Making disruptive things

Hello Lainons. Say someone got a non trivial amount of cash thanks to the recent altcoin craze and the extremely lenient tax laws of their backwater third world country. Say, enough money to buy an apartment. Say also this lainanon does not expect to live until old age for whatever reason, so they'd rather spend this sum in the next few months/years. In something meningful, if possible. What's the most disruptive thing this person could do/build/fund with their money? How can they best challenge the late-stage capitalist dystopia?

>>6519 Firearms and bad dragon dildoes

>Say also this lainanon[sic] does not expect to live until old age for whatever reason Firearms, a bad dragon dildo, and travel tickets to Silicon Valley.

Donate it to political extremists running for offices they could potentially win

>>6519 Supply crypto assassination markets with liquidity.

>>6519 Either hire a small army of moralless goons who'll do anything and everything you tell them to (like setting random cars on fire, amass ridiculous amounts of debt and never repay them, putting needles inside strawberries in the market, masturbate publicly, lynch famous people, smear soykaf on expensive clothes in the stores, spread STDs intentionally through Tinder etc.) or donate it to your local radical feminist/fascist/anti-fascist/anarchist/anarcho-primitivist/revolutionary theocratic resistance movement, or just burn it on the whims of degenerate anons on the internet, as there's nothing quite accelerationist as that and nobody as insatiable as NEETing, weeabooing, neckbearded, materialistic gaijins. Of course, accelerationism is total bullshit, at least in the short run, but I could seriously use the money.

>>6532 Reminder that the Marxist-Lenninist Party of Germany regularly receives large donations from old people who inherit money and still manage to get less votes than number of posters they put up.

Ok I get it, this is a larp thread and you are probably 15 and very discontent with this society. But I like being creative so here are some ideas nevertheless. Make sure to post proof of some sort should you ever do any of the stuff that got posted in this thread. >buy a plane, get creative >hire a group of homeless people to start soykafting into the lobby of some wall street building, not going to change the world but it would be funny as hell and won't even get you into jail >send out a lot of mail >travel to syria, get to know some people >hire one of these russian twitter bot farms to start a revolution against some stupid soykaf, e.g. by claiming someone is a pedophile (see rms as an example) and hope that a mob is going to use irl violence >mix psychedelics into supermarket food or even better break into restaurants and restock their food chambers

buy me some LSD and proliferate a disruptive substance.

>>6532 I would totally do this, especially in the Netherlands. Someone did with Gert Wilder and for 150k put him in running. Now to get some money and get the Libertarian Party to win. A lainon can dream.

>>6519 > late stage capitalism reminder that red tape is not capitalist and that a collapsing government supersedes and is responsible for a collapsing economy: in part due to ever-growing regulations that suppress the free market at the benefit of corrupt officials on top. Copyright, monopolies, regulatory red tape, "fair trade" and all that other draconian bullshit that America has been pushing as "captialism" is not capitalist - it does not facilitate the free trade of ideas, services, and products. Instead, such policies and principles suppress free trade and support artificial monopolies while screwing small businesses. At this point China's limited economy is more capitalist than California's suppressive tape-bound economy (and America's larger legalistic economy) is. If you want to be disruptive, support the growth of small businesses and deregulation that will end artificial monopolies. Also, how is this /delta/?

>>6549 >reminder that red tape is not capitalist it is, most often red tape is instituted by one corporation to keep other corporations from breaking in to the market. >and that a collapsing government supersedes and is responsible for a collapsing economy economy and government are closely intertwined, even in capitalism and so-called "free markets". So of course government and economy collapse together. >Copyright, monopolies, regulatory red tape, "fair trade" and all that other draconian bullshit that America has been pushing as "captialism" is not capitalist - it does not facilitate the free trade of ideas, services, and products. Capitalism != free trade. Capitalism is when one group of people owns the stuff, and another group works on the stuff. The first group pays the second group wages in exchange for their labor but does not have any specific duties towards them, such as a feudal lord had duties towards his peasants. Free trade is entirely possible without capitalism (international trade flourished long before capitalism emerged in Europe), and obviously capitalism is possible without free trade.

