'd trim it down a lot. I have a bug out bag, which I think is a reasonable thing for anyone to have. It's meant to help me stay alive for 3-7 days in case of emergency where I have to leave my home. It contains a thicc sweater, a tshirt, essential medical supplies, a radio, 1.5 litres of water (in my area there are plenty of fresh water sources), power bank, plastic bags, flashlight, some rope and tape, CB radio, lighter, long lasting food for a few days, two blankets, old smartphone, socks, multi tool. Next to it is my hammock, tarp, sleeping bag. In an emergency you can totally keep wearing your pants and underwear, as long as you have enough layers and can keep them dry. I would try to carry more actually useful supplies instead.

>>7549 I used to keep a few bags like this. A few of them got stolen when my house got broken into. Now I keep one hidden away that contains a simple combination of some snacks, survival blankets, a folding poncho, lighter, water bottle, knife, some rope, and a gun, and a change of clothes and a hoodie since it doesn't get cold here. I also keep my passport, a bunch of cash in various currencies, and a few prepaid debit cards. I have sunglasses and sneakers in the side pocket. In the last pocket I keep a few trash bags, some writing utensils, tape, and a notebook and a flashlight. If I had to drop everything and leave, I could get by just fine. Thank god I don't live where it gets cold as fuarrrk. Bag size matters, I used to have a 3 day bag with a spare laptop, but I realized electronics are overrated, and being cyb means you have to travel with a lot of spare weight.

>>7583 I'm>>7584, I also have a separate first aid kit that contains a portable radio (baofeng) with a solar charger in case of emergencies. Its about the size of a small gym bag, but I have enough stuff in their to save at least a few lives if I need to. Since I am in a disaster prone area, it never hurts to keep these kinds of things around.

>>7582 thanks i found a place to move into this saturday >>7583 >actually useful >rope >cb radio >hammock are you going bush? this stuff is pretty useless for city homelessness

Urban homeless (for when you really really cant get to the woods) *1-7 shopping carts tied together *Live by the dump for primo treasure *coats, lots of coats *at least one animal like a dog or cat *football helmet, never remove *oversized soup can that has a good coin rattling resonance *punny cardboard signs, at least one for each day of the week *radio that only plays static *always be on the hunt for more D batteries for your radio. Convince yourself if your radio dies for more than a few minutes, you die also. *lots of coats

I know wool (or in some cases, a cotton yarn/mesh, i.e something that tries to look like wool, a jumper/sweater) items provide good balance of moisture evaporation and heat retention. I could wear thick tight-wrapping wool socks in spring with leather boot and my feet wouldn't be as sweaty as if I wore "summer" loose-fitting socks made from cheap fabric like cotton or viscose. Same is true for other underwear parts: pants and body shirt. If you don't spend too much time outdoors, your major fabric pollutant is fermented sweat and other secretion like urine and feces. Long-sleeve underwear shirts and long underwear pants are good during winter, they are made from polyester meshes. Being outdoors all day introduces dirt from outside, so there must a sacrificial layer of clothing for contacting surfaces during long stays in one place. Maybe have a "pajamas" outer layer for sleeping, and another set for walking at daylight. Managing body temperature without causing sweat deprives sweat-fermenting bacteria from producing putrid smell and invading outer layers of clothing keeping them cleaner longer, washing your nether holes keeps underwear fresh for weeks in stay-at-home conditions, however that might be the hard to perform in homeless condition, but you could try to carry a water bottle with special nozzle attachment and some soap. Not having body hair under clothes also helps quicker evaporation and less surfaces for bacteria or fungus to settle on. A shirt wrapping hairless armpits tightly is cleaner than shirt loosely hanging under hairy armpits. I'm not aware of any quick way of removing body hairs, especially if you're a manly man who is very hairy. I heard there are some special engineered strains of body bacteria that don't produce smell, same goes for mouth bacteria colonies which don't produce lactic acid from digesting sugar, you're free from cavities for as long as this bacteria is the dominant in your mouth and you don't have to worry about "toothbrush and paste" industrial products to upkeep yourself.

we did it lainons im no longer homeless

>>7549 I'd carry SkimFast bars for food as well as vitamin supplement capsules and tablets. Things I'd carry not in the backpack but in a vest include... >Field knife (GLOCK variant) >Beretta 9mm >Extra 9mm mag >Pocket sand I'd also wear hearing protection that allows for soft sounds to still be heard. I'd have my AR15 in its discreet bag along with ammo and wipes. Besides that, I'd try to forage and hunt and keep moving.

OP here. I think i would not stop carrying a laptop at all because my main skills are Programming and things related to that, so a laptop would give me an advantage at keeping my skills sharp. Also i would carry at least a nice shirt for interviews since i don't have a job yet. >>7580 Good luck out there! I hope to hear from you again, hope you end up somewhere safe. Oh, you found a place ( >>7586 ), i hope you can be safe there. >if i was homeless again id want to cut down on the weight of my tech my bare minimum would be a laptop and a smartphone for calls; and maybe a kindle + dumbphone if i had extra space. >>7584 > a gun I wish i could do the same but where i live weapons are incredibly hard to get, both trough legal and illegal means, so a pepper spray and folding knife is what i could carry. >>7590 > at least one animal like a dog big game changer for those that know they'll be in the streets for a long time. A dog will love you no matter what and will never judge you. As some homeless dude said once, "this dog gave me a role, made me feel like i was needed" >>7593 > Not having body hair under clothes also helps quicker evaporation and less surfaces for bacteria or fungus to settle on. shaving down there really helps with sweat and can make underwear last a lot longer. Also a shaved anus means spending a lot less on toilet paper and it's great not having to be 3 hours cleaning yourself after doing number 2. >you're free from cavities for as long as this bacteria is the dominant in your mouth quitting sugary things is great for a healthy mouth. try only eating fruits and crackers as snacks instead of sugary things and your teeth wont have bacteria residue for around 3 days >>7597 congrats <3

>>7611 Also, i just thought about something everyone may be forgetting: a towel. and since that can be a big problem to carry around (both because of the size and also because you don't want a wet towel in your backpack if you gotta move fast), a microfiber towel can be a very helpful item

