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Looking at the van/rv thread, I wanted to create a boat thread. In my mind, it's rv freedom with international waters lawlessness. Are there any lainons around who are interested in boats and have stories/experiences to share? I'd like to one day own a boat, have satellite internet, and just sail around from country to country whilst working on an internet based business of my own. Used boats look affordable. They come with toilet, small kitchen, bed, and cozy living quarters. Some even have a shower. As naive as it probably seems, I am inspired by the movie Captain Ron with Kurt Russell.

sailing a boat around the ocean sounds fun if you've never been on a boat in rough weather. I'd prefer not to have a very real chance of dying if I get caught in a storm on the open ocean

I'd recommend "The Art of Shen Ku: The Ultimate Traveler's Guide of This Planet", by The Zeek.

>>3064 I have also seen All is Lost with Robert Redford. Survival is also part of the attraction. >>3065 Seems like a fun read.

Of great interest to me is the isolation and self sufficiency required with boats. How do I get fresh water? How much food can I store? Could I live off of caught fish, seaweed, and potted plants? How do I wash clothes? How do I get electricity? How will I get internet, and how bad will the ping times be? Garbage minimization, storage, and disposal. Toilet and waste management. The systems involved and their efficiencies make boats a more interesting DIY to me than a van/RV. It would almost be like living in a personal biosphere.

excellent resource thread & someone out there doin' it https://squattheplanet.com/threads/salish-sea-puget-sound-boatpunx.37219/ siqq article on liveaboard colony https://harpers.org/archive/2019/05/lost-at-sea-richardson-bay/ you need ~5k to start out and a way to make ~2.5k per year for maintenance 2019 is the year of boatpunk

>>3136 I've only been boating on a lake and you had to fill up water tanks at port, fish is good food I guess, dunno about washing clothes but the boat had a sauna, electricity you ofc have to bring with yourself as well or some kind of fuel using generator, internet is the same as in the woods meaning depends on where, garbage you'll have to just hold on to, toilet has to be emptied every now and then tho you can just pee into something and empty it overboard. Theres a million annoying ropes, it is pure hell to dock when it's windy... I assume sea is just a total nightmare.

>>3063 OOOOHHHHH BOYEEE, after being isolated for 6 months with no access to lainchan (and limited access to the internet for that matter) I came into this thread... I can give some helpful advice from years of experience, and some good sea stories: >there is nothing like watching the sun come up over a calm tropical sea with a warm see breeze blowing across your face, and gulls cawing as they gently fly over the water >>3136 A large factor of how well your boat experience is comes from how much money/time you are willing to put into the boat. Larger boats have reverse osmosis filters to turn sea water into fresh water for drinking. In a survival situation you could catch rain or use evaporation to try to capture drinkable water. the amount of storage ranges greatly for how much space you have, and that comes down to money. If you have Iridium or Inmarsat, those are probably the only few companies to get access to the internet while at sea (it is a niche market) but you can have cool radio conversations with other people sometimes.pumping of sewage oerboard (if installed ) is highly regulated within territorial waters, but in open ocean, you can pump sewage, and basically there are no rules (keep in mind that most countries do monitor for pollution etc.) >make boats a more interesting DIY to me than a van/RV. It would almost be like living in a personal biosphere. Boats are far more effective DIY vehicles, but generally speaking, it takes a good amount not to run aground/navigate channels/ read the environment/ combat fires or flooding. I would suggest if you are interested go down to a nearby sailing club and ask around to learn. Many sailors love new people who are willing to work hard and learn. And you will find out if you can actually make it on the sea (sailboats are like ultralight aircraft compared to a 747) but yonce you get the theory and maritime skills down, you can translate it over to larger mechanical systems. Also sea sickness is a motherfucker. I am busy, but will pop in from time to time if lains have any questions. Don't forget that you can buy used boats for a low cost. If you just want transportation, you can usually look up "sunfish" boat on your online classified of choice and buy a 1 person sailboat for less than 1000USD to get you started with your skills. Anything with a cabin will cost a bit, but you can buy surplus military/police boats too.

>>3401 The funniest story I have heard was someone bought a barely floating junk boat for pennies on the dollar, then decided to sail it across 300 nautical miles of open ocean because fuarrrk it he could, but the generator broke, so all electricity was provided by a household generator he bought at a hardware store and then wired into his refrigerator, stove, and navigational lights. >internet is the same as in the woods meaning depends on where cutout zones can be a bitch on small boats where the boat rocks in and out of coverage with internet constellations. >Theres a million annoying ropes, it is pure hell to dock when it's windy... no ropes on a boat lain (they are LINES). And fenders do help a lot (unless you are talking sail boats, which I can agree are difficult to dock by yourself). >I assume sea is just a total nightmare. you fall in love with it eventually, the initial fear goes away once you accept how helpless you really are if something goes wrong, because you are on your own and have to provide all means of survival for yourself.

Alright so I got something for y'all to check out. Want to see a real cyberpunk castaway? look no further. https://towndock.net/shippingnews/sean-d-epagnier-and-alexandra

>>3063 Check out "Seasteading". There are a lot of people intrested umin hsing international waters for freedom

This gurl is sailing solo around the Caribbean, and is an old salt to the point of repairing a broken aluminium mast by cutting the torn bit off with a hacksaw and reattaching it. She's all boobs and muscles and social awkwardness and builds all her own soykaf. That's waifu material right there, (sigh). https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnJ3QXRI-whcqJBrW-z_htw

Seastading will be extremely viable if Musk delivers decent internet with Starlink

Anyone have experience living in a sailboat around Europe? Most videos I see are from around the USA and Caribbean.