>>6549 >>6550 While it was fun, I recommend to stop going any further in this direction while you can. What the world *really* needs is a good Automatic Bicycle Sharpener. -- fortune(6)

>>6550 >>6554 is right so I'll summarize the bigger picture and leave you to ruminate on it. Capitalism at its core is about the economics of free trade between individuals - the communist definition of capitalism you provided is better defined as "corporatism" since it thinks in terms of socio-economic relationships between upper and lower classes in political struggles between the two. Such socio-economic systems can have capitalistic elements, such as exchange between agents in a system, but such systems themselves are not necessarily capitalistic - since they often involve additional factors or tweaks that trend towards anti-capitalistic principles like welfare, taxes, and wealth distribution. There has never been a _purely_ capitalistic society, organization, etc. Regulatory factors are often imposed on capitalistic economic systems for the claimed benefit of the larger society by imposing regulations and other extra-economic rules that are supposed to prevent instability caused by human greed and vice. At its core capitalism is about the free trade and exchange of goods and services between different people in a society - and so in that sense a completely free market with no regulations at all would be a purely capitalistic society. Unfortunately, again, capitalism in its purest form can only exist in societies with completely rational agents, but humans are not rational agents - they are greedy, they lie, etc - so as a consequence of that there can never be a purely capitalist society. More accurately, most societies exist on a spectrum, the more successful and well off ones tend to lean towards mixed economies (capitalist with regulations). Unfortunately, the political factor in societies is inherently destabilizing and as a result you see a destructive loop where government officials and organizations (sometimes capitalist-influenced, sometimes not) cooperate with each other in a destructive cycle of regulations, unfair laws, bribery, and more until the society reaches a critical point of collapse where the society is restructured. I say this is a political factor because we see this in societies regardless if they are capitalistic or not. The capitalist-leaning societies at their most corrupt will have disparities between groups in the society as we see in all corrupt societies regardless of economic leaning, but at the very least the capitalistic-leaning one doesn't have planned economies and mass starvation in the name of equal outcome. tl;dr * Economy doesn't necessarily equal Capitalism. Economy is a machine, and capitalism can be its engine (but isn't always). You can't escape Economy because it's omnipresent. * Corporatism is not Capitalism, but it does borrow ideas from Capitalism (see China's economy as an example). * Capitalism is about Free Trade (not Fair Trade), but it can't exist in its purest form because societies have a lot more factors at play than just economic factors (Such as political ones, the ones causing global instability right now). I recommend dropping that communist manifesto of yours and picking up a copy of "The Undercover Economist" if you want to learn more about the reality of how economies function and why they function the way they do - instead of believing propaganda written by some dead german guy who couldn't calculate arbitrage to save his life. That is all, have a nice day.

fertilizer is vital to the worlds infanstruction and most of it is made in NA

how much money are we talking about ? buy a lot of land and make it your country and invite pople from laincommune threads to build a community best way to combat dystopia is to be a good person

>How can they best challenge the late-stage capitalist dystopia? Unironically ask leftypol, it's kind of their thing.

>>6569 Natsoc and Third Position would like to have a word with you. But yes that is also a good spot.

Buy billboard space in New York City with anti-capitalist facts that also expose the way the media tries to distract people on both sides using identity politics.

>>6519 The staying power of capitalism comes from subsuming all opposition. Notice how any "radical" politics is now staunchly pro-globalism and pro-corporation. Your beset bet is to help found an alternate society on the outskirts of the current one. In the oceans, space, desert, or maybe more mentally/spiritually within some part of human psychology that is different from the rest. The important part is to build strong barriers so it doesn't get commodified or swamped by superficial tourists.

>>6574 >Notice how any "radical" politics is now staunchly pro-globalism and pro-corporation. I don't think they are, unless you're referring to radlibs and their ilk. My friends are for the most part anarchists and socialists, they're all extremely wary of globalism due to the fragile supply lines and the degrading nature of work in a globalized economy.

large amounts of money isnt required target weak links in publicly used systems like the eletrical grid or something like aws

>>6519 >What's the most disruptive thing this person could do/build/fund with their money? How can they best challenge the late-stage capitalist dystopia? a 100% free speech platform

>>6810 We already have plenty of those and it turns out they all go to soykaf eventually.