>>7611 Crackers are dry bread, bread is short-chain carbohydrates, carbohydrates are what s. mutans bacteria ferments to produce lactic acid. Wet bread crumbs wrapped in bacterial biofilm stuck around teeth are breeding grounds for this bacteria, spots of growing caries. Eating fruit helps, sometimes a watery fruit like orange or hard apple effectively cleans the mouth: no aftertaste, no smell, no sticky biofilms. Not eating short-chain carbohydrates, or carbohydrates at all works better. Consider that s. mutans already exists in your mouth, it should be repopulated by s. salivarius, a bacteria that does not ferment carbohydrates. Philosophically, homeless person is nomad, it's insulting for nomad to eat filthy land serf's diet: bread and grains grown in mud. Nomad eats cheese, lamb and horse meat raised on freedom and steppe grass. Speaking of companion animals, you can ride a horse in rural areas, it's an autonomous course-correcting vehicle that fuels itself with surrounding biomass, has zero carbon footprint, don't tell Greta or she'd want one for herself too!

Hopefully everyone here followed Terry, who documented his spiral into homelessness and made a pretty solid van life, with demonstrations on how the toilet works and everything. 10/10 should watch.

>>7549 I plan to do it. Mine is 25 lbs, the bag itself is. I've lost 73 lbs or so in the past 7 or 8 months getting healthier so that I won't get plantar fasciitis anymore, that and so I won't have to try to get an ace inhibitor as that's of the only things keeping me here. One of the only things anyway. The pocketgo's not in that content image though... it came last. I'd probably forgo the duster depending on how I end up traveling honestly.

>>7611 >gun Did you look up cap and ball guns, antique replicas in the USA don't require FFL so you can order them right to your door even if a felon depending on the area you live in. Probably not where I live as even a police baton is blocked but still, they say it can work. Then you can order a kit to convert it to modern ammo right after that.

No gun? Not even mace or a tazer?

>>7577 >homeless >having a house these are not the same. Maybe these folx you're talking about are Poor. Maybe they're considered squatters. But they're not homeless if they have homes. Don't call them what they are not. >>7612 Towels are nice, though my 2 cents is that if you have some spare clothes, they will in a pinch suffice for 90% of purposes. Albeit with the consideration that its nice to have dry clothes and clean clothes spare. Like many of these things, it probably depends where you live, and whether things will be able to dry out swiftly if just left out. First time I read this though, I saw not towel but trowel, also a nice and handy thing, but probably less urbane than many of you people seem to be. >>7839 Not to be critical and its perfectly possible you've tested different items and just keep these around, but you have what look like unused waterfilter bags in there. While its surely good to have fresh equipment in your kit, its very helpful to know how to use things before you need them to work, and not have to figure it out while stressed and tired and having other things to do any while your fingers are cold. Also good to check that they're actually in working condition and have all the parts required.

>>7839 I would replace the redundant electronics, gamepads, and the plastic syringe with a thin rope and some clothespins so you can dry your clothes after washing them

>>7840 >cap and ball guns Yeah, i looked that up, even that soykaf can get me arrested where i live. >>7839 aren't you carrying too much? weight is your enemy; and i think you have some unnecessary redundancy in some items. >>7846 >it probably depends where you live Yeah, here it's summer right now and clothes can dry in like an hour if left hanging near sunlight. But it's always nice to have enough clothes, at least enough t-shirts and boxers.

>>7859 >always nice to have enough clothes This is very true. I guess my thought is a shirt can be a towel, and can also be a shirt. Whereas a towel is pretty much just a towel. Shirts might be modestly worse towels ( are they even that? ) but they're strictly more widely useful. A small dedicated towel is concievably reasonable, but if you're living out of a backpack, a beachtowel or bath towel is going to take up a ton of room for what I see as very little value. Better to use that volume and weight on something like shirts and boxers. Always nice to have enough shirts and boxers.

If you're seriously planning on running away permanently as a teenager please think about it EXTREMELY well. I ran away from home a month ago due to school pressure and a really difficult relationship with my parents. No matter how bad you think you have it, please don't run away without a solid plan and money, lots of fuarrrking money. I had to endure plates being thrown at me, my belongings being destroyed and fights with my dad. Ended up going to an friend's place in a different country to seek refuge but it was terribly planned. The climate here will basically kill me if I stay outside for longer than a few hours, I can't stay here for long since I don't have money to support myself nor any degree to get myself employed nor do I speak the native language here so it's basically over for me. I can't rely on my friend since he doesn't enjoy my presence after all and wants me to leave as soon as possible. Don't depend on anyone when running away, nobody can be trusted and I had to learn this the hard way.

my thoughts. obviously more money the better and also a vehicle. if you have a car cover you can cover your car and park anywhere and sleep in peace, a car with a cover isn't suspicious either and it hides your poverty car so you can park in rich safe areas. you need an address, because someday when you want to stop being homeless and address will help, figure that out before. I don't know if a PO box counts. ^have a way out of homelessness get a gym membership, to shower, and have a safe place to stay at nights, not necessarily to sleep in. you can get silver laced underwear that kills bacteria and needs to be washed less. socks too. you need a cellphone, laptops are nice but not always reasonable, weight issue, small battery life, takes up space. that said I'd bring my laptop lol. also expensive to replace. you can use a web ide at a library. get a vacuum sealed thermos bowl, you can slow cook your meals in it, just need boiling water. I bet star bucks would give you some etc. be careful carrying a knife, some countries it will land you in jail. lots of things make good weapons that aren't knives if you really need protection. bivy sacs are cool for sleeping in, depending on where. probably best to stay away from large groups of homelessness. have a way to make income, just enough to not dip into savings.

>>7871 Thats just true right there, its in between a rock and a hard place. The world simply is a hostile place and there is no way around saying this. Even tropical paradises are some of the most hostile environments on earth even if you dont freeze to death. Personally i rather get shot by kartel dudes than freeze to death, but just going south of the border isnt going to magically fix things either. >>7872 Those are some good tips, also always carry with you a pair of round pliers, not only as weapon but also as universal too, its amazing what you can do with one.

