Self sufficiency thread.

In our increasingly cyberpunk dystopia, and with a looming economic depression plus creeping environmental disaster, working to secure your own individual self sufficiency is pretty punk. This is a thread about that.

Here's a .PDF and a .EPUB of >Home Herbal Cultivating Herbs for Your Health, Home and Wellbeing

>The Mini Farming Handbook

This one is a .EPUB for >Mark Shepard - Restoration Agriculture_ Real-World Permaculture for Farmers

Anything on making biodiesel? Something other than vegetable oil based though.

>>4478 Are you talking about woodgas? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm46KAPLZpQ

>>4472 The All-Embracing Library >>>/lit/2968 has tons of survival/self-sufficiency books. https://the-eye.eu/public/murdercube.com/ also has a lot, as well as many others.

Research Kurt Saxon aka the father of survivalism. He advocates becoming self sufficient and proficientcy in low technology. His radio show is available online and so are most if not all of his books. Use his material for the practical information, you need not to agree or disagree with his ideology.

>>4479 That seems dangerous and labour intensive. I was thinking more along the lines of a petrolium alternative that can be used in a car though first tested in a push lawnmower then a ride on mower. All with little to no alterations to the fuel system. More along the lines of algae based biodiesel but I only am aware of this being done by oil companies and have yet to find any at home instructions. Or would this likely require a complicated refining process?

Any guides on low tech farming on cold areas? I mean places such as Northern Scandinavia, Siberia and Northern Canada.

>>4485 You have to understand that modern combustion engine automobile is the most inefficient way of converting solar energy into movement. You have luxury of cheap mineral petroleum from million year old dead forests and heavily subsidized "green" plant diesel thanks to globalized economies of constant growth. If you want sustainable and low-tek, you'd better adopt some workhorses for transport and agricultural work and use decomposition methane/wood gas for powering machines and heating extracting maximum of what waste you and your animals produce, then looping the cycle.

>>4487 It costs a lot to take care of horses. In theory you could grow their food but you still need vet visits. As long as something is efficient enough to be produced at least half the quantity of gasoline needed that's still being less reliant and living cheaper.

>>4486 Earthships maybe? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthship I'm looking at moving to a nordic country and setting up a self sufficient life in the future

>>4489 Looks interesting, the lack of sunlight in nordic countries might make it harder to work in practice though. Unless you set up one in southern Sweden, Denmark but such areas are too densely populated for me. I'll probably continue practicing low tech farming using methods I am using currently.

>>4486 I'm no farmer but pobably make a green house with a passive solar design (I've heard of this in Canada) and grow using hydroponics or aquaponics (later of which would be more challenging and requires more space) to use up the space more efficiently which also makes use of the heat trapping capacity of the water which is better than soil and cement. The combination should optimise heat retention. In places like Scandinavia greenhouses use geothermal heating I've heard. Also if it's just small you can do this in your house instead of a green house. Hydroponics allows for the roots to be shorter but overall growth larger.

>>4488 Consider energy needs of a horse and automobile, then extrapolate amount of needed crops to feed them. A horse needs 4-5 kilos of hay per day in winter. You feed the beast, let it stroll a bit, harness it into a tool to do the daily exercise, the upside is, a horse can substitute mechanical drivetrain for many machines: mills, pumps, lifts, some old tractors could do that too, but good luck patching and updating John Deere's software amirite? Face it: you're either riding a bike, or horse. Automobile is a luxury toy, equivalent of cardboard mcmansion for the masses, nobody builds mansions out of cardboard besides North Americans, and nobody fetishizes automobile as much either: a highly inefficient mode of transportation justified in existence solely by abundance of cheap fuel and petroleum lubricants. Vet is mechanic but for horses, not a rocket science, better learn how to be a horse vet than how to repair planned obsolescence pieces of rusting korean junk. Anyways, when you hear about high costs of keeping horses, it's usually said about racing and show breeds, the quivalent of keeping a Ferrari in your mechanic speak, not workhorse halfbreeds. Lots of rural people in Central Asia, Siberia and Mongolia still keep horses and have no problem with it, they are poorer than you and me, plus you can use horse's skin for leather, bones for glue and meat for food. Can't say anything about fully recycling automobiles in same zero-tech fashion tho.

>>4507 You can't exactly easily ride a horse on a highway or overpass. At least a bicycle is more realistic in terms of access due to being smaller but it doesn't fully replace at least the occasional need for a motorized vehicle. Do you know of any pedal powered vehicles that make the most use out of energy put into them for higher speeds and less effort to go futher distances?

>>4521 Recumbent bicycles, recumbent velomobiles, tandem velomobiles can ride on par with automobile speeds and haul loads compared to rider's own weight. They are good on flat road only, not so at climbing monstrous overpasses or offroad. Horses can pull massive loads on flat and carry stuff on body in mountainous terrain.

>>4522 I was thinking more along the lines of an electric motor bicycle that is charged by taking the momentum from braking and coasting downhill while on a different gear or something that stores the energy mechanically. This would help with riding up hills when too tired. At least in theory.

>>4523 I remember reading about such bikes.

>>4485 I don't think you're going to find anything about biodiesel that isn't at least a little dangerous and labor intensive. It's hard. But burning vegetable oil, in some vehicles, is as easy as it gets. Just filter it and then use it. It's not easy to find restaurants giving it away as it used to be, but it still is possible. But not a modern diesel car. The people I know who have done it it has always been heavy machinery. Tractors, skid loaders, etc. And even filtered once, you'd better be prepared to change the fuel filter more frequently. Install a fuel line filter somewhere very easy to change maybe? Also, you need to watch the temperature, before it gets cold you need to change over to normal fuel, or maybe use a more sophisticated system to start on something else and switch over to vegetable oil once the engine is hot.

>>4532 I found some instructions how to make biodiesel from algae now. Seems to be not well polished though. Should run better than a vegetable oil based diesel and doesn't use a flame in the process like wood gas. So probably less dangerous but I don't know chemistry so I can't be sure how volatile any reactions can potentially be. https://youtube.com/watch?v=yFpTJ5SkTdo Apparently a type of UV lamp can be used to break the algae cells to release oil but I assume it's the kind that is expensive https://youtube.com/watch?v=7TlEklj7Y1M

>>4489 >Earthships The article claims they cost an average of $500,000 from nothing to a homestead and that they aren't properly insulated. I don't understand how this is an improvement. This guy's approach seems more appropriate for a "punk": https://youtu.be/fJsDOD0dTQI (Note: he doesn't produce his own food, but the general arrangement seems correct.) As for my contribution, I'll just say that Persian cooling systems seem pretty interesting and underutilized in Western architecture. (Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windcatcher) Impressively, they built ice houses in the desert (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakhch%C4%81l).