>>6811 Basically. At this point, any platform billing itself as a "free speech platform" may as well be controlled opposition to discredit the very concept of free speech.

>>6519 I thought altcoins were supposed to disrupt revolutionize the internet and society itself? But you must be one of the people that bought tokens in a bucket shop for speculative purposes and won. Congrats! Since you're already in the space, you might as well start reading about what cryptocurrency is supposed to be for.

>>6812 There's no way to discredit free speech. I don't care about CP being shared or terrorist plans being coordinated in some threads. Real problem is spammers and bots. 4chan has been a test platform for universities, intelligence companies and possibly even government automated agents. At least the latter two institutions advertise that they do it. Perhaps people who log in should be anonymously tracked through an account creation paid via monero.

>>6823 >I don't care about CP being shared or terrorist plans Hi FBI.

>>6824 Isn't that agency supposed to care?

>>6823 There's nothing wrong with curating an online community like you would curate a garden. I don't see what's wrong with banning idiots, trolls, pedophiles, and the like if it means the website doesn't go to soykaf. A social contract is just as good too. sushichan is comfy exactly because it doesn't have an "anything goes" attitude, same for lainchan. You could argue that censoring grimy stuff will eventually lead to censoring noble stuff, but it doesn't take a lot to realize that isn't really true. Social standards, social contracts, etc are what enable and maintain free speech in the long run. People should have the right to free speech within limits, but some idiot calling for people to start a forest fire or kill someone shouldn't be protected, and with online communities trolls and their useful idiots shouldn't be defended either. That's just my thoughts, feel free to disagree with me - that is your right after all.

>>6827 Seconding this. Free speech doesn't mean anything goes, it means that anyone who abides by certain social norms can express their beliefs and have them, if not respected, at least entertained. If you think the social norms are bad, then the principle of free speech says you can criticize them, not violate them.

>>6827 What part of not wanting limits do you not understand? >some idiot calling for people to start a forest fire or kill someone shouldn't be protected, and with online communities trolls and their useful idiots shouldn't be defended either. just, like, your opinion, man

>>6827 Absolutely. unfortunately, a couple of the curators are a part of that problem group, but overall they're alright Imagebards that are scared of any rejecting or censoring are inevitably deconstructed by the people who get derezzed from any semi-normal site with persistent identity or authentication. The kind of person who thinks "cope" is a counterargument, that all imageboard cultures should be 4chan centric, or that spamming a single topic is acceptable.

>>6830 There's nothing wrong with not wanting limits. Just go have no limits over there. There are dedicated places for is **and yes, most of them are covered with bot spam and child pornography**.

>>6519 >What's the most disruptive thing this person could do/build/fund with their money? How can they best challenge the late-stage capitalist dystopia? So you want to spend money to destroy capitalism? I don't think it works that way. Maybe you should spend the money on school.

>>6519 Make a tax free business or start a freedom cell to build up community autonomy. Read this book: https://theconsciousresistance.com/howto/

>>6837 >How To Opt-Out of the Technocratic State >ton of third party trackers on webpage >webpage looks like fresh webshit >buy our books on amazog >submit your name to our "freedom cell" network >list of all meme honeypot social medias where they post their propaganda They are either not self-aware, or glow in the dark.

>>6840 Pretty sure they just want to sell soykaf.

>>6519 a meshnet for your community #1400challenge

>>6536 >mix psychedelics into supermarket food or even better break into restaurants and restock their food chambers Can someone please turn this into a movie?