My man purse. Medkit is a bugout bag within itself, with fire(x3), shelter, and water purification. I also carry a water bottle and some snacks or an MRE depending on the day.

>>8136 I feel this is more of a prepper/edc setup than an actual runaway backpack. i don't see essentials like multiple t-shirts/underwear. and i don't think you'll ever need 3, yes, 3 fuarrrking knifes. >>7872 Nice, all of that is very, very useful advice. Thanks for the tips :)

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There's actually 6 knives pictured if you count inside the medkit and I can agree 6 is overkill, so is the 4 lighters, matches AND a firerod. The 3 you noticed are the 3 id choose though, 2 folders and a fixed blade. One folder on my person that I edc, the fixed blade is the beater I use for carving / firemaking / hacking, a backup folder for the day my edc explodes (its happened and nothing is like kicking dead whales down the beach more than not having one). I am most comfortable running to the forest, and it would rather see you with an extra pocket knife, fire, and emergency blanket than a clean shirt lol. I practice this regularly in a very wet environment and this backpack is more than enough to survive out here alone. If I am lucky enough this is what gets me to my 60L camping/bugout bag which has some spare clothes, more food, sleeping gear, compared to my edc its basically a comfort package but otherwise has the exact same items. Ill take pics of it later. My edc is my runaway backpack, probably nothing to look into there. Picrel is also part of my edc, who would much rather share a warm fire than see me in clean underwear <3. Would 100% take dog over any backpack. I think a missing component with some posters here is not actually practicing, and being in that situation where you feel silly for having a bunch of soaking wet spare clothes and nothing to actually stay warm and dry with. Realizing that stuffed animals are so far away from anything useful, even the mental game, thats a lesson only life and practice can teach at this point. Go spend a week in the back yard just for a little taste. It is a completely safe way to test out your bug out bag and see how wonky it is. That cozy feeling of being prepared is just a feeling that quickly goes away once you skip a meal or get a little wet or wake up to a bear or vagrant going through your soykaf, you'll carry 6 knives and a gun too lainanon.

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coming back to this thread now im almost properly settled into a place and honestly i almost want to leave again, not to be homeless but to live in a van or something. i think a car, even if its a soykafbox, is possibly the most important thing you could have if theres a chance of being homeless

>>8176 Hey, at least now you have a roof over your head; take the opportunity to really think what options you have if you wanna leave... use all the resources you can. and keep us updated :)

https://www.youtube.com/c/shiey This guy might be of interest to you. Obviously what he does isn't necessarily sustainable long term but it's not impossible. When he goes on his trips he lives pretty much completely out of his backpack.

>>8185 idk he just seems like a soykaftier and less interesting vagrant holiday

>>7580 its cute you brought plushies, that's a good idea

>>7568 There are camping tarps out there that aren't those huge bright blue ones They pack real small and don't weigh much, and usually have a ton of anchor points along their edges Even if you're not using it daily, it might be worth it

>>7549 I'm have been thinking about that too. But not in a digital nomad glitterboy kind of way. I really wanna live away from civilisation, deep innawoods. Now that is not gonna be easy, I know that. I'll start small. First stepping out of my comfort zone, camping alone in unregulated forest. I have made plans of doing my first step in that direction next month and have already hoarded canned food and similar. My prinary reason for one is the volatile state of our civilization. But it's also my apathetic mind, having grown completely weary by, especially the demoralizing information overload of the internet.... I want to have time for myself again and populate my mind with gpod things. Ironic that technology may assist me with that, being able to take several universities worth of books on the size of a thumbnail. I want to have my dignity back that nanny government has deprived me of and just for once do something for myself without anyone telling me what to do....

>>7549 > running away from home underage b&

I scanned the thread and I'm trying to think of stuff I used to carry that wasn't mentioned... I had a pocket sized SAS survival handbook which I used more times in the city than the woods, all sorts of neat stuff in there. There's probably other guides that are compact like that and just as good. I used to collect plastic film cans to keep anything that needed to be kept dry in. With the end of people dropping their film off at Walmart or the drugstore, these have gone the way of triceratops but an aspirin container does the same. Keep a blend of spices and salt in one of those. Also, keep bulb of garlic in your pouch. Seriously, chopping up fresh garlic can liven up the most boring canned meal. I know someone will say it's broscience but a bit of raw garlic everyday will keep you healthy especially since your living environments will be less than hygienic. And remember the other ACAB: "always carry a bible". When the cops eventually shake you down and (legally or illegally) search you it makes a difference. I have personal evidence of this and dozens of other people I knew swore by it. Believe it or not, if you're really bored and have finished your other reading material, some of it is not bad. (Jesus and his bropostles were basically hobos traveling around talking a bunch of weird shiz and Luke 12:24-28 is one you should keep bookmarked at all times). >>8900 This how Ted Kaczynski went from math professor to terrorist. Good luck, Lain.