>>4534 You can make an insulated material using aircrete which in theory may be made of wood ash and crushed terracotta but i am not certain. Aircete is just concrete mixed with foam. The air bubbles form the insulation. Have to be careful with mixture though because it will lose structural integrity if you use too much foam. Sheep wool is also used as insulation in some homes but that is only good if you have sheep. Though as I pointed out in another post for purpose of farming a greenhouse may make more sense. Though if it's geothermal heated then it probably doesn't matter which structure is used as much but if it's not transparent you have to use grow lights which ads extra electricity usage to worry about.

>>4478 I've been meaning to get around to making biodiesel from algae for a few years now. It's one of those projects that's been floating around in my mind but the implementation is pretty complicated. The biggest hurdle is that the oil yield you get from say, 1 liter of water is tiny, even if it's super saturated with algae. On top of that, extraction is super hard because you either need to use solvents (e.g. hexane) or you need to completely dry the algae out and then mechanically press the biomass. And it's hard to get algae to grow if they're just standing still, you need some kind of agitation to facilitate nutrient and gas exchange like a bubbler to accelerate the process. But you have to consider how much energy you're putting in, because at some point the cost-benefit analysis of the energy you get out of the final product isn't worth it. I think it would be really cool to do some experiments to see what kind of tank works best, rectangular vs. polycarbonate tubes etc. and what kind of nutrients work well. I also think it would be really cool to do some kind of genetic modification to solve the extraction problem, although I don't really know what that would look like. Fundamentally, it seems like there should be a way to find an organism or protien or something which secretes oil, right? And then you'd just have to skim it off the top of the tank... way easier I'm interested in oil extraction not just to make biodiesel, but also because you can do manufacturing with plastics made from biodiesel. You can make thermoplastics and then if you have your own injection mold you can produce your own plastic parts for whatever you want at a huge scale very cheaply. The only thing I've done so far is grow algae under a grow light in a 2L bottle with an aquarium bubbler. I've gotten plenty of algae but I haven't been able to extract any oil yet. I think I need to grow on a slightly larger scale so I have more of the stuff to play around with. Unfortunately, most of the academic articles I've been able to find on the topic are paywalled. I wish I could hang every academic who thinks it's OK to publish work behind a paywall... or at least that there was some kind of private tracker for scientific journals...

>>4538 BTW, once you actually have the plant oil, making diesel out of it is incredibly simple and cheap. You can find instructions on YouTube or on the first page of a google search if you want.

>>4538 Yes I eventually found some methods that can be done at home here >>4533 though all videos I found of that nature seem pretty poor either at explaining things or demonstrating it actually works well. I think the UV lamp method from the second video is easiest method of oil extraction on a larger scale I would assume but considering I find no info on it outside that video it must be an experimental method and I have no idea how efficient it is at extraction. My assumption is it's a UVB lamp or UVC lamp. The later kind you have to wear protective eyewear and avoid light exposure with your skin so it must be UVB or the guy in the video is taking a risk. I could only assume UVC would be more efficient but that is only based on how damaging it is to human cells. Agitation could be done using a mechanical wind power driven Archimedes screw or similar to circulate the algae in cycles of light and darkness to increase yield. What if you used clostridia bacteria to ferment the carbohydrates to butanol? This would likely break the cell walls and release the oil as result. Closed fermentation tanks are what is used when using algae for production of omega-3 supplaments I think. I assume the process has to be stopped or too much butanol will be in the mix. Possibly may have to sterilize it of the bacteria as well before further use. Surprised in your research you never learned about sites like Sci-Hub. It's a site run by a Russian anarchist and has managed to stay afloat despite not really being legal. It supposedly has access to millions of papers from scientific journals.

>>4539 >>4543 Actually I did now find a paper on UV lamps algal oil extraction

For reference, here's a paper that goes over the transesterification process of converting oil to diesel.

>>4483 Kurt's Radio Show and Books: Radio show: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLCTm4iv44xzYX0NwnjJtDQENu7jtUZFE Books: https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Kurt+Saxon%22 Here is a pdf about places in the US and Canada which are thought to be preferable to relocate to: https://www.docdroid.net/NTQccoG/joel-m-skousen-strategic-relocation-north-american-guide-to-safe-places-2011-pdf-pdf Finally some copies of Backwoods homes magazine with useful homesteading information: https://archive.org/details/Backwoods_Home

>>4688 >chimney 3/4 walls outside 1/4 inside Why Americans do this? Do they hate their forests this much?

>>4689 >aaahh stop, you cant just use wood to heat your home! >hahahaha chainsaw go brrrrr It's an old painting, dude. People who still use wood to heat their cabin homes use high efficiency epa stoves. Also our forests are enormous and the lumber is harvested sustainably as mandated by law.

>>4543 >>4539 >>4538 I think you would be far better served making ethanol instead of diesel. It runs perfectly fine in most engines, it's safe and easy to store, easy to produce at small and up to industrial scale with minimal equipment, has uses other than fuel, etc... You don't need fancy sugar-heavy plants either, you can get industrial cellulase to break down fibrous plants like grass into sugar, or even make it yourself in a bioreactor. As a bonus, those plants are also fast growing and have usage for textile manufacturing as well.

>>4483 lmao what a psycho im sure his books are useful though

>>4489 >nordic

I like the cabin from the movie Children of Men.

I dont think I would have added as many windows. That could make heating the cabin difficult during winter.

>>4483 [ A C C E L E R A T E ]

>>4713 Triple glazing and high thermal mass heat storage would do great, also special infrared-blocking coating on the inside, and outside for summer sun angles to avoid overheating. If we're talking about low technology, high thermal mass storage still stands, one of likes in earth ship homes or greenhouses, as well an efficient masonry stove that does air pre-heating and exhaust recuperation. It's actually possible to heat water in black-coated in front of reflective surface or vacuum insulated tubes with power of sun in the middle of January in many places on northern hemisphere. Pictures in your post look like generic hippy geezer "wise man's" lair in this sort of dystopian fiction, and are not something to look for as inspiration. Just have a look at his stove: its an iron stove cosplaying as a fireplace, they lose energy very fast and produce really harsh heat gradients, you can't even bake bread in it. >>4690 Emission of fine particles is not same as heating efficiency though, of course they are correlated because higher amount of solid matter burned = more heat, but it's also important to understand how the stove loses it's heat, i.e. it may be a very "efficient" low thermal mass stove burning one log and producing X calories, but dissipating it very quickly and unnecessarily overheating the room, it may be a "less efficient" ondol or russian stove which keeps comfortable room temperature for days, and you can actually sleep on it in the night. Also if your forests are vast, why do you build houses from cardboard instead of round logs?

>>4727 I appreciated your post.