If you really want to make something usefull with your money, you need to be ready to lose all of it. In this world money is 1 of the biggest power, if you use it for go ''against'' the wealthier peoples on earth you will get burn. But still there is a lot of way to use money for something worth it without get burn by these asholle: Fund yourself 1st > the more money you have the more money you can make, this rule is common among poor peoples (90% of world population if not more), ppl usually chose to say well I don't have money so I can't make more, which is half true, if you don't have money you can still try to make money from the nothingness you have, even if you are nude with 0$, you probably still have at least something to work with and build your money from. But all of this DOESN'T ally for you if you say that you are at the lvl of wealth to be able to buy an apartment. YOU CAN AND SHOULD make more money, especially if you want to make something useful to ''change'' the world in a positive way. Also DO NOT give money to ''association'' or to ''charity'' IT'S USELESS (In my opinion), these company / association have absolutely no REAL power in this world and the only power they have is to keep themselves alive, some have clear goal, some real positives intentions, some are just a vast scam, but overall any of them will never change something in a real way, and even if they had the money they wouldn't because human avidity. If you say that you have money and you ask advice to how to use it in something useful and that you ask it HERE. Well the answer is logical and simple = Keep the minimal for live like 20 years on the side, use the half or 30% remaining and invest where you KNOW you can make more and in short time (society is really unstable rn so talking about long term investment is really really stupid and only fool are doing it). The rest ? That's what you can use to change the world. But it's very easy to use your money on useless causes, and very difficult to use it on worth causes. You should think about it yourself. And for finish, if you want to invest it on something usefull that's related to technology, transhumanism, cyberpunk and freedom in general, contact me because I am an error of this society, and I really would like some money for helping me in some obscure projects I cannot talk, and that I won't even talk to you if you were giving me some. At least not the more obscure details. Also just give found to Lainchan please ! I really can't imagine how alone I would be if suddenly the site disappeared. You already know the answers to your question but some are a ''trap'', just use your knowledge and experience to find the ''right'' way for yourself, also waiting is better than using your money when you are not sure or even when you are sure and are about to use some. Sometimes waiting give you more time to avid mistakes. Good luck whatever who you are. And pls don't use it for bad. Ty An error of internet.

>>6853 this could kill people

>>6536 you're better of diluting MDMA into the general water supply and watch the people starting to love each other (with the occasional sucker getting schizophrenia)

>>6853 >>7311 Happened in real life. Look up the CIA LSD experiment conspiracy theory about the Pont-Saint-Esprit poisoning. Every other incident I could find was very small scale or failed plots.

>>6563 >[...]that are supposed to prevent bla bla bla ..... Is how everything after ^ this line should be read. Dont mix your feelings with reality lainon. Ive got some recommendations since your spouting some baseless crap: Tragedy & Hope by Caroll Quigley; Jealousy of Trade by Istvan Hont; The Power Elite by C. Wright Mills; and while you're at it, Marx' Das Kapital, since it has not passed your eyeballs as well I'm convinced. You write your unreflected crap as if the world has been like you mention for generations, while the decline in fluctuation of societal elites is since approx beginning 1900, application of effective peacetime nationwide propaganda and government censorship est. 1914 and consumerist society like it is est. 1945™. The collapse of publics into a homogenous mass started in the second half of the 19th century and finished around approx. 1960 when the first TV generation was conceived, and ever since then with aforementioned situations, one could argue a decline in the application of the democratic ideal in the political arena, but that does not definitely mean it is so. It may be your country is some corrupt bureaucracy, since the only nations with an actual heritage are western European, and corruption is pretty low there. Plus, democratic politics literally is stability. And the "greed" and "vice" you so like to mention as Man's nature and destiny is literally the opposite of the development of the free market ideal as made famous by Adam Smith. The possibility of property is where altruism originates, or commercial sociability, as Pufendorf (a major influence on Smith) calls it. Read up on the origins of the nation state & the economy before spouting some of your normative judgments about how politics & economics is or isnt.

how would one undermine/start distrust in a police state

>>6519 I'm a pretty knowledgeable dude when it comes to tech/web3/whatever. Made loads on eth link antshares. Fund IPFS, it's dope

>>7623 Read dictatorship to democracy, it's a how to book. Your a big lain, I won't spoon feed you

>>8428 >spoon feed If you can't even write one sentence about it then you clearly learned nothing from this book.

>>6536 >by claiming someone is a pedophile (see rms as an example) while I don't believe he's a pedo i can't see why it would be surprising or an example of a bot farm for people to have that impression. he said himself (and, to his credit, has since taken back) that the age of content should be lower. something pedos tend to say!