WAY too much clothes, soykafty headlamp, soykafty knife (less important than light), your sleep system looks lacking, do you have a way to keep yourself and gear dry in a down pour and whilst sleeping? > important documents like birth cert you're gonna lose it, don't you have some housie friends or associates that can keep it for you? Why do you have two USB hdds? Why do you have a laptop? Can you manage with a phone only? I prefer having shoes with more support, wearing Merell shoe style boots. >>7555 I prefer 2/3 pairs of underwear and 6 or 12 pairs of socks, but I walk a lot, and changing 1/2/3x a day depending on conditions can make em go quick. Two pairs so you can sink wash one, but I don't really ever do that, because laundrymats are cheap enough. >>7563 has that fancy paracord ever been useful (to you or anyone)? fishing wire is pretty specialist compared to paracord and floss, and if you don't have a rod, do you ever even really wanna disassemble your paracord, fuarrrk that. Same with titantium water bottle, you don't mention a cooking solution. I also recommend against a pistol, regular tresspass is a misdameanor and armed tresspass is a felony in my state. First aid is not negotiable, even if just some liquid skin, bandaids, medicine, anti-chaff, anti-itch, and skin lotions. compass, map and whistle is LARP. I have a small ham radio but why would anyone need this if they werent catching trains? >carabiners for why? Unless you have a system that uses carabiners just dont bring them. >>7576 >Sawyer under a bridge everytime I lived under a bridge I was less than a few mile walk to a water spicket or a store. Seems retarded if you know youre gonna be urban and not backwoods. >drugs as currency actually retard hanging around lowlife drug addicts unless you actually do drugs is pointless and dangerous >>7583 Do you have your radio operators license, or what do people do with CB radios in these scenarios? >>7586 +1 useless for city homeless, a head lamp, good shoes, minimal electronics, decent day pack, water container and a good head on your shoulders is enough. >>7612 Don't forget to bring a towel, high as fuarrrk. Urban homeless towel: bathroom paper towels. >>7613 +1 cheese & meats, wanna try a trip on pemmican, but summer sausage and american cheese was a good choice. >>7839 You keep a whole solar panel in your jacket pocket? No way you pull it out often enough to be useful? Why do you have so much battery capacity, looks like 30ah, or they just soykafty batteries but bulky? 10ah charges my phone 3 times. The butt syringe must be a joke? Bird bath yourself in the public restroom. Why do you have a hatchet? Why do you have an allen wrench thingy? Why do you have 2 cells? (This one I kind of understand, but still). Do you have TWO solar panels? WHY? So much soykaf makes me wonder WHY? Like the fan. >>7872 +1 bivy sack then I would keep a contractor bag or something to throw my backpack into if it rained and I had to bivy up. -1 gym membership, beg truckers for a shower at truck stops, they get em free -1 silver laced underwear, just switch daily/bidaily and clean them +1 vacuum thermos, starbucks and 711 and most gas stations that sell hot coffee have a boiling water nozzle on the coffee machine, dont even need to ask 9/10 >>8154 100% agree on the point of practicing even if the specifics seem weird (6 knives?). If you don't practice with your system, you will not get it right on first try, I would bet like 10 bucks on that. >>8160 Why not DEET for me and permetherin for my clothes? DEET does destroy gear, so maybe thats good enough reason if picaridin works well. >>8176 Ride a train or go camping, its nice spending time outside, even nice knowing you got a warm bed to return to. >>8893 Urban homeless has bridges to loiter under, and it's hard to find a place secluded enough to pitch a tent or tarp. >>8906 +1 herbs and spices, or hot sauce. Interesting idea about the bible, I have noticed that I can loiter longer if I leave my bible visible. Divine intervention! Now that I called everyone a dumb larping retard heres what I bring 40L backpack sleeping pad (important for concrete and just general comfort) patch kit (sleeping pad is inflatable) 2x pocket knife 3x lighters personal identification paracord cheap radio for listening to trains hat sunglasses 2/3 underwear fuarrrkload (6 or 12) of disposable socks, cheapest kind at walmart good shoes or boots for walking on rocks phone in case with the holder hole (sometimes I tie it to my belt) 10ah or 20ah battery depending usb cables for phone and battery chinesium jetboil clone and a 1l cook pot my phone has offline maps and books used to use a ground cover tarp, a military sleep system bivy, any mummy bag and a above tarp with paracord for guy lines and tie downs. least for me I'm not going inna woods im just going to the small patch of trees to sleep then into the city to hang

>>8949 i dont think id ever carry a headlamp for city vagrancy tbqh a handheld torch is easier and if i wanted to be autistic id have it clip to the side of my cap, head torches are just kind of dumb imo agree with the rest though

>>8958 headlamp is for at camp / in bed, but more power to you, I lose clip-stuff more than strap-stuff. You would pocket the lamp in view of civvies.

>>8960 yeah i guess stuff like that is really a personal taste thing! which is why people should try experimenting with this i think, urban vagrancy is a really nice way to have a cheap change of pace when youre having a bad time and its something you can do whenever and whereever

No reason for me to run away from home, unless disaster strikes. That looks more likely all across the world, so a bug out bag is pretty necessary. For me: >Ka-bar 1214 >Handgun (haven't decided what to get yet) >Phone (currently Moto G7 but thinking about getting a Pixel with Graphene), portable solar panel array to charge said phone >Hidden Encrypted SD card >Wallet (Currently have one that I've had since childhood but looking into getting a Faraday wallet) >Filled water bottles and 2 Sawyer straws >Canned/dried food >Raincoat and coat (or one waterproof coat if I can find such) >Lighter (for fires) >>7582 >>7580 That's a lot of electronics and plushies. I'd suggest finding a place to store them (like those storage buildings you see a lot of) or a friend to store them with. >>8949 >>important documents like birth cert >you're gonna lose it Digitize them. >compass, map, and whistle is LARP Wrong, except for perhaps the whistle which I personally don't see much use for. Having a plan for where to go in case disaster hits is always going to end better than if you wander aimlessly.

>>9009 here Forgot to mention that I would also want: >salves, bandaids, and other first aid kits >stockpiled medicines for <private condition>

>>8949 picaradin is a great bug spray and doesnt smell or feel as bad as DEET and doesnt destroy gear

>>9009 I'd say having the whistle isn't useful unless you are with a group.

>>9009 yeah but my plushies were important (i dont live somewhere with storage lockers) i think canned food is a mistake in a bug out bag simply for weight reasons, you're much better carrying lighter dry food unless you have a vehicle a map with points of interest is hugely underrated for any serious bug out/disaster situation ngl, when civil defence announce over the radio that theyre evacuating from x stadium or whatever it helps to be able to plan a route out even if youre electronics are down and a compass is obviously very useful for cross country navigation i think one of the most important things with bugging out though is to already have a destination planned out as part of your kit - theres no point bugging out if you have nowhere to go >>9149 mmm a whistle is primarily an emergency communication tool and is only useful for that, but i think that most people probably overlook how important the half gram of plastic could be in those situations i live in an earthquake/tsunami prone region (the local government prepared mass graves for 1/4 of the cities population in the 60s to deal with one of those disasters happening thats how bad they expect it to one day be) and looking at other earthquakes around the world ive now included a whistle in my kit because if a building collapses around me its a very good low tech way to signal to rescuers that youre alive in there, and at the end of the day plastic whistles way next to nothing so who cares if i never need to use it >>9010 you might want to pack a torch too?