>>4472 >with a looming economic depression plus creeping environmental disaster, working to secure your own individual self sufficiency is pretty punk sorry to be pessimistic but after listening to the podcast "It Could Happen Here" which documents all the terror sleeper orgs in the US that are waiting for a collapse to kill all jews (or whatever group that org dislikes), i'm pessimistic that being self sufficient in rural areas will help that much, it's a choice between staying where i am now, in a city, and starving when soykaf hits the fan or being self sufficient in the areas that terrorists will take over first and getting killed when soykaf hits the fan

I just wish there was land I could live on and build something workable on like a shed to live in instead of being homeless. I just want to live my life like a human being and take care of myself. Everywhere is taken, there is no place to go anymore.

>>4762 Maybe find a place to squat/loiter around? It's something I think about. It's not like people are going to sniff you out if you plant yourself well.

i believe that a person with adequate knowledge and skills could be placed naked, without any posessions or supplies whatsoever, in the middle of a vast wilderness, and live there indefinitely without too much hardship.

>>4772 depends strongly on which wilderness. For instance, in Antarctica, they would be dead in a matter of hours.

>>4760 Please don't base all your knowledge of situation on opinions of someone who tells it to you because it earns him some money. >>4773 If it's summer (there is summer in Antarctica, but not now), and there's a dead mammal and sharp rocks nearby, then not so fast.

>>4774 >If it's summer (there is summer in Antarctica, but not now), and there's a dead mammal and sharp rocks nearby, then not so fast. You could always chase some penguins and try hugging them.

>>4762 Sometimes people buy large cuts of land with unwanted land on it then sell the unwanted land to increase the value of the better property. Often it's small cheap and mishapen. Do you have national parks? Some people squat on national parks by pretending to only be camping and if any permanent structure is built you can just claim you found it and set up there for shade if they caitch you. In countries like the UK they have squaters rights laws where if you squat long enough in a home or building the place becomes yours. Some places have abandoned mansions and abandoned underground missile silos or ones for sale. If you get a membership at a place with a 24 hour gym get a membership and you got yourself a place to shower and change your clothes. You can grow food using gorilla gardening which is just planting stuff in public spaces but be mindful where since you don't want something that will get contaminated or quickly removed.

>>4776 >>4762 Sorry that should say guerrilla not gorilla

Complete self sufficiency isn't yet viable for most people, but everyone can implement john michael greer's LESS system. Less Energy Less Stuff Less Stimulation Everytime you think of turning on the heater, just put on more clothes, everytime you're thinking of buying a new gadget, think very hard about whether you need it or whether it's just an urge (if you wait a week before buying it, the urge to buy will probably go away). Spend less time on computers and phones, go for a walk or read a book. The point of LESS is to reduce your dependency on industrial society for your psychological needs, reduce your need for consumption.

>>5760 It is true that not every individual can be self-sufficient, the very young and the very old will always need care. However, every family can be self-sufficient. Families are infinitely more viable than individuals because they can last longer than 127 years. The family is the fundamental unit of humanity that has existed since the very beginning, and in predecessor species. The future of humanity will be 5-10 acre family homesteads of 4-8 people evenly distributed around the world, each capable of fully feeding themselves indefinitely using organic permaculture, and yet generating zero greenhouse gas emissions.

>>4538 p late, but what ur looking for with the genetic modification would be called a secretion factor, it's the part of the gene that tells the cell to move the product out of the cytoplasm to the extracellular space, e.g. what makes mollusks produce a shell instead of filling their cells up til they die i recommend the videos and streams thoughtemporium makes, he has multiple genetic engineering projects and uses secretion factors in some, for example his recent spidersilk video where yeast produces the silk and secrete it i don't know how feasible it would be for a single person tho, since genes and bio projects get pretty pricy fast

>>5769 >The future of humanity will be ...nothing like your description, and there is no reason to think it will be anything like that. If you said SHOULD be we might have a different discussion.

>>5773 The calculation was incorrect, it is actually 20-40 acres with 2-4 arable acres per 4-8 people. This is the amount of land per family if land were equally distributed to all 7.8 billion people. But there are no guarentees about anything, let alone the survival of humanity. The only certainty is the exhaustation of fossil fuels including uranium in finite time, accelerated by the extreme and deliberate energy inefficiency of modern industrial processes compared to traditional manual labor. Once that happens, the only alternative for the survival of humanity will be a return to 17th century pre-Industrial Revolution homesteads. Rainfall agriculture will always work, unless the atmosphere has been destroyed by climate change or nuclear winter. If you think humanity is going to escape to Alpha Centauri, if they can't even survive on Earth, then you will be in a surprise.

>>5775 >Once that happens ...lots and lots of people die. Your future sounds utopian by comparison. Maybe some centuries down the road it will be like you described. I can tell you've read "Desert" already though. >If you think humanity is going to escape to Alpha Centauri Did I say that?

>>5788 There is absolutely no reason every single person alive, all 7.8 billion, and future generations cannot survive on Earth. There is enough food to sustain at least 16 billion people indefinitely using organic permaculture and the oceans. It only requires humans being smart enough to switch to renewable energy like the sun, hydropower, wind, biomass, geothermal and ocean thermal, and not do anything braindead like building and using thousands of cobalt bombs, making ozone holes or wasting billions of tons of food. Only then would humanity be ready to survive on other worlds.

>>5790 >There is absolutely no reason > It only requires humans being smart enough to switch to renewable energy like the sun, hydropower, wind, biomass, geothermal and ocean thermal, and not do anything braindead like building and using thousands of cobalt bombs, making ozone holes or wasting billions of tons of food Congratulations, you just listed the reasons. These are the things the species are not going to do no matter how many times you repeat yourself online. >Only then would humanity be ready to survive on other worlds. That's twice now. Why do you keep saying this crap? Who are you even arguing with?

>>5791 I realize this is going to sound nit picky, but those are not the reasons that we cannot hope for a sustainable future. Those are impediments we create for ourselves. When that lain says there are "no reasons", they are fully correct in a very literal way. We have no naturally imposed, or permanent condition which prohibits us from being able to obtain this goal. The impediments listed are merely obstructions we create for ourselves. Self-sabotage could certainly be seen as reasons to not succeed, but they're conditioned upon ourselves and our own decisions, not upon some inherent fact of the world. Ozone holes, cobalt bombs (whatever those are), wasting food, etc. are all conditioned upon us making retrograde decisions, not some hard and fast fact of the world. As such, I believe it is sound to reject "those reasons".

>>5791 It is a possibility that intelligent lifeforms have a tendency to self-destruct, which is one possible resolution of the Fermi paradox. In this case, the best way for both an individual and a species to survive would be to practice complete self-sufficiency. The probability of every individual deciding to self-destruct one day is lower than the age of universe several quadrillion times over, compared to probability estimates of a nuclear armed civilization self-destructing of 1 in 1000 per year. It would be literally impossible to wipe out of the human race if everyone lived on their own self-sufficient homestead. Not only would every single individual be incredibly resilient, but there would not be any centralized industrial base required to do stupid things like mass nuclear weapons to a world ending level.