>>3864 Not sure how that would go down, but can attest to the Caribbean as a good sail-living area due to the latitudes, the area has frequent winds, and especially around the Bahamas there is nothing but shallow water, cost of living is fairly low, and islands are close enough to travel from island to island in a matter of hours or days.

>>3864 Interested too. From what I've gathered (off-handed comments in forums, blogs, reddit, etc.), it seems to be doable, but I have no idea why I don't see many people actually doing it. Also thanks for the books, really cool stuff.

https://ideasourceschool.wordpress.com/the-new-age-of-sail-by-dmitry-orlov/ >1. Introduction A sailboat is not the first thing that comes to mind when contemplating the range of useful responses to the set of intractable global problems that confront us. Nor the second. But once it does, a bit of further study makes it apparent that few things will possess greater long-term utility in the changed circumstances we should all be expecting. And it takes just one more leap of imagination to realize that it makes sense to pursue this long-term utility, rather than continuing to think of temporary measures and half-measures, while being mesmerized into paralysis by the unfolding deterioration of the status quo, in thrall to questions of political strategy and process. And so, let us purge our minds of the inane buzz-words of today, such as “energy security” or “energy independence” and “green” this or that. (“It’s easy to be green!” says Kermit the frog in an SUV commercial; I would beg to differ, but then who am I to disagree with a hand-puppet?) Let us drop the conceit that these are “problems,” and that they can be “fixed.” Let us instead try an experiment: let us dissociate from human history, and free-associate our way into the next chapter of natural history, which, let us bravely assume, a member of our ecologically challenged species will still be on hand to narrate.

>>4530 >with a boat you can go anywhere when the climate goes to hell. >can sail around to find food. >trading with local communities when the shipping industry collapses. pretty reasonable plan. heres a podcast interview with him https://player.fm/series/hermitix/collapse-and-the-technosphere-with-dmitry-orlov

>>4541 Thanks Lain! I have read his five stages of collapse and The New Age of Sail but I haven't listened to that interview. I feel like the decline of fish population might be threat for future fishing even though most sailboats aren't best for that purpose. Fish population has already been cut to half since 1970s, if not more.

>>4542 i would guess that there will always be some fish in the ocean, and somewhere you can drop a line and grab one for dinner. the declining fish population is probably much more of a problem for large trawlers, and could make commercial fishing uneconomical.

>>4544 >i would guess that there will always be some fish in the ocean, and somewhere you can drop a line and grab one for dinner. It's a good thought, but daily meals of fish can also be a long-term path towards mercury poisoning.

>>4547 also a good path to getting shredded!

I used to joke around with a friend about travelling around on a ship and just selling porn to broke people with no internet connection.

>>3063 Bro, you have clearly never been in a storm before.

>Looking at the van/rv thread, I wanted to create a boat thread. In my mind, it's rv freedom with international waters lawlessness Where is the thread for building my own spaceship? It's 2020, they said there would be spaceships. Please help, I need to leave already.

>>4564 Where is my cowboy bebop life?!?

Sorry for the off topics... seriously though look up Mississippi River "boat punks". It's a little subculture of folks who got a little tired of hopping trains, hitch hiking or living in a van and they live in boats every summer. Some build their own from scratch, most at least build their own living quarters on an existing boat. The typical tour is from Minneapolis all the way down to Louisiana but others start their journey further south. Careful though, a friend of mine almost died when a more powerful conventional vessel sped past them (flagrantly violating the rules of the river) and the smaller one capsized. They lost all their stuff and nearly their lives.

https://100r.co/site/off_the_grid.html This is a pretty good in-depth article about living on a boat, including the topic of work that relies on internet. I'd say it's worth a read.

>>4566 So in your opinion, floating a pile of junk on transport waterways is not a violation of "rules of the river"?

>>4564 Load a gun and insert it into your mouth. It's the only way any of us will ever leave earth.

>>4888 Uh... actually no, it isn't. What rules do you think that would violate? Do you believe the state should forbid everything that isn't explicitly legalized, instead of allowing everything that isn't explicitly outlawed? What makes you think somebody has a legitimate right to transport waterways—does every sea and river belong exclusively to business? Your take is so depressingly anti-freedom, a strange plea for domination and control. Giving proper berth while traveling under wake is absolutely a well-known maritime rule in most bodies of water on earth. It's also common sense for anyone who has sailed a river, including for more conventionally-built and seaworthy boats than this.

>>4881 Seems like you really have to love sailing to put up with the reality of living on a boat. With the constant fight to keep your house from disintegrating under the effects of salt and sun, a boat isn't an alternative home, it's a life project. If you're not interested in boat life for the boat, the time and money it requires would quickly create resentment.

>>4894 ...well yeah, you're choosing a vagabond lifestyle. Turns out that can really get tough. But also keep in mind how much upkeep your more civilized, modern, non-nomadic life already requires. I think I could maintain a pretty good boat for the amount of rent and utilities I pay. Seems like this guy in the link provided above goes for a fairly crust-punk existence in general... but I don't think it necessarily has to be that way. Most navy sailors I've known are freaks about cleanliness, organizing squaring away the deck, and keeping the paint flawless. For very good reason.

>>4895 Hm nevermind about that link being about the crusty guy. There's another one in here somewhere that looks like a garbage barge.

Since a boat never truly stops moving, does seasickness happen while docked? What do you use for your legal address?

>>4899 there are usually not as significant waves in a dock.

>>4900 Of course, but people get carsick too, and cars don't shake much.