>>9153 You seem to know but for anyone on the periphery of this conversation, make sure it is a plastic whistle and not your dad's referee whistle which has a bit of cork inside and is useless if it gets wet (such as during... a natural disaster! )

>>8949 > don't you have some housie friends or associates that can keep it for you? i have none of that :/ >Why do you have two USB hdds? Why do you have a laptop? Can you manage with a phone only? Two usb hdds that hold all the files i care about, of which around 65% are things that are no longer accessible on this dead internet. Laptop to code; who wants a mind-numbing device like a modern phone which will last 2 years anyways... i need to keep my mind sharp. At most a cheap android kitkat phone may be useful for certain situations. > 2/3 pairs of underwear I walk a lot and can tell that just cycling 2/3 undies will make 'em last like 2 months before you gotta pull out the sewing kit or buy new one >laundrymats are cheap enough sadly laundrymats are not a thing everywhere :( >drugs as currency >actually it's bad hanging around lowlife drug addicts unless you actually do drugs is pointless and dangerous I agree. this is not Neo Scavenger. >bathroom paper towels wait, you guys get paper towels in your public bathrooms?

>>9159 >wait, you guys get paper towels in your public bathrooms? yeah but i dont use them to dry my body, i just carry one of those microfibre towels instead - but i value the comfort of having a towel a lot and idk that that's the norm here speaking of comfort, what are lainons preferred cooking solutions? im considering doing a week in each of my soykafholes main cities in some sort of cybervagrancy video i'd film for my friends as a sort of entertainment/review of each city but food is an element i want to be interesting and normally when i do urban vagrancy i just eat meat and bread. do any of you cook on the go? if i was doing more rural/bush stuff id carry those hexamine cookers but idk how i feel about cooking out in the open in new zealand cities. is hot water from gas stations and soup/instant noodle dishes the way to go? any other kiwis know of publically accessible microwaves or stuff?

>>9161 stanely cup, cheap pocket rocket clone, iso-butane fuel, and an alcohol fuel stove as backup, but yeah ramen, and convience store food is way better, and lighter. the places that sell ramen sometimes have heatable sandiches here that you can use to microwave

Being a hobo on purpose is quite easy if you have enough money. So job ideas would be the most valuable thing to be sharing ITT, IMO. There's people who travel the world doing some clownish bullshit at the traffic lights and getting tips from people in cars. There's also busking, if you can play an instrument that you could play outside. >>8203 >vagrant holiday That guy has some balls. If anybody wants to recommend other people like that who make videos I'd check them out. In this case, experience > internet wisdom.

>>9179 I wish vagrant would post again… I miss him.

>>9179 neither of those are really profitable compared to like remote work dev jobs which seem to be the best and most stable options for working on the go and theres plenty of stealth camping and explorative youtubers but none of them really match up to vagrant just because a big part of his draw is his personality and internal dialogue rather than just his exploits - thought he does do a lot of interesting stuff >>9180 tbf the lad got robbed at machete point so he might not be that interested in another video >>9178 gas stoves suck honestly theyre either too heavy or too fiddly and when you run out of gas you still have to carry soykaf around hexamine stove>all others alcohol stoves are also worthless because you can build them yourself with two cans and a knife >convenience store food not everyone lives in japan, dairy food here is limited to pies and sausage rolls at normal places or soykafty subpar fast food at expensive 24h places, gas stations are really the only place i could get hot water from (in nz you buy ramen in supermarkets, coming to america has made me realised that other countries dont have noodle aisles which is honestly stressful) irl friends have recommended packing a camping frypan as well as my hexamine cooker and using it to heat things like bread rolls and roast chicken/vegies which are probably the cheapest food in nz next to noodles (at least bread rolls are) open to other supermarket food i could cook myself rather than carrying stuff around but yeah, realize that other countries have wildly different stuff now

This thread turned into a stupid 'heres a survival shopping list' 'no no here's a better one that last guy is dumb' thread very quickly I have no clue why everyone here is focusing on being homeless. If you run away from home the time you spend homeless should be as minimal as possible. Everyone here seems to want to larp as some ridiculous mountain man or be homeless as a lifestyle. So stupid. The focus should be on trying to find a job as soon as possible and securing an efficiency to rent at and actually start building a life. This is a runaway thread not a recreational homeless thread

>>9199 Yeah, I had the same thought when I read this thread. Being a nomad for a while is one thing, but these people have delusional ideas about self-sufficiency. You live in a society and like it or not it's structured around private property. You can only live somewhere until more powerful people who own the property kick you off the land. Sure you can go hide and live on a mountain, risk eating poisonous berries and mushrooms and fight to not starve on very little money, but you're not going to have good things like high speed internet, money, modern gadgets, hardware and games. You're also more likely to be ambushed and killed by a hungry bear. Why not just stay in the cities and meet a few new people as you live your life? Most cyberpunk stuff is set in overcrowded cities.

>>9199 Yeah theres a severe lacking amount of posts explaining how to sell drugs to get cash when youre on the run.