Do any of you have experience buying tax delinquent properties? I'm looking into purchasing a more or less abandoned property bought by the state at auction some years ago. It's a tax deed which apparently gives you most rights to the property but still requires a quiet title lawsuit to fully extinguish all other claims giving you full title free and clear. It's difficult to find free information on this, most are just ads for attorneys to do the work for you for a hefty fee, or the information is more focused on tax liens where you're hoping the owner will eventually pay it off (in my state it's the price you paid at auction + 8%) as an investment rather than intending to end up with the property. In any case, the particular property I have my eye own is in an okay-ish area, rather low-income but not ghetto and close to the various regions I frequent. It's a small brick home ~1000sqft, looks mostly solid outside, need roof work for sure and I haven't been inside, assuming needs complete renovation, and it's sitting on a bit over one acre. If all goes well I will purchase this property and slowly get it fixed up to a liveable state and move in, and start I guess a micro-homestead set up to be as self sufficient as possible. If any of you have any words of advice with regards to such a matter they would be greatly appreciated.

>>5801 >It's difficult to find free information on this, most are just ads for attorneys to do the work for you for a hefty fee, or the information is more focused on tax liens where you're hoping the owner will eventually pay it off (in my state it's the price you paid at auction + 8%) as an investment rather than intending to end up with the property. Have you tried finding common terms from the attorney websites that you can use to filter them out of your search results? You could set up a fake email and phone number and then reach out to one of there attorneys for consultations, if they piss you off or pressure you then you can drop them like a rock. If you go through with this I'd advise you to be educated but use an attorney anyhow. There are some legal insurance plans that might help cover this case, you'd need to investigate yourself. I have one but for the sake of not looking like spam I won't mention them, I will advice you to AVOID prepaid-legal as they're a generally dishonest MLM.

>>5801 Any sort of land tax will make it impossible to live self-sufficiently. Even if you live off-the-grid and be completely self-sufficient in food, energy, heating, housing, the government still makes you pay them land tax. This is to force you to make an income by working for them, and the only place where they will provide jobs are in urban areas. The effect is to discourage rural living, and concentrate the population into the rat race in the cities. If you are self-sufficient, and don't require any government services, then what justification does the government have to make you pay tax? Protection? From who? If everyone was self-sufficient, then why would anyone attack you? If you buy the land, then there is a strong possibility that you may end up like the previous owner and be unable to pay the tax, and have the government confiscate your property. The only solution to this cleverly designed enslavement is to squat the land instead. Who is going to evict you from empty land, the previous owner? The next owner? Even in the worst cast scenario, you are still better off squatting than than buying it and paying tax because at least you don't end up with debt, which is worse than owning nothing.

>>4472 I have this bought, the image related, but have no transport and have hypertension so cannot live in the woods with it while trying to cultivate the land. My botany of interest is: 1) kale (prefer ornamental) (high calcium and relatively high protein) (a superfood) 2) potato (because whole protein) 3) dill weed (spice) 4) kratom (partial opioid agonist) 5) stevia (sweetener) 6) soy bean (because whole protein and relatively high calcium) (a superfood) 7) bell pepper (vit c and 'spice') 8) radish (vit c) 9) lemon grass (spice) 10) cumin (spice) 11) cayenne (spice) 12) ginger (spice) 13) garlic (spice) 14) green onion (spice) 15) hemp (cloth) 16) passion flower (anxiety and mao(?) inhibitor) 17) marijuana (reasons) 18) tomato (preservative of stews and vits such as c but also dip) 19) kava (seeds are sterile) 20) hawthorn (to replace ace inhibitor) 21) barley (for malt to make wine/vingear and or grain) 22) spearmint (spices) 23) basil (spices) 24) oregano (spices) 25) blue berry (desert and or wine) 26) rapeseed (oil) 27) lemon balm (smoke/tea) 28) maze (grain) 29) chamomile (smoke/tea) 30) damiana (smoke/tea) 31) calendula (smoke/tea) 32) blue lotus (smoke/tea) 33) grape (just because sugar) 34) calabash gourd (bottle gourd) 35) bamboo (bulding) 36) mullein (asthma) 37) salvia (divinorum) 38) wild lettuce (analgesic) 39) klip/wild dagga (tea/smoke) 40) winterbloom (astringent) 41) saint john's wort (depression) 42) valerian (sleep) 43) Chlorogalum pomeridianum (soap plant) or Saponaria (soapwort) 44) coconut (for lube (and hats (and food I guess (but also containers like the gourd)))) 45)Wasabi (spice)

>>5849 The government eventually will confiscate abandoned land if they want it for some reason. But yes, land ownership is not worth it unless you have a stable income.

>>5849 I think one way around a land tax is to get adopted by a First Nation. You'd be on a reservation and you won't be self sufficient but you be in a community with a long, active history focusing on self sufficiency. Many should be eagerly preparing for a collapse of the US.

If you want to make a good, cheap, healthy base food that you can add anything to for variety, buy some flour, canola oil, dry milk, and bouillon powder. Put a little oil in a pan, heat it, sprinkle in the flour until you get a nice gravy. Mix the dry milk and bouillon with water and pour some in. Whole thing takes about ten minutes or less. It's actually tasty and takes care of grain, protein, oil food groups. Just about any kind of vegetable or meat can be added to it, or just eat it as it is.

>>5854 Most medical conditions like hypertension are caused by modern lifestyles, and can easily be controlled by doings things like eating healthy, home cooked food instead of high-sodium, high-fat slop from fast food or processed foods. Just consuming hawthorn, willow bark tea and other plants as food will do a much better job at improving your health than consuming drugs and junk food. >>5860 Just move to the next plot of abandoned land. Every single time empires overextend themselves by taking more land, they leave other areas undefended. Never, ever pay their tax, it only makes them stronger. >>5861 The Anglo empire has deliberately made it impossible to join a First Nation except through blood. Their intentions are obvious, they will not tolerate permanent autonomy and they are conducting a steady genocide of a culture.

>>5865 >Just move to the next plot of abandoned land. Every single time empires overextend themselves by taking more land, they leave other areas undefended. Not all abandoned land is usable for growing or collecting food. In the modern era we can only expect the percentage of unusable land to grow. It also takes a lot of time and effort to make a bare patch of dirt habitable and defensible (because if you're living in the middle of nowhere, tweekers *will* try to steal your soykaf).