>>8430 >neurosuggesting I need to provide a synopsis. I answered your question. Not in the way your glitterboy ass wanted, but I gave a suggestion. For what it's worth, this post has more effort than my previous one, but still think that you are an adult and should be able to make rational decisions and look things up for yourself. In fact, I am under no obligation to even demonstrate what the book says or what I learned from it, if one could even call it that. I could care less about your particular socio-economic situation, or your opinions on politics in general. You asked about how to do something, and I gave you the title of a book on the subject. fite me you long ass bitch

>>6519 use it to build a myriad of local government templates as experiments, and publish/opensource the findings in a database of local government template use-cases. You'd need to find a group of people in the same case as you in order to really hash this project out, and you'd need a community of people who enjoy communal living. You'd need to forget about the money aspect while doing this project and see the community you are doing this work with as a level playing field. You'd also need to communal set rules regarding kicking people out who leek information prematurely.

>>6519 this is a good thread btw

>>6519 mesh LRAD using bluetooth hacking

>>6519 Try to start anti-consumerist movement or donate to a deep ecology group.

you literally just have to buy a thousand dollars worth of scrap metal and make spikes that you release from a car on as many main highways as possible. look for major intersections and important areas on a map. i think you just wanna live some weeb protagonist fantasy as opposed to doing actual chaos

>>6519 Build mind control devices. Fight fire with fire.

>>6519 advertising campaigns

Terrorism? Destruction? You are all little babies, watch this: pour enormous concrete blocks, or unrepurposable shapes, possibly reinforced. Buy up waste products or other goods like asbestos that have strict health and safety requirements. fireworks are nice too. Violate the requirements and abandon the warehouse. Bonus points for doing these in high-value residential areas, e.g. filling entire uninhabited apartment complexes with waste or concrete. Even outside high-value areas, most land value can easily be destroyed. Realize the value of permits is in the governing-body's ability to revoke the permit. This of-course, happens post-factum, so it's essentialy a cheatsheet for damage you can do once, a large hand of cards to be played. Whatever you choose to do wrong, someone with a permit will be enlisted to clean up your mess. Store various/different chemicals; powders, liquids, gasses, in unmarked silos on the same site. Document nothing. In addition to cleanup, everything needs to be identified once they figure out there's at least one dangerous substance among it. Collect rare and endangered plants and animals in barely suitable places, so that for each a new home has to be found. Or: in highly suitable places and give the public a stake in it, so that there is outcry when they have to be relocated. These probably do benefit from being excessively documented, along with the relevant laws that prohibit their mistreatment. Provide free shelter for difficult-to-evict groups like anarchists, artists, maybe some protected groups. Close your water (or other ingress-) pipes with solenoids, rather than mechanical valves, such that when the electricity gets shut off, you might flood part of the neighborhood. Figure out something fun for the egress pipes. Create multiple companies that just waste each-other's time, staff them, pay the employees well.[spoiler][/spoiler] Hire someone to organize and fund protests for the usual (environment, wages, housing, etc) that will take place around the time of your disappearance. Hire another to organize and fund counter-protests to each. Hire someone cheap or have a LLM write a long, difficult to comprehend manifesto (more or less the style of B.T.) Implicating various groups, companies, or persons to be complicit. Borrow and take on as much debt as you can manage.

>>6827 I see it differently than free speech vs curation; instead posting should itself be considered as a potential form of censorship, and a perfect level of free speech impossible. Everything written pushes something else off the page, or otherwise reduces potential attention towards it. Extreme or illegal images make people not want to be on that website anymore. Spamming lazy opinions shifts the impression of popular consensus away from what else is written. Supporting free expression effectively needs curation, but with the direction that ideas should not be suppressed. Words are not ideas by themselves. Anyway OP's hypothetical person should spend the money on AI powered propaganda bots.

dont worry the capitalists will use you to spend your money in defense of capitalism