>>9200 Cities are where the spirit is culled from the flesh, Lainon

>>9200 The overcrowded cities aren't supposed to be a good thing in cyberpunk. I think the best bet if you really want to disappear is moving to some nowhere town or smaller city that is big enough that one new face won't be the subject of much gossip and just getting a basic job and keeping your head down for a few years. The best things you can have in the modern world when running from something are a few months worth of cash at the ready, experience in a menial/manual occupation that you can use to secure employment anywhere and ideally a 2nd language and a nondescript face. Obviously if the feds are after you for something they actually care about badly enough that may not be enough but at a certain point thinking about that kind of stuff circles back to larping

>>9200 >good things >high speed internet, money, modern gadgets, hardware and games pick one lain

>>9247 the real world is not literature genre

>>7549 I have a second cell phone with a lot of information more private things I have stored in a faray fabric case

If I were to run away, I would go hoboing on the American rail network. I would bring: 2 shirts 2 underwear 2 pair socks 1 pants 1 sweater 1 rain shell Optionally an insulated jacket / scarf for climate PPE: 1 pair work gloves (get the nitrile palm maxiflex gloves) 1 sunglasses 1 pair earplugs (required as rolling stock is very loud) 1 n-95 mask Bandanna and ball hat (sun protection) First aid kit Leatherman multi tool with replaceable cutters. A small pry bar A small cook kit and stove, lighter. Gorilla tape a bindle roll with a sleeping bag, and a cheap bivy bag like SOL escape bivy rolled together. Z-lite sleeping pad. Cheap plastic camo netting Wristwatch Thinkpad Phone Earbuds Charger All of this would probably fit in a 25l pack of packed carefully, but I'd get a 35 liter one instead.

>>9371 >No yellow/orange safety vest and a white hard hat for social engineering I'd add this if you could. The hard hat could be optional, but getting some kind of vague department hat could be useful.

>>9372 That doesn't make any sense, like any. Lain said he wanted to go hoboing. The idea there is to avoid being seen at all, not to try and blend in. The railroads employ a very small number of people in a large area. They know if you belong there or not.

>>9373 >>9371 PS: if you get arrested, pry bar will be used as evidence that you were there to break into the trains not just ride them, a much more serious charge. You won't need that.

>>9372 This has been part of those site forever but could you imagine the average poster from this site trying to blend in as a blue collar worker? Nobody ever fuarrrking does this 'social engineering's if you're here the gulf between you and the average hard hat is too massive. Even on the exterior.even if you literally worked a hard hat job you would still not fit in >>9371 Yet more absolutely inane recreational homeless advice. >>9374 So will lockpick sets which I imagine many lains delude themselves into thinking they'll need on their homeless larp

>>9379 at least in my country there are often lightweight nerdy types running around construction sites and all. Inspectors, engineer/designers, other less blue collar work that's still in proximity. They tend to keep to themselves or in their little groups, and do their own independant snooping/watching/wandering about, but they wear the saftey vests and the hardhats and all that, and seem to get the run of the place as far as I can tell. Probably a better guy to larp as than someone who's supposed to be doing something to be honest, even for folk who could look like the average shovel operator or I-beam sawer. I'd pair the hardhat and saftey vest with a clean button down shirt, blue jeans, clean and little-used workboots and a clipboard. If you look like you just walked out of bed after passing out from another 36 hour anime and pizza marathon you might not cut it, but a trim office worker sort of look seems to be the standard, and not too hard. also I dont think you've met many lains irl, we're actually a fairly diverse bunch.

>>9373 If you look and smell like a hobo, all doors will be closed. If you are a hobo but dress normal and don't have an odor, most doors stay open. I agree social stealth have strict limits when it come to breaking in a train station. Even the real operators are not supposed to be in a lot of place. >>9371 If you were to run away, your concerns would not be to travel a lot and to see the world but to drink safe water, to eat every day and to sleep in the dry. >>9387 The individual protection devices that are required to be on a work site are often listed on very visible panels at the entry of the site. But why would you even want to go there? Plan to steal stuff? Do you have someone to sell it to? You are far from being the only one who want to steal the fancy $500 tool, even the people who work here do. Your chance of success are small and you would make more money by working there. They only hire illegals for the low level legwork now. >>9379 >even if you literally worked a hard hat job you would still not fit in Can confirm. I just want to blend in.

>>9388 >The individual protection devices that are required to be on a work site are often listed on very visible panels at the entry of the site. Its possible to tick every box and not look like you belong, I'm describing a type of person I've witnessed that I propose lainchanners would on average do better to emulate, assuming they want to get into this sort of place and look like they belong. If you don't think you'll pass as a construction/factory/wahteverbluecollar worker, then don't pose as one. Simple as. >But why would you even want to go there? Well in the context of this thread, I'd suggest that youre either passing through strange areas where normal people May Not Enter, or perhaps attempting to travel by rail in supereconomy class, and want to look a little like you Belong, if you know what I mean, as opposed to looking like a neet/weeb whose supposed to be in his mom's basement.

I'm homeless right now and god I wish I had time to prepare. It isn't that bad all things considered but dealing with the weather without a tent or tarp is really fuarrking infuriating. Honestly, I wouldn't mind doing this again sometime as long as I can get a god damn TARP!

>>9416 Yeah, honestly, I have like 5 tarps. People really don't know how useful they really can be in a situation. From collecting rain water to patching holes to being a tent...and so on, plus they're light and cheap.

>>9388 >If you are a hobo but dress normal Now we're onto something. The target look you should go for is backpacking student on vacation, not hard hat guy. If you are riding trains and sleeping next to the tracks you are going to be dirty. If you can pass yourself off in the city as some dumb kid who is just looking for the local hostel because you have been camping or going to festivals, that is your best bet. This isn't theoretical or a "LARP" for me (though it's not current life either, not by quite a few years).

>>9388 Unless you're the hobo king and then the whole world is open to you.

>>9424 lots of train riders carry a set of clothes that are clean or use a full suit cover when they ride, carhart coveralls are common, less than overalls though

>>8949 I'd not give up the lappy, but I would be interested to see your daily carry. I've not had the experience of being homeless, but only having gone backpacking innawoods, so I am more than a little interested to know what you see as your real needs.

This is one of the most useful things you can have if you are traveling or homeless.

what is the best pack size for this? looking to buy a pack. any recommendations.

>>10762 Something MOLLE. That way you can add pouches as necessary.

"Hobos, Tramps and Homeless Bums" on 12ozProphet is the definitive resource on all the details of trainhopping and tramping that you never knew you needed to hear. KaBar's experiences and insights are invaluable. https://forum.12ozprophet.com/topic/4389-hobos-tramps-and-homeless-bums/

>>10846 is trainhopping viable anymore in places like the USA? they have all kinds of deterrents and safety mechanisms it seems impossible and even if you managed to get onto the accessible positions it would be extremely uncomfortable to the point of being torture. i imagine if a train was caught with a passenger all the engineers would be seriously reprimanded so they take it really seriously. id love to do it but dont think its feasible. i watched some video of a russian urban exploration guy (shiey) doing it years ago. but russian standards are much more lax in comparison so they could get into comfortable positions. his videos are good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msucE5rBKA8

Do not fuarrrking wear canvas sneakers, I am speaking from experience you will regret it if you need to walk for 18 hours straight, wear shoes with good supports.