>>5866 There is enough land for everyone in the world, like 4.7 acres per person, and 0.51 arable acres per person. Even the non-arable acres host vegetation like trees. It would be a good idea to actually live separately from your garden, perhaps on the move or in a hidden bunker, so that they cannot find your food supply just by finding your home. Their only tools are violence and coercion, which can be defeated by adaptability, stealth and intelligence. They really do rely on you registering your own home address as their primary way to find you. Cache valuables underground in buckets or ammo cans.

>>5867 >There is enough land for everyone in the world, like 4.7 acres per person, and 0.51 arable acres per person most of the arable land is heavily guarded, and as the climate becomes more unpredictable while the population grows it can be expected that the crop efficiency of arable land will drop.

>>5879 If the land is unused or wasted, it doesn't matter how guarded it is, it is trivial to throw a couple seedbombs on it and harvest in a few months. Use amaranth or dandelion seeds for yield and drought resistance. If you hope to preserve the environment and humanity, literally growing plants everywhere would be the only way to reverse the polllution damage of industrialization. Also you can use the oceans for food, water and energy.

>>5865 >hypertension is caused by x >hawthorn helps Hawthorn is in my list of botany interests for that reason actually. Also note that no pizza nor fries are in the list of botany XD But I have no place to attempt the plants, and trees take five years. I dropped out of college due to living too much in the now, so that's why I'm still here fat, I can't live for tomorrow. Though I did make that kit. Escaping is illegal. Sleeping outside is illegal. Train hopping is illegal. Walking away from the life that forces me to be this way would casue plantar fasciitis to boot up, so....

As the oceans get warmer they will hold less dissolved oxygen and fish populations will decrease significantly. So-called "dead zones" in the oceans are already expanding. As permafrost thaws in swaths of Canada and Russia, large new tracts of arable land will be created. The cost will be vast releases of greenhouse gases from that land, which will increase the rate of warming. Eventually Antarctica may be the only habitable place on Earth. Maybe parts of Greenland. It's a real mess, and past the point of no return. If all man-made greenhouse gas emissions fell to 0 (zero) today, self-sustaining warming will continue to increase. Earth could become like Venus.

>>5892 >Earth could become like Venus. that is a pretty unlikely scenario. Basically it would need to get hot enough that the oceans boil away, and it's really unlikely that there is enough trapped methane or remaining burnable Co2 sources to do that. The only source for all the needed greenhouse gasses would be geological processes, which of course only release gasses on geological time scales, and it's not super clear how much a warmer atmosphere would affect them. For comparison, Venus has orders of magnitude more Co2 in its atmosphere than the total biomass of Earth. Earth has been without polar ice caps before. Life even thrived in those conditions, it is possible it will again in several thousand years.

>>5893 for now though, yes, we are living in the greatest mass extinction event in over 60 million years, possibly worse than the Chixulub impact.

>>5892 Oxygen will slowly rise from the earth's crust weather people like it or not. Your trees nor fish matter.

>>5895 >Your trees nor fish matter. Things matter only in relation to a subjective observer. I decide they do matter.

>>5896 Unfathomably based and chadpilled

>>5884 It sounds like your present living situation is not getting better with time. Unless you do something to change it, it can probably only get worse. To be honest, this is just one result of the current state of the world, where increasing industrialization and capitalism just makes the average person's life more soykaf. If you supposedly live in a democracy where everyone is equal, then you should claim your fair share of the country's land. For example, every American would be entitled to own 1/328239523 of the country's total territory of 9,833,520 square km, which is 0.03 square km or 7.4 acres per citizen. You could call a vote on this, whether to give everyone in the country 7.4 acres of free land. Any other law is completely illegitimate tyranny designed to benefit only the ruling class at the expense of everyone else. Try planting small plants that grow quickly wherever you can, so that you can potentially harvest them for seeds and emergency food. You can easily plant hawthorn and other useful plants like potatoes in public land. >>5892 This is not true. The worst case scenario for global warming due to greenhouse gases is Jurassic Era climate. All fossil fuels were produced from atmospheric carbon captured by plants during that era, if it were released, the Earth would return to that state. The Jurassic Era had plenty of lifeforms, like dinosaurs.

>>5898 >The worst case scenario for global warming due to greenhouse gases is Jurassic Era climate. Well, no, it's rapid extinction. Ironically the death of forests and spread of deserts will probably increase reflection away from the Earth and force the climate to stay milder than the Cretaceous Hothouse scenario. The issue isn't the increase, we know that Earthly life can survive a greenhouse environment, it's the rate at which it increases. The climate (among numerous other things -- honestly climate change is just a small part of the ongoing mass extinction) is changing too fast for life to adapt. In a million years we might expect a vibrant ecosystem to return, but it is a certainty at this point that most of Earth will be a desolate wasteland for the foreseeable future, especially if humans continue to spread their industrial filth everywhere. >All fossil fuels were produced from atmospheric carbon captured by plants during that era, if it were released, the Earth would return to that state That is fallacious reasoning... if all the carbon that was collected over millions of years is released in two centuries, that would cause more to be in the air at one time then there was at any one time while it was being collected.

I just want to say that I really like that little white house in the OP and I'd move in if I could. :3 That's all. Best to all in 2021!

>>5899 >The climate (among numerous other things -- honestly climate change is just a small part of the ongoing mass extinction) is changing too fast for life to adapt. There are plenty of plant and animal species that have survived since the Cretaceous Era, like the fern or Coelacanth. In the case atmospheric carbon dioxide levels return to Cretaceous-Jurassic-Triassic levels, species adapted to those periods will increase their population to replace species that are not adapted, and become the new dominant species. >That is fallacious reasoning... if all the carbon that was collected over millions of years is released in two centuries Then the climate would return to its state millions of years ago with the identical concentration of CO2. Carbon follows the conservation of mass. The idea that Earth would become Venus is absurd.

>>5902 >In the case atmospheric carbon dioxide levels return to Cretaceous-Jurassic-Triassic levels, species adapted to those periods will increase their population to replace species that are not adapted, and become the new dominant species. They have evolved since then too, and circumstances have changed significantly. In particular there was a lot more oxygen in the air at that time than there is now, and they were competing with entirely different species. There is no guarantee at all that older species will become dominant in the future. >Then the climate would return to its state millions of years ago with the identical concentration of CO2. No. The overall climate is a complicated system with many more variables than just the concentration of CO2. For instance, since that time the sun itself has gotten larger and illuminates the Earth more. The entire premise is stupid anyway because most stored atmospheric carbon is not burnable.