>>10740 >war is peace >censorship is freedom of speech Imagine all the sensible posts yours pushed out of the feed. >>6827 Curation is curation, nothing else. It's censorship if there's nowhere else to go and opposing views and criticism is being squashed by the powers that be. Of course it's necessary from the view of an owner of a user content driven site to filter posts, be it to avoid legal repercussions for someone else's upload or enforce some silly requirement that's in the theme of their image board. But the argument that curation means freedom of speech or expression conflates some things that appear to act on separate levels altogether. Like yes, ideally there ought to be spaces of all kinds to support a diverse range of obscure views and opinions and others, which provide a wide overton window to reduce the overall amount of echo chambers and pull people out of the crazy corners. Also there should be general policies implemented by everyone, which curtail such things as you mentioned which are either illegal or are in the ball park of defamation or shouting fire in a crowded theatre, and so on. Some common sense censorship if you may. However, we do not have the former and it's difficult to expect only one side to play nice and lawful so I'm not sure that under such circumstances the latter can be guaranteed. There's on one hand a spare time mod spending his time cleaning up their niche subreddit for free, although even that can get to a person's head and cause power trips. And then there's heavy handed tools being utilized, like blocking traffic at a back bone level or law enforcement going against mean tweets while children are being raped. This in turn creates the need for methods to circumvent any speech laws whatsoever and contemplate less civil actions. I guess what I'm saying is that things ain't as clear cut and also maybe someone should handle this Bill Gates guy who seems to be getting out of hand.

>>10739 Most of these are just a nuisance. Sure you might drive down some home prices, but that just draws in corporate investors, ergo you just played into the hand of the system. It also puts the burden on the mddle class who pay taxes (rich people find loop holes to not pay taxes, simple as). Also most of these do nothing to actually disrupt any systems. I have seen at least 5 of these be done IRL with essentially no consequences, and they aren't acually abnormal in 3rd world countries. What would be really disruptive is a psyop that gets people riled up for a silly cause that they care about, then all that effort gets directed against a single person or group.

the most disruptive thing you can do is buy land and build a home and work toward being self sufficient

>>6519 I get this is a larp but why not be creative? Sometimes the things most disruptive to the system are just ordinary people being creative and unintentional. The whole Linux culture screwed up Bill Gates' fantasy of a world owned by Microsoft. Identify a plan a big corpo has, finance or start a project to develop a free alternative. If I we're you I'd invest that money into making a really crude and disgusting pornographic movie full of gore and borderline illegal sex to demoralize people and use bots to make sure it goes viral as the latest internet shock video. Make movies of children being tortured (staged with actors of course) that don't actually violate any laws but is depressing and insulting to people and then spread it like an AIDS infection.

>>10880 >Sometimes the things most disruptive to the system are just ordinary people being creative and unintentional. Seconding this. It takes a truly earnest soul doing truly honest things to make any kind of significant, positive change. And with this, don't count on "disrupting the system" too much. It could definitely happen, but it's more likely "the system" will quickly adapt to your presence and probably benefit from it somehow. That doesn't mean you won't make life under "the system" less miserable, though. Doing all the random crap that people have suggested here aren't things that will really make any waves. Go ahead and pour concrete in your toilet, though, if it'll vent the frustrations you clearly have for the world. You'll piss off your landlord and maybe make the local news, but it's a contingency that capitalists have planned for and will ultimately mean nothing.

>>6519 shoot .22s at transformers

>>10736 I wonder if that could actually work. Also, if it works with microwaves, could it work with visible light? Like flash an LED right into your eyes instead of a magnetron? The implementation doesn't seem too difficult, it's just a voltage-to-frequency converter followed by a monostable flip-flop. And before anyone asks, I wouldn't use it on other people, but myself. Self-hypnosis can be very useful.

>>11323 It is called brainwave entrainment I believe. Same thing as binaural beats and isochronic tones. You can do it with light. Think about how a small minority of people with seizures are photosensitive to strobing lights. All this does if anything is alter what is the dominating brainwave.

>>6519 >What's the most disruptive thing this person could do/build/fund with their money? Buy entire shipments of cheap booze and drop in the streets of the most impoverished neighborhood. >How can they best challenge the late-stage capitalist dystopia? That's not the same thing at all. Keep in mind: if someone make money from it, you are not fighting capitalism, you are fueling it. Break a windows and the glass man get rich. I suppose, buy a plot of land and grow your own food. Now when you eat, nobody get rich. >>10910 Transformers need to be cooled to not take fire. That's why there is an oil tank on top of them and a pump. Whatever you do, do not shoot the pipe because then the oil would leak and the transformer would heat, leading to some insulation melting and that would destroy the transformer. So don't do it, it's illegal. And the only thing you will achieve is to get your housing block in a blackout. The city will have to buy a new one and somebody will make money. >>10880 Maybe that explain why halfchan have constant porn dumps on every board.