>>10848 I wore Vans for years and I think I've always had somewhat flat feet but Vans made it way fuarrrking worse

Laptop takes up a lot of space and resources. Tablet or phone from like, DG paid for via cash might help. Battery bank a good idea though and worth the weight.

>>10847 Honestly not really IMO, if it was ever worth the risk. I approached that thread with the aim of learning tips to survive and thrive outside in general, and as a sort of adventure story leisure read. Even though I wouldn't personally recommend trainhopping, if anyone brings it up I like to post that thread because it contains crucial warnings of unexpected dangers to be aware of. And if someone is going to do it anyway they might as well know how to do it without cutting off their legs or getting trapped in a closed boxcar on a siding in the middle of nowhere or getting crushed between cars or whatever.

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=OS3kvekRDn4 contains some advice for trainhopping

These are old, but might help. The guy who made this went around the world on a yacht he built himself, so he learned everything the hard way.

>>10762 considering that you want to carry food and water, besides tools and clothing, I wouldn't want anything less than 50L and preferably 65L. Anything above that might be too big but if you live in a very cold climate than I can see going up to 70L.

>>7549 backpack looks too nice. you comfy country nerds underestimate how easy it is to spot Things Looking Like New, and how tempting they will be for lowlifes. your backpack should look like soykaf, like some old poor soykafty backpack that physically gets blocked out from sight and brain.

I think a lot of the bad advice in this thread comes from one simple problem (aside from people not knowing what they're talking about): what situation are you in? Are you running away from an abusive relationship with a car? That's gonna look different than if you're a teen running away, or if you're expecting to have to live out of your car for an extended period of time, or if you have time to prepare for whatever is coming or if you're urban or rural. Those circumstances will determine a lot of what you take with you. Some general guidelines are, if you're homeless in the traditional sense and not living in the woods, probably no guns. Police love to harass homeless people and a gun is going to bring up a lot of questions, such as if you have a concealed carry permit, what you're doing with it, ect ect. Generally far more trouble than it's worth. Lots of people are skimping on basic medicine like painkillers and antibiotics. If you get an infection, especially in the woods like some of you guys are preparing for, that's gonna hurt you way more than like, wild bear attacks generally. Good shoes, extra socks and underwear, and if you're around people a lot, don't skimp on the hygiene. People will be more likely to either ignore you or act friendly towards you if you don't reek.

>>10993 to any anons thinking of trainhopping alone, don't. Go meet your local dirty kids or punks, and have one of them show you the ropes. You will get arrested or cut in half by a train if you try this alone. When I hitch hiked I found most of the stuff I brought useless, and most of this thread is bad advice. I'm assuming this go bag isn't for SHTF, because leaving your house in that situation is a soykaf idea. Similarly a gun is a terrible idea, as you will be harassed by cops and it will make you a target for thieves. The best things to have: - A key for spigots, pic related - a bandana and a padlock tied into a smiley. Is better than a knife imo - A small sharp fixed blade knife - A needle and thread for repairs - fresh socks - a small medical kit with clean bandages and antiseptic - an instrument if you can play - a bar of soap Water you will steal from spigots. Food you will dumpster dive and steal as needed. Money you will either busk or beg for. Hitchhiking has gotten worse in recent years though. Folks are a lot more scared, and truckers are often derezzed from picking you up. It's still a viable way to live if you choose that life.

>>10994 that looks like an explosive briefcase 0_o but the "picture of mom" pocket is so sweet. love it

>>9371 what if the pants rip? do you go and find a new pair? try and stich the pants up? or are you just screwed

>>11084 Get rugged well made pants, don’t cheap out. A well made pair of cargo pants will not rip easily. Your gonna want a good pair anyways if you’re train hopping. If all you have to your name is the clothes on your back they might as well be good clothes that won’t fall apart. I would personally bring another pair of light casual wear pants. Something you could wear off the train that wouldn’t be dirty or scuffed up.

>>10848 This is excellent advice, do not cheap out on this like foot wear or sun protection, foot wear is crucial in that if you buy cheap shoes it will fuarrrk your feet up and they will not last.

What I would take >Large backpack >>4 T-shirts, all white to reflect sun. >>2 pairs of well made cargo pants >>1 pair of light sweat pants >>2 pairs of underwear >>2 pairs of socks >>1 pair of well made hiking/outdoor shoes >>Laptop with case and solar charger >>A reusable water bottle >>Life straw >>High-vis vest to blend in when trespassing >>Large coat >Misc >>Cash >>Small firearm, no bigger than a 9mm >>Knife, probably on the more utilitarian side >>Phone

>>11084 i stitch them up but like >>11089 said you need heavy duty pants or overalls to protect them, i tend to sit on concrete and metal frequency need to protect my threads. waxed thread or floss works best. >>11079 you dont need someone to teach you the ropes, there are like 5 rules. be aware of slack action. in the yard, headless cars can be dead silent, look before crossing. never touch the knuckle. bring water. dont ride floorless cars. spike your box cars. the only thing you might want someone to teach you about is identifying ridable cars but its learnable. learning train lingo and how to operate a cheap radio is convenient as well. >>10950 >>10847 viable how? there are probably thousand of full time riders in the usa its def still viable. its not just viable, its so easy that retarded alcoholic aged-out orphans can do it. are you less capable of learning then an alcoholic that never had parents or useful role models? >>10762 need more space depending on climate. above 70s you could deal with 20l or less. sleeping bag and warm clothing are often the bulkiest thing i pack.