>>5898 Indeed it will get worse and choice is an illusion. Voting was invented by the Ancient Greeks to STOP change, to stop revolts. That won't change my life either. So the blue has federal reserves with rules to follow and the good land is all owned by the fly over red states. Blue fedland, red(necks) to choose if no fedland. Which would I choose? To trespass so my soykaf can actually grow is what I'd choose, on the redneck's land. But, that'd not work out, so arid clay soil land wherein you're not allowed to do x thing in the forest, such as steal a cedar tree seed, is there to be had. yes communism is the correct course of action, our society hates it so much we are in a trade war with China right now and that's what all the covid bullshit is actually about. Harming China's profits on principle, the prinicples of an Abrahmic nation that hates equality. Atheists go to hell, christians heaven, poor people are inferior to royals, in a nutshell that's the mindset fuarrrking everyone. Neo-feudalism. Democracy is a thing to dupe peasants. I can't plant it in some place like this, FL is about as pleasant as living in Somalia. Even when not super obese I was getting chafe mark scars and kidney damage from being overheated and dehydrated. About things being easy in regards to hawthorn, it's a tree. They take forever to grow. Pretty hopeless all in all.

>>5904 Lol. Squat in a national forest and in the unlikely event you're noticed by a ranger you'll get escorted out or maybe pay a fine. Trespass on a redneck's farm and Cletus will blow your head off if he thinks he can get away with it.

>>5905 If I am a bum with no money then the fine becomes prison time, and they take my kit that I use to stay sane in the woods. Thus resulting in suicide eventually as I get let out with my stuff long gone in some police auction. Vs die anyway via a redneck but in the meantime be able to actually grow food.

>>5903 >They have evolved since then too, and circumstances have changed significantly. Coelacanth are almost genetically identical to how they were 65 Ma. 99.93% genome similarity for species which diveged 30 Ma. At 0.07% divergence per 30 million years, that is only 0.14% divergence during Cretaceous Era 65 Ma. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0378111912006531?via%3Dihub >we determined the entire sequence of the HOX cluster of the Tanzanian coelacanth (Latimeria chalumnae) and compared it with that of the Indonesian coelacanth (L. menadoensis), which was available in the literature. The most intriguing result was the extremely small genetic divergence between the two coelacanths. The synonymous divergence of the HOX coding region between the two coelacanths was estimated to be 0.07%, which is ~ 11-fold smaller than that of human–chimp. When we applied the estimated divergence time of the two coelacanths of 6 million years ago (MYA) and 30 MYA, which were proposed in independent mitochondrial DNA analyses, the synonymous substitution rate of the coelacanth HOX cluster was estimated to be ~ 11-fold and 56-fold smaller than that of human–chimp, respectively. Thus, the present study implies that the reduction of the nucleotide substitution rate in coelacanth HOX genes may account for the conservation of coelacanth morphology during evolution. >In particular there was a lot more oxygen in the air at that time than there is now, That is true, but that only affects how large animals can become. Coelacanth can clearly survive with modern oxygen and Cretaceous oxygen. >For instance, since that time the sun itself has gotten larger and illuminates the Earth more. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1440-1738.1999.00238.x >The solar forcing (long‐term increase in the solar luminosity) has little effect on the CO 2 level because the solar luminosity was only 1.0% lower at 120 Ma than it is today

>>5904 The most important reason to not let 80% of the land in the country be owned by 20% of the population, is that it will continue to become more and more concentrated in fewer hands with time. It will probably reach 90% of the land owned by 10% soon, and eventually all the land in the world by 1 owner. But this is only if you let them. You have what you can keep. The rich idiots owning and wasting hundreds of acres of land each need to be dealt with by constantly squatting and raiding the property. If it works for activists against corporate mines and developments, it'll work for individual rednecks. The law is designed to stop everyone from living in the woods at all costs, and trap them in the cities. The justification that forcing people to live in cities somehow preserves the environment better than people living on self-sufficient forest permaculture homesteads is silly, because urbanization is the primary cause of the destruction of the environment and natural habitats. Cities are much more polluting per capita than rural homesteads. At this rate of rising inequality, a revolution is inevitable. Foreign wars between the US and China are really just to waste resources and distract the general populations of both countries. The US justifies all the trillions wasted on weapons "because China", and the China justifies the trillions they waste on weapons "because US". What the fuarrrk does the average person in the US or China have to gain from a war between these two countries? fuarrrk this great game. Tropical and subtropical regions like Florida are pretty good places to grow plants self-sufficiently, because of the lack of winter. Plants will grow all year long, and you can also camp outside all year long. Plant a shrub hawthorn like Indian hawthorn, which can grow much quicker than tree hawthorn, yet still produces the same herbal effects.

>>5908 >Coelacanth are almost genetically identical to how they were 65 Ma. this assumes that 1) genetic divergence remained the same for the entire 65-million-year time period, which is not guaranteed 2) that the actual point of divergence between the species was 30 million years ago 3) there was no cross-species gene exchange >That is true, but that only affects how large animals can become. It also has tons of effects on body chemistry and metabolism of everything. AFAIK the amount of oxygen in the air doesn't have much to do with the amount of oxygen in the water, hence all the 'dead zones' in the modern ocean. >>The solar forcing (long‐term increase in the solar luminosity) has little effect on the CO 2 level because the solar luminosity was only 1.0% lower at 120 Ma than it is today as I said, my point is that CO2 is just one part of the overall system, not that the sun being bigger adds more CO2.

>>5909 >Cities are much more polluting per capita than rural homesteads. and both pale in comparison to suburbs.

>>5904 >So the blue has federal reserves with rules to follow and the good land is all owned by the fly over red states. Blue fedland, red(necks) to choose if no fedland Isn't red vs. blue a Halo machinima? Why are you talking like it's real? Anyway, it's not hard at all to live undetected in national forest land, you just have to hole up really deep in the places where rangers don't go to often, probably along a game trail rather than a maintained one.

>>5909 They do deserve to be invaded, I will do research on if the shrub variety can do the same thing and be grown not in 5+ years (even small things can take such time), and about politics it's all bullshit excuses for a holy war of inequality, as capitalism hates the poor wanting money so do the christians hate everyone going to heaven. Atheist 2nd world nations they hate and want excuses to attack the progress. About Fl, I actually live here and have chafe mark scars from it. It's awful here and most land is not free, and while one could invade where I live the pigs are ridiculous. Going to a park at night is illegal and also it's forbidden to sleep outside at any time. Trespassing with a weapon is an automatic felony, and many other faggy laws like three strikes you're out. It's a bad place. But I did know about the shrubs, but I never find evidence in the past that anything but one or two tree species were used for hypertension, but Indian is something to go on as there are SO MANY species of the hawthorn, as there are with so much botany. Gratuitous species. >quick check Some articles think it might work, the Indian. I put it in my mixed climate.txt

>>5910 >this assumes that 1) genetic divergence remained the same for the entire 65-million-year time period Genetic divergence is assumed to be based on random substitutions, therefore linear. This is a reasonable assumption considering climate of the oceans hasn't changed in 30 Ma, or even 60 Ma. >It also has tons of effects on body chemistry and metabolism of everything. Most species can adapt to low oxygen because concentration of oxygen changes with altitude. >my point is that CO2 is just one part of the overall system, not that the sun being bigger adds more CO2. Concentration of oxygen doesn't affect the climate, just biology. Only greenhouse gases will affect the climate, and the maximum amount is limited by conservation of mass.