>>11097 bring a high capacity battery pack, a water key. your white clothes will be disgusting looking soon enough and when youre hiding in the wooded areas near trains you want earth tones. you dont need a laptop and it will be difficult to charge it often. you dont need a water bottle, use a plastic container it comes in. you dont need hi vis and a guy with a hiking backpack and hi vis is just as suspicious as one without the hi vis, but you can risk stashing the pack, i never do. you need cordage, tarp, sleeping gear, which includes something to insulate you from the ground, especially if riding, metal is like kicking dead whales down the beach heat from your body. cardboard works but its more convenient and comfortable to have a sleeping pad strapped to your pack.

>>11097 >What I would take >>>4 T-shirts, all white to reflect sun take the black t-shirt pill if you live near a uniqlo they're probably only $7 or $10

>>11313 Disgusting. When you have low space and packing something like a runaway backpack you obviously need quality merino wool so you can wear it more than 1-2 times without needing to wash it

>>11314 depends on if your'e in an urban or rural setting. Rural yeah you want that nice reusable T shirt. In a city though you can just pick up new shirts all the time so cheap you might as well wear until they get dirty and throw em away. Its not radically more expensive than doing laundry, and spares a lot of effort.

a change of underwear a change of socks long pants a long-sleeved shirt a lightweight rainshell with a hood wool gloves a wool balaclava a puffy jacket a casio watch a wallet with id some money sunglasses sunscreen a floppy wide-brim hat for sun protection, waterproof a stainless-steel water bottle full of water a water filter and a little bit of bleach food: lightweight, non-perishable, open-and-eat a gi can-opener a spork some toilet paper and plastic garbage bags to poop in a cotton bandana. a toothbrush. a razor, and a bar of soap in a ziplock food bag some bandaids, neosporin, alcohol swabs, and naproxen in a ziplock food bag a keyring penlight always in your pocket a headlamp batteries for above a bic lighter always in your pocket a knife zlways in your pocket a small key-ring multi-tool always in your pocket map(s), a compass, local resource list, notepad, and pencil in a ziplock food bag a tarp and some cord for expedient shelter optional: some tape, some cord, needle and thread in a ziplock food bag a little candle-lantern and candles a little stick stove some cotton balls and vaseline for tinder in a ziplock food bag a little stainless-steel cup/pot with a fold-away handle some instant coffee and/or teabags a sleeping bag and pad a little tent a collapsible bucket to wash with, or line with a plastic bag and poop in a cellphone without carrier/sim card to use on mcdonalds wifi a small solar charger with its own battery for charging things

A pocket knife is a good thing to have with you. These are a few good, inexpensive ones. All of these knives are made with good steel and won't fall apart on you or chip/roll easily. opinel No.07 3.07" about $17 You can't buy a decent pocket knife for less than this. Cons: the wooden handle could theoretically swell up when wet (mine never has). The blade locking mechanism takes longer to use than most. esee blue ridge zancudo 2.9" about $35 This one has a reputation for being almost indestructible. Con: The handle is a little bit skinny so might be less comfortable to use. ontario rat2 3" about $41 This one is probably the best-regarded of all these knives. It's reportedly sturdy enough, but not as sturdy as the zancudo. More comfortable to use, though, and should still last a long time. These are still available but supposedly won't be made that much longer. cold steel finn wolf 3.5" about $35 This one has a little bit longer blade, 3.5". I can't carry this in my location because longest legal blade length is 3" here.

>>11428 what do you think about Sanrenmu, Boker, Ka-bar or Kershaw knives? Particularly about those under 50usd

>>9009 if youre going to look into getting a handgun you'll be best served with something compact like a glock 19, glock 45, or just a straight up glock 17. They're all essentially the same gun just different form factors. Glocks are reliable and have a huge aftermarket support.

>>11428 personally I don't think theres anything wrong with burning through soykafty pocket knives like a spaceshuttle through o-rings but its good to have a spare or two. Knives naturally are essential but they don't need to always be great. You can buy big packs sometimes on i.e. govdeals from airport confiscation and stuff, pretty reasonable prices and sometimes goodies included. (my pocket knife was just found on the ground for free, but pretty gud) >>11777 nice number

Having lived homeless for extended periods a couple of times, I can spell out what you need: wear: socks, underwear, long pants, longsleeve shirt, boots, sun hat, sunglasses, watch pockets: lighter, money, keyring w/penlight/multitool, pocket knife, wallet, id, bandana external frame backpack with... change of socks/underwear/long pants/longsleeve shirt rainshell, puffy jacket, wool gloves, wool cap, wool socks water bottle, water filter, bleach no-cook food, gi can-opener, spork stick stove, pot, candle-lantern/candles soap, bar-towel, comb, toothbrush, razor, scissors toilet paper, plastic garbage bags, alcohol wipes bandaids, neosporin, alcohol swabs, naproxen, sunscreen, off map, compass, notepad, pencil, local resources list paracord, tape, glue, needle/thread tarp, tent, bivy optional: cellphone, glock 29, solar charger/battery

>>11790 I'm curious what type/s of glue you recommend

>>11791 several very small tubes of superglue (rather that one big tube that you use once and it dries up). Also, those clear plastic food bags you can buy at a grocery store are good for keeping your stuff separated into "kits". The double-zipper ones are better than the slider ones, which pop open. And a cheap cotton laundry bag to keep your clothes in. If you spend any time way out in the woods, the Glock 29 10mm with penetrating rounds will take out a grizzly bear if need be. If you stay in a city, find out where the best food/clothing/meal give-aways are. Keep yourself clean and groomed and people/cops won't bother you much. Stay away from druggies, they're bad news. OK, I'll shut up now.

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>>7612 A towel is just about the most important item for a traveler, it's very practical and has great psychological value. Never forget your towel!!

I think theres a similar thread already. Anyway, bump

>>8906 >>8906 but what if it has several colored bookmarks?

>>12811 >A towel is just about the most important item for a traveler, it's very practical and has great psychological value. Never forget your towel!! Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy reference, right?

>>9362 >>7597 >>7597 late for the party, but PRESENT DAY! PRESENT TIME! AHAHAHAaaaaa... so glad to hear someone on Lainchan got a home to throw a duvet into it.