>>5914 If you are dealing those who think they are feudal barons, and think they have the right to treat everyone else like serfs, then you are just going to have to get Robin Hood to pay them a visit. All the wars are waged just to increase inequality. They successfully destroyed most countries in the Middle East, reducing the average person's living standard to worse than 20 years ago in every country. You can propagate most woody plants like hawthorn from hardwood or softwood cuttings, where you cut off a small branch from a plant and root it. Plant the cutting in a pot and transplant it to site when it is grown. This is much faster than growing from seed. https://homeguides.sfgate.com/propagate-hawthorn-56507.html In Florida, you could probably camp in the Everglades without anyone ever finding you. Salicylic Acid, the active ingredient, can be found in several different plants. All hawthorn varieties should have some. >Step One Plant a hawthorn cutting in the early spring, when the plant would begin growing naturally. This will allow the plant to grow under controlled conditions for a full year before moving it outdoors. A cutting that is grown indoors will be stronger and more likely to survive when transplanted outside. >Step Two Fill a planter with several inches of potting soil. This will be the place where the hawthorn tree will grow for a full year. Use a planter that is large enough to accommodate a growing tree. >Step Three Choose a hawthorn cutting that is 4 to 6 inches long and has no visible signs of disease, such as yellowed leaves or bent or broken parts. >Step Four Moisten one end of the hawthorn cutting with water and dip it in a root hormone powder. Use the cut end of the cutting for this process; the root hormones will encourage the plant to begin putting down roots in the soil. >Step Five Make a small hole in the planter with the end of a pencil or your finger. Insert the cutting into the hole so that at least 1 inch of the cutting is covered by the soil. Pack the soil around the hawthorn cutting and water the plant immediately to begin the growing process and enable the soil to hold the plant more firmly. >Step Six Place the hawthorn tree where it will receive partial sunlight throughout the day. Direct sunlight can damage the tree and scorch it, or prevent it from putting out leaves. >Step Seven Keep the hawthorn cutting in a warm area of the house where it will not be exposed to low temperatures, which can kill the cutting. >Step Eight Water the hawthorn regularly so that the soil stays moist. Do not water the cutting too much, as this can drown the young tree. >Step Nine Keep the hawthorn tree inside for a full year before transplanting it outside. Dig a hole that is deep enough to hold the roots of the tree. Place the tree in the hole and cover the roots with soil. Water the tree immediately.

>>5921 >Genetic divergence is assumed to be based on random substitutions, therefore linear. Genetic divergence tends to increase after a major extinction event, because the fitness landscape changes dramatically and high mutation rate becomes useful. >Concentration of oxygen doesn't affect the climate no, but luminosity of the sun does. Reading comprehension is crucial.

>>5923 >Genetic divergence tends to increase after a major extinction event That is true, but Isoetes fossils from the Cretaceous are still highly similar to modern Isoetes. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0227525 >We conclude, based on our nuclear genome-wide analyses, that the diversity of extant Isoetes most likely originated during the Paleogene, between 45 and 60 Ma (Paleocene-Eocene; Table 1), although an origin from the Late Cretaceous to the Micoene is within the 95% confidence interval >no, but luminosity of the sun does. Luminosity of the sun during Cretaceous Era is only 1% less than modern day. If Cretaceous CO2 concentration were applied to modern day luminosity, the climate would effectively identical.

speaking of survival, there's an android app on F-droid that provides an offline guide with a lot of survival tips and instructions on various topics. Stuff like power generation, first aid and so on.

>>6045 Would be cool if you named it, thanks fren

>>6046 oh sorry it's called survival manual, here's the github page. I believe it's based on an actual survival manual and they might have a wiki for easier browser access. https://github.com/survivalmanual

The hardest part is overcoming the weird taboo around avoiding consumerism. "Why don't you just buy it?" is what you hear from normals any time you say you want to grow your own food. The social pressure is strong. Sort of an enforced laziness. I've been trying to work up the courage to ask my parents if I can make a mushroom farm in the yard. I know they will act like it's a stupid and pointless endeavor, but right now it's just bare ass dirt. There's no excuse.

>>6048 >The hardest part is overcoming the weird taboo around avoiding consumerism. there's a taboo for avoiding consumerism? I mean how would people even know? It's not like an identity. As far as growing food it's actually very common, even among normal people to grow veggies in the yard alongside growing food. It can be seen as a hobby. With your parents you can just tell them it's unused space and you'd like to learn growing skills or whatever.

>>6049 eh, maybe I just hang around self-obsessed unbrains.

>>6050 how about you start it up as a hobby, obviously you won't "not buy food" immediately. Doubt your friends and family would think it's weird if they thought of it as a hobby. So initially you can start with simple stuff, like veggies and so on. Slowly try them out with cooking once you actually grow some, bet your parents would actually like them since they'd be more organic than store bought and probably healthier. Once you get the hang of it you can branch out and grow more different stuff.

>>6048 Grow something else besides mushrooms first. Trust me, if you ask your parents to grow mushrooms, they are going to assume you are trying to grow magic mushrooms.

>>6048 If you have never gardened before, start with something really easy and foolproof like potatoes. Literally just take a sprouting potato and plant it by burying in spring, water every week, and harvest in 3 months when the plant dries up by digging.

>>6129 I brought it up. That's exactly what they said even though I explicitly said "edible mushrooms" multiple times. The thing is that I've grown mushrooms, both psychedelic and edible, before and it's really fun. I'd much prefer that to normal gardening

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>>4532 Mixing a little ethanol in your vegetable oil helps when it's cold, and makes it more suitable for a modern diesel engine too.

>>4472 I watched someone build an underground bunker type room and one of the things he noted as an issue was the build up of moisture. It was to the point where the walls were wet with condensation. How would one prevent this?

>>6518 Appropriate insulation and a dehumidifiers is one step. Don't think the problem is any different than moisture issues in a basement.

Learn to cook & have plenty of water storage.

>>>6518 This is also, like a whole lot of things, wildly dependant on where you are / where you are building. Some places it is much harder or easier to dig to basement depth. Some places it is much more likely that basements flood. Some places they never do. And some specific locales where they do flood are going to be more or less prone to it. So a good place to start is figuring out about your location, do people have basements ? do they have moisture problems ? what is the water table height ? Do you get major rains at any time in the year ? If so, is it possible to avoid building in an area where runoff is likely to accumulate, or to build with sensible drainage ? While in many ways everywhere is the same, there are building considerations that are highly locale specific. If you plan to build something real, do due dilligence with an eye on your own specific location.

>>4472 (OP) Related project: >>7884 >>4476 My nigga. Sepp Holzer's Permaculture is also a good one: https://libgen.fun/book/index.php?md5=C51468E3E4A1001D55C725A2994FBBD3 >>4507 A tractor is more economical than a horse. And that's just for plowing, a questionable agricultural practice, to say the least. Imagine how awkward it would be trying to do the job of a backhoe with a horse.

>>7886 What year those calculations are from? You can't grow gasoline on your field as far as I know, and horses don't need 265 days of "idle", they work all year round if not for you, then for your neighbors pulling a cart or sleigh. You can also eat them and 100% recycle their carcasses.

>>7950 >>7886 yes these calculations are vague and ignore the difficulty of creating decent-quality fuel, as well as the volatility of fuel prices. Fuel shortages are more common than horsefeed shortages. >>4507 >a highly inefficient mode of transportation justified in existence solely by abundance of cheap fuel and petroleum lubricants. worthless for routine travel, but internal combustion (either in a train or in an automobile) is unmatched for long-distance travel and hauling huge loads even through poor terrain.

>>7950 >What year those calculations are from? Probably around 1920, but I don't see a reason why it should matter. If anything, machinery has become cheaper since then. >You can't grow gasoline on your field You can run your car off of woodgas, ethanol, acetone, or butanol, the latter are fermented by bacteria or fungi from biomass. >You can also eat them and 100% recycle their carcasses. A practice derezzed by the Aryans.

>>4506 a greenhouse is a good idea, but I'd avoid soytech like hydro/aeroponics. Spray nozzles will fail, you might be able to 3D print some more, but where are you going to get the plastic for that from? Where are you going to get your bilge pumps (or their parts) from when they inevitably fail? Where are you going to get liquified fertilizer with balanced NPK and micronutrient ratios from? You can't just toss a peel or core back into the substrate and rely on mother nature to do the rest of the heavy lifting. Hydro/Aeroponic setups are going to make you more, not less, reliant on a no longer existing supply chain.

>>9118 A greenhouse without any modern technology is a great idea, I had one for some time in a very mid climate with lots of raining all year and it was like being in spring all year long. The most complicated part is most likely find good soil with plenty of natural groundwater.

>>4472 I should make a whole torrent web site on i2p of all the homesteading stuff I can find. I think i2p would be really good for that. Does anyone have any .PDFs on digging a well or well pumps? How do dig a simple well would be great for anyone to have.

>>4483 Bear in mind he was kicked out of the American Nazi party, the Church of Satan AND Scientology. And if you think his recipes are effective, count his fingers.

>>6048 who says this to you? everyone ive ever mentioned gardening anything, including food, to seems impressed by the idea and even my regular suburban upper middle class parents grow potatoes and carrots off and on - hell, one of our main supermarket chains here does a promo every year or two where they give away seeds in little biodegradable pots specifically to grow your own little food plants and people lap it up but yes, like other people have said mushrooms are a weird place to start and in my experience are normally grown inside in containers rather than in a conventional garden but perhaps thats a client/breed of shroom thing speaking of indoor containers, what do people think of growing crickets? seen a lot of low maintenence setup ideas for bulk farming them indoors but i hear they smell and does anybody know anything about DIY safe refridgerants? recently learned how they work ngl and wondering how easy it would be to keep something efficient like a chest freezer running without a supply chain

>>5800 so how are we going to have 8 billion self sufficient homesteads?

>>9217 Realistically, most people would fail. But if you wanted to be an idealistic person, there are 38 billion acres of land on the earth. You do the math.

http://library.lol/main/9D8EDC663AA232C3EB8DF2856BDA0F7C

>>4483 >He advocates becoming self sufficient and proficientcy in low technology Sounds like Ted Kaczynski's milder minded anyway just avoid sending pipe bombs to people's mailboxes

>>9220 heres the maths 1.38 billion hectares of arable land on earth and almost 3 billion hectares of "potentially cultivable land" and 6 acres per person to actually grow all your own food means (6*8bil)/2.47105 which is 19,433,198,380 hectares (19 billion hectares) so yeah this is basically unfeasible because you would have to convert almost 15 billion hectares of un farmable land into farmable land, and thats not even managing all the other resources and everything in life so yeah i did the maths and you are a retard, go homestead in the sahara so i dont have to ever read your posts again

>>5800 also this is the most retarded take ive seen on this site i think, homesteading doesnt somehow make humanity invunerable, you have to have zero experience in the movement to think it makes you "resilient", its fun and fulfulling but its literally called fuarrrking subsistence farming and it is like kicking dead whales down the beach like ass if you run into problems because theres no welfare net to support you and everybody else would just be growing enough for themselves

>>9220 heres more maths: there are only 14 billion hectares of land on earth and 12 billion hectares of biologically productive land AND WATER on earth congrats on trolling me i guess

>>4772 There are still tribes that, to this day, have their young do just that for a period of time. Only problem is that with only one person, you have zero room for error. Not to mention the fact that it takes a while to have those skills anyways. Bush people who can do that have been doing it their whole lives, and while you can fast track it with modern books/videos, there is still a lot. I encourage minimal reliance on the system however, so learning those skills is great. There is a book called Bushcraft by Mors Kochanski that my be of use.

[/spoiler]How do you make some emptu woodland unappealing to buyers or campers without making it dangerous? Ghost stories? Though that may actually attract people. Alternatively how do I find empty space so that I can build a shack out of pallets and never return to society? [spoiler]

>>9391 There are some extremely big national forests in the US. There are people who are lost in such forests and are never found. I think it is reasonable to think that one could lose themselves there so long as they don't create any structures that are too large.

>>4482 Site is dead now. Hoping there is an archive somewhere for it.

>>5854 Hemp has a myriad of uses beyond cloth. Food, paper, building material, medicinal... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp#Uses Every part of the coconut plant has a commercial use. There's alcohol made from the juice and and another made from the flower sap. The wood is cocobolo, one of the best hardwoods. They made old style police batons out of it. There's coconut flour, vinegar, oil, butter, fuel, charcoal, ropes, sacks... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coconut#Uses The downside is a few of your people getting killed by falling coconuts every year. It's unavoidable. You can eat bamboo shoots, but they must be fermented to detoxify them. Cayenne pepper has weapons applications I'd also suggest growing mushrooms. This book is too big to post here. https://libgen.ee/book_137874475 Hypertension? Beetroot juice for the nitrates for a quick fix, raw garlic to thin the blood, raw celery to neutralise the stress hormones raising your blood pressure.